Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #572 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 572 Sunday, 14 February 1999 Today's Topics: NEWS: Europa String Choir - Tour dates NEWS: Mujician at the FIMAV NEWS: King Crimson Club in Yahoo NEWS: Trey Gunn in SF NEWS: Guestbook is BACK!!!! NEWS: Adrian Media Blitz Sacred Songs DEJA VROOOM - playable on normal CD? Re: In Defense of Mr. Fripp (ET571) Neurotica Starless 74 and Greater Crim 99 Re: Indie Vroom Re: [Rhino] Life is Beautiful External Links Found, But Out of Bounds Annette Peacock Re: Trey Gunn replaces Bill Laswell in SF shows Did he really say that? External Stuff Piano Undisguised distaste re: Sacred Songs, USA, and album art Crimson, Fripp, Eno and er...Toyah vinyl for sale. Fripp on stage. RE: RF--The Lady & The Tiger(variations thereof) bartok priate discussion Sex, Sleep, Eat Drink Dream Bonus Tracks! New Standard Tuning String Guages t shirts Re: Cover variations, and a paradox Michael Hedges and KC Bears T-shirt GIG REVIEW: CGT in Edinburgh, Scotland, Mon 9 Feb 99 GIG REVIEW - Earthworks ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.5b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:21:07 -0000 From: "Udo J. Dzierzanowski" Subject: NEWS: Europa String Choir - Tour dates Dear ET readers, We're happy to announce a short ESC tour of the south of England. Please find the tour dates below. The line-up is the new quartet format: Cathy Stevens - 6 String Violectra Udo Dzierzanowski - Guitar Alessandro Bruno - Guitar Markus Reuter - Warr Guitar Monday 15 February - 22.00 Mr. Smith, Bournemouth (Acoustic Night) Wednesday 17 February - 20.00 Coventry Arms (Pub), Corfe Mullen Thursday 18 February - 20.00 - Mr. Smith, Bournemouth Saturday 20 February - 12.00 Midday - Salisbury Arts Centre, Salisbury Saturday 20 February - 20.30 - Zodiac Club, Oxford Sunday 21 February - 19.30 - Dorchester Arts Centre, Dorchester We hope that many of you who are interested in our music will be able to attend these dates, and we look forward to seeing you! For those in the US, please note that we are in the process of planning a tour of North America. We will announce details as soon as they become available. For more news and updates, including a new mini CD, please visit the ESC website at: www.dscplne.demon.co.uk Many thanks for your support! Udo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 03:08:05 -0500 From: "Louis Courteau" Subject: NEWS: Mujician at the FIMAV Greetings. Please be advised that the 16th Festival de musique actuelle de Victoriaville, which will be held from 16-20 May in Victo (Quebec) has secured the services of the band Mujician, with Paul Dunmall, Tony Levin, Paul Rogers and Keith Tippett. The leaflet I received from the FIMAV doesn't specify which day Mujician will be playing, but they're second to last on the 26-concert list, which also includes the likes of Kampec Dolores from Hungary, Milford Graves/John Zorn, Gunter Muller/Jim O'Rourke, and many more that I have never heard of. So I would safely bet they will be playing on 19 or 20 May. A festival passport for 250$ CDN taxes included may be purchased at fimav at cdcbf dot qc dot ca. I don't think regular tickets are out yet - check it out at www.cdcbf.qc.ca/FIMAV. Any information available on this band would probably be of interest to most ETers, and certainly to me. And as a PS to my post re: Starless live in Montreal, this was May 3, 1974, and NOT one of the last KC 70s concert. They played 2 more nights (in Hamilton and Detroit), then stopped touring for a month before a last American tour all June. Quebec City's concert of 25 June was a week before the end, but I didn't attend this one. The last two (as everybody knows) were Providence and Central Park. louis courteau loco at caractera dot com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 12:31:43 +0100 From: "Scheepers, Hans" Subject: NEWS: King Crimson Club in Yahoo Hi everyone! In order to exchange our news and findings on a more day-to-day basis about the greatest band ever, I founded a new club in Yahoo. You can find and subscribe via: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/kingcrimson Cheers, Hans. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 11:15:25 -0800 From: cluesump at sirius dot com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) Subject: NEWS: Trey Gunn in SF Hi all, Just want to remind you guys who live in the Bay Area about the show at the Maritime Hall in San Francisco on Friday, Feb 26th. Vernon Reid (x-living color) - guitar Trey Gunn (King Crimson) - warr guitar/chapman stick Percy Howard - Vocals Charles Hayward - drums Giant Robot II featuring Buckethead & DJ Disk Pinchface & Lou $18 in advance $20 at the door Usually general admission. If you are in San Francisco I believe that you can buy the tickets from the guitar center store and some record stores that sale tickets for the Maritime Hall because they are not available at BASS. I got my ticket from ticketweb.com. (will call). Maritime Hall 450 Harrison & 1st Street Phone: 415-974-0634, 974-6644 Take care all, AE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump ICQ: #13676703 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 13:36:51 -0600 From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <4wg7kolodzie at vmsb dot csd dot mu dot edu> Subject: NEWS: Guestbook is BACK!!!! Greetings all, I'll actually start with the second part of the subject line, because it's shorter. I noticed on the Newsletters page that the last topic listed as verboten is "the demise of the DGM guestbook," under which is the statement: "ETers are encouraged to find more appropriate forums for these issue (sic), such as the DGM Guestbook." Hmmmm. That's because if you click on that link, it takes you to the Guestbook, which actually has current posts on it!!! WOOHOO! Too bad I, personally, have nothing worthy of asking/telling Mr. Fripp at this time. BTW, about the 21stCSM cover, I have heard on here that the latest batch of covers was the wrong color, but I'm not sure if it was in the States, Canada, or who-knows-where. I do know that it was the right color last year when I bought it. A lot of record stores around here only have Absent Lovers though (and only in blue at that!), and even if they did have a copy, it would probably be old, so I can't really confirm that. Justin A> Kolodziej -- DU DU HAST DU HAST MICH... --Rammstein ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 15:08:49 -0600 From: "Rob Murphree" Subject: NEWS: Adrian Media Blitz Hi ET! I just wanted to remind everyone to drop by the Adrian Belew WWW Site to catch up on all the latest happenings in the world of Belew. There are many new interviews and reviews from various sources regarding Adrian's latest release, SALAD DAYS. www.murple.com/adrianbelew/reviews.htm Also, Adrian has submitted his OFFICIAL lyrics to his entire solo career as well as his songs from Discipline, Beat, Three of a Perfect Pair, and Thrak. King Crimson official song lyrics included are: Elephant Talk, Frame By Frame, Matte Kudasai, Indiscipline, Thela Hun Jingeet, Neal And Jack And Me, Heartbeat, Waiting Man, Neurotica, The Howler, Three Of A Perfect Pair, Model Man, Sleepless, Man With An Open Heart, Dig Me, One Time, Cage, Sex Sleep Eat Drink Dream, Inner Garden, Dinosaur, People, and Walking On Air. So if you've have any doubt as to what he's singing, stop by the Belew site and read for yourself. http://www.murple.com/adrianbelew/lyrics.htm Adrian was very generous to take the time to do this and I thank him for it. See you at the Belew site. www.murple.com/adrianbelew -Rob Everything Adrian Belew Your Complete Guide to the Twang Bar Rhino King!!! Rob Murphree's Adrian Belew WWW Site http://www.murple.com/adrianbelew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 16:16:05 -0500 From: "Dan B." Subject: Sacred Songs 'Sacred Songs' is just good, dry-sounding pop music: nothing more, nothing less. "Urban Landscape > NYCNY" is an incredible track--for all the reasons you would expect. (Interesting comment from Craig Winter about the relaxed-speaker.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:43:28 +1300 From: David MacLennan Subject: DEJA VROOOM - playable on normal CD? I asked this once before but met a deafening silence (figuratively speaking), so I'll ask it again now that the thing is released: Is there any part of the audio track on the Crimso DVD that is playable on a normal CD player? Answers off-list, if you like, to David dot Maclennan at moc dot govt dot nz Thanks, David Maclennan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 18:13:37 -0500 From: "Troy ><> Fisher" Subject: Re: In Defense of Mr. Fripp (ET571) > Is it true that RF portrays > a stage presence that is enigmatic, cold, and distant in > relation to his audience? Sure. Does RF covey an > unapproachable and overly philosophical demeanor? So it > seems. That is the person Robert Fripp. This defense of Fripp is honorable and admirable. However, after seeing his soundscapes in Philadelphia, PA not too long ago, I have to say that while he may seem distant and unapproachable in some venues and with some groups, he seemed to really enjoy sitting down with the audience and sharing his experiences and views during that performance. Troy Fisher Computer Science '01 The College of New Jersey RCC/PA for Travers Hall That's not a RES.net problem! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:07:07 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Neurotica >From: deafjim at webtv dot net (James Crary) > > Fripp's right. Why seek out people you know you >dislike? I'm glad he established house rules to keep people >like me out. It makes it possible to articulate the desire >not to participate anymore. > Although I won't expect leniency should this "oath" be >broken, it's not the fear that compels me, but the >opportunity. In a free world, that's how it should be. Incidentally, for those who don't know, James' internet resume also includes a series of bizarre posts to the Beatles newsgroup about the "plot" to kill John Lennon (see http://angelfire.com/me/carcano/mc.html for a taste). So feel free to file his observations squarely under "take 'em with a grain of salt." And now that I've seen his picture via his website, well...let's just say that it didn't do much for his credibility. >From: "john knight" > >So I have taken it upon myself to review >the two shows I saw at the Parkwest in Chicago on June 3-4 >of 1998. > Before I begin officially, I need to talk about why I >feel qualified to be a reviewer. First of all, I have a >bias towards King Crimson since they are my favorite >professional band. Isn't that more a reason why you're NOT qualified to review King Crimson? Eb PS Your favorite PROFESSIONAL band? Why the qualifier? Are there "unprofessional" bands you enjoy more? np: XTC/Apple Venus I (not as spectacular as it could've been, but dammmmn good) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:40:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Antoine W. Caron" Subject: Starless 74 and Greater Crim 99 1. Louis Courteau wrote >I saw and heard in complete trance Mssrs Cross, Wetton, >Bruford and Fripp offer a perfect rendition of Starless in >the Montreal Forum concert-hall style,..... >I don't have the exact date of that >Montreal concert, but I know it was very near the end of the >last 70s tour. from the YPGTKC booklet: May 3, 1974. I should know, I was there too!! Unforgetable. I wonder if Mr.Fripp has a tape of this in his vault... 2. For those who still don't have it, or don't have a lot of DGM records, I cannot say enough of the Sometines God smiles sampler.It is an extremely rich and varied assemblage. Discoveries for me, like Mr McFall's Chamber and Tony Geballe (the haunting Native of the Rain), and rediscoveries like Hammill and Bill Nelson. Bill's contributions, in particular are like the "glue" holding this stuff together. RF's soundscape excerpts are judiciously chosen and very moving. And that memorable Fripp solo on the Nightwatch's Easy Money. It's hard to imagine a more stunning compilation than this one. 3.The ProjecKCts are cool.However, it is too bad that while the Greater Crim's reappearance seems to be desired by its members and its audience, it might not happen because of the expenses and complexities of touring such a large outfit. Perhaps a solution might be for the G. Crim to perform in one location per continent and broadcast live on satTV or the internet (on a Pay-per-View kind of basis). Hate that Pay-per-View name, though. Gotta find a prettier moniker... Just a thought Antoine Antoine W. Caron awcaron at total dot net antoine dot caron at nrc dot ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 22:15:59 +0000 From: "Neil Corkindale" Subject: Re: Indie Vroom Can anyone help me out with the artwork of the boot "Indie Vroom"? Thanks Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 00:05:57 -0500 From: Bayard Brewin Subject: Re: [Rhino] Life is Beautiful In ET569, CraigWinter at webtv dot net (Craig Winter) wrote: > Am I the only one who sees a resemblance between Adrian > Belew and Roberto Benigni? To a point -- one should hope Ade never accepts a paying gig from Blake Edwards. :-) Bayard Brewin [Could Bill Kent be the Mencken in our midst?] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 00:50:53 -0500 From: Bayard Brewin Subject: External Links Found, But Out of Bounds In ET571, "Stephen Goodman@Work" posited: > We've heard a goodly amount in the past about RF's affinity for Steven > Seagal films... > > I'm wondering lately, What Does Steven Seagal Think Of RF's Music? Doesn't this presuppose something? :-) Handy pop kulchah rubric: if somebody changes their name in mid-career, look out. Later, Bolinhed at aol dot com exclaimed: > Students: "Fripp, Murray, and Gurdjieff. Please respond in > essay format" Three degrees of separation: Murray --> Groundhog Day --> Nimbus --> Rodney Toady (GG&F). Later still, "Fabio Palmieri" wryly pointed: > A few years ago, an italian beer company used some 20 > seconds of 'Epitaph' from ITCOTCK in their TV spot. The > funniest thing about it (which alone completely compensates > and refunds Messrs Lake, Sinfield, Fripp, Mc Donald & Giles > for this unauthorized use of their music) is: due probably > to the Advertisor's ignorance of the english language, the > spot opened up with the words: "...IS IN THE HANDS OF > FOOOOOLS..." (!) Doubtless the product of the same nefarious agency hacks that talked Phillips NV into using a Beatles theme song that includes lyrics about domestic abuse, Pepsi into a Stones song about plantation rape, and Blockbuster into a Bryan Ferry critique of cliquishness. Ain't marketing grand? Bayard Brewin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:12:55 -0000 From: "Martin T" Subject: Annette Peacock Dear E.T'ers Can anyone tell me what became of Annette Peacock (vocals and co-writer on Brufords' Feels Good To Me. I vaguely remember an album called 'X' or something like that around 1978-79 ThanKCs Martin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:17:10 EST From: Mulugalb at aol dot com Subject: Re: Trey Gunn replaces Bill Laswell in SF shows Hello everyone - there were a couple of recent posts regarding a couple of shows that Trey Gunn is playing with Vernon Reid in SF later this month. It appears that this is an updated version of the band Meridiem that recently played here in Portland with Trey taking over the bass spot from Bill Laswell and Vernon Reid taking over the guitar spot from Fred Frith. Apparently this is the project of Percy Howard and was produce by Laswell - below is a clipping of Percy Howard yelling at me in the alt.bill-laswell usenet group because I thought it was a Laswell/Frith project --snip -- A note to all who are interested. Meridiem is not an instrumental project. It is not just more of what you would expect from Bill and fred, but is a project generated by me, Percy Howard. And if you are aversed to strong, intimate, male vocals, with lyrics that deal with transcendence, death, lust, and the revision of spiritual priorities, then frankly, you should stay home. This project was generated and produced by me, and I am not an appendage on the side of either Bill or Fred in this project...they are playing my music. So be fairly warned as to the intention and content of this project. Open your heart and your minds wider, and you may experience a new side of all of the musicians involved in a context that is completely unfamiliar to you. Percy Howard --snip -- Our man Anil Pasid's Innerview Page (see links section) gave the cd the following review along with 4-stars --snip-- ... The fact that Laswell, Hayward and Frith -- three heavyweights who aren't exactly hard up for work -- were willing to sign up should provide insight into the disc's quality. Whether Howard's voice and songs are soulful, seething or soothing is a matter of interpretation. But that's part of the indefinable charm of Meridiem. It goes where you're willing to take it. -- another chap on the Bill Laswell group said this - Great music (as you'd expect), but awful vocals. Makes Bono soundrestrained... Thats it from me - Metin / Portland OR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 14:51:50 -0500 From: TJ Mathews Subject: Did he really say that? >From: jonah stein >3.... RF also stated that he wasn't happy about the >tradeoff of his time cataloging and working on the archive >versus creating new music. . The evidence seems to >indicate the DGM Collector's club will continue as long as >RF and the fans can muster the enthusiam. The initial idea of the club and it's inception seemed to occur within a heartbeat of each other. I expressed views contrary to the club _because_ I prefer that Robert focus his energy and time to creating new music. I was told, "no no he'll have others to help the club along" - "hah" I replied. So if he did say this or something of this nature I venture that my concerns are now validated. (You may not care.) So think about it. I assume that most of us have experienced, to the extent we can, the real crim thing. If it came down to the Club going beyond the first six releases and your chance to seen live Crim, which would you choose? Obviously those in locations where crim is not expected to visit have an obvious pick here. (You may move. (uh-oh)) )-) frisbee on head tj dumela at tidalwave dot net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:33:14 -0500 From: David Todd Subject: External Stuff I do not presume to speak (or squeak) for Monsieur Fripp, but let me toss some bones in from the viewpoint of a musician and composer. External stimulus is extraordinary if you are well tuned to it. Turning that off so that you retreat inside can be a valuable ability, but it is anathema to performing. Performing is an attempt to connect with audience on some level. The only way you can connect is to be open to their influence. The problem with this openness is that you are vulnerable to shock and abuse. How those concepts are defined varies from person. However, most people are shocked by a flash from a camera, even when they are expecting it. It's a whole bunch of photons suddenly banging your visual cortex, then straight on into the brain. Flashing light is well know for inducing seizures in people. It's rarely pleasant. Any healthy person has a certain amount of capacity to recover from this shock. But after a while the capacity erodes, till it becomes impossible to be unaffected. This is not psychological. A friend developed a problem with his ears that made it impossible to go to lectures, because people around would making *any* noise. Jingling change was painful to hear. Now imagine our Fripp, flashed at for 30 years. That's a lot of photons. That's also a lot of rude folks, talking during concerts, yelling things during songs. It makes me annoyed just hearing about it. But one can move beyond that, in many cases. But a flash is over the top. Think about it. How do you feel after some has taken a flash picture of you. Even if it was some you like, for a purposed you approved of. When the flash goes off, I have a second of reaction to the flash. My brain is saying "Bright Light!", and my pupils are contracting suddenly. Science has recently demonstrated that you can detect light over your whole body. Remember this: Fripp's instrument for producing *sound* is a guitar and effects. His instrument for composing *music* is his brain. That thing right behind his *eyes*. -- Hacksaw = David Charles Todd GTEI-BBNT = Hacksaw's Employer Hacksaw's Opinions != GTEI-BBNT's Opinions Linux understands you. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 18:18:41 -0500 From: knmcarr at interactive dot net (Kevin Carroll) Subject: Piano Hello. For a long time now, I have wanted to learn how to play the "Lizard" piano part. Is there anyone out there that knows where I could get my hands on some sheet music for the song? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 16:52:53 PST From: "Christopher Lange" Subject: Undisguised distaste Thanks for posting this. First, let me say that I was very impressed with ET#571. It seemed as though there was a refreshing amount of thoughts and discussion this time, in stark contrast to the continuous stream of turgid DVD reviews. I am very disheartened to read Craig Winter's commentary on the personality of Mr. Fripp and the KC crew. If you don't like what they are doing, stop listening to them! I was present at the June 4 showing of proJeKt 2 in Chicago 1998. I thought Mr. Belew's drumming was extremely adequate. Exemplary, even. I play bass (thank you, Mr. Levin!), and I know how hard it is to be a musician of good caliber on ONE instrument, much less two. I think the bottom line is this: Fripp, Belew, and all the rest do WHAT THEY WANT. At this point, their stature as musicians pretty much guarantees that. After listening to all that they are capable of doing, both in- and outside of KC, I think these gentlemen deserve more respect. C. Lange ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 23:11:54 -0700 From: Bill Lantz Subject: re: Sacred Songs, USA, and album art in ET #571, Boomstick Industrie wrote >I just listened to the CD, and yes: NYCNY ends suddenly, then there is some record surface noise and a needle lifting off the record. Never noticed that before... Thanks for checking and thanks to the guys who emailed me privately. If I was taking a survey, I'd say this was a little known fact, as was was the news about Side 2 of USA (thanks to Joe Hartley - jh at brainiac dot com for that info). I've only had the album for 23 years and never noticed that, I guess I figured it was an abrupt edit, like he currently employs on The Great Deceiver live set. I just checked my creaky cassette version (EG-KCC 9) and it fades out slowly and then you can hear what sounds like Fripp and Eno for the audience exit. Hey - an alternate ending! A good 40 seconds longer. PS. To see what happens when Fripp and Hall really get together, you might want to check out my custom CD cover: http://interlog.com/~kabong/fripp.html Great! Now if you could add Peter Gabriel II in there - RF would be hard pressed to top that for artwork for a trilogy box featuring outtakes, photos, notes, enhancements, interviews - well it's a thought anyway. Speaking of interesting combinations, one day I'd like to see Cal Schenkel (see F.V. Zappa fl. 1958-1993) artwork on a Robert Fripp, King Crimson or Adrian Belew release. I'm enjoying the current work of P.J. Crook a great deal too. Very reminiscent (for me) of the Paul Whitehead early Genesis covers (Foxtrot and Nursery Chryme). They capture your imagination and make you look at the tiny details that are all part of the entire moment. It would have been nice to see LP releases for the recent Crimson releases, nothing beat the 12X12 image of great album art. Fortunately, DGM made a poster available for the Epitaph artwork. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 11:22:34 +0000 From: Gary Noack Subject: Crimson, Fripp, Eno and er...Toyah vinyl for sale. Fripp on stage. Sorry to make my first post so commercial but I thought I'd give you people first crack at some of my spare Crimson and related vinyl. I also have the Damage Promo CD (any one want to swap it for the real thing?) up for grabs. Any one that's interested can email me or something. Fripp on Stage: My contribution to the Fripp is snooty/cold/dismissive/generally strange thread. I've seen him perform in all the incarnations of Crimson and the Projekcts ('cept three) as well as dragging myself down to the Albert Hall for his gig with David Vaseline and on each and every occaison he played guitar quite well. What more can we reasonably expect from him? He is, after all, just this guy. If he indeed sold make up or was a plummer would we spend any time at all discussing his personality...... Gaz ------------------------------ Date: 9 Feb 99 12:02:20 EST From: James Dusewicz Subject: RE: RF--The Lady & The Tiger(variations thereof) I don't know if any of you out there have noticed but the story: "The Lady and The Tiger has a marked resemblence to The Grateful Dead's "Terrapin Station". Each involves a lady and a choice of whether to brave a tiger. "Terrapin Station" came out in 1977. "The Lady & The Tiger" came out in 1984. Any comments? jim campaigner at usa dot net James Dusewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:07:01 -0500 From: Charles Biel Subject: bartok priate discussion To whom it may concern, I seem to recall that once upon a time the Hungarian composer Bela Bartok was mentioned as an influence for the Fripp. I also recall that this tasty item was squashed by Toby and the crew. It is not my intent to challenge the wise decisions of our most appreciated moderator. Toby seems to be aware of the "lowest common denominator factor" required for news letters of this sort. However, I am intrigued by the subject of Bartok as an inspiration. I have studied the music of both masters and would love to correspond by private Email with those that share the same curiosity and insight. Again, private email only as this is not a topic for the muddled masses. Thank you Chuck Biel 1243 Edgewood Drive Charleston W.V. 25302 (304) 346-4334 cbiel at access dot mountain dot net HOME PAGE http://access.mountain.net/~cbiel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:38:18 -0500 From: mass communications Subject: Sex, Sleep, Eat Drink Dream I have been looking to the lyrics for Sex Sleep Eat Drink Dream for a while now. the ET page says the lyrics therin are 'yet to be created.' If you have them or know someone who does, PLEASE LET ME KNOW! Pacobrand at hotmail dot com -Thanx Joel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:27:28 -0500 From: "Dan B." Subject: Bonus Tracks! With Our Man Robby's announcement of France '82 as C.C. No. 4, this brings to mind the fact that ain't this going to be the Frejus show (where they opened for Roxy Music--believe it or not)--that was finally re-released on video after a long time? Recalling, the length of 'The Noise' was approximately 1 hour. If this is the case, then I'm sure Robert realizes many people already have a hi-quality version of a large part of this show when they purchased the video. Therefore, I'm sure he will seek to 'sweeten the kettle' for the CD by tossing in some additional songs which didn't make the cut onto videotape. (Assuming they played longer than 60 minutes that night, right?) As I don't have a stereo VCR, I have to get it either way. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:43:41 EST From: Porcodio at aol dot com Subject: New Standard Tuning String Guages Hi I dont know if this has been covered before but I was wondering if anyone had any suggested guages for the Guitar Craft Tuning on acoustic or electric guitar. I came up with a pretty good set a couple years ago but i've since forgotten. Please send responses personally. Collin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:45:05 -0800 From: Greg Maffei Subject: t shirts I was wondering if any web site you know of would sell me a crimson t-shirt; assuming someone makes them gregoryj at sirius dot com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 17:12:24 PST From: "Peter Drubetskoy" Subject: Re: Cover variations, and a paradox Jim is right, there are some strange variations in the cover designs, here are some more: "Absent Lovers" with both blue and violet covers; "Red" cd cover is lacking the outer white frame. Cheers, Peter. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 23:02:11 EST From: Mascarini at aol dot com Subject: Michael Hedges and KC Hello all, Received two gifts today: the new Michael Hedges CD 'Torched' and a book on his alternate guitar tunings titled 'Rhythm, Sonority and Silence (RS&S), by Michael Hedges and John Stropes. Both of these offered a small surprise and insight to this late great artist. Firstly, the title cut on 'Torched' - the main guitar theme could have been written and played by Fripp. Most of the CD is in close contrast to Adrian's work (mainly his song craft / lyrics. I was thinking how wonderful it could have been if any of these bold guitarists worked together, the similar direction and thinking might have moved each of their games forward. Secondly, as I continued to listen to the new disk, I started to scan through the book RS&S. Much to my surprise, I came upon a passage referenced Michael's high school years and influences in music - This I just needed to share: "Mike and I had gym class last period. We'd suit up, let ourselves be seen until roll was taken and then sneak back into the locker room and leave school early. We'd go to his house and listen to his dad's jazz records and King Crimson. I was a King Crimson freak. Music was becoming the major activity of my life. My favorite records were Neil Young's 'After the Gold Rush' and Joni Mitchell's 'Ladies of the Canyon'." I've been fortunate to have seen Michael in concert and felt the same power in performance that I've experienced with KC. It's very sad to reflect on those shows, knowing he's no more. Thought you might want to pick 'Torched' and give a listen - all proceeds from this disk go to the 'Children of Michael Hedges Fund.' Don't miss it, its a winner. Regards, Rick Mascarini ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:30:04 -0800 From: studio seventeen productions Subject: Bears T-shirt Just wanted to let all Belew fans know that I put my mint condition Bears T-shirt up for auction for cheap on ebay (it doesn't fit me anyway), so check it out at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=66732736 cheers! dave at studio seventeen http://members.tripod.com/technoambient/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:31:34 +0000 From: Peter Clinch

Subject: GIG REVIEW: CGT in Edinburgh, Scotland, Mon 9 Feb 99 As I turned to go at the end of this and get my train back to Dundee, the lady in the pew behind me (she was at least 70 if she was a day) summarised things nicely: "That was quite extraordinary, wasn't it!, just a shame more people weren't here; I don't think it was too well publicised". I'd read about the gig on ET on the Monday and since I had some rail travel vouchers as an apology for being delivered late home after Christmas I resolved to excuse myself from the dinner party I'd been invited to and take the train down to Edinburgh for the gig. Found the kirk easily enough and in I went, to be pleasantly surprised it was only a fiver (though there was a bit of a change famine to start with), and also pleasantly surprised that the CDs were a tenner, so I had Yamanashi Blues to complete my collection before queueing was involved. There were, I'd guess, around 50-60 in the audience, ranging from kids to pensioners, and CGT were welcomed with polite enthusiasm. Sound was good, as it usually is in churches with wonderful ambience, though I think they could've turned down the PA a wee bit and not been any the worst for it: couple of the older audience members were driven off by Misirlou, which was a shame as they ended up missing plenty of good stuff. Things from Pathways which had struck me as a bit too "twee" on record made far more sense live (particularly the Beethoven 5, which I often skip on CD but was completely engrossing in the flesh), and there was a good mix from the others too (great bottleneck on Train to Lamy, and a superb "unplugged" Yamanashi Blues to conclude, were favourites from there), plus other material too. The version of Baba Yaga's Hut from Mussorgsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition" ran out of places to go as they couldn't get any louder for the Big Refrain, but that's nit picking, and the following "Great Gate of Kiev" was absolutely superb. Good mix of material, beautifully played, for a low price. Can't ask much better than that. Paul said he hoped they'd be back, and I hope they are too (how about the Dundee Guitar festival though? ;-)), and that a few more people are along to enjoy it. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Dundee University & Teaching Hospitals Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p dot j dot clinch at dundee dot ac dot uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:05:43 -0800 From: rtc at sirius dot com (Robert Cambra) Subject: GIG REVIEW - Earthworks Hi ETers, Although my appreciation for post-war jazz doesn't extend much beyond work done after 1961 (with the exception of what's being done by a lot of those skronking Knitting Factory people) I've always had a great appreciation for Bill Bruford's drumming, so I strolled down to The Great American Music Hall to see Earthworks January 26th. (While hanging around the box office looking for a ticket to this sold-out show, I recognized Robert Cervero, who was also looking for a ticket, from photos and introduced myself. We spoke for quite a while and he told me a lot of great Fripp and Crimson stories. It was a pleasure meeting him finally--I knew I would sooner or later. Eventually I had a stroke of luck and got a ticket; later Robert did, too, and he joined me inside for a while.) The band came out to enthusiastic applause and when they started up I didn't have to look at the stage to know who was on drums--I'd know that player anywhere. The first piece had a very "Discipline" feel to me, but this might have been just because it was Bruford pumping out the poly rhythmic beats.The audience was totally into it. The band is excellent and the music complex. The very affable Bill introduced each piece and late in the evening even thanked the Yes fans, who may have been unaware that this would be a jazz concert, for their seeming appreciation (!!). Pieces from various albums including one forthcoming in March were performed. I always love to hear Bruford go bibity-bop, I enjoyed the music and maybe . . .maybe in ten years I'll be able to appreciate Earthworks as much as I do Be-Bop. Robert Cambra San Francisco ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #572 ********************************