Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #593 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 593 Thursday, 10 June 1999 Today's Topics: NEWS: The Trey Gunn On-Line Store NEWS: B'BOOM! The FAQ has been THRAKed! NEWS: Belew Venue Changed - Chicago CGT-LIVE schizoid dimension Re: Contemplating 1972 Re: Elephant Talk #590, Bruford and Crimson re: Frippertronics in advertising Will 'Earthbound' ever be earthbound? ET591 you can't judge a cd by its cover BelewFX... THRAK definition(s) VROOOM VROOOM VROOOM KC Tribute on ETape The Sailor's Orgasm Discipline LP Questions regarding dates... John Wetton making a joke of Crimson Frame by Frame Great Deceiver Box Set ProgFest '99; voices in LTIA Part 1 Projekct Z ETers might like this... Re: Piracy in Russia Et 592, Safe Starless Squire Sinfield Gig News: Earthworks / Dr. Alex Paterson THRAK album cover KC Collectors' Club ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.5b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:02:43 -0700 From: "trey gunn" Subject: NEWS: The Trey Gunn On-Line Store The Trey Gunn On-Line Store is now officially open. All Trey Gunn CD's are currently available, including the new out-takes CD "Raw Power" and the King Crimson live DVD. "Raw Power", a new First World release, includes the original Raw Power recordings along with out-takes from "One Thousand Years" and "The Third Star." In addition to contributions by Pat Mastellotto, there are also several un-released tracks featuring trio performances with Dave Douglas on trumpet and Bob Muller on percussion. for more info go to: www.treygunn.com For those in the Seattle area, Trey will be performing with harmonic singer David Hykes, and percussionists Bill Rieflin and Greg Gilmore at On The Boards on June 19th and 20th. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 10:58:46 -0600 From: Steve Subject: NEWS: B'BOOM! The FAQ has been THRAKed! Elephant Persons: At the risk of hitting a nail with an axe-handle ;-), and, in anticipation of an impending dead-thread, I'll mention that the June 6 update to the FAQ contains (somewhat) definitive updates to the recent brouhaha surrounding THRAK onomatopoeia. Specifically, references to VROOOM and THRAK and their meanings according to Robert Fripp were found right under my nose, that is, in the 1995 THRAK tour programme. These references were added to the FAQ for questions IV.17 and IV.19. With regard to q/a# IV.18 "What does 'B'Boom' refer to? ", after searching Mike Stok's Crimso archive and A. Prasad's Innerviews site, I was unable to come up with a quote by Fripp, Bruford or Gunn with regard to the meaning of this title. A lot of the recent suggestions in ET about this were prefaced with phrases like "I remember reading somewhere that..." and "Didn't so-and-so say..", as opposed to citing a specific source. (Remember, citing sources is part of the research!). There was some speculation that Bruford may have said this in Modern Drummer, although a visit to their website was not helpful. If anyone can provide me with *exact* issue#, dates, etc of analogue sources, or anything like this pertaining to Internet sources, this would be quite helpful. Until then, a lot of this all remains heresay. I for my own part realised this with regard to the FAQ, and moving forward I will try to cite valid quotes and sources whenever possible. Thanks, -Steve (the FAQmaster) -- **************************************************** Steven Sthole : Software Engineer & Y2K Consultant, Computer Task Group My web site: http://home.rmi.net/~sws/indexb.html ET Faqmaster: http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm (the Robert Fripp & King Crimson website) **************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 06:37:57 EDT From: MilesTee at aol dot com Subject: NEWS: Belew Venue Changed - Chicago Adrian Belew's show @ Martyrs on June 22, 1999 has been changed to The Double Door - 1500 North block of Milwaukee (Wicker Park) same date & time - tickets for Martyrs are accepted and the show is still sold out. See you there. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:06:55 PDT From: Robert Neil Subject: CGT-LIVE I just got back from the CGT show at Borders Books in Birm., Mi. What a good show from the opening number " Train to Lamy" to the new debut of "Bohemian Rhapsody". I thought I heard the ghost os F. Mercury singing the lyrics. I was most impressed by the down to earth attitude I was able to chat with them and I felt quite honored by that. To any one who hasn't seen the Trio, do it you will not be disappointed. Toccata and Fugue and Miserlou were some of the other highlights of a grand afternoon. Opening for the Trio was "unknown to me" Tony Geballe who with his 12 string put on a great performance. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 03:58:00 EDT From: Starless19 at aol dot com Subject: schizoid dimension hello everyone... i found a copy of the crimson tribute, schizoid dimension, where i work and i was wondering if someone could tell me more about how it sounds. i have seen it around for a while, but only recently thought about buying it. if anyone can tell me if it's worth the cash and how the songs are interpreted, i would really appreciate it. i would hate to get it and have it really suck, considering i have never heard of any of the bands (i suspect they are UK indie bands?) email me at: starless19 at aol dot com thank you!!!!!! -andrew- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:19:55 +0100 From: Russell Whitworth Subject: Re: Contemplating 1972 In message , Weissenburger - Jeremy S. writes >Russell Whitworth wrote: >>Compare "Yessongs" with "Earthworks"... which band would >>you rather join? > >I assume you meant to say _Islands_, not _Earthworks_, but anyway....... Oops! Apologies for the rather confusing typo there. I meant "EarthBOUND", not "EarthWORKS". Thanks for the interesting comments from you and several others - though I find it odd that I seem to have upset someone along the way (I stand by my words). -- Russell Whitworth Home home page: http://www.anchorag.demon.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:06:48 -0600 From: Steven dot Gehring at stoneweb dot com Subject: Re: Elephant Talk #590, Bruford and Crimson >2. What really attracted Bruford to Crimson? He must have been familiar >with their early work through joint gigs with Yes, but was he aware of >he more recent material? What would cause someone to leave such a huge >success story, to join something that gave every appearance of being on >its last legs? As I recall from the companion booklet to A Young Persons Guide to King Crimson, several years prior to joining Crimson (I believe in 1970), Bruford had asked Fripp to join Yes as the band's guitarist. Fripp chose not to accept realizing that he would only feel comfortable if Yes were restructured to be more "Crimson" like. When Bruford joined Crimson in 73, he told Fripp that at the time Yes had wanted Fripp to Crimsonize Yes. Apparently, from the very early in the history of both bands, Bruford was more interested in the more improvisatory style of Crimson. A more recent interview (1994, Jazz Is magazine, I believe) quoted Bruford as saying that he always preferred playing with Crimson than Yes because Yes was too interested in "hit songs". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 22:11:20 EDT From: Jessandtom at aol dot com Subject: re: Frippertronics in advertising Can someone please identify the Frippertronics/Soundscapes currently used in the Audi car advertisement on US television? ------------------------------ Date: 04 Jun 99 10:44:54 -0700 From: "David Voci" Subject: Will 'Earthbound' ever be earthbound? Hello, I am a new subscriber to this group and I'd like to bring up a couple of points on this first entry: 1) Why haven't Earthbound and USA been issued on CD yet? I like these recordings alot even thought I've heard that Fripp doesn't do an Irish Jig over these two titles. Earthbound is quite raw sounding but this is ok by me and my memory of USA is a pretty good one so issuance on CD is certainly something to hope for but my doubts are on high. 2) I have the Epitaph live recordings and the Great Deceiver ones but am curious about the period around Lizard and Earthbound as this music, for me, is very satisfying. According to things I've read, KC archived/recorded a serious amount of their live shows so it stands to reason that tapes from this period exist. Please inform if possible. Had more to ask but brainfading now...will write again...have a good one now...david voci/northern california ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:50:25 -0400 (EDT) From: david vella Subject: ET591 Greetings Crimsoids, A brief (mere nanoseconds) respite from lurkmode to agree with stuart allison's assessment of John Wetton's Bass playing (cf. ET#591). And also to assure him that those are indeed the Beatles on the cover of "Lizard" in the "I" frame. I have always believed that each frame refers to one of the songs on the album. The "I" frame of course corresponds to the well-known Beatles parody "Happy Family" (...let their Seargent mirror spin, if we lose the barbers win...). Based on the lyrics I assume the Fab4 identities are as follows: John = Nasty Jonah Paul = Brother Judas George = Cousin Silas Ringo = Uncle Rufus If we all agree on that, maybe we can discuss which of the other frames correspond to which song on the album? (I never looked, maybe this is already catalogued on the ET FAQ page??) I'm eagerly awaiting my copy of "Cirkus"! Cheers, David Vella ==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==* David C. Vella Office: Harder Hall 219 Associate Professor of Mathematics 518-580-5291 Skidmore College dvella at skidmore dot edu Saratoga Springs, NY 12866 Home: 518-587-5363 web-page: http://www.skidmore.edu/~dvella/dcvbio1.htm ==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==*==* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 10:32:13 +1200 From: Jonathan Newton Subject: you can't judge a cd by its cover 'CV' reports a mix up involving mislabelling of DGM disc. I also received Tony Geballe's 'Native of the Rain' last year expecting delicate 12 string compositions. What I got was a punk band notable for their use of a trombone player amidst the slashing drums-bass-guitar attack. Poss Prod graciously sent me a replacement though I still haven't got a clue who the punkish band is - anyone know of a contemporary (it's pretty well recorded) band of this sort that uses a trombone player!? I wonder how common this is? Jonathan Newton Wellington, NZ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:01:20 -0700 From: Brian Mafi Subject: BelewFX... Good Evening Hippies, Think this thread died, may have been answered, but found this on Ades' site. RE: the effect Belew had on a stand In ET #588, ksimonso at st-johns dot org (KSimonso) wrote: "Hi there... After watching "The Noise" and a buncha recorded footage of the 80's KC, I'm pretty sure the box everyone is referring to is an Electro-Harmonix PolyChorus / EchoFlange / PolyFlange. The same device was marketed under those threenames." This is from a recent interview Adrian gave in a guitar mag "Another box I got so much mileage from was the Electro Harmonix Echo-Flanger. I attached it to the mic stand next to me so I could operate the knobs because they really changed the sound. It had a little notching system that let you select four of five sounds, but you could notch the switch "in between" the sounds- it would get stuck there [laughs]. And when it got stuck there it would go into this regeneration effect-regeneration of feedback- and at that point you could turn the other knobs different ways and create some very unusual, metallic, flying insect type sounds. If you left the box in this position and turned off the feedback so that it wasn't really regenerating, it would sound like something being played through a big metal tube. I used that sound for some of the Tom Tom Club songs in the '80s, like "Genius of Love," which was a big hit and was also the basis for Mariah Carey's "Fantasy" [laughs]. The song will never die!" Just the facts, Ma'am... Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 16:04:55 -0700 From: "Eric Harris" Subject: THRAK definition(s) Here are two definitions for THRAK from the mouth of Fripp as stated in "The Making of THRAK" European TV special in what appears to be a press conference: "What does THRAK mean? The meaning of THRAK -- and I'll give you two definitions -- the first one is: a sudden and precise impact moving from direction and commitment in service of an aim. And again, it's a sudden impact moving from direction, intention and commitment in service of an aim. The second definition is: 117 guitars almost hitting the same chord simultaneously. So, the album THRAK, what is it? 56 minutes and 37 seconds of songs and music about love, dying, redemption and mature guys who get erections." I know I've seen Fripp definitions for VROOOM as well, but I'll have to try and find them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:21:22 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: VROOOM VROOOM VROOOM I hope this settles the debate. From Fripp's diary: "VROOOM" describes the remorseless, unforgiving inevitablility with which the repercussions of our actions (seen & unseen) follow and hunt us down. "VROOOM VROOOM" suggests that seeking to evade the repercussions is hopeless, but we might stand up in front of the consequences anyway, acknowledge them, and try to cut a deal (alternatively expressed, attempt to negotiate a settlement). Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:47:15 -0700 From: Herb Subject: KC Tribute on ETape Hi. I just want to make sure everyone knows that Jeff Weinberger has now posted a bunch of the ET Tribute tracks on ETape. There's a lot of good stuff, including a version of "Waiting Man" by Amy X Neuburg & Men, a band I play guitar with. Check it out and let me know what you think! http://members.xoom.com/etape/kctrib/index.html - Herb -- Herb Heinz herb at isproductions dot com Herb's CD, "Failure" is here! For reviews, samples and more: http://www.isproductions.com/herb/failure.shtml For MP3 songs: http://www.mp3.com/herb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:33:14 EDT From: Goodcraker at aol dot com Subject: The Sailor's Orgasm Alright...just give me a few words to explain this. Believe me there will be nothing objectionable to any of the..ahem.."adults" who read this thang. OK...So I am driving around town looking for some yard sale where I heard there was an old dining room table I wanted for purposes of sprucing up Stately Murphy Manor, and I am listening to The Sailors Tale on an old cassette, when this thought hit me. See what the males in the audience (by the way...there is no word "audient" in either Websters or Grolliers or American Heritage dictionaries) think. Listen to the song from beginning to end, and you have a man's mind during sex. The beginning is our attempt at foreplay, the guitar in the middle is the beginning of intercourse, and the finale is the orgasm...building, building, till there is a climax of sweat and panting and a general mess....then those last notes that fade off is the man laying in bed thinking about reheating the pizza in the fridge while his wife (yes wife...there is NO premarital copulation in my realm!!) looks at him at wonders what he is thinking. I just felt the need to communicate this to all of you fresh young fellows.... And now I have to get back to sanding the upstairs of Stately Murphy Manor.....I never found my table but the better half is now out scouring Western Ave antique stores....I am sure she will be back soon with some useless crap that won't fit through the door. BTW.....Ade's Martyrs show has been moved to The Double Door.....guess Martyrs went out of business. "The town fathers will all shake their heads and cluck their tounges at my cocky strut and musky odor and say 'What is to be done with this Homer Simpson!" -HS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:20:02 -0500 (EST) From: Martin Kennedy Subject: Discipline LP I have a vinyl copy of Discipline that I'm interested in selling. Please respond via private e-mail... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:35:39 -0400 From: "Joseph A. Popp" Subject: Questions regarding dates... I'm trying to recall what year it was that I saw Robert Fripp at a "Live In Person Lecture Demo" on a Friday, March 4th at McKenna Theatre, S.F. State University. It was billed as "Some spoken words on the music system" including demonstration on guitar with tapes. Was anyone else there? I also saw Adrian Belew at the same place under the same sort of circumstance. He was promoting "Desire Caught By the Tail". The evening included talk, question and answer and some solo National Steel acoustic guitar playing. Someone in the audience offered to sell Adrian his Foxx Tone Machine. Anyone else recall this event? When was it? Both of these gigs were great stuff... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:53:58 +0300 From: "Toni Suominen" Subject: John Wetton making a joke of Crimson Jon Hill told that John Wetton on some gig played a JOKE version of The Court. How can he do that!!!! It isn't even his song. He retired from Crimson in the 70's and nowadays makes awful pop S**T. He does't have any right to make a joke of that amazing and beautiful song. Toni Suominen tono at mbnet dot fi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 20:05:46 -0700 From: Lee Coltman Subject: Frame by Frame To anyone who can help me, I am looking for a cd copy of the first disk of Frame by Frame. I had my copy of it stolen a month or so ago. I belong to DGM's collector's club but they have been unable to help me. I would even be happy to but the box set again but I have been able to locate it anywhere in the world. I love the mixes on this disk and would welcome any suggestions or leads. Lee Coltman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 16:14:39 -0400 From: "Dr. Michael Kovacs" Subject: Great Deceiver Box Set A local store has a good used copy of this available for $40 US or best offer. The store is called 'Speed City' and the phone number is 519-858-2680. It is located in London, Ontario. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 14:13:52 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: ProgFest '99; voices in LTIA Part 1 >Lana Lane & the Rocket Scientists performed a faithful version of In the Court of the Crimson King at ProgFest '99 in San Fran as their closing song. It was a nice full sound. It was an OK rendition by a six-piece group, no wonder it sounded full. The quotes of Hall of the Mountain King and New World Symphony were too obvious though, and should have been left out, in my opinion. >Porcupine Tree was impresseive as well. I too was quite impressed by them. >Then there was Buckethead, whom I had first come across as the opening act for Trey Gunn & Vernon Reid a few months back in San Fran. Definitely invited us into his own little world. I got a big charge out of it. Of Larks' Tongues, Greg Karl asks: >While we are on the topic, what about the voices at the end of Pt. 1? I would sure like to know what they are saying, where they are from, etc. - S. scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 17:23:58 +0000 From: skywalkr at netport dot com Subject: Projekct Z Did any of you ETer's get a chance to see Magma. They were at Progfest in S.F. & The House of Blues in L.A. One of the finest shows in a long time.. Was wondering If Fripp ever noticed them. How about Projekct Z (Fripp, Vander, and whoever!!!) Goodnight Now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:08:17 EDT From: DanKirkd at aol dot com Subject: ETers might like this... I was upgrading my old Talk Talk cassettes to CDs at Amazon.com the other day when I came across the 1998 Mark Hollis CD (German Import), and after a number of listens thought I'd recommend it to ETers looking around for something to try out. This is quiet stuff, best listened to in quiet or with headphones. The music is entirely acoustic, and tends to toward Jazz more than anything else in a mellow progression from Mark Hollis' Talk Talk Spirrt of Eden/Laughing Stock days. The more I listen to it (and Hollis really forces you to *listen*), the better is gets. As a tie in to KC and RF of some sort, Talk Talk was dumped by EMI once the band came up with their uncommercial gem Spirit of Eden, and the unfortunate record company vs. artist battles ensued. Mark Hollis would make a very good DGM artist inasmuch as he seems to share a number of DGM's and Robert's philosophies about the music business and music. Cheers, Dan -- It's only Talk Talk... :^) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 06:14:51 PDT From: George Khouroshvili Subject: Re: Piracy in Russia >From: Alexander Domrin >Subject: Kings - Second Chapter > >I have a spare copy of Fripp & Sylvian CD bootleg >Kings * Second Chapter (with Trey Gunn, sticks & >Michael Brook, drums, 1994.) > >Also for information of collectors: > >King Crimson USA was released on CD in Russia >and the whole series of "Crimson/Japan Family" CDs >was initiated. So far it has included: > >McDONALD & GILES (1971); >Schizoid Dimension * A Tribute to King Crimson (feat. David Cross, Brand >X, 1997); >NO-MAN * Flowermix (with R.Fripp & Mel Collins, 1995); >GORN, LEVIN, MAROTTA * From the Caves of the Iron Mountain (1997); >Adrian BELEW * The Guitar as Orchestra (1995); >The Robert FRIPP STRING QUINTET * The Bridge Between >(with T.Gunn & California Guitar Trio, 1993); >Trey GUNN * The Third Star (1996); >Pet SINFIELD * Stillusion (1973/93); >David SYLVIAN & Holger CZUKAY * Plight & Premonition (1988); >JANSEN - BARBIERI * Stone to Flesh (w/David Torn, etc, 1995); >JANSEN - BARBIERI - TAKEMURA * Changing Hands (1998); >David CROSS * Tasting to Destruction (1994); >David TORN * Cloud About Mercury (with Mark Isham, T.Levin, B.Bruford, >1987); >David TORN * What Means Solid, Traveller? (1995); >Tony LEVIN * World Diary (1995); >Andy SUMMERS & Robert FRIPP * I Advance Masked (1982). >PROJEkCT TWO * Space Grove (1998) and Live Groove (1999). >Let me know if anybody is interested in these rarities. > >Best, >Alex Hello ETers, I just wanted to warn you that these are pirate releases. The price for each CD here in Moscow is about $2,5 and musicians don't get a penny from "these rarities". Though each CD contains a note about some "license agreement" between the pirate company and Russian Authors Society, guy at RAO have no idea on these agreements. Due to the hard times we all have here in Russia I can't blame persons who buy such CDs, but I don't think ET is a proper place to trade this crap. :( All the best, George ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 03:47:55 PDT From: stuart allison Subject: Et 592, Safe Starless Squire Sinfield Some reactions: To that person who said Bruford said THRAK was to drummers hitting a drum at almost the same time I think you were refering to this quote: "I don't think there's anything at all precise about say, the Drummers of Burundi. It's the sound of lots of hands hitting drums at roughly the same time. Indeed, the definition of Thrak, as I read in one magazine, is the sound of one hundred and seventeen guitar players all hitting the same chord at approximately the same time." - Bill Bruford 1995 This is taken from the site www.swepett.pp.se/crimson/ I always thought without any real scrutiny on the matter that the cover was a weird tree with a hollow. I never really believed this but I think the person who said it was an axe head might have hit the nail on the head. When I stated in et 590 (?) that Trey Gunn has said that VROOOM meant "The hustle and bustle of Manhattan on its side" I didn't neccesarily say that the connection with cars was wrong. Having never been to America, let alone Manhattan I wouldn't know this for sure but I think I'd be right in saying that in the busier parts of the aforementioned area there would be a lot of cars/traffic and when a car (having only done this with remote control cars, this is again an educated guess) is placed upon its side it seems to look as if the wheels are going faster. I don't know if this, in the physical sense is true but I presume it would be as friction would be minimal. Off the subject altogether: has anyone noticed the amazing structural/climatic similarities that are evident when comparing KC's Starless and Chris Squire's Safe (Canon Song) which also has "suggestions" contributed by Pete Sinfield. Picked up Earthbound on Sunday for AUS$8! Having never seen it previously I was amazed to encounter 3 individual copies of it at the local record fair. 2 studio albums to go! Sorry for the long post but I hope I cleared up the THRAK story (before it becomes a dead thread) Stuart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:36:25 +0100 From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" Subject: Gig News: Earthworks / Dr. Alex Paterson Two mentionable KC-related London gigs coming up soon: 1) Earthworks are playing the Pizza Express Jazz Club, 10 Dean St., Soho, London, next Wednesday 16 June, at 8PM. I've never been inside myself, and I'm surprised they're not playing Ronnie Scott's, a block away - that would have been a good excuse to play "Dancing on Frith St." Entry is #15 - shockingly expensive, even for London, and is also the reason I didn't go to see Andy Summers there a few weeks back. Why do they bother? I note sadly that bassist Geoff Gascoyne is no longer in the lineup, so I'm glad I saw Earthworks at South Bank Centre last year when he was, as well as GG's own quintet's free Friday Evening session, also at the SBC a few months back. (They were joined by another top London sessionneer, trumpeter Guy Barker, and they cooked a few standards, and a bunch of GG's own new material, to a turn.) 2) This probably won't make to ET in time, but Dr. Alex Paterson, Orb-anist, former EG A&R person, and the "D" in FFWD>>, is doing an "ambient session" as part of the Alchemical Wedding wig-out this coming Friday night (11 June), at the Butterfly Rooms, 184 Brixton Rd., London SW2. I believe the venue is also a church, so alcohol may not be an option, or any other chemicals, despite the title. Entry is just #3, and times are 9PM to 11AM (!). Hopefully, the good Dr. is gearing up for the new Orb release, and the party looks like being an arty multimedia culture-fest. I'll see if my knees can stand the strain, and hope they serve Cappuccino. I should mention that I've only seen something similar once in the past, also in Brixton, when Alex and Kris "Thrash" Weston (ex-Orb) bent the Fridge out of shape, by taking a single vinyl click, amplifying, tweaking and triggering from it, for 20 minutes, getting louder and louder until the fuse box on the wall went "BANG" and everything went dark and silent. What was I saying about chemicals? Never mind - don't need them, just music. "Full speed ahead, and damn the torpedoes, Doctor!" Cheers... Brian Thomson, London UK bnt at email dot com / bnt at ibm dot net (going soon) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:47:07 PDT From: Alex Pare Subject: THRAK album cover I just wanted to add my opinion on what the image on the cover represents. When I first saw the album cover I was sure it was part of the face of a dinosaur, and when I saw a song called Dinosaur I figured it made sense, although nobody else I've spoken to seems to agree. Anyway the "black hole" on the left would represent it's right eye. As for the sound... Maybe THRAK is the sound of branches breaking under the weight of a huge T-Rex walking in the woods... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:14:41 PDT From: Nomad Stem Subject: KC Collectors' Club There's been a lot of complaining about DGM's decision to limit the Collectors' Club to King Crimson releases, but one consideration I haven't seen anyone mention is that perhaps the reason for this might be that making recordings available to the Club only (which is one of the points of the Club), impacts otherwise possible sales. Let's not forget the Club is a way for Fripp to combat the bootleggers. Club releases are not sold to non-Club members, so they wouldn't be sold at shows, or through other distribution channels, limiting the potential audience. The type of release we should expect to see is one that is marginal and appeals to a small audience, and might replace illicit recordings of the same material. Perhaps if their was a bootleg market for Trey Gunn or Peter Hammill, we'd see a need for Club releases from those artists, yet as it is, a mainstream release makes more sense for such material, and it is highly likely that if people are actually opting out of receiving the KC Club releases, many many more would opt out of these releases, further reducing the financial benefit. And then there is the simple fact that David Singleton and Robert Fripp are the guys that are involved in this process of selection. Involving others in the process would surely slow things down considerably. Anyway, that's my take in lieu of Fripp's own explanations. Nomad ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #593 ********************************