Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #609 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 609 Wednesday, 25 August 1999 Today's Topics: NEWS: this issues is all about the Mxico download/Microsoft Microsoft RE: MS/DGM deal DGM Mexico City Download Re: NEWS: Live in Mexico City available for download from DGM new URL for d/l Mexico City DGM Live - Some comments re: Snore - Playing the Monster Hits... With a little help from my friends re: Mexico City download - you just can't please everyone all of the time Live In Mexico City Problems. FREE NOISE! freee DGM d/l Play KC Live in Mexico on a normal CD-player? BootlegTV.com The Crimson in Mexico.WMA Mexico City Download burning cds gives you so much less mexico city Mexico Mexico City Download. Help! mexico city THE UNDISPENSABLE KING CRIMSON LIVE! THE UNDISPENSABLE KING CRIMSON LIVE! King Crimson in Mexico-on CD-R Cover for "Live In Mexico City" CD-R swedish ET readers/live in mexico KC live in Mexico NOT Much confusion & disillusion MexCity Report and a Question ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.5b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Wed, 25 August, 1999, 02:16:00 From: Toby Howard (ET Moderator) Subject: NEWS: this issue is all about the Mexico download/Microsoft Hi everybody. Following hot on the heels of ET#608, this edition of ET is 100% devoted to your posts on the Mexico download and/or your comments on Microsoft, and related issues. I realise this split of posts won't be to everyone's taste but I thought it worth a try. If everyone could please take a moment to tag their subject lines suitably to help me filter subsequent posts I'd be very grateful. Cheers and best wishes to all Your venal ET CEO Toby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:13:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Art Cohen Subject: Microsoft David wrote: : Microsoft, unlike their competitors, were willing to put time and energy : into helping launch this project. That's because Microsoft is trying to replace the existing standard with one owned by Microsoft. If DGM had chosen to post the material in mp3 format, I can't image how much third party involvement would have been needed. Of course I understand the copyright considerations in doing so, and can understand DGM's (presumed) reluctance to do so, but Microsoft's "generosity" in helping out shouldn't be viewed as purely philanthropic. Their objectives, as always, are to remove any competing product or technology that they don't own. : They also have developed a technology : that we will enable us to offer fans a whole range of music that would : otherwise rot away in the archives. A bit of hyperbole; there are numerous other technologies that could prevent this music from "rotting away" (e.g. audio CDs :). : Our relationship with Microsoft is : entirely non contractual , and beneficial to all those involved, : including the fans. Except of course for those fans that don't run Microsoft Windows, or those who do run Windows but whose attempts to listen to the file in question are met only with a cryptic web server error message from license.keyconnect.com. --Art * -------------------------------------------------------------------------- National Ska & Reggae Calendar http://www.agitators.com/calendar/ * -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:10:37 -0700 From: Mitch Goldman Subject: RE: MS/DGM deal > Microsoft, unlike their competitors, were willing to put time > and energy > into helping launch this project. They also have developed a > technology > that we will enable us to offer fans a whole range of music that would > otherwise rot away in the archives. Our relationship with Microsoft is > entirely non contractual , and beneficial to all those > involved, including > the fans. And hey, fwiw, there *are* a lot of nice people who work here, some of us Crimson freaks. ;-) MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:37:25 -0500 From: Bob Ramstad Subject: DGM Mexico City Download i'm probably the fourth or tenth or sixteenth person to say this but... why am I not surprised that i was able to download and install the Microsoft Windows Media Player (5+ MB) in about 2 minutes but i'm unable to download the *music* at any reasonable rate? grrrr... four tries and i'm giving up for now... -- Bob ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 1999 16:56:00 -0500 From: "Boehme, Gabriel" Subject: Re: NEWS: Live in Mexico City available for download from DGM Prepare for the wave of anti-Microsoft knee-jerk reactions... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:45:59 -0400 From: "Brian Berry" Subject: new URL for d/l Mexico City Hey, folks - Looks like they moved it to a more capable server. try using: http://streaming.keyconnect.com/18/KingCrimsonLiveInMexicoCity.wma in your download managers if you are having trouble. Cheers, Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:56:38 EDT From: DanKirkd at aol dot com Subject: DGM Live - Some comments I just want to make a few points about the Windows Media Player, and DGM Live launch. The August 17th launch by Microsoft was mainly directed to the music industry, not the general consumer. The publicity was therefore muted, and certainly lacked the great hoopla a more consumer oriented launch would have had. DGM had an opportunity to be part of this launch, and original plans for a November launch were set aside in order to be able to take advantage of a lot of good will and generosity on the part of Microsoft. Let me put some perspective to what I'm saying. I'm a Java developer. I'm certainly not happy with a lot of developments concerning the programming language I base my career around. But one has to learn to look at a situation reasonably and not form blinding biases. Working with five different companies over about 10 days, we whipped up the promo site and enabled the content that (some) of you are enjoying now. Yes, some of you cannot access or playback the audio. This does not reflect DGM's long term desires. We will look at whatever ways we can to address all the concerns everyone is bringing up. I just wish some of you would give DGM the benefit of the doubt that it will continue to improve on everything to do with this. From the concept to the technologies involved. Keep in mind this all costs money, and decisions will have to take that into account. Do not assume that something that can or will become available in another media format just because it isn't provided as an online download. A lot of archival music can only make it to the masses this way. None of us are in a position to argue that point better than David Singleton. During the coming months technologies will progress. DGM will see how that pans out. Microsoft will likely release their Mac WMPlayer enabled for DRM downloads, and have a more consumer oriented launch. But first you have to drum up the content. DGM has that. DGM also has a very vocal audience. Why? In part because DGM listens to them. Expect DGM to listen to you in this case, but don't forget that civility does not have to be compromised to argue a case. The WMA format will be evaluated on its technological merits, and its ability to do what DGM is in need of. If it cannot then we move to the next option. But this will be a technological advance, much like the DVD release was, and not everyone at first will be able to enjoy it until they have upgraded. I haven't got a DVD player, and likely won't have one for quite a while. I also didn't have a CD player for a long time. And so on, and so on. The attitude of entitlement is out of control. DGM is not any more or less run by a raging, heartless, venal CEO because of this. Life moves on. DGM tries to be a step ahead. Thanks for taking the time to read this. Now back to your comments... Dan ET/DGM Web ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:37:14 -0400 From: "Dennis M. Parrott" Subject: re: Snore - Playing the Monster Hits... >From: "Nomad Stem" >Subject: Snore... > >In ET #606 Jesse (aka Catherine) Pellegrini wrote: > >"How come the KC never plays any old hits. I just want to know. I saw >them in concert last May and they won't play any. Not even Red." > ---SNIP---- >Seems like Jesse, like many others here, is so stuck in the past that he >can't even differentiate the last time they saw the band from the present >("last May"). Last May, hmmm, was the Double Trio at large in that time frame? If you were seeing the 6 piece and didn't hear at least _Red_ and _LTiA II_, I'd say the set list had been thrifted really heavily. It seems to me that both pieces have been featured on all of the Double Trio live material I have (B'BOOM, Broadway, and the new _Live in Mexico City_ ...and what else, gads my mind is going) If it was a ProjeKct, I would NOT expect them to play any of the old chestnuts unless they were really reshaping it heavily with a new sonic grinding wheel. Moreover, based on what I read of RFs report of Bill Bruford's feelings, I would not expect an as yet to be determined configuration of KC to "return to the old stomping grounds"... If they can come together somehow, I expect they will be moving on and frankly, I feel that it is about time -- I need to hear a KC that has something new to say. _Live in Mexico City_ is something worth downloading if you want to hear an old chestnut -- Adrian sings ITCOTCK! Even if you're paying outrageous long- distance charges to do the download, you gotta check it out. It was COOL. Overall, the _LiMC_ performance was pretty good -- the band was in full flight.... --------------- Dennis M. Parrott web developer-at-large dparrott at mich dot com http://www.mich.com/~dparrott/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:13:33 PDT From: "Jorge Landa" Subject: With a little help from my friends Hi there: Well I have tried to download the Mexico Show on DGM, but I goot a problem, I hope somebody can help me. How can I save the partial download (normally I Use Get Right), Here In Mexico is harrd get a continuos serve, the communication get broked every hour, then I can download the file. Maybe someone who has can download can send me the file on mail or any way PLEASE HELP ME!!! I don't want to lose this chance of get the show. PLEASe, PLEASE, PLEASE!!! Help me too get the file and I would help you to get some other KC related things. Thanks Landa jorge_landa at hotmail dot com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:23:34 -0400 From: "Dennis M. Parrott" Subject: re: Mexico City download - you just can't please everyone all of the time "Nomad Stem" writes: > Obvious benefits for DGM here are the smaller downloads. I disagree. If you re-read the announcement and the stuff that was posted on the "Bootlegs" site, it is clear (to me) that the real reason DGM chose to hook up with Micro$oft is DIGITAL RIGHTS MANAGEMENT. If you are following any of the stuff in the tech press about MP3 it is clear that the real reason(s) the execs at the major (and minor) labels despise the MP3 steamroller is that 1) they won't be in control and 2) they probably won't get paid for that 301st copy of a copy of something. The DRM stuff built in to the new Media Player allows the label to make sure that they get paid and that you can't use the goods beyond those purposes they licensed it for. > I think the other benefit is the qualify of the audio. As someone who has downloaded a fair share of "free samples" from places like MP3.com and who has downloaded the _LiMC_ file, this is very true. I was really impressed with the quality of audio I was hearing from my new Toshiba notebook and a pair of cruddy, powered "multimedia" speakers. It was really very close to CD quality. > It doesn't make sense for a new venture to embrace an old, if somewhat > revolutionary, format. DGM obviously is looking forward here. Were MP3 an > improving format then it might have been an option. DGM is IMHO really out on the bleeding edge here -- this venture is really in need of some SERIOUS network bandwidth. Listening to the sample at 56K was pretty bad. Downloading 32 MB of tunage was not a happening thing via modem (as another ETer has made note of). re: the statement about choosing MP3 as the format, I'd have to say that IF some consortium were bolting a rights management piece onto the basic MP3 stuff, it could have been the choice. > And lets remember, no one is required to pay anything for this download, and > it is up to you to decide whether immediate access to concert audio from the > previous day's show is worth paying the $10 it might cost. Our friends down > under might have a thing or two to say about being able to do that, and Joe > Blow in Cleveland who just loved the show he went to will undoubtedly love > being able to get his very own souvenir to play over and over. Bands are businesses and they want you to give them your money. Bands don't get squat from the income stream generated by the bootleggers. Technology has enabled us to be able to deliver very high quality audio to audients without all of the bother of mastering and mixing and pressing... Hey, I'd buy the concert audio before I'd buy the Tshirt! > Either way some people just won't be happy - that's a simple fact of life. As was evidenced by the intense reaction that caused Mr. Singleton to give some an explanation. Can you imagine the firestorm that charging for the _LiMC_ file would have precipitated? Yikes! Where did I put that fireproof underwear? Confidential to Messrs. Singleton, Fripp, Bruford, Levin, Belew, et. al.: I, for one, thought the gesture of giving away the Mexico City file was very nice. Thanks. The audio quality was wonderful (I expected a lot less). Downloading it was a pain (from home anyway) but, hey, THE PRICE WAS RIGHT! Oh, and when can I expect to be able to buy that performance on CD so it's not captive to my computer? (see, I _WANT YOU_ to take my money!!) --------------- Dennis M. Parrott web developer-at-large dparrott at mich dot com http://www.mich.com/~dparrott/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:03:09 -0500 From: "Erik 'Starblazer' Stearns" Subject: Live In Mexico City Problems. Hey guys, I have a major annoyance with people who don't test the downloadability of their wares. First of all, Don't download it if you have the Netzip plugin for Netscape. First, it treats the file as an unknown file ant tries to lable it as a zip. So therefore, it doesn't come down as it's true name. Second, if the Netscape window is updated while Netzip is running, then it starts a new netzip download each time a window is refreshed. So you have multiple downloads. Second, I tried it on a machine that doesn't have Netzip installed and it downloaded ok. However when I tried to run it, it pulled up Netscape and in that window, I got some weird HTTP syntax error. What the hell is going on here. Hasn't anyone tested this frapping thing to make sure it works? You need to do some good QA on this stuff people! Erik Stearns. -- An Open mind is the thriving of a society while the closed mind is the downfall of the same. For in Saroks's words, "The spear in the others's heart is the spear in your own. You are he." -- From the "Freedom" Speech to Larion's Congress Erik Stearns StarBlazer Enterprises Inc. Synergy Research Consortium (512)834-9480 Fax: (512) 834-9547 eFax: (707) 924-0319 mailto:stearns at bga dot com mailto:stearns at realtime dot net mailto:starblazer at geocities dot com http://www.starblazer.com http://www.synergy-research.com http://www.realtime.net/~stearns http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1740 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:16:25 -0700 From: "Joshua Vaughn" Subject: FREE NOISE! Dear Team: This morning I downloaded "Live in Mexico City" onto my laptop at work in just under a minute over our ethernet connection. Tonight I brought my laptop home, plugged it into my stereo, and let loose the free noise. What an amazing technological breakthrough! Who cares if it's through Microsoft? It's free rock n' roll, people! Lighten up and enjoy!! The file is about 32 Megs, is one big track, and is just over an hour. Dinosaur One Time VROOOM VROOOM (No Coda) Soundscape -> B'Boom -> THRAK Sex Sleep Eat Drink Dream The Talking Drum -> Larks' Tongue in Aspic, Part II Neurotica (!!) 21st Century Schizoid Man (!!!) Prism Red As a $15 CD this would be a very redundant release, especially since I have B'Boom and Sometimes God Smiles. But since it was for free, I really can't complain. Definately worth hearing if just for Neurotica and Schizoid Man! Thanks to Robert and the DGM Team! Keep the downloadable music coming!! The revolution will not be televised, Josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:45:14 +0100 From: Malhomme Subject: freee DGM d/l I tried it, couldn't work. Get a message saying I don't have the good version of media player. Clicked on the site on the left side of the page to get this media player, and after installation, noi change. It wouldn't even d/l it to eventually use with even another player (like quicktime). Damnnnnnn! Olivier Malhomme ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:10:27 +0100 From: lk Subject: Play KC Live in Mexico on a normal CD-player? Hi ETers. What a trouble to download and start KC Live in Mexico! At first I must download the MediaPlayer from a Micosoft-side. I got more than 10 TimeOuts. On wendsday afternoon I download the mediplayer-file. After installing the new MediaPlayer (Version 6.4) I could start to download the file KC Live in Mexico City, over 32MB! I have start yesterday (18.8.99), but i get a Time Out during night. Tomorrow morning I download again with 12k/sec, over 40 minutes. After starting with MediaPlayer, the MediaPlayer will connect to http://license.keyconnect.com/wm/dgm/... with some paramters. Netscape reports an HTTP Error. I copied the adress plus parameters to the InternetExplorer (Microsoft!!!) and then came the DGM-eMail box. After typing my eMail-adress I start the MediaPlayer with KCMexico and he played: Dinosaur. Wow! No information on the license.keyconnect.com-side about troubleshooting. My question: Is there a way to copy the KCMexico-file in a wave-file for using it on a normal CD-player and not on a PC-speaker! Lothar Sorry for my poor english! eMail: klehr at home dot centernet dot de http://wwwtbw.mfh-iserlohn.de/technik1/lk/kingcrimson/kc_start.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:35:58 -0500 From: "Antoine W. Caron" Subject: BootlegTV.com In Feb 99 I wrote in ET#572: Subject: The Crimson in Mexico.WMA Thought you might like to know that some people were having problems listening to the recording from DGM even after they downloaded it for the reasons contained in the message reproduced below. The key is to have the KC.WMA file in a folder which does not have a space contained in the folder name. For example, I had it in folders called "Program Files" and also tried "My Music", both of which folders have a space, and when I tried to open the KC.WMA there was a syntax problem or a 404 booboo when it tried to launch the internet site which would allow (require) me to register my email prior to playing it. So I created a folder called KC, placed the KC.WMA file there and double clicked it and it opened properly and right now I am here at work and listening to Crimson in Mexico City, so pass the tequila, please. Credit for this discovery goes to Brian at gte and Dan the DGM Webmaster. Guys take a bow. By the way, when I started to read ET several months ago, I knew very little about KC except for ItCotCK, and even after reading ET for several months now I still do not know much about Crimson, but I will persevere. Only kidding. Great newsletter, all bands should have fans as passionate, diverse, eclectic and verbose as KC does. Regards, Steven Lawless ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:41:13 -0400 From: leslabb at ptd dot net Subject: Mexico City Download > For those who are having trouble downloading the Mexico City bootleg You have a cable modem, and it took 5 hours to download? I have just a 56k modem, and it only took 55 minutes to download, honest. Les B. Labbauf http://home.ptd.net/~leslabb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:12:47 -0400 From: tj Subject: burning cds gives you so much less I consider the inflamed instantaneous nearly erotic desire to suck MxCty into a laser manageable form to be nothing short of vampiric. Once again we learn more about ourselves rather than the topic at hand. If this new process survives and proceeds as described then when Crim next tours it will be time to think more seriously about getting DSL. I don't need more musical hard copy at all IF I can easily step into the next paragraph. DSL is still steep in the US but the Urban/Suburban landscape is being injected with new thick cable all over. Imagine Crim plays 28 shows in 36 days and you get to listen to every single one. Crim as a drug. "Hey want to get a brew tonight?" "Oh sorry I uh I uh" "Crimson? Again? You're HOOKED!" "well uh only 17 more shows to go... " "WHAT?!!! You're fired!!!" "Ok ;-) bye" I want to know, does BILL GATES like Crim? Who made the first contact between these UNIQUE entities in different businesses? An ETer at Msoft perhaps. But Bill is close to the right age, gender (not entirely), IQ, AND has sufficient nerd quantity to be one of us. tj dc-et2 (uh Bill? Drop me a line would ya?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 05:35:33 -0500 From: aaron eastburn Subject: mexico city The mexico city download won't let me use a download program (like go!zilla) or even the "save as" option that it recommends, this means that each time I get disconnected before the 3 hour download is finished, I can't resume downloading Do you know if the setup is incomplete or buggy or if were just being used as the testers for DGMLive security?or if this is the most evil scheme ever devised for Microsoft to give me more free software? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:02:00 +0100 From: umrk at home dot com Subject: Mexico Well, I just got my free download of Mexico. It took about 20 min. on cable (sorry if you are still using phone lines). It's only 32 meg so it is highly compressed somehow, which means it is impure, but the sound is great!! Now, I shall make a CD out of it. Don't you just love technology?!!? I also just downloaded (streamed) the BLUE concert from Cambridge MA (it originally comes from the House of Blues site www.hob.com) and recorded it onto my hard drive. Now I have a double live CD of BLUE live at the House of Blues!! Don't worry Bill, Tony, Robert et. al, I will never sell it or give it to those who might. I love this high tech. world. The key is to have a burner and some half decent editing software. I got mine ( Cool Edit '96) for only $50 from the syntrillium website. It's actually free but I liked so much that I paid them for it. Anyway, Mexico is fantastik! Internet through the phone lines is useless. And a burner will be the most worthwhile thing you ever purchased. Especially if you are prepared to join the trading community. Phish fans for example, have a HUGE network out there and there is so much stuff available that it is impossible to get it all. And it is all legal and endorsed by the band (they have a taping section at all concerts). Also endorsing live taping are Gov't Mule and Mike Keneally (formerly of Frank Zappa's band)and live audience CDs are available for trading IF you hook up with the right people. By the way these 3 bands are IMHO (three of) the very best that are still touring on a FREQUENT basis. Enough for now. JZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:23:11 +0200 From: "Derek Middleton" Subject: Mexico City Download. Help! Maybe this is not the place to ask, but I'm having trouble accessing the download page. All I get is a scrip error message. Has anyone else had this problem or know the answer? I've downloaded the Media Player OK and that works. Any advice will be gratefully received. Derek Middleton (KC fan but not a computer whizz kid) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:00:38 EDT From: Pbachjr at aol dot com Subject: mexico city Anyone successfully downloaded? I have attempted to download onto a superdisk. It stops at 11.9 mb and says its complete, even though the file says it should be 31.8 mb. When the file is accessed and played, it reads at a length of 1 hour 7 min but actually stops playing at around the 35 minute mark. Am I the only one having problems? ANY help or suggestions would be appreciated, either in the digest or personal replies. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:11:55 +0200 From: David Restrepo Subject: THE UNDISPENSABLE KING CRIMSON LIVE! I just downloaded the Live in Mexico City and weird, as it seems, now that I'm listening to it I feel like if I were part of the audience that night. The band played impeccable. This is just too great to be true. BRAVO! It took about 3 hours and a half but it sure was worth it. This is definitely the UNDISPENSABLE KING CRIMSON LIVE! I can't believe my ears, as I'm writing this, there is an spectacular version of 21st century schizoidman with an amazing solo by Belew who is later joined by Fripp. This is the best version I ever heard of this song. I'd love to hear Belew singing more of the old material like he did with cadence and cascades but this really is too much. There are no words really to thank Discipline Global Mobile enough for giving this stuff away for free, I'll pay what ever it takes to get this. David Restrepo Paris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:11:55 +0200 From: David Restrepo Subject: THE UNDISPENSABLE KING CRIMSON LIVE! I just downloaded the Live in Mexico City and weird, as it seems, now that I'm listening to it I feel like if I were part of the audience that night. The band played impeccable. This is just too great to be true. BRAVO! It took about 3 hours and a half but it sure was worth it. This is definitely the UNDISPENSABLE KING CRIMSON LIVE! I can't believe my ears, as I'm writing this, there is an spectacular version of 21st century schizoidman with an amazing solo by Belew who is later joined by Fripp. This is the best version I ever heard of this song. I'd love to hear Belew singing more of the old material like he did with cadence and cascades but this really is too much. There are no words really to thank Discipline Global Mobile enough for giving this stuff away for free, I'll pay what ever it takes to get this. David Restrepo Paris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 09:40:39 -0700 From: rgw0001 at door dot net (weiner, robert) Subject: King Crimson in Mexico-on CD-R I was wondering if anyone would be willing to send me a copy of the King Crimson Mexico download on CD-R. I can't seem to download it. I don't have the memory or capability on my machine. I would really appreciate it. I've been looking for a version of the 1996 band doing 20'th Century Schz. Man for quite some time. I'd be willing to pay someone for blanks and time. I have written DGM and suggested the Mexico release as a Collector's club CD. I would really appreciate anyone's help with this. Thanks in advance, Rob rgw0001 at door dot net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:45:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Chad Powell Subject: Cover for "Live In Mexico City" CD-R Has anyone assembled a cover for a "Live In Mexico City" CD-R? The concert sounds great and I would like a cover to match! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 03:13:57 PDT From: "Par Svedberg" Subject: swedish ET readers/live in mexico Well, first time writing here...and it feels great! ;) Anyone who have listened to the new web release of the mexico concert? I've listened to parts of it, quickly. Personally I think it sound pretty good. But I'm not sure... I'm quite new to King Crimson, discovered them just a couple of months ago. And I really like them. Maybe it's because I'm young(1982) I have not been aware of them earlier. So far I have only ITCOTKC, LTIA, Red and the new live in Mexico. Anyone who can recommend the next album I should get? I've only followed ET since #599, so I don't really know which topics have been discussed.. It's great to see how many young people who are into KC. It would be great to get in touch with some other swedish "Crimheads". ;) Uhm, to be my first posting I don't think I made a good impression... Excuse my english too.. /Par Svedberg parsvedberg at hotmail dot com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:34:23 +0200 From: "Frits Jurriens" Subject: KC live in Mexico NOT [Unknown MIME type or encoding (multipart/related), contents not processed] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:34:39 +0200 From: "Frits Jurriens" Subject: Much confusion & disillusion Sure, download KC live in Mexico. Sure, everybody benefits. I've just about had it with King-Crimson-the-Upperclass-band First the expensive collectors club, Now albums to buy-online !!! Free, for a limited time they say. I get some errormessage saying that the stuff is not available for Mac or Unix machines. Ofcourse I have a regalar PC. If KC thinks that this is a way get their music to their fans they are wrong. I AM VERY ANGRY !! Why? Computers don't work. Software don't work. Websites don't work Microsoft is a company that sells errormessages. Even the errormessages in Microsoft products are wrong ! Microsoft is a company that should be stopped !! This planet is in danger if we have to rely on Microsoft even more than we already do. Get yer CD's in the shops ! Or put regular MP3 files on a website for download, make the stuff available for everybody. I have never before been angry or disappointed by anything KC does. You go in a recordstore, listen, and then decide of you like the music or not. Now you have to try for half-an-hour to download music, which fails, and you have nothing but frustration. There is no room for Bill Gates in any KC line-up. Everybody benefits? Sure: Telephone companies & Microsoft, but NOT music lovers & not even DGM. Now I won't be able to get KC on broadway or in Mexico City. The first is only available through the club, the second is un-available on the web due to Microsoft envolvement. [...cursing here...] It's back to home taping I guess... Does anyone have similar experiences? ==update== Oh, I have the file now, thanks to Netscape. A 3 hour download, but no music ! Not even with the Media Player update. How to get music from this .WMA file? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:08:34 +0000 From: jonathan at wizard dot net Subject: MexCity Report and a Question Folks, I've been enjoying the Mexico City show which is more than worth the 2+ hours it took to download. I have determined that: - the file (32MB) can be copied to another computer and played (windoze only), but you have to be able to log on and get a license the first time you play it on any given computer. Reportedly, this license will never expire, but your computer will (eventually). - the latest version of Winamp can decode it to a WAV file which can be burned to CD. To make the WAV, select Options > Preferences > Output > Nullsoft Diskwriter. - the claim of "same quality, but half the size of the equivalent MP3 file" rings true to my ears. To me this sounds like a 128kbps 44kHz MP3, which would indeed be twice the size. IMO, that the license cannot be transferred from computer to computer is a big limitation. I have plenty of 10-year old CDs which still get played while a 10 year old computer belongs in a museum (or a landfill). A question for all you kind ET-ers... What is the correct track list for this thing (I freely admit that I have trouble distinguishing VROOOM/VROOOM VROOOM, B'Boom/Prism and Thrak/improv). The following is what I have so far: Mexico City Track Info (please e-mail me privately with corrections): title begins at length Dinosaur 00:00:00 7:25 One Time 07:25:50 6:02 VROOOM VROOOM 13:27:25 4:49 Thrak 18:16:00 6:25 Improv 24:41:15 3:36 Thrak 28:17:25 1:49 Sex... 30:06:50 4:56 The Talking Drum 35:02:50 3:59 Larks II 39:03:10 6:15 Neurotica 45:18:37 4:34 21st Century 49:52:50 6:31 Prism 56:23:25 4:32 Red 60:55:68 6:27 Thanks in advance for any assistance. Yours, Jonathan Krall ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #609 ********************************