Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #592 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 592 Wednesday, 2 June 1999 Today's Topics: NEWS: ET Web has been re-hosted Ensamble de guitarras de Buenos Aires Thrak Album Cover and other stuff P1 - Jazz Cafe Re: ProjeKct guitars : who's who Court at Progfest Great Deceiver Onomatopeia - Thrak Help: Name that squeak (LtinA Pt. 2) Crimson in Entertainment Weekly KC related news CGT Live ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.5b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:52:16 EDT From: DanKirkd at aol dot com Subject: NEWS: ET Web has been re-hosted If you've been having trouble with ET Web lately you should be aware that we've just re-hosted the web site from our UK host to a US based host. The domain name is the same, but until all servers around the world get synched up some of you might end up still pointing to the old site. If you "ping" elephant-talk.com you'll be able to determine which one you are pointing to. The new IP address is 216.71.124.66. The new host provides us with a number of things the old host didn't, including more capacity and control. Hopefully it will also be more reliable and faster. Cheers, Dan ET Web ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:25:45 -0300 From: "Gabriel Gamboa" Subject: Ensamble de guitarras de Buenos Aires Hi! Please, visit http://www.seattlecircle.com/circles/ba/ you can see how works Guitar Craft in Buenos Aires, a review of concerts and the names who plays in this group, members of Gauchos Alemanes, for example. Thanks and excuse my poor english. Gabriel. ********************************** Gabriel Fernando Gamboa gabrielgamboa at yahoo dot com ********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:28:22 -0600 From: "Eurogas Corporation" Subject: Thrak Album Cover and other stuff In response to Jon Hill's Thrak question: Dear Jon (I've never written a Dear Jon letter before): The object on the cover of Thrak is the head of an axe, 'Thrak' being the sound of an axe striking something. I don't have the cover handy, but I know that each of the objects on the cover have the corresponding sound effect printed on the exact reverse. For example, (and I'm going from memory here) I believe that the picture of the exploding light bulb has the work 'pop' printed on the reverse, and so on. Hope this helps. -Richard Kolke Calgary, Alberta, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 19:07:43 +1000 From: "Mirva & Gye Bennetts" Subject: P1 - Jazz Cafe I think someone asked in ET589 about which guitarist was in the left channel / right channel on the London Jazz Cafe CD. On the night it was (left to right) Tony Levin, Bill Bruford,Trey Gunn and Rob Fripp across the stage. So you would guess they have put Trey in the Left and Robert in the Right. But when mixing you do not have to follow rules, sometimes the stereo spread and separation is more important than reproducing the night exactly. Of course not wanting to speak for the TonProb crew, only a personal opinion. Gye Bennetts Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:33:18 +0300 From: "Jarmo Muukka" Subject: Re: ProjeKct guitars : who's who John Peacock wrote: > > For P1 I'm guessing Gunn on the left and Fripp on the right ... > > perhaps someone who was at the Jazz > > Cafe can provide the definitive answer? > > Fripp on the right, Levin at the left, Gunn in the middle, as you say. > Bruford behind them , but I > imagine you guessed that. Like the 80s line-up with Gunn instead of > Belew. Fripp is on the right, Levin is in the middle and Gunn is on the left in the mix in Live at the Jazz Cafe CD. I wasn't there, so if you were there and saw the concert(s) you are right in real life. ----------- Brady Drum Company / Chris Brady & Craftsmen wrote: > I'm of the opinion after listening to the P1 > track on Sometimes God Smiles that Robert is on the left and Trey is on the > right. The track opens with bass and drums, then these heavy metal meets If the track in Sometimes God Smiles is 4 i 1, it is the first track of Live at the Jazz Cafe. In the beginning it sounds like Fripp is on the left, but when another guitar comes in on the right it clearly is Fripp. Fripp is usually on the right side in the mix. Gunn performes a Fripp imitation, I think. JMu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:07:25 -0700 From: Rob Cervero Subject: Court at Progfest Lana Lane & the Rocket Scientists performed a faithful version of In the Court of the Crimson King at ProgFest '99 in San Fran as their closing song. It was a nice full sound. Porcupine Tree was impresseive as well. I had heard them discussed on these cyberpages, but never took the time to listen. Sort of a cross between early Crimson, REM, and Tears for Fears, to my ears at least. Then there was Buckethead, whom I had first come across as the opening act for Trey Gunn & Vernon Reid a few months back in San Fran. I was floored by the guy's guitar virtuoso then, as I was at ProgFest. Who cares if he dons a mask and a KFC bucket. This guy's setting new standards for the six string. Check out Trey Gunn's web site for his own read on the Bucketman. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 22:35:47 +0100 From: umrk at home dot com Subject: Great Deceiver Well I thought I would never get my hands on it but today it has arrived. Hapiness. What a great treat to finally get the Great Deceiver. As suggested by another post, it can be found through www.gemm.com. The video arena place is the way to go, but they only have 12 left. Hurry. ( Fabulous music let us not forget). JZ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:11:12 +0700 From: "Dave Lumenta" Subject: Onomatopeia - Thrak Victor Herrera said something about "Thrak goes with, well, Thrak. I remember Bruford once saying (I forgot where, Modern Drummer I guess), that 'Thrak' could stand for the sound of drummers striking a drum (collectively, let's say The Drummers of Burundi) at 'roughly the same time'. (a single strike: 'tack', a collective strike: 'thhhrrrrak') On the deleted UK Live CD, what a shame. I guess I will be dead at the time we'll finally hear those magic years on CD. Is EG such a vampiric industrial parasite, that they even didn't bother to inform Wetton/Jobson about the sale of those Boston tapes to Renaissance ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:48:31 EDT From: CURUGROTH at aol dot com Subject: Help: Name that squeak (LtinA Pt. 2) Dear elephant-talkers, Does anyone out there know exactly what makes the odd squeaking and squealing sounds beginning at 2:42 in Larks' Tongues in Aspic Pt. 2 and ending precisely one minute later? They are fairly deep in the mix at first, but at the very end (3:40) it sounds to me like that damnable laughing box from the end of Easy Money recorded at half (or some other fraction) speed. Is this correct? Is it a laughing box the whole way? Or are there voices in there too? Or something else? While we are on the topic, what about the voices at the end of Pt. 1? After the crisis and tempo change at 12:22, it sounds like a collage of quotations from the dictionary (somewhere in the trs) and perhaps newspapers(?) As for during the preceding crescendo, I have long since given up looking for specific words or sense in them. The first voice (female?) seems to be a companion to the persona (the imaginary protagonist whose experience the music is), the second a threatening stranger. Does anyone have a take on these voices, an idea about what they are saying (if anything), or an opinion about there role in the piece? Thanks in advance, Greg Karl NY NY curugroth at aol dot com ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jun 99 11:31:52 CDT From: Andy Dean Subject: Crimson in Entertainment Weekly I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I just read through Entertainment Weekly's obligatory "100 Greatest Moments in Rock" issue. "In the Court of the Crimson King" is listed as one of the top five essential prog albums, and it's also listed as one of the top 100 album covers of all time. (How come "Beat" wasn't on there?) :) I thought it was nice to see a magazine, especially one that's normally obsessed with the current flavor of the week, give credit where it's due. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:44:51 -0400 From: Gary Davis Subject: KC related news Hi, folks: The latest Artist Shop newsletter is out and you'll find it in its entirety at . Meanwhile, here are some Crimson related tidbits especially for your consumption! Let's get the bad news out of the way first. It was just the previous newsletter that I'd told you of the recently released UK/Concert Classics featuring a live performance of the original quartet lineup with John Wetton, Eddie Jobson, Bill Bruford and Allan Holdsworth. Unfortunately the bad news is that this release has been deleted! I've seen much speculation in the various newsgroups and mailing lists as to how this happened, much of it pointing fingers at members of the group and accusing them of having it pulled because they didn't like the recording. I personally spoke to the folks at Renaissance Records to find out what happened. According to them, they were asked by Eddie Jobson to cease production of the CD, not because of his opinion of the recording (whatever that might be), but because of a dispute between the band and their former label, EG, as to who precisely owns the rights to the performance. Renaissance had licensed the recording from EG thinking they owned the rights to it. But according to Jobson, it's the band that owns the rights to that performance, which is why he had them cease production. Renaissance seemed to think that under the circumstances, Jobson was rather gentlemanly about the whole thing. Personally I'm not aware of the precise situation between UK and EG, but I suspect many of you are aware of the very bad blood between EG and Robert Fripp as he has documented his tribulations with them in excrutiating detail! Anyway, on to better news. On our Discipline page you'll find King Crimson's latest release, Cirkus - Young Person's Guide to King Crimson Live. Cirkus comprises 25 tracks, 15 of which have never been released! All have been completely remastered by Robert Fripp exclusively for this collection. For this 2 CD set Fripp has personally selected what he considers to King Crimson's best live performances covering all the band's line-ups from the original formation all the way to the present and including some of the ProjeKCts One and Two live performances as well! The initial pressing of Cirkus is packaged in a uniquely eye-catching, limited edition deluxe gatefold, cardboard-stock sleeve imported from Europe! On our Alchemy Records page we have a new release from the Alchemy Records founder, Jon Durant, called Anatomy of a Wish. Tony Levin is all over this CD with his extremely tasteful bass work! On our import preorder page you'll find the following: WETTON,JOHN-NOMANSLAND 1999 live album from the former King Crimson/ Asia/ UK member. Features an all-star line-up that includes David Kilminster, Martin Orford (IQ) and Steve Christy (Jadis). And on our recent import releases page you'll find: MCDONALD,IAN-DRIVER'S EYES Japanese edition of 1999 solo debut by the King Crimson veteran featuring earlier availability than the rest of the world. Guests on the album include Michael Giles, Steve Hackett, Peter Frampton and Gary Brooker. Housed in a standard jewelcase within a colorful slipcase featuring artwork reminiscent of early '80s Pat Metheny albums, it contains 11 tracks. This CD is expected to come out in Europe on Steve Hackett's Camino label in July. Ian himself told me that since the Japanese release came out, he has done a bit of remastering on a couple tracks that will show up on the European release. Spread the news! Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 09:54:34 PDT From: "Nomad Stem" Subject: CGT Live Those of you who have commented on past CGT studio releases as being less than fully satisfying, should check out their new live release, taken from performances when they were opening for King Crimson a few years ago. The performances are fuller, the occasional mistakes actually reduce the automation feel a studio recording might be producing, and many of their best tracks are present. It is certainly now my favorite CGT release. I'd still love to hear them perform Toccata & Fugue in D minor live with their new guitars. Hopefully next time around they can replace Beethoven's 5th with Bach's classic. Nomad ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #592 ********************************