Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: bozo at mando dot engr dot sgi dot com Sender: owner-bozo at mando dot engr dot sgi dot com Precedence: bulk From: owner-bozo at mando dot engr dot sgi dot com To: bozo at mando dot engr dot sgi dot com Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #30 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 586 Thursday, 29 April 1999 Today's Topics: NEWS: New DGM NEWS Mailing List New band from Germany Re: BB in Gong Mr. Belew & His Toys... Re: New KC Material oh, the humanity! Salad Days and other Adrian Mexico City Bruford in '75-'76 /National Health (none) Exposure Live Walter Steading KC in Various Media KC on Broadway 1995; Breathless; Residents; Mahavishnu crab Re: One of Hendrix's Burned Strat's RE: What is up with Adrian...? NEW DAVID SYLVIAN INTERVIEW (with Fripp content) Salad Days and other Adrian Traum, Belew, Levin Cirkus Re: Residents Too late for the Marquee (A Collectors Club Lament) Beast! Beast! Artie Traum & Other Great New Releases Network re: S.Stuart & DavidLee.Ressel for USA requests Re: Bruford 1974-76 / Gong Re: New KC Material re:KC and ELP full score songbooks for sale! Mister Mister Man in KC What's up with Adrian....part 2 oh boy oh boy oh boy Gordian Knot ProjeKcting... 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ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.5b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- From: DanKirkd at aol dot com Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 01:37:37 EDT Subject: NEWS: New DGM NEWS Mailing List Just a quick word to announce DGM's new NEWS mailing list is now taking subscriptions at http://www.discipline.co.uk/news/news.htm . Subscribers to the mailing list will receive occasional notices from DGM about new releases by DGM artists, touring dates, Collectors' Club information, and other breaking news. Cheers, Dan DGM Web ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:48:27 +0200 From: Udo Gerhards Subject: New band from Germany Hello! I just would like to introduce our progressive rock band "scythe" from Germany. One reviewer has called our music "frippin' progrock", another compared our music to "king cimson covering genesis-songs", so perhaps our music might be of interest to the one or other ETer. We have just released or first demo-recording "each other" on CD. If you would like more information on Scythe and "each other", please visit our website at http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~ugerhard/scythe There you will find bandinfo, free mpeg-samples, lyrics and much more. Enjoy! Greetings from Germany, Udo ------------------------------ From: Clive Backham Subject: Re: BB in Gong Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:39:24 +0100 Since I am probably a bigger Gong fan than KC fan (so shoot me :-), perhaps I may comment on the question posed in ET#585 by "Stephen L Arnold": On 15 Apr 99, "Michel Champagne" had this to say with < lurk mode off >: > 2) Bill Bruford played with Gong in 1975 (after Allen's > departure in 1974) as a _replacement_ for Pierre Moerlen; > another replacement was (ex- Nice + Refugee drummer) > Brian Davison. Gong did not become "Pierre Moerlen's > Gong" until 1979, with the release of the LP "Downwind." Bruford was in Gong for a short time during late 1974. It was nothing more than a sit-in gig to help out Gong and presumably earn a few sheckels. Daevid Allen was still in Gong at the time. There may be some confusion that one of Moerlen's regular stand-ins was *Laurie* Allen, and it could be that he had been the drummer immediately preceding Bruford. Pierre Moerlen never really left Gong, but as a full-time member of a classical percussion ensemble (I think it was called the "Strasbourg Ensemble", but could be wrong), he was often unavailable for concert work with Gong. Which recordings is BB on? I thought "Pierre Moerlen's Gong" included the Espresso releases the Holdsworth, etc. Actually, the only one I have that actually *says* "Pierre Moerlen's Gong" is the Live one (I think it has Mick Taylor - anyone confirm?) Bruford does not appear on any official Gong recordings. There is absolutely no doubt about this. A bootleg of a concert in Le Mans is in circulation which purports to have BB, but the quality is so poor that it's difficult to tell. There is one drum fill that sounds characteristically Bruford-ish, so my guess is that it is BB. The two albums titled "Gaseuze" and "Expresso II" are effectively Pierre Moerlen's Gong, but were credited to just "Gong" because of contractural obligations to Virgin. When the band moved to Arista, the name became "Pierre Moerlen's Gong", and they released three fine albums ("Downwind", "Live", "Time is the Key"), and one not-so-good one ("Leave it Open"). Two later albums appeared on some other label I forget right now ("Breakthrough" and "Second Wind"; neither is worth expending the time to listen to). Another live album was released recently, which I've not heard. I'm pretty sure that Mick Taylor was only on Expresso II. The famous guitarist on Live (and Downwind, BTW) is Mike Oldfield. Holdsworth is on Gaseuze, Expresso II, and Time is the Key. Clive Backham ------------------------------ From: Brian Mafi Subject: Mr. Belew & His Toys... Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:24:51 -0700 . Hello, Thought I'd add some possibly correct input on these questions/statements: And another friend told me that the burnt and thrashed Stratocaster Belew played in the "Discipline" tour was the restored Hendrix guitar that Zappa had on for a Guitar Player magazine cover. I don't believe that is Zappas' Strat Adrian was playing. Adrian is also the possessor of an old beat up Strat (see the cover of "Lone Rhino") I think he retired it prior to doing the Twang Bar King album/tour (I saw the show in San Francisco, and he was playing the Roland guitar synth with the "Twang Bar" cover motif paintjob) As for Belew's effect on a stand, I don't own the video, but it might be one of the old Roland Paraphonic GuitarSynthesizers. Adrian uses the chorus section of the Roland JC-120 amp to get those wacky, feedback, tremelo-like effects (on T-Heads' "the Great Curve", towards the end of "Thela Hun Ginjeet"). He also made a comment during the "Twang" show about the Electro-Harmonix delay box (he set up a long delay, like a loop, for "She is Not Dead", and said "hey, Fripp in a box!"). I'm guessing the effect on a stand is one of those 2 effects. Correct me if I'm wrong... Peace, Love, Bobby Sherman, Brian Mafi ------------------------------ From: "Dave Lane" Subject: Re: New KC Material Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:18:37 EDT "Gordon Emory Anderson" wrote: >Does anyone know if any of Robert Fripp's Exposure album has >been performed live? Some of those tunes (as I remember, I >only owned the vinyl years ago) would be appropriate for an >"all-new" band, most notably Breathless. The Sylvian/Fripp band had the title track in their repertoire. I don't think KC ever did it. > In addition, no one seems to mention Requiem as an interesting > tune, nor have I ever heard of it being performed. As an improv piece, it's unlikely to be repeated, although we've seen that some KC improvs can morph into compositions [Happy Family]. Requiem and Trio are two of my all-time favorite pieces of music. --Dave ------------------------------ From: Eno1one at aol dot com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:08:48 EDT Subject: oh, the humanity! Well, having joined the DGM Collector's Club too late, I missed out on the first release, Live at the Marquee. I was made aware that they may not release this anytime soon, if at all. So any member who is willing to part with their copy should address me privately. It would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. M ------------------------------ From: bass456 at att dot net Subject: Salad Days and other Adrian Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:10:19 +0000 In response to the person who couldn't find a copy of Salad Days,I have been seeing it ,as well as OZTW and Desire of the Rhino King,at Borders in Springfield,PA,right outside of Philadelphia. I even found a cassette copy of Desire Caught by the Tail at this store in the 99 cent "Winter Clearance" rack (of course there was only one and I bought it,But you get the Adrian friendly point of this store). I don't know if you'd do as well at a Borders in Washington,but it may be worth a try. Good luck!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:32:42 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Mexico City The full Mexico City concert (part of which appears on Circus) may be available from the Collector's Club in the future. In his diary Frip said (and I paraphrase): Club members may be able to purchase a recording of the entire show--if they're patient. In other words, maybe some day, but don't expect it soon. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:53:11 +0200 From: Massimo Bracco Subject: Bruford in '75-'76 /National Health In ET 585 max imu wrote : >>Bill Bruford played with Gong in 1975 (after Allen's departure in >1974) as a replacement >>for Pierre Moerlen; > > I've only ever come across one Gong live tape from >that era that might include Bill and the quality is so bad >you really can't tell. > If you want to have a good taste of that Bruford era, you may check National Health "Missing Pieces" issued on CD by Voiceprint in 1997.( www.webworlds.co.uk/the-wilderness/ ) It's the great Canterbury band which made 3 albums with Dave Stewart,Allan Gowen,Pyp Pyle,John Greaves and Phil Miller. "Missing pieces" it's an entire unreleased album from 75 & 76 and Bill sits at the drums for almost the whole CD, giving us good morsels of his style in those years. ThrakByes MAX from Italy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:21:44 +0200 From: Massimo Bracco [Unknown MIME type or encoding (text/enriched), contents not processed] ------------------------------ From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: Exposure Live Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:06:37 -0400 Hi ETers, Gordon Emory Anderson asks 'Does anyone know if any of Robert Fripp's Exposure album has been performed live?' The answer is yes, the song 'Exposure' was performed on the Sylvian/Fripp tour. Best, Robert Cambra San Francisco ------------------------------ From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: Walter Steading Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:46:11 -0400 Hi again, Carol Cherriman inquires: 'I have a copy of a single on the Rough Trade label of a chap called Walter Steading doing his rather inspired version of Elvis' Hound Dog. It has Bob Fripp on guitar, can anybody give me any info on Walter. Please contact Graham Goldwater' I love this single! Fripp at his wigged-out best. Walter Steading was part of the late 70s New York art/punk scene. Wearing bug-light glasses he played electric violin through a biofeedback devise strapped to his waist. You'll see him in the video for Blondie's 'The Tide is High' and he shows up on at least one Blondie album, too--'Autoamerican?' I know from a picture that he performed with Chris Stein and Robert Fripp on Glenn O'Brien's TV show. There was an album with the three songs from the single on the short-lived Red Star Label (the single has the best stuff) and there was a strangely dull and even more obscure 12' single Walter Steading put out with The Dragon People in the early 80s in association with Andy Warhol. That's everything I know. I wonder what he's up to now? Robert Cambra San Francisco ------------------------------ From: Godf852195 at aol dot com Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:44:50 EDT Subject: KC in Various Media Hello All!! Look for Robert Fripp's recollections on "In the Court of the Crimson King" in the June issue of Guitar World. This month's issue covers some of the great albums released in 1969. It's great to see KC listed with Led Zeppelin, Frank Zappa, and The Allman Brothers Band!!!!!!!!! Also look for KC in the "Virgin All-Time Top 1000 Albums". KC's ITKOTCK is listed at 285 (up from last time), although the writer states that, "the album flounders on Pete Sinfields dreadful lyrics and the stilted dynamics of the multi-part arrangements" Still awaiting KC VI and the Projekcts Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:27:29 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: KC on Broadway 1995; Breathless; Residents; Mahavishnu crab >Again, KC on Broadway, NYC 1995 will be CC #5, in June/July. I hope this will be an entire show, or a composite from all the shows made into one complete show. Emory likes Exposure: >Some of those tunes (as I remember, I only owned the vinyl years ago) would be appropriate for an "all-new" band, most notably Breathless. What a kick ass song. I'd love to hear that as an alternative to Red in the set list. >"The Resident guitarist especially put a more up-to-date sheen on the proceedings, producing equal parts Frippertronics and Larry LaLonde type flurries. His playing alone was well-tempered, but sonically powerful enough to give the overall sound a Crimson-like coat of paint." Hey Bob, if that was you under that eyeball, did you prefer the Aladdin Theater here in Portland, Oregon, to the Crystal Ballroom, also in Portland, where ProjeKCt 4 played? I do. >(But alas, the Mahavishnu crab cakes with blood orange mousseline are a signature appetizer--gotta be the name I guess.......!) Eat 'em real fast - about 200 bpm at least. >Based on my own experiences as a diabetic, I believe that what Bill experienced was a hypoglycemic episode...his blood sugar level crashed through the floor. Bill, you and I have something in common besides our alma mater. I hope you are feeling better. I hope there is another 10 Seconds CD on the way. - S. scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:10:59 -0700 From: Bill Lantz Subject: Re: One of Hendrix's Burned Strat's In ET #585 Bill Jacobson wrote: > Which brings me to the Fripp/Belew/Zappa connection -- a >friend saw Zappa at the "Three of a Perfect Pair" Greek >Theatre, Los Angeles show. And another friend told me that >the burnt and thrashed Stratocaster Belew played in the >"Discipline" tour was the restored Hendrix guitar that Zappa >had on for a Guitar Player magazine cover. The Strat that AB used during the Discipline tour was his own home-burned version. He did use Frank's Hendrix Strat (burned at the Miami Pop Festival) while touring with FZ in 77-78 before Bowie swiped him. Bill Lantz ------------------------------ From: "Joey Aguilera" Subject: RE: What is up with Adrian...? Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 02:18:39 -0700 >You'd think a guy like Adrian Belew, a major player in his >own right, member of one of the key progressive rock acts in >history, studio guy extraordinaire, would be easily >accessible in music stores. I actually picked mine up at a Barnes & Noble bookstore =) I have since then seen it in a couple of Towers ... dont forget you can order it at cdnow and it only takes a couple of days. Speaking of CDNOW and Belew ... I recently purchased his now very outdated Electronic Guitar video. They have a limited supply for anyone interested, it took about 4 days to get to California. Joey Aguilera ________________________ Six Degrees of Fripp http://www.indiscipline.net/fripp/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 05:03:38 -0700 From: Anil Prasad Subject: NEW DAVID SYLVIAN INTERVIEW (with Fripp content) INNERVIEWS: MUSIC WITHOUT BORDERS http://www.innerviews.org Innernews Update April 24, 1999 ANNOUNCING AN EXCLUSIVE, IN-DEPTH INTERVIEW WITH CELEBRATED SINGER-SONGWRITER DAVID SYLVIAN San Francisco, CA - April 24, 1999 - Innerviews, an award-winning, web-based music magazine located at http://www.innerviews.org, is pleased to announce an exclusive, in-depth interview with celebrated British singer-songwriter David Sylvian. Sylvian is best known for his role as the lead singer and key muse of the British avant-glam act Japan, as well as several renowned solo albums of moody, eclectic popscapes. He recently emerged from five years of silence with his latest release 'Dead Bees On A Cake.' The disc is a deeply personal and spritual effort focusing on the themes of love, devotion and divine intoxication. Join Innerviews as we engage Sylvian in one of the most intriguing and revealing interviews he's ever given. Some of the topics covered include: - The making of his new album - His spiritual awakening - Countering media and fan expectations - The drama and trauma of his collaborative approach - His evolution as a guitarist and composer - The importance of privacy and solitude - A response to Mick Karn's interest in reforming Rain Tree Crow - A behind-the-scenes look at his collaborations with Robert Fripp ABOUT INNERVIEWS Innerviews was founded in 1995 by California-based music journalist Anil Prasad. The online magazine is one of the very first Internet forums dedicated to in-depth, exclusive music interviews and record reviews. Innerviews is referenced on hundreds of webpages and receives more than 200,000 unique visitors monthly. Innerviews has been praised by The New York Times, The MIT Media Lab, Peter Gabriel's RealWorld Records/Multimedia and NetGuide Magazine for its innovative and expansive approach to music journalism. Tori Amos, Stanley Clarke, Massive Attack, Victor Wooten, Joe Zawinul and dozens of other influential musicians also acknowledge Innerviews' unique and uncompromising commitment to quality writing and research. ------------------------------ From: bass456 at att dot net Subject: Salad Days and other Adrian Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:10:19 +0000 In response to the person who couldn't find a copy of Salad Days,I have been seeing it ,as well as OZTW and Desire of the Rhino King,at Borders in Springfield,PA,right outside of Philadelphia. I even found a cassette copy of Desire Caught by the Tail at this store in the 99 cent "Winter Clearance" rack (of course there was only one and I bought it,But you get the Adrian friendly point of this store). I don't know if you'd do as well at a Borders in Washington,but it may be worth a try. Good luck!!! ------------------------------ From: Josleed at aol dot com Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:02:46 EDT Subject: Traum, Belew, Levin In response to Peter. K. Geddes posting Artie Traum's new record "Meetings with Remarkable Friends" on Narada/Virgin records. Besides Adrian & Tony, Other notables are Bela Fleck, Sam Bush, The Band, John Sebastian, David Grisman, Jay Unger & Molly Mason. It can be ordered at "roarstream at aol dot com" or Narada records 1 (800) 966-3699 I'm also told there is an upcoming Borders books tour. Hope this helps ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 15:51:39 -0400 From: sgibbons Subject: Cirkus Hey there. Small correction. Cirkus will be released in May in North America through CAROLINE, not VIRGIN. Also, one of the discs will be enhanced and feature tons of inter-active stuff to keep us all amused for a long, long time. Later, sgibbons at optonline dot net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 13:04:18 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Residents >From: John Sinks >Subject: Fripp a Resident? I saw the tour last night, in Los Angeles. *Great* show, but there's no question that it wasn't Fripp. The hand positions weren't precise enough, and Fripp would never tap his feet and move his knees around with the beat like that. Not to mention all the philosophical reasons why Fripp wouldn't opt to go on tour with the band.... I would agree that the guitar tone was Fripp-esque at times, however. But not startlingly so. Eb ------------------------------ From: "Frank J. Oteri" Subject: Too late for the Marquee (A Collectors Club Lament) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 17:04:47 -0500 I finally joined the DGM Collectors Club after months of procrastination due to limited cash and limited time to get my act together to put a check in an envelop and mail it. (I'm not joking, a friend and fellow ETer who has been constantly reminding me to join had to mail the envelop for me. This actually makes me wish that the DGM site took credit cards, but alas I digress. . .) Two days ago, I received the two '72 CDs with a note saying that the "Live at the Marquee" CD was out of stock and may never be re-issued. (If anyone knows about a lurking stash of Marquee CDs, please let me know.) This is a cause for great dismay and is a warning. If you delay joining the Collectors Club, you may very well never see the recordings again. Frank J. Oteri ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:14:17 +0100 From: Russell Whitworth Subject: Beast! Beast! The scene: I'm driving through Edinburgh on a beautiful spring morning, with my youngest son, Lewis, aged 4. The auto-changer has randomly selected "Improv: The Rich Tapestry Of Life", from The Beat Club 1972. Bruford, Cross, Fripp, Muir and Wetton are clattering away determinedly. Lewis: I'm scared of the monster, Daddy. Me (glancing around): What monster? Lewis: The monster in the music. Me: I scares me too, sometimes. ------------------------------ From: MarkJX at aol dot com Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:49:27 EDT Subject: Artie Traum & Other Great New Releases Peter - This is a phenomenal CD. I've been playing it every week on my show. Though the tune with Belew and Levin may be the best on the album, it is so not by much. Tony plays on a few cuts. Adrian only on the one. There is a rotisserie of great musicians on this CD and to only look at the Belew/Levin/Traum cut would be myopic. Highly recommended. Also getting a lot of air time is Salad Days and Tom Waits' new one; Mule Variations. Thrak On! Mark J. BTW: The title of the Artie Traum CD is a (very thinly) veiled reference to the title of a book by Gurdjieff ("Meetings with Remarkable Men"). Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:11:13 -0400 From: "Peter.K.Geddes" Subject: Belew, Levin & Traum I don't know if anyone has posted about this yet, but Adrian Belew and Tony Levin guest on the new Artie Traum album. Anybody want to offer any reviews? I haven't heard it (or anything about it) yet. Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:10:44 -0400 From: Simon Irizarry Subject: Network Is there any digital copy of this recording anywhere to be found? The version of Here Comes the Flood is unique and most excellent. Under Heavy Manners is a statement in and of itself. Wish there was a CD somewhere with these..... Network ep 1985 Jun Collection EP. 1985 remix versions. 12": 85.06 UK Editions EG EGMLP 4 (EP) 12": 1985 US Editions EG (Jem) EGMLP 4 (EP) 12": 1985 WG E'G (Polydor) 825 848-1 3'08 North Star 1'16 Water Music I 3'54 Here Comes the Flood - 6'40 God Save The King 4'53 Under Heavy Manners ------------------------------ From: "RayRaupersJr." Subject: re: S.Stuart & DavidLee.Ressel for USA requests Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 16:00:03 -0400 If ET accepts this post my response to each of your request is definitive "yes". Apparently your mail servers don't like the period in my email address and return my replies as undeliverable. My snail mail address is: Ray Raupers Jr. 22 Pine Street Waverly, NY 14892 Thanks to ET in advance for the kindness and courtesy. ------------------------------ From: "Dave Lumenta" Subject: Re: Bruford 1974-76 / Gong Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 23:54:21 +0700 1) National Health A lot of Bruford's drumming with NH are documented on the National Health's 'MISSING PIECES' compilation featuring unreleased studio outtakes and radio sessions(released by East Side Digital in 1991). Only one track ('Paracelsus') appeared on the double CD 'The Complete National Health' (also ESD, released in 1990) 2. Genesis 1976 As far as I know, the Trick Of The Tail Tour (in which BB participated as live drummer) rehearsals commenced in february 1976 (in Dallas ?) and the tour ended around september 1976. A documented film (although sometimes obstructed by unnecessary footage) of this tour is available on a Japanese LD (I forgot the exact title, Genesis Live 1976 I guess), showing interesting double drum work w/ Collins. List of songs (not in order, since I watched the film some 2 years ago): Squonk, Cinema Show, Apocalypse in 9/8, Fly On A Windshield, Entangled, The Carpet Crawl, I Know What I Like & Dance On A Volcano. The film shows Bruford's yellow hybrid Hayman/Ludwig setup, perhaps the same used on 1973/74 KC tours. For newcomers: Bruford's drumming with Genesis (all are takes from the 1976 tour) could be heard on: Cinema Show - on the double live CD 'Seconds Out' (1977) It / Watcher Of The Skies - on the double live CD 'Three Sides Live' (1982, only available on the British Virgin release) 3) Chris Squire / Steve Howe Squire's solo album 'Fish Out Of Water' (Atlantic released this album on CD, but I've heard it's already out of print. The last available CD's are German pressings) was recorded in January 1975, during Yes' break between the Relayer's LP release and its world tour which began in mid 1975. Steve Howe's album 'Beginnings' should've been recorded around the same months. GONG As far as I know, Bruford doesn't appear on any 'official' Gong album. Bruford joined for some gigs (around the end of 1974, perhaps) after the last Allen/Moerlen line-up studio release, 'You' (1974, Virgin). 'Shamal' (1976, Virgin), the next studio album, marked the Pierre Moerlen era. 'Expresso II' (1978, Virgin) featured both Mick Taylor and Allan Holdsworth. A live album 'Gong Live Etc.' released in 1977 actually features 1973 gigs (the Allen line-up) and 1974/75 radio live cuts at Ronnie Scott's. Again, no Bruford. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:51:55 +0100 From: Russell Whitworth Subject: Re: New KC Material In message , Gordon Emory Anderson writes >Does anyone know if any of Robert Fripp's Exposure album has >been performed live? "Exposure" was played by Sylvian & Fripp when I saw them in Glasgow. It was the highlight of the show for me, partly because I was struggling to take in all the new material (new to me, at least) in a challenging acoustic environment. I was quite disappointed when I bought "Damage" to find that Exposure wasn't there. Hardly surprisingly, David Sylvian handled the vocals more in the style of the Peter Gabriel version, incidentally. > Some of those tunes (as I remember, I >only owned the vinyl years ago) would be appropriate for an >"all-new" band, most notably Breathless. In addition, no >one seems to mention Requiem as an interesting tune, nor >have I ever heard of it being performed. Seconded. -- Russell Whitworth http://www.anchorag.demon.co.uk/ ------------------------------ From: tpayne at iglou dot com Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:28:42 -0400 Subject: re:KC and ELP full score songbooks for sale! Given RF's statement that KC sheet music would never be published, methinks this reeks of piracy. Can anyone confirm/deny that KC or ELP are receiving any royalties from this? Thomas Payne ------------------------------ From: "Heilbronner, Mike (I)" Subject: Mister Mister Man in KC Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:52:30 -0700 In ET 585, lordmuck56 at att dot net wrote: >No offense please, but I cannot imagine folks from >"Tool" and "Primus" in any band that dared to call itself >King Crimson. No offense, but I suspect that, in the mid 1980s, one would have said the same thing about "folks" from Mister Mister. Pat M didn't add much to the double trio, but he rocked dynmanically with P4, and I'm psyched for the new KC. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:18:33 -0400 From: jmewbour at macroint dot com (Jeffrey Mewbourn) Subject: What's up with Adrian....part 2 Much thanks for the many responses received in my query of how to get a hold of Adrian's "Salad Days." A common theme that several of the suggestions offered was to check out CDnow, Amazon.com or one of the many other on-line stores. Unfortunately, I may be one of the last bastions of people who are still wary of supplying credit card info over the Internet (it's just not worth the chance of having some idiot get a hold of the info and driving me into debt). So, naturally, I'm limiting the resources I can utilize to locate the music. Still, I think all I needed was to publicize my fruitless efforts for the gods to smile down on me....after making an initial order at Waxie Maxie's close to a month ago, I called and the disc actually arrived today. I finally get my "Salad Days"!!! Thanks to all who wrote and made suggestions and comments. Jeff ------------------------------ From: "Johannes, Gary" Subject: oh boy oh boy oh boy Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:46:46 -0400 Getting psyched to loathe and despise the next KC if it doesn't live up to my expectations by covering The Battle of Glass Tears!Well, we'll see. I do wonder whether KC can ever again pull off the sort of musical ambush exemplified by ITCOTCK, LTIA and, uh, D (if that's how we abbreviate Discipline...). Let's face it, all the long-time supporters will be looking very closely this time, so it may be hard to take anyone but first-timers by surprise. And fair enough! The 4-piece looks like a winner - let's see what results.Okay, we've had a good bunch of ProjeKingcrimsonts now, lots of the old R&D, various permutations, etc. It strikes me that the R&D in these fractals was limited to instrumentalizing. No vocal explorations (unless you count Mr. Belew strapping on the acoustic here and there during P2, which I don't). What's up with that, I wonder? What would a vocal-less KC be like, and are we likely to find out? Okay, I'll start: I'd be interested. The voice, rightly or wrongly, has never been central to this band, at least not since album #1. Which isn't to say that we haven't heard a lot of fine singing from Messrs. Lake, Wetton and Belew (and Haskell and Anderson and Burrell) (and Levin!) over the years. But just how crucial to the "way of doing things" has the singing been? Is it an accident, for instance, that in ET survey #2, of the ten favorite KC tracks, five were instrumental? IMHO, the last really convincing KC vocals were on Discipline, whose vocals were certainly the most experimental the band has ever recorded (all the spoken word, use of candid recording, etc.). It would be nice to have more work in that direction, but I don't think we're going to see it at this point. No offense to Belew, especially since he's got a well-established solo career, but I would get a major kick out of this quartet doing without vocal cords entirely. Honor sufficiency and all that. I am looking forward to this! Revelations driving past churches aside, the double trio always struck me as Fripp trying to keep everybody else happy. I think he may finally feel able to do as he pleases - look out, unsuspecting world...? Gary Johannes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:55:28 +0200 (CEST) From: a dot rampini at bias-net dot com (Antonio Rampini) Subject: Gordian Knot Hullo ET'rs, alexis rondeau on ET 583 wrote: > (...) there is a Gordian Knot cd out there featuring Trey >Gun. Any informations about it? Has anybody bought it? Is it >worth the investment? I've heard a song on radio (not >comercial radio of course!) and I thought it was great (...) Yes, definetely! I found it in my little CD Shop while looking for other stuff - and I was particoulary intrigued by the comment of the shop owner when I asked him about how was "Gordian knot" like. He answered me something like "hmmmm, I prefer Cynic's, that CD has too much of King Crimson on it for my ears..." (!!). Of course I got it *immediately*! The disc is featuring Trey with former components of Cynic, a heavy metal band I have never heard befor (a good heavy metal band, someone told me - maybe other ET'rs will know something more accurate about them). Well, in a word: there is really a lot of the latest Trey's work ("The third star") in, sait a dire lot of "crimsonic" and not much of heavy metal, as the Cynic's presence could suggest. Well, songs are really complex, with most of the strings playied just one over the other (some times in the typical Fripp/Belew complicated "crescendo"); drums are played with taste, and also Trey is having a good time with the rest of the band. One can feel they have enjoyied their playing, definetely (all the songs are instrumentals), and the music is... well, is difficoult to find the words, let's say not just a cold way to demonstrate they are all able to play their instruments at the prog-state-of-the-art way, but warm and intelligent, you know, in a "friendly" atmosphere/sound. The group is trying IMHO to tell us all (and probably also to confirmate to themselves) "something", and not just making futile practise. So, is it worth the investment? In my opinion, yes. PS I just can't stop listening to DGM CC 3, the Muir-full one. Thank you RF for the gift you have made us. But it looks like the best (or the "beast", as from RF diaries) is yet to come... A presto - Antonio ------------------------------ From: David MacLennan Subject: ProjeKcting... Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:53:23 +1200 Like some others on this list I too, frustrated by the endless delays in releasing the ProjeKcts live stuff in the West, forked out megabucks for the Japanese imports of ProjeKct One - Live at the Jazz Cafe and ProjeKct Two - Live Groove. They arrived the other day, and have hardly been out of my player since! If these discs are any indication of where the Greater Crim will be heading in their next incarnation, then I for one will be very pleased indeed. Both discs are hot stuff to say the very least, and for me show that these guys are still out there pushing the boundaries, as KC have (nearly) always done. While I liked the THRAK-era stuff a lot, I'd have to admit that it didn't really cover any ground that hadn't been covered before. But the ProjeKcts are boldly going where no Crim has gone before. Of the two, at this stage I prefer P1, probably because it has something of the feel of the '73-'74-era improvs (my favourite Crim era). There's some seriously intense stuff here, especially the pieces from the 4th night. But there are also gentler moments with a real sense of space about them. And let's face it, any recording with Bruford and Levin as the rhythm section can't lose, right? Neat PJ Crook cover art too. (An aside: in the liner notes, Fripp speaks highly of this 4th night. Dare I suggest the full concert would make a good Collectors' Club release? And what about some more posters of PJ Crook's artwork? I think her work is the best KC cover art since Lizard, or at least Young Person's Guide. Compelling and dreamlike with lots of detail.) P2 takes up where Space Groove left off, and take it so much further. The V-Drumming is much better than on the first P2 disc, as one might expect. Some great stuff here, especially Heavy ConstruKction and X-chayn-jiZ, and the so-called "lounge" version of 21CSM is a lot of fun too. This stuff is well funky in places, my only disappointment being the basslines, which are a little colourless compared to Levin's work on P1. And a quick note on the Fripp vs Fans controversy: after 21CSM there's a long pause then more audience sounds, before an announcment over the PA requesting whoever took a flash photo to hand in the film NOW or the gig won't continue. Listening to the inane brayings of some of the more Neanderthal audients, I have every sympathy with Fripp not wanting personal contact with them. Some of them sound like total dorks, and that's being kind to them. Roll on the ProjeKcts Box and the P3 and 4 stuff therein. Fripp's comments in the Diary about P4 already have me slavering for this stuff. (And a final off-topic comment: check out Peter Hammill's latest studio album This -- I'll be darned it it isn't his finest album of the 90s!) David Maclennan ------------------------------ From: "D. Chinn" Subject: Loop guitar in London Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:25:44 +0100 While we're waiting for Robert's next surfacing in London, England, does anyone else know of any loop guitar type occurrences happening around the capital? The States seems to have a mass of Crafties on Warrs 'n' Sticks 'n' stacks of gear to choose between - over here in Britain circumstances aren't so generous. One homegrown guy who is worth checking out, though, is Mike Bearpark, whom some of you might have heard on the Richard Barbieri/Tim Bowness album "Flame", and who plays in a sort of intense, broody, billowy Fripp-cum-Frisell manner. Mike's now playing with Tim Bowness again in a ProjeKCt-like improvising trio called Darkroom, and there's usually some news on the Darkroom page at http://www.collective.co.uk/darkroom, but it all seems to have gone quiet recently. I do know, though, that Mike is playing a couple of concerts with Tim Bowness in London at the 12 Bar Club - one on May 6th and the other on June 17th - this time in a more song-based vein. It's for an "ambient folk" project called Samuel Smiles, who apparently have a strange crepuscular cover version of "Two Hands" on their debut album, so they may even play that - who knows? (Tim Bowness did of course work with RF on the third No-Man album). Another guy on a sort of Fripp-Frisell tip is David Cooper Orton, whom I saw at the British Library foyer last year: a sort of country-tinged Frippertronics thing. He did have a website at http://subnet.virtual-pc.com/~or387751/ last time I looked. A guy called Dean Carter used to do a very lovely thing he called "psycho-ambi-delia" with his Psychomuzak project - does anyone know what's happened to that? Oh well, may as well wait on Earthworks impending visit... Dann dchinn at btinternet dot com ------------------------------ From: "Anonymous01 Anon1" Subject: Earthbound LP on Ebay Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:12:04 -0700 I have a moderately used 'Earthbound' LP for auction on Ebay. Also, a near mint VHS-NTSC '3 of a Perfect Pair - Live in Japan' tape. Thanks, Anon1 ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #586 (thanks John!) ********************************