Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #596 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 596 Tuesday, 29 June 1999 Today's Topics: For those interested in Crimsonincarnations worldwide The Becoming grabbing a lifeboat The West Coast is not just California New Fripp track on charity disc Starless re: Fripp plays the trumpet? Nelson , Head Candy Pin Trumpet,Sacred Songs, So long to Eb Re: Bill Nelson / What Now, What Next? David Cross and Noisy Records Website King Crimson and the Spice girls? 1981, '82 setlists? Lady & The Tiger vs. Terrapin Station Hey sonny ever been to Kansas? Cirkus In Argentina Head Candy (correction) Head Candy why did crimson keep breaking up during '70's? Re: Impassioned plea DGM+ CD Reviewlets Re: Massacre Re: Audi Commercial and Fripp Mystery Solved? Shirt Pocket Notes Eb; Wetton's tone; Sacred Songs; Ade is as much KC as RF Artist Shop has Japanese edt. of CC releases GIG REVIEW: Ade in Cleveland GIG REVIEW: Belew in Cincinnati ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.5b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:23:51 +0200 From: "schizoid.man" Subject: For those interested in Crimsonincarnations worldwide hi there ! Once i read here someone running down on Les Claypool, former bassist from Primus, as it was proposed for some imaginery KC line up. Well, every taste is in the nature. Well, i don't want to open once again the debate...No, no. Does anyone here ever listened to Tim Alexander (formerly from Primus too) ' side project called "LAUNDRY". Well, guess what ? The bassist here does not play bass, but Chapman stick. The guitar parts are full of repetitions, Tim is very discreet indeed, though i expected much more from him and the singer, well, it looks like Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam rejoining some KC double. It's fascinating how so many bands actually sound like but does not really, and would never be you know who. For instance, Larry LaLonde, guitarist of Primus -once again, i'm sorry - is a very KC hardcore fan. Regarding other US band, there is also "DON CABALLERO"; no singer, a hell of a drummer, a bassist and two guitar players with intricate games, furious, well, worth the listen i think and presumely KC/RUSH influenced by. The sound is pretty garagelike/industrial. On the other side of the Atlantic Ocean, in Sweden, there is what might be the better resume of KC entire carreer : ANEKDOTEN. Romantic and sensitive as KC 69, pale singer like KC71 (sorry folks), adventurous in improv like KC74, intricate guitar interplay like KC81 and powerfull and dense as KC96...Such an invitation card could make you sweat, well, they're great but not vital, you know. But great. Finally, some different little points and i leave you alone after that : - T.Levin is the greatest bass player of all time. Everybody knows that. Except perhaps Tony. I don't know if you ever listened to the works Tony did for Magna Carta, including a BOZZIO/STEVENS/LEVIN trio and LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT (2 albums so far); in fact guitarist, keyboardist and drummer from DREAM THEATER + Tony...None of them is worth i think. Sorry, Tony, would you ever forgive me for this ? Music is firstly pleasure. Maybe he had pleasure for those, plus some extra bucks, but we are not invited to appreciate this pleasure as they are "clinic" albums ; pure technical demonstrations. The LTE 2 is the worst and make looks like the previous one like a master piece, and the B/S/L has some beautiful moments i must confess. - If there is any VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR fan in the audience, i suggest a letter to DGM to encourage them to rerelease the entire VDGG catalogue on the label...Hammill is already there, so why not considering it, as we know that KC and VDGG were and still are the greatest english "progressive" bands ever. - And for the meaning of THRAK and VROOOM, you can find it in the KC 1996 tour programme (great work from Mister Bill Smith once again). Some extracts here : VROOOM, Definition : An inevitable and remorseless forward motion wich carries all before it VROOM VROOM, Definition : 1 the same, but here it comes again 2 A KC instrumental (1994) with a middle section originally written, but not used, for "Red" (1974) A PERSONNAL NOTE HERE : this kind of middle section was also used on the B.L.U.E album. Is this a way of recycling ideas ? THRAK, Definiton : 1 A sudden and precise impact moving from intention, direction and commitment, inservice of an aim 2 The sound of 117 guitars almost striking the same chord simultaneously THERE IS ALSO DEFINITIONS FOR MARINE 475, AND KC. Next time if asked by popular demand... - The work of PJ CROOK is very beautiful, though it makes me oo much think of MAGRITTE's work, who was, firstly, a publicist. The images produced suggest some intrigue and weirdness beyond what looks like normal. But it's very too gentle for the music on the disc i think. Well, i do not criticize. I just gave and share my point of view. I hope you were not be shocked but pleased to see some Crimhead with still objective thoughts. In fact, KC never had beautiful covers, only images of great subconscious impact. But THRAK is my favorite one. - tell me, will there be another referendum some other time ? - when Daryl HALL's "Sacred songs" will be released and will it be on DGM ? Ok, ok, that's it, i've talked too much. I know. Next time, it will be briefer. I know ; it would not be difficult. Thank you all for your patience and enthusiasm. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:40:09 -0500 From: Paul Hubers Subject: The Becoming I found this awhile back and ordered it only to get a message back that it was not going to be published. Go figure - Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:52:36 -0800 From: Phillipe Toudic Subject: grabbing a lifeboat Eb ... Eb ... why hast thou forsaken me? - Phil T. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:52:16 -0700 From: "Ehrcraft" Subject: The West Coast is not just California "I went to see Adrian's concert at the Cat's Cradle in Carrboro this past week, and it was wonderful." "So if you happen to see AB coming yer way, go to the concert, show yer support, and buy some stuff. There aint too many musicians like this." "Don't miss Adrian if he is nearby or you will miss a fun andenjoyable evening." "Those of you who can,...........MUST see Belew LIVE!!! Well worth the wait....and a once in a lifetime experience." Quotes from ET#595 that only make me sad. Why? No A.B. shows in the Pacific Northwest! Thats Why! I lost the urge to buy Coming Attractions CD with this news. Shame on You, Mr.Belew. Dave (just another poor hick from Portland) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 05:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: sean hewitt Subject: New Fripp track on charity disc Hello all! Two points: 1. Here's some more details and the correct e-mail address for the Fripp charity disc I posted details about earlier. The disc is available from Midas Music Limited, Dovedale House, Derby, DE1 1PL, UK. Tel: 0044 (0) 1332 349429. Fax: 0044 (0) 1332 342269. E-mail: mail at midas dot u-net dot com. They also have an internet address: http://www.midas.u-net.com. Just to recap: The disc is called The Sky Goes All The Way Home and includes a previously-unreleased Robert Fripp track called The Sky Falls. It is taken from his 1997 Salisbury Cathedral Soundscapes performances and lasts about 5 minutes. It is spectacularly impressive. The CD is a charity release to raise money for the Down's Syndrome Association and a Down's Syndrome school in Derbyshire, England. It also includes a John Wetton track. Cheers! Sean. Do You Yahoo!? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:52:37 -0300 From: "Julian_-_Cristina_-_Fe" Subject: Starless Anyone got the entire letter of "Starless", of "Red" ? CD and LP copies in Latin America does not contain any information ... Cheers, Julian Catino & Cristina Carlos Mori Catino e-mail: jucrisfe at sti dot com dot br Web Site: http://victorian.fortunecity.com/barchester/636/index.htm Usuario Linux numero: 116138 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:01:45 EDT From: Biffyshrew at aol dot com Subject: re: Fripp plays the trumpet? Alex Pare wrote: >I was browsing through Yahoo Music today when I saw that Brian Eno had an >interactive CD-ROM named Headcandy. What strucked me as weird is that Robert >Fripp is listed as playing the guitar and the trumpet! Has anyone ever heard >of Fripp playing the trumpet? Or as anyone heard this album? Unfortunately, my copy of _Headcandy_ is currently residing in a house where I am not, so I can't check the exact credit; but on the audio CD _Nerve Net_, which shares material with _Headcandy_, Fripp is credited as playing "pin-trumpet guitar." This is simply one of Eno's descriptive names for a guitar sound, and not an indication that Fripp plays an actual trumpet. Other examples: "snake guitar," "Wimshurst guitar" (because it resembles a piece of electrical equipment called a Wimshurst machine), which leads naturally to "Wimbourne guitar," etc. My favorite Eno credit on _Nerve Net_ is where he is listed as playing "tenor fax." Your pal, Biffy the Elephant Shrew ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:47:45 -0400 From: John Ott Subject: Nelson , Head Candy Pin Trumpet,Sacred Songs, So long to Eb > >>the Bill Nelson albums (haven't really heard much Bill Nelson since the >>early 80s); > >I can vouch for What Now, What Next?. I picked it up at a >used CD store a couple of weeks ago and it is really growing >on me. This from a guy who didn't care for BeBop Deluxe >very much at all. - S. I have all the Be-Bop stuff and some Red Noise and some of the Couteau label releases that are represented on the "What Now, What Next" compliation. I was suprised at how much I did not have that was on the compliation but Bill is very prolific. I also have "Atom Shop" and like it very much. It is Bill's demo for a "Major" release that did not happen. But friends convinced him the demo was good enough to put out. It was. I like most of Bill's solo stuff and his comtributions to some of David Sylvian albums also. > >I was browsing through Yahoo Music today when I saw that Brian Eno had an >interactive CD-ROM named Headcandy. What strucked me as weird is that Robert >Fripp is listed as playing the guitar and the trumpet! Has anyone ever heard >of Fripp playing the trumpet? Or as anyone heard this album? I have the CD-ROM. What Fripp is playing is guitar that is treated to sound like a trumpet. He calls the patch "Pin Trumpet Guitar". He uses the same patch on another Eno album and on "The Sheltering Sky". The music on Head Candy is great, Fripp is on several tracks but the 3-D graphics get rather boring after the first or second time through. > >I don't know if any of you folks have seen it yet, but Daryl Hall's 'Sacred >Songs' album has recently been remastered for cd.....I've never heard the >record, but I really liked his contributions (i.e. North Star) on Fripp's >Exposure, and Fripp helped out on this album as well......anyone out there >familiar with the album and/or this new remaster? > It was released on May 15 on Buddha records. It was produced orginally by Fripp and he plays on it. Fripp also produced the remaster. Both "North Star" and "You Burn Me Up I'm a Cigarette" from "Exposure" are included as bonus tracks. Fripp mentioned in the diary allowing those tracks in trade for allowing to release "Exposure" with Hall's vocals restored to the tracks RCA would not allow Fripp to use on "Exposure". I'm hoping that happens. "Sacred Songs" is a good album (I have the original on vinyl) and was intended by Fripp to be part of a trilogy with "Peter Gabriel II" and "Exposure" It is not at all like the Hall and Oates records but much more experimental. >Subject: grabbing a lifeboat > >I'm outta here. > >Eb I guess Eb could not take the fame of being called dopey in Fripp's diary. Later John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:44:01 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Bill Nelson / What Now, What Next? >>(haven't really heard much Bill Nelson since the early 80s); >I can vouch for What Now, What Next?. I picked it up at a >used CD store a couple of weeks ago and it is really growing >on me. This from a guy who didn't care for BeBop Deluxe >very much at all. Bill's solo albums really aren't that much like BeBop Deluxe. For some of his more guitar oriented stuff, check out "Blue Moons and Laughing Guitars," After The Satellite Sings," and "Practically Wired, or How I Became Guitarboy." There's an excellent fan site at >www.billnelson.com<. - Steve _______________ We're all Jesus, Buddha, and the Wizard of Oz! - Andy Partridge ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:35:31 EDT From: Noisynoisy at aol dot com Subject: David Cross and Noisy Records Website To all elephant-talkers, I've finally found out what computers are for. Please visit my NEW website at members.aol.com/noisynoisy. It's the only site with my true date of birth and other startling revelations. CDs, reviews, photos, discography....... When is The Big Picture NOT an album by Elton John? Check it out or you'll never know what you're missing. Have you heard the new version of John Wetton singing Exiles? Have you survived Fripp's solo on Tonk? See you there. David Cross ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:48:25 EDT From: Kevlar15 at aol dot com Subject: King Crimson and the Spice girls? Did anyone see the former Ginger-Spice Geri on the Dave Letterman Show the other night pushing her new solo release? But more importantly, did anyone notice the she walked on to the stage being serenaded by Paul Shaffer and his "orchestra" performing a quick sound-bite-ish version of 21st Century Schizoid Man? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 22:43:21 -0400 From: "Stephen T. Kilpatrick" Subject: 1981, '82 setlists? The 1984 setlist is pretty well documented on the "Live in Japan" video and "Absent Lovers", but not having heard any 'unofficial' live tapes of the '80s incarnation I know little about the setlists for the 1981 and 1982 shows in which Crimson was the major act on the bill. I don't recall this being mentioned in ET before, and a quick search of the archives is unsuccessful. What were the typical running orders for these shows? Did they simply play the Discipline album live at the 1981 shows or were there other songs or improvs? -- * -------------------------------------- Steve Kilpatrick E-mail: kilpatri+ at pitt dot edu URL: http://www.pitt.edu/~kilpatri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:49:24 EDT From: CohenMark at aol dot com Subject: Lady & The Tiger vs. Terrapin Station James Dusewicz refers to a tread (which I have not seen) campairing The Lady & The Tiger and the Grateful Dead's Terrapin Station. So he went and bought the compilation CD "The Arista Years" to check out Terrapin Station. I can't help being amused. First of all I can't for the life of me see anything at all in common with these two pieces of music. Secondly, I am both a fanatic Crimso/Fripp head and also a fanatic Deadhead having seen the Dead about 275 times in eighteen years. What I have always been always confused about is that many progressive heads are far more likely to just dismiss the Dead outright while most Deadheads are far more likely to be open minded when I attempt to turn them on to progressive rock, especially King Crimson and Robert Fripp. These prog heads who pan the Dead, don't even know the Dead. They have no clue, as to what this band was about. Alot of these guys, are not even very knowlegeable about King Crimson/Robert Fripp as well. Ironically, I'll tell you that (here is the states anyway), some of the best King Crimson field recordists happened to be hard core Grateful Dead recordists. It's us Deadheads that are responsible for most of the best Crimso tapes in circulation! And that's a fact! I know someone (no names) who's a well known Grateful Dead recordist who taped 7-1-74. His tape (I copied the master) is the best you'll ever find!. So it's us Deadheads that are sittin' on some of the juciest Crimso/Fripp related stuff, because many serious tapers in the Grateful Dead taping circles are also into King Crimson as well as many, many other bands. It was the seasoned Dead tapers whom were always the ones whom were the most skilled to be be able to record someone as difficult to record as KC & RF. As for "The Arista Years" that is ironically the only Grateful Dead CD that I do not own as there is nothing on it that is not on the original albums. My advise James, is for you to check out the CD "Dozin' At The Knick" which is from the Knickerbocker Arena/Albany, NY 3-24 & 3-25-90. I was right in front of the stage for those incredible shows. Listen to the Terrapin as incorporated in the jam: Playin' In The Band >>>Uncle John's Band>>>Terrapin Station>>>Mind Left Body Jam>>>Drumz, Etc. That's a hot live Terrapin although the studio version is quite amazing but much much different. Also, I strongly recommed the Dick's Pick series. Dick's up to volume thirteen already. As for The Lady and The Tiger, I have that album on a cassette which I copied from a friend's album. I am a hugh "Sunday All Over The World" fan. What a fantastic CD. I posted to the current ET that I had just found yet another Toyah CD: The Changling. My favorite Toyah CD is Prostitute! I would kill for live SAOTW. Never even heard a wisper about any in circulation. Robert told me at one of the signings in New York, that he intends to release live SAOTW along with the remastered studio CD. SAOTW played in Europe circa 1988-1989 I believe. I would like to hear from ET'ers whom are both Crimso Heads and Dead Heads. I own just about every legitimate recording Robert Fripp has ever made and much non-legit stuff and I've seen Robert as far back as The League Of Gentleman which was outrageous! I saw Crimso at the Savoy in '81 three times. But there was nothing, but absolutely nothing like a Grateful Dead Concert! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:04:13 EDT From: Entreri187 at aol dot com Subject: Hey sonny ever been to Kansas? It seems to me that KIng Crimson and it's members along with most other groups I like{ The Cure, Massive Attack,Garbage and many others}, avoid Kansas like it was the gateway to eternal suffering. King Crimson did play Bonner Springs K.S. for the '98 H.O.R.D.E. Festival and it was the best show I have ever seen, but I think That was only because it fit the Festivals calender. I've looked at "The Great Decievers " scrapbook and in Krimsons whole career they have only been here one other time. What gives... COME TO KANSAS!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:37:28 -0300 From: "Ricardo \"Lancelot\" Medina" Subject: Cirkus In Argentina Big Bear Records Av. Santa Fe 1653 L.7 (1060) Capital Federal Buenos Aires - Argentina www.bigbear.com.ar Tel: +54(11)4815-6633 Fax: +54(11)4816-7301 The Musical Box radio show www.angelfire.com/mb/TheMusicalBox Dear Friends If you're looking for teh King Crimson double CD Cirkus, and you're in Argentina get in touch with us. We have it in stock since last Tuesday. You can listen to it at our radio show's web site during the week that goes from June 27th until July 3rd All the best ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:48:23 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Head Candy (correction) In my above post I called Head Candy a generative program. The moment I hit the send key I realized that I had confused H. C. w/ Eno's Koan project. Opps. The rest of my post, including Eno's reaction to the final product, is accurate. Fripp's contribution has been described as "playing soundscapes over . . . ," so that there's much "real" trumpet involved seems unlikely. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:37:01 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Head Candy Brian Eno's "Head Candy" is basically music he "wrote" and "played" for a cd rom program. Eno has since disowned the work, which he claims was spectacular in the form he was originally asked to compose for, but was less impressive in its final product, which was intended to be "a digital kaleidoscope of light and sound." It is true that Robert Fripp "wrote" and "plays" on 2 of the 5 tracks. I put these words in quotes because the music is generative. Basically, the computer puts it together in a random fashion creating an infinite number of combinations. You would have to listen a very long time indeed to hear the same thing twice. I have not heard this particular recording, but some other Eno experiments of this type have, to my ears, been quite interesting. (The reviews of "Head Candy" shared Eno's lack of enthusiasm.) Finally, I have no idea as to if Fripp played trumpet; one need not have any but the most basic knowledge of any instrument to play on recordings of this type, so it is possible. Note: most of my comments are based on Eno's own writings regarding the project--I make no claim expertise. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:36:24 -0400 (EDT) From: pellegrini dot 1 at osu dot edu (Catherine Pellegrini) Subject: why did crimson keep breaking up during '70's? Ithink it was a big mistake for crimson to keep on disbanding during the '70's. Just as they were at the peak of their carreer with the album RED, they decided to call it quits once more. They may have passed up opportunities that could have brokent them in to major heavy metal. They're songs, I'm sorry, compositions were exceedingly difficult to play. Especially Fracture. I've just recieved the transcription from the ET tabs area and have been working on it a week and haven't gotten even past the first measure. I can now identify with Fripp's terming of the music press as'vampiric' as described in the Rock n roll encyclopedia and he said in it on I believe July 9, 1974-King crimson is over for ever and ever. Apparently prematurley. Imagine what possibilities could have come if they would have toughed it out and not broken up. But I saw in the Frame by Frame box set that Wetton was beiong difficult to work with and Cross's violin was becoming a nuisance than an asset in the heavy metal industry. But look at the Dave Mathew's band. They play stuff similar to King crimson, albeit not as good, and they have a violinist. Anyways imagine what might have been if Crimson would have set aside their differences, taken a brief vacation, and then shelled out some more albums from '75-79. They would be more widely recognizaed today. But this Fracture piece is very, very hard. Not for the faint of heart and I now identify with what peple described as Fripp's 'tude. I think that piece would deserve a standing ovation and should be on the charts as #1 hit song for as long as Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon was. I say this because with all the work that went into orchestrating that piece with not only as hard as the guituar part is, but the bass,violin, marimba, and drumset part. It deserves a standing ovation with a grammy nomination and what happened to it. Only the loyal King Crimson fans recognize what a masterpiece it is and everyone else just blows it off as a improv piece. It isn't an improv piece. That's probably why Robert Fripp was so upset with the critics because it took hours and hours and hours to rehearse all of the pieces they did. How dare the critics trash Crimson's music like that. It would absolutely kill me if I put in all this hard work and was taken for granted. The Great Deciever, Lament, and the two larks toungue pieces were pretty tough but fracture takes the cake as being the hardest of all the pieces to play. Especially with uncooporative people in the band at the time. FRACTURE IS THE BOMB!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:05:02 EDT From: Dave Lane Subject: Re: Impassioned plea Upon claiming that the concept of the Collector's Club resulted in his being afflicted with diarrhea, and referring to the other CC releases as "crap", Jacques Wapner-Goutier subsequently requests a copy of the Jacksonville disc. Quoting from the "aims of the CC": "Club releases are supplied to members on the understanding that the records will not be duplicated. " --Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:01:55 -0400 From: "Gordon Emory Anderson" Subject: DGM+ CD Reviewlets Hey dudes (and a few assorted ladies)... I for one am sorry that Eb must leave. His caustic posts were always amusing, even if unintentionally sometimes. I've been checking out some of the recent DGM and related stuff, such as.... Jacob Heringman's Lute CD (what's the name of that thing again?). Unlike some of the DGM stuff which almost seems to have been recorded in a vacuum (e.g., CGT), this has got a real sense of airyness and space. DO YOU WANNA ROCK?!! I SAID, DO YOU WANNA ROCK?, then don't listen to this! It's quiet, gentle, soothing and lovely (unless you believe that quiet can sometimes rock as hard as loud/fast). In it, you can kind of hear where the monastic tradition seems to flow into the more "modern" music, such as Bach, Mozart, and Vivaldi. (BTW, I'm also listening to Galbraith's Bach CD where he plays a modified 8-string guitar with external resonator between his legs. Also excellent.) CGT Live with King Crimson. Someone here said it best. As much as I love Pathways, the studio-ization of CGT kind of boiled out some of the Ballsiness this band can have, even when playing something "quiet". The veil is off here, and it really jumps out at you. Even my Jazz-snob father ug these guys at a live gig in Borders last year, and this let's you know why. The sound quality is good too. I really dig this disc. Trey Gunn, Raw Power. I've been waiting for this for a while, ever since seeing the TG Band at the Bottom Line in NYC. Although perhaps a tad below the level of 1,000 Years & First Star, this pretty much works as a CD, despite the fact that the material is culled from several sources over a course of several years. There are some really top-notch tracks here, too. But I'm still waiting for TG Band live, where a lot of the "politeness" of Trey Gunn's work was kind of lifted off, and those tunes really came alive. Underneath the intricacy is some really rocking and intelligent music; a full plate if you will. -Emory ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:50:24 -0400 From: Bayard Brewin Subject: Re: Massacre In ET#595, Chanung Park wrote: > Have you heard Massacre? A big, big second here. Awesome power trio for chops, charts and sympatico -- dates back 19 years with a different drummer (Bob Maher; only drummer I ever heard who made RotoToms sound fresh) -- all three played together in Laswell's Material from the ealy 80's. Massacre burned the roof off live. I think Hayward was with This Heat, which was another powerful RIO-style early-80's Brit group definitely worth an informed listen. Ditto your remarks on P1, and even P2 -- if the latter speaks to you, snap up any rare issue of Massacre's "Killing Time" you can, or at least the first two or three Material albums. Also, for much of the same energy in a more disassembled pots-and-pans manner, consider Skeleton Crew's two disks on ReRecords -- a consistently innovative and fun power trio (Frith again). Only weaker-constitution listener caveats are [1] strong left political content, and [2] a happy tendency with all four bands to get gloriously unglued. Bayard Brewin (hope Eb found a ship more to his/her liking) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:48:07 EDT From: Dave Lane Subject: Re: Audi Commercial and Fripp Sam Gustas wrote: >I have a boot of him with Sylvian (the boot is titled "A New Dream") which >he uses that line as a segue between Gone to Earth and Darshan. Maybe it >shows up on other releases (Like Damage, the laserdisc that DGM has for >that tour) that other fans might be able to post and attest or debunk my >assumption.. The bootleg "A New Dream" is simply the audio from the laserdisc. It was recorded in Japan. The same show also appears under a few other names. Fripp really ought to release this stuff. "Damage" is not a laserdisc. It's a CD from shows that took place in Britain. Fripp really ought to RErelease this. --Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:01:18 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: Mystery Solved? According to a gentleman on the Wire newsgroup the music we've all been so excited about on the car commercial is "Pure Morning" by Placebo. A dead ringer for a Fripp soundscape, but no. It's not on the Placebo album I have--does anyone know which one? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:39:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Basile Subject: Shirt Pocket Notes Jumbo, For thoses who wonder about Schizoid Dimension,the liner notes about Fripp make it worth the price! The music is very good indeed. I lifted the notes on a previous ET, so go to search and type in my last name at the ET web page. Does Fripp play on the David Cross/Wetton song? I had a dream that KC was touring as part of the 3 G show. Joe,then Arian, Bobby (and 4thG Trey). Must of like it. I tried to fall back to sleep to finish the dream! The Billy Sheehan post was of interest. First time I saw him and TALAS, was in Erie PA. My buddy said let's getup front,this guyisJimi Hendrix on bass. We were the only ones standing there. After the second song everyone was standing to get a glimps of this monster of a player! I attended a party afterwards in which Billy was their. I remember him and I as the only ones turning down some coke. I suggested to him that we get a bite to eat. So I bought him a Big Mac. Love the TALAS song"SEESAW". Alex Pare, I believe that "trumpet" is a guiar sound thatn is RF.Nerve NetBoppin Bobby playing "PIN GUITAR". Fripp is a surgeon on this ENO CD. Now someone help me. 1.There is a song a sultry chick sings going town,downtown where the circus is ect. Any clue who this might be? Fripp burns through the whole song, I think it is him? Warmly, Basile By The Three Rivers! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:47:31 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: Eb; Wetton's tone; Sacred Songs; Ade is as much KC as RF >I'm outta here. Eb Whew. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, pal. >3. I was listening to old KC and can't help but wonder, how the heck does John Wetton get that bass tone? Put Rotosounds on your Fender Precision, get a 100-watt tube amp through 2 15-in. JBLs, and crank it to eleven. >I don't know if any of you folks have seen it yet, but Daryl Hall's 'Sacred Songs' album has recently been remastered for cd.....I've never heard the record, but I really liked his contributions (i.e. North Star) on Fripp's Exposure, and Fripp helped out on this album as well......anyone out there familiar with the album and/or this new remaster? I had the vinyl back in the old days. The remaster sounds much, much better, more a reflection on how poor the vinyl of Sacred Songs sounded compared to Exposure or PG2 when they were on vinyl. This reissue is necessary for we Fripp historians who obsess on the past and are interested in "punk"'s effect on pop music of the time (1977 and 1978). It contains conceptual continuity clues necessary for full appreciation of Exposure and PG2. >(IMHO Ade is as much KC as RF, so I take his words as truth when it comes to the future of KC. EEEWWWW That outta get me some angry emails!!) I think it's amusing that we're talking about a guy who has been in this band for darn near 20 years (off and on), along with Fripp, a guy who keeps telling us he's not the leader, and we still have trouble with the concept that Ade is as much KC as RF is. - S. np: M-Base collection scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:20:26 -0500 From: Craig Shropshire Subject: Artist Shop has Japanese edt. of CC releases Hello, How is this possible? I thought it was assured that the CC`s were only available to members............ -CS Coming mid to late July! KING CRIMSON-DGM COLLECTORS KING CRIMSON... (3CD) $73.95 For those of you who missed out on the first three DGM Collectors Club releases, here is your chance to rectify that error (albeit a more expensive chance than had you initially joined the Club)! Japanese-only three CD collection of rare live shows previously only available through the DGM Collectors Club. Disc onecontains tracks from two different shows in '69, disc two has material from a Jacksonville show in '71 and disc three features tracks from a German show in '72. 18 tracks total. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:01:05 -0400 From: "Kempton, Mark" Subject: GIG REVIEW: Ade in Cleveland Stopped by Wilbert's to catch the Adrian Belew show Sat. night. Unfortunately, it was the hottest, muggiest night we've had this year, and the place was literally packed shoulder-to-shoulder. Not sure if there were any seats by the stage, but it was standing room everywhere else. And it was refreshing to see that Adrian had requested a non-smoking show. Too bad some people were too cool to grant his request. Since everyone's been posting reviews from Chicago, I won't go into detail. I'm not a huge fan (yet), but did pick up Young Lions a few days before the show, hoping it was a good album (it's the only one the library had in). I was pleased to see he played a lot of it. But the best stuff was the new and/or adlib stuff. I didn't care for the screeching, wandering solo he wasted ten minutes with at the beginning, but the song he played along with his son's drum track was incredible. If this is the electronica KC is heading for, I'm in. Also loved the two versions of Inner Man. The best part of the evening was that the friend I took who has no idea of KC or Adrian was psyched by the end of the night and wanted to check out my copy of Sleepless. He really liked the track Adrian played that reminded him of NIN. Not sure what it was. Anyhow, I have a convert. . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:59:44 -0400 From: tpayne at iglou dot com Subject: GIG REVIEW: Belew in Cincinnati After having read the reviews from Chicago, this gig seems to have been similar: an admirable mix of talent, technology, and warmth - certainly worth the 90 minute drive from Lexington. The venue, the 20th Century Theater, was very small - in the 300 seat range. Ade was personable, and very patient with the disposable-camera man who kept taking his picture. The play list covered Salad Days fairly completely, in addition to some interesting requests from the audience. As Adrian put it, this is Bears country, and Adrian is a native of Florence KY, which is a Cincinnati suburb. Therefore, the audience asked for, and got, some amazingly old material. He also mentioned that RF may be a guest artist on the next Bears CD. During the question and answer period, Adrian called upon a woman with her hand raised. Before she could ask her question, he asked her what she was doing there: his shows typically are packed with guys. He was very nice to her, but was trying to make the point that women like his music as well. Unfortunately, the woman, without a trace of irony, then began her question: "My husband would like to know..." Don't miss it. ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #596 ********************************