Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #610 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 610 Tuesday, 7 September 1999 Today's Topics: NEWS: this issue has no posts about the Mexico download/Microsoft NEWS: Robert Fripp Webchat !! NEWS: Fall Concerts at Orion Studios in Baltimore nuages Re: Really a KC song ???? Re: Indonesian Crimson (?) Mixing differences Attention Brazilian ETers!! part 2 re: In my defense More Mellotron users bruford scores/transcriptions Collectors Boxed Set Re; Theremins Ozric Tentacles Re: Nuage Music for 18 Mandrakes Cornelius and McDonald & Giles FZ, VU & KC; Drop In & Bearings; Halls; Join the LIMCLF Re: KC/VU/Zappa influence(Belew) Jamie Muir art and other recordings? Feels Like Zappa to Me Eno Videos??? Singing Drums of Favre, Bruford and Steve Reich Trowerville Botti Interview in JAZZIZ ARGENTINA IAN MC DONALD old songs KC/National Geographic! Followup to 'Showcasing the Stick' RE: ThereminVox Fripp interview Boz Burrell comments The becoming? Fripp and Crimson related criticism Contribute to the 'ENCYCLOPEDIA of Progressive/Experimental Metal'. Get My Bearings Thinking Plague Millenium KC; Politics Forbidden Mellotron again "Live in Japan" seen in a new light Cho Drolma tour in US, Germany ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.5b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:02:36 +0100 From: Toby Howard Subject: NEWS: this issue has no posts about the Mexico download/Microsoft Once again I've decided to split off posts regarding the Mexico download/comments re Microsoft into a separate ET, until the current debate has blown over. The next issue of ET (following this issue ASAP) will comprise the latest posts on the latter subject. Once again I hope this arrangement is in the interest of readers and thanks to several ETers for their private mail to me suggesting this. Cheers to all Toby ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:02:36 +0100 From: jamie tetlow Subject: NEWS: Robert Fripp Webchat !! I'm part of Virgin Records support for all their on-line stuff including webchats. I thought I should bring it to your attention that Mr Fripp will be doing a live webchat on this Wednesday 8th September at 5pm UK time (6pm GMT). lovers of all things Fripp and King Crimson can submit quetions now if they so wish at : http://eden.vmg.co.uk/news the chat itself is uncomplicated and you'll not need any special software. It's a simple frames set up with an 'ask a question' interface at the top and an automatically refreshing live page at the bottom. We'd love it if you could notify fans on your site and maybe even mail your ET subscribers if you were planning to mail out soon. Recent chat's with Marianne Faithfull and Green Gartside (Scritti Pollitti) were very successful as we had many true fans logging on. You can see transcripts of those chats also on the eden news page. I hope you can find the time to help make this a success, regards, Jamie. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:07:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin Subject: NEWS: Fall Concerts at Orion Studios in Baltimore Orion Sound Studios 2903 Whittington Ave Baltimore, Maryland ======================================================================== Friday September 10 1999 8PM: NeBeLNeST & The Dark Aether Project Laser's Edge recording artists NeBeLNeST hail from France where they've developed their own dark instrumental blend of symphonic rock with tinges of Zeuhl and RIO influences. http://nebelnest.nfrance.com/ The Dark Aether Project brings their new lineup to the home crowd with guitarist Steev Geest joining founding member Warr Guitarist/Keyboardist Adam Levin, vocalist Ray Weston and drummer Allen Brunelle for a set of dark psych-tinged rock fusion. http://www.DarkAether.net/ ======================================================================== Saturday Sep 11 1999 8PM: Thinking Plague & The Hosemobile Thinking Plague explores the frontiers where rock, folk, jazz and modern symphonic music meet. http://members.xoom.com/tplague/tp.html The Hosemobile has been compared to early Floyd and the Starless and Bible Black era of King Crimson, as well as bands like Slint, This Heat, Don Cabalero, and Trans Am. http://www.thehosemobile.com/ ======================================================================== Saturday Sep 25-Sunday Sep 26 1999: 3rd Annual Orion SpaceRock Festival Details TBA ======================================================================== Saturday Oct 16 1999 8pm: California Guitar Trio & Richard Leo Johnson The CGT will perform in support of their new CD _Opening Act: Live on Tour with King Crimson_ which highlights their energetic acoustic guitar work. http://www.cgtrio.com/ Richard Leo Johnson latest release on Blue Note records' sister label Metro Blue, highlights this master of the acoustic guitar's phenominal fretboard work. http://members.aol.com/jahbo/ ======================================================================== Saturday Nov 6 1999: TapTech III: Attendees of this weekend seminar for players of stringed tap instruments (Stick/Warr Guitar/etc) led by Europa String Choir's Markus Reuter will perform. See http://www.DarkAether.net/tt/ for more info on the seminar. ======================================================================== Saturday Nov 20 1999 8pm: Europa String Choir The Europa String Choir's music is rich in variation of colour & texture, sometimes simple and lyrical, with a Celtic folk influence, sometimes intricately polyrhythmic and at other times more stridently rock oriented, though often with a touch of Bartok! http://www.dscple.demon.co.uk/ ======================================================================== For directions and other info, see http://www.progrock.net/shows/showcase/ or email alevin at DarkAether dot Net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:16:34 -0400 From: robert speak Subject: nuages I believe Nuages is a French word for clouds. Also Dango Reinhart (pardon my spelling) also has a song with this title. One of Dango's "standards". It has nothing in common with the KC song. What is interesting is that our Robert F. has mentioned that Dango was one of his influences. Dango had only two or three working fingers on his left hand but produced some incredible jazz -flamenco-spanish tunes.One of RF's first guitar teachers was a flamenco style guitarist. Regarding the history of the song , I seem to remember Andrian saying he had a new tech-toy- effect- gismo -thing and was just playing around with sounds he good get from it and "POOF" an instant song. IMHO one of KCs weaker efforts. Also Fripp met Belew for the first time at a Steve Reich show. Belew was hanging with Bowie in those days. If I had life I would not know these things! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:56:03 +0300 From: "Jarmo Muukka" Subject: Re: Really a KC song ???? >From: "Robert Y. Gray" >titled: Nuages (That Which Passes, Passes Like Clouds) with the artist >being King Crimson. I was just curious what this song might be. (Could This is from Three of a Perfect Pair. JMu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:56:56 +0300 From: "Jarmo Muukka" Subject: Re: Indonesian Crimson (?) >From: "Joseph Carona" >and "How do I dance to this music? Close. Very very close. You feel the >music in your pelvis." Further soundbites of a woman's orgasm and sirens >whaling follow. Anyone heard this before? Where can it be found. Lastly, This is from The League of Gentlemen album. This is not released on CD. There is some of the tracks of the League album in God Save the King which is on CD. JMu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:01:02 +0300 From: "Jarmo Muukka" Subject: Mixing differences Has anyboby noticed the big difference with mixing of On Broadway and Live in Mexico City? I do not mean the free concert with lossy compression, but the tracks from CIRKUS. On Broadway sounds better to me. I have an analysis of speakers that Adrian uses. His monitors has lack of sub frequencies. I mean that On Broadway there is a little bit too much of very low freqs. Space Groove was mixed in his studio too, I think. This record (SG) is almost pain to listen because of the too heavy bass. If I listen it "too" loud too much, I feel sick. There is SOOOO much of bass. In the middle range his monitors play a little bit too loud or his monitors are "too colourful". On Broadway sound a little bit soft to me. Space Groove is quite good balanced if you don't count subs. Then to Robert's Mexico City mixing. It is rough all the way. I cannot play it loud. It's loud when I do not play it loud. His monitors (in DGM) are soft (or Robert likes rough sound that hurts ears). There must be too much bass in his monitors because the lack of bass in Mexico. And the stereo view is not good. Live Groove is rough too. This is mixed in DGM too. Personally I like mixing of the Space Groove better than the mixing of the Live Groove. Something about my system. Main speakers are Jamo Concert 8. They are small speakers with good stereo. Frequency range is wide and straight. Finnish Hifi-lehti uses the same speakers to test amplifiers, CD-players and other stuff and the tester notices the differences between same priced expensive power-amplifiers. Subs come from one REL Strata II. Power Amplifier gives 145W to +300W depending on load. Speakers stand far from walls. There is many meters of free space behind the listener. I'm quite satisfied with the sound. JMu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, Aug 25 1999 12:09:41 GMT-0400 From: manoel at mail dot pinkfloyd dot com Subject: Attention Brazilian ETers!! part 2 Hello again!! If you are remembered, I've sent a post (published in ET #607) saying I was starting a discussion group about music, and that I was creating a web page for this purpose... THE WEB PAGE IS DONE!! If you'd like to join this group, go to this address: http://forumusical.homepage.com/Forum.html and see the Topic of the Month. Suggestions are welcome: send them to my e-mail address, as well as your opinions - manoel at pinkfloyd dot com UNHAPPILY, the page is in Portuguese, as it's directed to a Brazilian public, but I'll be adding an English version soon, as I think there are lots of non-Portuguese-speakers interested in joining the group. Stay tuned! Manoel Maria Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:57:27 -0000 From: "Jim McLaughlin" Subject: re: In my defense In ET #608 wrote: pellegrini dot 1 at osu dot edu (Catherine Pellegrini) >Subject: In my defense > > to Jim Mcglaughlin. > > #1. I was not quoting Robert Fripp when I said you have to > live up to expectations of fans. I did not mistake your opinion for a quote. I just found it humorous, actually more than humorous, when Fripp's own opinions in this regard are perectly clear and on-line for all to read. For clarification to all who wish to understand, please point your browser to ET archive #128: http://stok.jthome.com/etarchive/archive/retrieve.cgi?request=get+is sue&issue=128 Go about 3/4 through and read a disgruntled fan's expectations and Fripp's reply. You will then see why your opinion strikes humor. But you are completely entitled to have your opinion. Opinions need not be "defended." They just are sometimes funny. Keep them coming. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:13:12 +0100 From: "D. Chinn" Subject: More Mellotron users To add briefly to the ever-expanding Mellotron users list: CARDIACS - This fantastic British "pronk" band have been known to use the Mellotron, most notably on the album "A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window" (using a 'Tron borrowed from Martin Orford of IQ), but Mellotrons have popped up on other albums (I think there's one on "Fairy Mary mag" on the "Sing To God" album). More info at http://www.cardiacs.com . SPRATLEYS JAPS - This band is a Cardiacs spin-off (folkier, more lo-fi experimental) which came together when Cardiacs leader Tim Smith borrowed a 'Tron that was in the process of breaking down, loved the sound and put a band together around it. The weird, shivering sounds of said instrument are all over their debut album "Pony". More info at http://www.anyware.co.uk/japs . NO-MAN - There are Mellotrons on the "Wild Opera" album, most notably on "Sinister Jazz": very Crimsonic. More info at http://www.collective.co.uk/noman . Actually, there seems to be something of a renaissance in Mellotron sounds in contemporary British pop. Can't name any names in particular at this moment in time, but have a listen to your radio... Mind you, it'd take a better ear than mine to tell the difference between a sample of a Mellotron and a real one simply recorded without much dynamics. regards, Dann Chinn dchinn at btinternet dot com http://www.collective.co.uk/misfitcity ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 06:41:44 +0000 From: Charles Biel Subject: bruford scores/transcriptions I am searching for scores (transcriptions) for any tunes from Bruford s One Of A Kind album. Not just the drum parts but the full score or lead sheet. Or any ensemble scores for any Crimson. No tab needed. Notation only Possibly an impossible request...but what the hey..I might get lucky. All help appreciated...will pay ! Chuck Biel 624 Randolph Street Charleston W.V. 25302 (304) 343-8687 E-Mail cbiel at access dot mountain dot net Home Page http://access.mountain.net/~cbiel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:30:56 -0400 From: Ted White Subject: Collectors Boxed Set Lothar asks, "What is "DGM Collectors King Crimson V.1" for $90,99 by CDNOW ?" And appends a track list which makes it clear this is the Pony Canyon boxed set of the first three Collector's Club releases. The price -- $91 -- is absurd. Tower (no discounter) has it for at least $20 less (I didn't look closely, since I had no intention of buying it). And had you joined the Club back when it started you could have had these three discs for a mere $48 -- or a bit over half CDNow's asking price. All three CDs are live recordings. If you haven't heard them before, the first CD is from July 5th, 1969, with a bonus track ("Trees") from October of that year. Audience recordings on mono cassette decks, just barely listenable. If you can get past the sound quality, the music is stunning. And "Trees" includes a short bit of "Birdman," which Crimson was rehearsing for the second album, but which ultimately appeared on McDonald & Giles's album. The second CD is by the Islands band and slightly overlaps EARTHBOUND. Includes a never-before-heard-live-recording of "Cirkus" from LIZARD. The sound is from the board, as recorded on stereo audio casettes. The third CD is the first public performance -- in a German TV studio -- of the Larks Tongues band, with Jamie Muir. The sound is broadcast quality, but the CD is short and includes the setup and a chunk of dead air. This performance precedes the recording of the LARKS TONGUES IN ASPIC album by nearly half a year. The boxed set comes with two booklets, one in Japanese. The other appears to duplicate the individual booklets which came with the Club releases. It appears likely that future Pony Canyon boxed sets will include later Club releases. --TW (Dr P)/dc-et #6 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:31:27 -0400 From: Ted White Subject: Re; Theremins Erwin Bush responds to ET #607, in which David Voci said: ">There's another current band that uses alot of 70's material to shape their >sound called Monstermagnet that uses something called a 'Theremin' to get >strange electronic sounds... "The Theremin is an "ancient" electronic instrument, invented by Leon Theremin in the 1920's (I have a 1927 issue of "Science and Invention" magazine whose cover article is about Leon Theremin and his invention.) It has two electrodes, one vertical, one horizontal, and is played by moving your hands *near* the electrodes to control volume and pitch; the musician never touches the instrument. "It was used quite a lot in the 1950's in "B" Science Fiction and mystery films (and some good ones too, like Forbidden Planet.) Its sound is often characterized as the "woo woo" sound." Most of this is true. But FORBIDDEN PLANET did not use Theremins. The Barrons, a husband and wife team, fully synthesized all the music electronically -- including the "Krell music." A friend of mine recorded the entire soundtrack from the projection booth of a theater (onto reel-to-reel tape) he was then working in, and it was one of my prized tapes of the fifties at a time when very little electronic music was available on record. I believe the methods used to synthesize that soundtrack were written up in HIGH FIDELITY magazine at the time -- I know I read them somewhere. Locally, long-time synth wizard Rupert Chapelle has been using Theremins in his performances and I recently saw him at the Iota, a local club, playing with two other Theremin players, one of whom got a really good bass sound out of his. --TW (Dr P) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:56:04 -0400 From: leslabb at ptd dot net Subject: Ozric Tentacles In ET 608 Don Said >From: Don Lawrence > >I enjoyed the Ozric Tentacles disc "waterfall". Thanks to those >individuals who suggested it. >They definitely have a sound that seems influenced by Fripp/Crimson. I >couldn't help but >hear the similarity to some Brand X from the 70's! >I have read elephant talk for years. It is always good to find new >artists recommended by >other Fripp/Crimson enthusiasts! >Thanks >Don I recently had the opportunity to see two Ozric shows, one at the TLA(Philly, PA 07/08/1999) and one at the Recher Theater(Towson, MD 07/15/1999). Both shows were amazing, with enough twists and changes in the set list to make it worth seeing both shows. I agree that their are some similarities between Ozric/KC, but I can't help noticing the GONG/Steve Hillage influences as well. Listen to some of their older material (Afterswish, Arboresence, Pungent Effulgence) and you'll see what I mean. Les B. Labbauf http://home.ptd.net/~leslabb Beauty is the reflection of the appearance of truth. Better to seek truth than the reflection of its appearance. But better to seek beauty than nothing. Author Unkown. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:54:02 -0500 From: Craig Shropshire Subject: Re: Nuage Music for 18 Mandrakes As for the Terry Riley CD REs Yes, many *are* available. The ones to get are the early ones.................... Rainbow in Curved Air (of course) In C (if you`re *really* in a minimalist mood......BTW, Jon Hassell is on this...) Persian Surgery Dervishes Descending Moonshine Dervishes No Man`s Land (soundtrack) Songs for the Ten Voices of the Two Prophets (great prophet synth labyrinth) Shri Camel &..... NEW RELEASE: Terry Riley-Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band All Night Flight &...if you can find it,....the amazing collaboration w/ John Cale called.... Church of Anthrax" (for a more "rock" approach) Not sure if this ever saw a CD RE, though. The one *I`m* looking for is called "Happy Ending" (little help?) ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ They have nothing to do w/ Krimson, but........... YES! I *so* agree......... Mandrake Memorial-Puzzle is a (not-so) minor, masterpiece of U.S. psych. It is very exploratory. Their producer at the time (being classically trained AND adventurous) contributed the unusual orchestral passages. Their vocalist had an odd style, which takes a bit of getting used to, but beyond that, it is all truly remarkable & a must have for *any* descriminating psych collector. The 1st (S/T) is nice but more in a pop vein (still *good* psych, though). The 2nd (Medium), w/ the atrocious hamburger cover, is also excellent. It has three amazing pieces which feature some superb guitar. An over-looked GEM of a band. (...back to regularly enthused KC programming) -Craig ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:07:17 PDT From: "Bill Colrus" Subject: Cornelius and McDonald & Giles Hello all! First, thank you for your responses concerning my previous post selling some Kc-related cassettes... Second, I recently saw a band named CORNELIUS play (anybody heard of them? PLEASE respond...) as part of the Flaming Lips, Sebadoh, Robyn Hitchcock tour...CORNELIUS, an all-Japanese band, stole the show...Their lead singer/guitarist was also very influenced by King Crimson...In addition to complicated interlocking guitar lines, he was doing a very convincing Adrian Belew impression...All in attendance were blown away...I would classify the music as a cross between Beck/King Crimson/Lynyrd Skynyrd...an odd combination, yes, but interesting nonetheless...they also use a theremin on stage...pick up their album FANTASMA if it sounds like something you might like... Also, I am willing to pay $35-$$0 for a near mint/mint copy of the McDonald Giles album on vinyl...Please reply via e-mail... Thank you- Bill Colrus "You should never smoke in pajamas, you could start a fire and burn your face"- FZ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:08:52 EDT From: Biffyshrew at aol dot com Subject: FZ, VU & KC; Drop In & Bearings; Halls; Join the LIMCLF Dan B. wrote: >Frank Zappa has no relation to the Velvet Underground other than >sharing the bill a few times with the Velvet Underground in N.Y.C; >and Zappa's put-down of Lou Reed's limited guitar abilities and the >VU's basic, predominantly simply-rhythmic, non-accented, three-chord >music. Zappa liked "All Tomorrow's Parties" from the first VU album, and played the record when he guest-hosted a radio show on England's Radio One. As for the Crimso connection: "Waiting Man" and "Waiting For The Man"--mere coincidence??? ;-) >By the late sixties, Zappa basically had 'musical blinders' >on and his influences are greatly less apparent, as was his notice >of what was going on in the 'Rock' world around him. A KC influence >on Frank Zappa was nil. When asked in an interview in the mid-70's >referencing various known guitarists, Zappa replied he wasn't familiar >with Robert Fripp's work. I'm glad to see someone getting this right for a change! What Zappa actually said was "I've never heard a Robert Fripp record," but it is usually misquoted as "I've never heard of Robert Fripp." Incidentally, in a 1973 interview, Zappa stated that he liked Yes. >Zappa was much more influenced by rhythm in his compositions >(he started on the drums), than Fripp was (is). [...] Fripp is much >less influenced by rhythm in his pieces--of course it is an important >element--though of much less importance than it was to Zappa. I don't think this is true of the '80s Crimso, although that band's approach to rhythm was certainly very *different* from Zappa's. >the blues was one of the styles of >music Fripp was uncomfortable with and couldn't play properly. He did a pretty fair job on Peter Gabriels' "Waiting For The Big One." He reportedly had to be plied with alcohol first, though... >Zappa could play the blues with his toes. Stinkfoot!!! Vladimir Kalnitsky wrote: >I am interested also in the lyrics of "Drop In" (who is the poet?) and >Donovan's "Get Thy Bearings". Who is the owner of the rights and who >have published them? Robert Fripp wrote the lyrics to "Drop In"--he told me so himself! A note about "(Get Thy) Bearings": the original last line of each verse (as printed in the _Hurdy Gurdy Man_ songbook published by Peer International in 1968) is "The world knows fine well." This is difficult to understand on the record, because Donovan sings it in such a soft voice. Greg Lake evidently couldn't make it out, because he substituted that embarassing "Let's all get stoned--higher and higher" stuff in Crimso's version. CTracy wrote: >In regards to the post from Biffy the elephant shrew's posting regarding >"Daryl Halls" album Sacred Songs. It's not Daryl Hall, but John Hall from >the band Orleans. It seems my stock has fallen around these parts--first I'm accused by an obvious newbie of being Eb (on the basis of a single 10-word sentence that merely corrected a factual error in a previous post; as if Eb could have gotten through 10 words without insulting the previous poster, the ET readership, or humanity in general), and now this. I hope the many other posts on the subject will have persuaded CT that the _Sacred Songs_/_Exposure_ singer is indeed Daryl, not John Hall. Your pal, Biffy the Elephant Shrew Join the _Live In Mexico City_ Liberation Front: CD s, MS no! ------------------------------ Date: 26 Aug 99 14:13:22 EDT From: James Dusewicz Subject: Re: KC/VU/Zappa influence(Belew) While I really enjoyed Dan B.'s dissertation on the obvious differences between the above people, lest we should forget that FZ discovered Adrian Belew playing in an indistingusable bar in Washington DC, asked him to fly out for a band audition, auditioned him, and put him in his band(circa 1979). What is inherently missing in his tome, is the fact that John Cale brought a range of classical avant garde sensibilities to the VU that perfectly complimented Lou Reed's gutter prosaic lyric writing style. And what is also notably absent, is the fact that Moe Tucker didn't play always in 4/4. While Zappa was steeped in blues, his classical sensibilities show up in cuts such as "The Uncle Meat Variations", "A Pound For Brown(On The Bus)"(aka "The Golden Arches"), "The Black Page", and "Brown Shoes Don't Make It" to name a few. I could go on. So both Zappa and The Velvet Underground had classical sensibilities woven into the fabrics of their music. The Early VU was involved in discovering how far they could push distortion and lyrical gutter prose. When John Cale left, he carried on his sense of humor, classical bent, and dirty ass rock 'n' roll to loftier heights(as well as arranging and producing most of Nico's solo albums). jim campaigner at usa dot net James Dusewicz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:51:30 -0500 From: Rita Riley Subject: Jamie Muir art and other recordings? Hello all Crims- This is my first posting to ET and I have a question for anyone out there that may know. My apologies if this topic has been covered in the past, but I did check the FAQ's and found nothing on the subject. I was very pleased to see that DGM finally has released some live material with Jamie Muir on it. However, I am very interested to know if there are any recordings out there of Jamie Muir with other artists? Does anyone know and if so where can I find them? For years I wondered what became of him until I read the FAQ section recently and read that now he devotes his energies to painting. Has anyone ever seen any of his art and is there somewhere I can see some of it? I am a percussionist and composer who has been following KC for almost 20 years and am still amazed by Bruford and Muir's brilliant work on 'Larks Tongues'. Thanks to anyone out there with info and my kudos to everyone that makes this website what I believe to be the best devoted to any band. Signed- Steve Riley ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:00:29 -0600 From: "Mary Rogers" Subject: Feels Like Zappa to Me Howdy, Has anyone else noticed how much the title track of Bill Bruford's "Feels Good to Me" sounds like Frank Zappa? I'm not saying that Bruf was influenced by Zappa, but play "Feels Good to Me" and then put on Zappa's "Peaches en Regalia" from "Hot Rats" and you'll see what I mean. Adios, Bill JaKcobson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:16:51 GMT From: "Rafael Maria Di Liumbard" Subject: Eno Videos??? Sorry for Non ET posting... But does anyone know where one might be able to buy some Eno videos, especially Apollo... And Thursday Afternoon? Send any mail to Monke at mail dot com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:20:31 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Pinke Subject: Singing Drums of Favre, Bruford and Steve Reich 1) I like Favre's "Prism." I am very curious to find out more. ecmrecords.com/ecm/recordings/1274.html gave me not much more info about it than I had before. Would some ET'er with "eclectic" listening habits perhaps provide us with a review of Prism's source: Pierre Favre Ensemble's Singing Drums? Is it rewarding / intriguing listening for non-drummers? 2) Both Steve Reich and Bill Bruford were/are obviously intrigued by complex, intricate polyrhythms. Reich studied rhythm in Africa for a while (see the notes to his "Drumming") and Bill also uses those types of patterns/rhythms as a source of inspiration/ideas. I find it no stretch of the imagination that there would be similarities now and again, but sincerely doubt that either one influenced or has even heard the other. That Fripp is familiar with Reich is another matter altogether (though claiming he likes it would be a guess). Brian ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 99 12:51:57 -0700 From: "David Voci" Subject: Trowerville Hello Friends, How is everybody doing? I happen to like lead/solo type guitar players in addition to the mountain(Leslie West anyone?)of other styles that make up my collection. In this regard, very much into Robin Trower. Awhile back was pleased to be able to buy his first two lp's on 1CD from Beat Goes On label in England. What is curious about this release is the fact, probably already discussed in a previous ET, that Robert Fripp wrote the liner notes...RF goes on to highly compliment Trower's style of bending/wobbling notes and further states that if it weren't for Robin Trower and his inspiration/lessons, that RF would have had a real downer of a period in his life(these notes were written in 95 or 96 so I'm thinking this period of depression was due to RF's mom passing on). I just think it's interesting that RF wrote such notes of praise but considering the person, the praise was/is very rightly deserved as Trower is brilliant and not really all that much of a Hendrix copycat as he was tagged in the 70's. Would like to thank reader who responded relative to Theremin and mentioned some thing about Moog and his website...I think our dear friend Robert Moog has passed on to the next world, RIP. There was/is an eight volume series currently out called 'Dark Side Of The Moog' by Klaus Schulze and Pete Namlook which tributes Bob Moog and also pays homage to Pink Floyd as this is an obvious play on their LP title. Bob Moog actually mentions his web address(bigbriar.com)on the intro to one of the songs on this series as he was still alive during the mid nineties when some of the volumes were recorded. I bought a CD recently called 'Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Co.' on Cuneiform and this CD is an early 70's electronic affair which was done in upstate NY, close by Bob Moog's electronics factory, using many of Bob's machines for this recording. This genius did alot for electronic music on the whole and some people even allege that BM actually worked for our government(military) in the 50's, using these machines for some sort of mind control experiments. Curious about what instrument it is that sounds like electric piano on Thrakattak and maybe on Space Groove...there are no keys credited on either I believe. In regards to C. Pellegrini post in 608, I agree with her assessment of personal taste...72-74 was indeed a fine period for jam intensive/wall of sound Crimson material even though I believe she liked this era for other, equally valid reasons. I agree with her entry where she cited that certain comments were a bit harsh...She has a good point here as we all do, and will, forever have different opinions about common subjects. Enjoy, dv ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:35:59 -0400 (EDT) From: dschippe at ford dot com (David Schipper (R)) Subject: Botti Interview in JAZZIZ I was letting my eyes wonder through the latest issue of JAZIZ. They have an interesting interview with Chris Botti in it. Thought I'd share the part in the middle which is KC related with the rest of you... .... Off to the far-left side of Botti's musical life, there is Upper Extremities, an experimental fusion quartet led by King Crimson's Bill Bruford and Tony Levin, and also with sound-surfing guitarist David Torn. "He's elegant, effortless, and economical," Bruford says, "and he's got a tone from heaven." Needless to say, Upper Extremities, which has toured and has an album out on Papa Bear Records, is, according to Botti, "very different from my own music, more avant-garde -- sort of like King Crimson meets _Bitches Brew_. We've done three tours now, and they make a point of doing one song a set that is completely improvised. I'm talking about no key center, no tempo, nothing. You walk out on stage, someone starts playing, and you go. Sometimes it's a little dodgy. Sometimes it's just brilliant." ... The (quite long) artical was written by Josef Woodard and can be found in (complete) in the September, 1999 issue of JAZZIZ magazine. They have a web site at: www.jazziz.com, but I really don't know if they have back issue available on line, since I've haven't been there. Dave S. ... NP: Cheap Trick - Sex, America, and Cheap Trick - Waiting For The Man/Heroin ........................................................................... People say I'm strange, does it make me a stranger That my best friend was born in a manger? T. McKeehan / M. Heimermann ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:37:14 GMT From: "Victoria Crimson" Subject: ARGENTINA hi. i'm from argentina and would like to know if KC or any member or former member is going to come at any time. thanks. v ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:51:28 -0500 From: User6 Subject: IAN MC DONALD Hello! I would like know more about Ian Mc Donald last cd. Do you kow something? Please write me. THANK YOU priofrio at hotmail dot com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:18:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Paolini Subject: old songs Greetings friends, I am a new reader of their newsletter, but fan of Crimson for 25 years more or less. I write for the first time given the polemic about because KC doesn't play its old songs and I don't refer to those of the eighties, it could be very interesting to listen AdriBn singing Epitaph or Starless or Exiles. A month ago I listened a CD of Yes called Keys to Ascencion where it is spoken of Classic Yes concert, could it be possible, now that KC turned 30 years to think of a concert Classic King Crimson, where with the new technology we could listen the old topics?. It is enough with thrak, thrak thrak, bboom, vrooom vrooom and other onomatopoeias, we also like to hear Epitaph, In the Wake of Poseidon, Cirkus, Exiles, Islands, etc. What do you think? Cordial greetings, Sorry for my english. Luis Paolini lspaolini at yahoo dot com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:07:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Reny Ninan Subject: KC/National Geographic! Hello! The September issue of National Geographic has an article about Jupiter titled: "In the Court of King Jupiter". Evidence that the influence of King Crimson is far greater than one would think. I can see this evidence only increasing in the future. Regards, Reny Ninan (GC IV, June '86) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:04:26 -0400 From: "Dennis M. Parrott" Subject: Followup to 'Showcasing the Stick' As promised, here is the summary of the replies I received to my question about showcasing TLevin's playing of the Chapman Stick. Dave Lumenta recommended: > > INDISCIPLINE > If you listen to all versions, it's Tony's stick strings that hold the odd > rhythmic chords (tapped w/ his right hand), while the bass notes are > tapped by his left hand. > > SATORI IN TANGIER > It's again Tony taking charge of the rhythm and the bass simultaneously > on the stick. The intro was played using a volume knob (or pedal, I don't > know). It's Tony alone playing before the drums come grooving in. > > WAITING MAN > On the studio version, it's Tony's stick opening up the rhythmic patterns > before Bruford joines in with his tuned Simmons pads. It's also Tony's > stick changing the rhythmic groove after Adrian's "and so I wait and I > waaaaiiit". As usually, the bass lines are done simultaneously woth his > left fingers. Ian White brought to my attention another of TLs projects, the band Liquid Tension Experiment, specifically LTE2. (I bought LTE1 on a lark because TL was associated with it - now I have a reason to go find the second!) Ian also recommended Trey Gunn's first solo album. (which neither he nor I can recall the title of..... hmmm... where's TG's website?) John Ott passed along: > > During the live shows in 94-95. Trey and Tony did a Stick duet > and from that went straight into Elephant Talk. I believe that > is captured on the Live on Broadway Club Release. > (don't have it with me to be sure) John also recommended the _3 of a Perfect Pair_ video to watch TL playing the Stick. Jonathan Casey added to the fray:: > > If you have "Bruford Levin Upper > Extremities" or are thinking of purchasing it, there's a surfeit of > definitive Sticking all over that album, for starters. Oddly enough, BLUE is on my "acquisition list"... Jonathan also recommended _Neurotica_. Josh Emery had the following to add: > > He plays stick on Elephant talk, Indiscipline, > Waiting Man - I can't remember what else. Probably what your friend > should really get is the Live in Japan Video as then he would be able to > see what Tony is playing. Aside from that I'd go with an 80s cd > probably Discipline. In the double trio Tony plays more bass. > and: > > Tony also plays stick a fair amount on Peter > Gabriel - the one with I Don't Remember on it (he plays stick on that > song). Your friend may also want to check out either of Tony's solo cds > as they give track by track credits and showcase the stick more IMHO. Justin Weinberg offered up another dose of Trey Gunn: > > To my knowledge, some of the best touchstyle (stick-like) playing is found > on Trey Gunn's _The Third Star_. He plays a Chapman stick only on two > tracks. > ...and the other night while putting together my KCCC renewal, I almost bought this one. (somehow I think that I should trust my instincts more!) So there we have it, all opinions accounted for. My thanks to one and all as my friend's Stick work lurches forward... --------------- Dennis M. Parrott web developer-at-large dparrott at mich dot com http://www.mich.com/~dparrott/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:08:47 +0400 From: "Maxim V. Volgin" Subject: RE: ThereminVox If anybody is interested in Theremin (ThereminVox), including purchasing info, maybe I could help, 'cause I have connection with Moscow Theremin Center. As you know, mr.Theremin was russian scientist... ==================================== Maxim V. Volgin, software developer, max_v at bigfoot dot com, maxv at guitar dot ru ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:21:06 +0000 From: "J.Hage" Subject: Fripp interview Hello all, in February I did an interview with Robert Fripp and the interview can now be read on my homepage: surf to http://www.wi.leidenuniv.nl/~jhage/progrock.html and take it from there. There are also some KC/DGM reviews on that page so take a look. bye, Jurriaan -- jhage at liacs dot nl -+- http://www.wi.leidenuniv.nl/~jhage/progrock.html Intuitie voor Koenig's Lemma: Als het niet uit de breedte kan, dan maar uit de lengte. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:32:28 -0400 From: Gary Weimer Subject: Boz Burrell comments I just saw the VH1 special on Bad Company. They profiled all of the band members, and (naturally) mention that Boz started with King Crimson (even including a fast snippet of the band). He makes a couple of comments that seem to indicate that KC wasn't what he liked to play. He alludes to KC being this very spacy band that lacked any real fun. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:50:07 +0200 From: izyrp at odn dot de Subject: The becoming? Have anybody here heard of Robert Fripp's book "The becoming"? (On DGM's Guestbook nobody cares.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:24:57 -0400 From: "merella" Subject: Fripp and Crimson related criticism Greetings, I am a new subscriber so I hope I'm following the correct protocol. I first encountered Crimson over twenty years ago after being captivated by the cover of "In The Court" (which gleefully shocked my parents) and as a budding musician the music sparked a passion that resulted in my status (or lack there of) as a professional musician. Though I'd lost interest in Crimson after the eighties band ceased to exist, I recently began picking up titles on CD. This has resulted into a full blown obsession! I'm writing to request information on available literature regarding Fripp and Crimson, specifically Eric Tamm's Robert Fripp: From King Crimson To Guitar Craft. I've tried the usual internet sources and have found the title to be out of print. I find this a shame, for as a writer on rock related music Tamm seems to be of that rare breed that actually knows something about MUSIC! His entry in the "Frame By Frame" booklet gives a concise overview of the modus operandi of the eighties Crimson. The frustrating thing is this seems like a mere preface to an insightful criticism. (Incidently, Fripp mentions his favorite rock journalists in the back of this booklet). Though I did come across some commentary by Robert Palmer, (on Fripp's list) his perspective seemed oriented more toward Crimson's social effects (certainly valid) rather than actual music making. Hopefully one of you Crimheads has info on Tamm's book, if not on it's availability perhaps an overview or general commentary. Also any other information on Crimson related books/articles would be greatly apprecited (I'm specifically interested in Crimson's use of improvisation, being one of the few if not the best improvising rock bands). Perhaps a new catagory on the web site could be a reference to books and articles regarding Crimson and related bands. Glad to be on board, Mark Merella ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:39:01 GMT From: "michael m." Subject: Contribute to the 'ENCYCLOPEDIA of Progressive/Experimental Metal'. Hi to all. I'd like to say that 'Epigram for the last straw'(www.progmetal.net) has been updated with features as a Trade Board, a Discussion Forum, Progmetal News page, Tabs section, etc.(the Musicians Forum has been updated too) We'd also like to announce the **Epigram Encyclopedia of Experimental and Progressive Metal**, a rather "long" project. Our aim is to become an ever-growing database, in other words, a future reference to *every* band of Exp/Prog Metal. Visit 'Epigram' at www.progmetal.net -All the best Michael M. ps1.nobody has to be an expert or to own every album of band in order to contribute to the encyclopedia. Even the slightest info can be proved important. ps2. In order for someone to send info, there's a easy-to-use 'Form' on the site ps3. Of course whoever contributes gets credit on the Encyclopedia ------------------------------ Date: 01 Sep 99 09:52:56 -0700 From: "David Voci" Subject: Get My Bearings Dear Crimsonites, A little notice as I am listening now to Epitaph at my desk...Get Thy Bearings specifically....A couple issue ago I mis-stated the 18 minute song that appears on Epitaph CD4...I said Drop In but it is actually Get Thy Bearings that clocks in at this time... I am curious about how the 29 minute version of The Talking Drum sounds...What Live KC disc is this on? Was it Frame By Frame? Enjoy Everything, dv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 10:08:34 -0600 From: Larry Peterson Subject: Thinking Plague Greetings! I was just blown away by the band Thinking Plague last night. They opened their September tour last night in Denver. Their music is dark, complex and played with the fire of some Fripp-led band we've been known to listen to now and then. The rest of their tour info is available at: http://cuneiformrecords.com/ Their latest recording, "In Extremis" is also available at CD stores (and on the web) - check them out. - Larry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 02:11:45 -0400 From: "RayRaupersJr." Subject: Millenium KC; Politics Forbidden So what! The prophets wrote on the wall and Raymond J. Raupers Jr. is readily unpopular while the liberal agenda and anti microsoft nonsense permeates ET. Nothing could be sadder than the fact that King Crimson lacks lyrical content simply because hunger and involuntary stimulus remains under guard and attack. KC was christened into the political agenda, ITCOTCK. Today, do we have no vision?.. and suffered no sin? Where is our expression? Opportunity should not be wasted on the whims of ...earnest young men with nothing better to do. God Bless Rockabilly, Sincerely, Raymond J. Raupers Jr. Untamed souls and the hands of Christ, old rebels walk softly. Sometimes a Christ is all there is... trust nothing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 06:05:08 -0500 From: "SYNCHRO, RONALD VOGEL" Subject: Mellotron again Hi all. In 1972 the Moody Blues bought a "Chamberlain" which was an enhanced mellotron and had some of the tunning problems already fixed. It was used in their "Seventh Sojourn" album. David Bowie also mentioned using it in "Low". I was wondering. KC was out so of money in 73/74 that they could not afford buying one? Or they simply decided that the mellotrons they had were actually more than enough for the role they played? Cheers . Ronald Vogel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 07:17:48 PDT From: "Peter Drubetskoy" Subject: "Live in Japan" seen in a new light Good day kiddies, As I was riding to work this morning, just about the point where I pass the Crimson King (see photo on the "sightings" page), a thought struck me: Could the "Live in Japan" video be the inspiration for a current low-budget hit movie? Think about the complaints about it: Poor quality video, shakey camera work, bad focusing, etc. Could there be any truth to the rumour (just started by me now), that it was originally titled "The Which is Belew ProjeKct?" Oooooh, scary!!!! Jim Bailey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 21:36:59 -0400 From: adrienne esztergar Subject: Cho Drolma tour in US, Germany Hi Folks, Microsoft blather blather, blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda. Yeah, and I own a Mac too, whatever about Mexico City. This message, instead, is a public music announcement. Well, we _just_ missed them here in Boston, but Choying Drolma and nuns from Nagi Gompa with Steve Tibbetts and Marc Anderson are blowing through the US and Germany between now and October, with dates in Switzerland forthcoming. Tour info is at http://www.stevetibbetts.com/tour.htm. See them live, be transported. Also, thanks maybe in part to our fruitless web search recently, and notably with Suzi Katz's help, Marc Anderson's "Timefish" is available again for ordering, on-line, at http://www.marcanderson.com/. "Timefish" is a super duper percussive onslaught, reviewed eons ago on ET (all two fans wrote me, so we guess that makes three). Don't forget to check out Suzi Katz's two releases, which are among my favorite CDs in my collection, read about and hear tracks at http://www.suzikatz.com/. - Brian & Adrienne PS: did we mention Marc Anderson plays on the Sylvian Fripp CD "The First Day"? -- ******* Adrienne L. Esztergar ********* Esztergar & Associates esztergar at mediaone dot net * Tech writing: the *new* fiction genre * ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #610 ********************************