Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #571 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 571 Sunday, 7 February 1999 Today's Topics: NEWS: California Guitar Trio/Tony Geballe Tour Continues! NEWS: CGT in the UK NEWS: Trey live in San Fran? NEWS: Adrian Belew interview NEWS: Crimson in prog rock article (guitar world) NEWS: Vernon Reid & Trey Gunn Bill Bruford signature snare drum damage promo for sale Deja Vroom DVD release Yet Another Query for RF The Link Between KC and SNL is Finally Established!!!! Re: Sacred Songs Epitaph and beer! Long, long ago.... a new album! RF MAKEUP INNOVATOR!!! A trip to the dentist I have seen & heard KC play Starless Feed the Silence KC Alumni Discography Page updated (finally...) Projekct One Cover variations, and a paradox DEJA VROOM In defense of Mr. Fripp Neverending grooves Earthbound The Source of the Music Judy Dyble & Sacred Songs For Sale: "Cat Food/Groon" 45rpm single I TALK TO THE WIND Pulse Neverending grooves Epitaph for trade great deceiver Fripp on SXSW panel? the catalogue re: Sacred Songs House Rules for Exiles Real Audio Radio GIG REVIEW: Earthworks in L.A. GIG REVIEW: at last the 1998 show review ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.5b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 00:13:18 -0700 From: Jon Lybrook Organization: Chronosynthesis Subject: NEWS: California Guitar Trio/Tony Geballe Tour Continues! Hi, [ I'm *really sorry* the NEWS posts about the gigs didn't get out to ET in time -- my mistake entirely. -- Toby ] No rest for the wicked, the CGT have extended their tour and have added the following dates. Be sure to check the *Yamanashi News* page on the California Guitar Trio Official Website regularly for up to date tour information: http://www.cgtrio.com/yamanews.htm The *CGT ROAD CAM* is also a great page to visit to stay in touch with the band. Here you'll find recent and past photos of the band on tour, and cameos with some very special acquaintances of theirs. Find it at http://www.cgtrio.com/roadcam.htm Enjoy and take care! Jon CGT Web ~*^~*^*~^*~^~*^~^*~^*^*~^* California Guitar Trio and Tony Geballe Feburary/March 1999 Tour Schedule Thursday, 4th Feb 99 Borders - Brighton, England : 7pm Friday, 5th Feb 99 Borders - London, England : 6pm Saturday, 6th Feb 99 Zodiac Club, Oxford, England : 8pm Sunday, 7th Feb 99 Bongo Club, Edinburgh, Scotland : 8:30pm Monday, 8th Feb 99 Borders - Glasgow, Scotland : 6:30pm ish! Tuesday, 9th Feb 99 Canongate Church, Edinburgh, Scotland : 7:30pm Saturday, 13th Feb99 Florence, Italy Sunday, 14th, Feb99 Near Rome, Italy February South East Borders tour (Miami to Memphis) Tuesday, 2/23 7:30 Coral Springs Borders (Miami) 700 University Dr. Coral Springs FL 33071 Wednesday, 2/24 5 p.m. Ft. Lauderdale Borders 2240 E. Sunrise Blvd. Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33304 Thursday, 2/25 Orlando Borders- still pending Friday, 2/26 Jacksonville Borders 8 p.m. 8801 Southside Blvd. Suite 10 Jacksonville FL 32256 Saturday, 2/27 Atlanta Borders 8 p.m. 3101 Cobb Parkway Atlanta GA 30339 Sunday, 2/28 Atlanta Borders noon- still pending Sunday, 2/28 Atlanta - The Variety Playhouse 1099 Euclid Ave. Atlanta, GA 30307 Ticket info: 404/521-1786 (Tickets available from Ticketmaster) Monday, 3/1 Knoxville Borders 8 p.m. 202 Morrell Rd., Suite 100 Knoxville TN 37919 Tuesday, 3/2 Nashville, Club show - TBA Wednesday, 3/3 Memphis Borders 8 p.m. 6685 Poplar Ave. Germantown TN 38138 Friday, 3/5 Portland Guitar Festival Call (503) 725-3003, or visit their website at http://www.guitarist.com/cg/pdx/pgf9.htm for more information. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 01:42:03 -0000 From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" Subject: NEWS: CGT in the UK If no-one else has noted this: the California Guitar Trio are appearing at Borders, Oxford Street, London, on Friday 5 February at 6PM. Borders is at 203 Oxford Street, close to the Oxford Circus tube. I expect it will be on the top floor, so we can buy copies of Pathways. Other stops on the tour include Brighton, Oxford, Edinbugh and Glasgow - see http://www.cgtrio.com. Cheers, Brian Thomson, London UK bnt at ibm dot net / bnt at email dot com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:39:46 -0500 From: TJ Mathews Subject: NEWS: Trey live in San Fran? This little tidbit just came across my screen: "Trey Gunn, Charles Hayward, Percy Howard and Vernon Reid show at the Maritime Hall on Feb 26." This sounds very interesting. I believe Maritime is in San Fran. Trey mentions work on his next CD and some fun with KMFDM (hoohoo!), but not this little event, on his web site. I would love to see this foursome but the 3 or so thousand miles is a bit much. Any word if this is a one time thing or a tour? tj dumela at tidalwave dot net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 08:50:18 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) From: TIMOTHY A EDWARDS Subject: NEWS: Adrian Belew interview For ET - http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/news/text/newsarticle.asp?afl=rsn&NewsID=6841&ArtistID=163&origin=news --Timothy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:35:35 -0800 From: Jim Bricker Subject: NEWS: Vernon Reid & Trey Gunn In the SF Bay Area, two shows are coming in Feb featuring the above artists. Per [http://www.sfbayconcerts.com], the listings are: Vernon Reid, Trey Gunn, Percy Howard, Charles Hayward Thurs Feb 25, Palookaville, 1133 Pacific Ave, Santa Cruz Fri Feb 26, Maritime Hall, 450 Harrison St., San Francisco [http://www.maritimehall.com/] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 01:28:54 PST From: "stuart allison" Subject: NEWS: Crimson in prog rock article (guitar world) Hi, There is an issue of Guitar World out now over here in Australia which has a "special" on prog rock and a top ten album guide, ITCOTCK and Discipline make the list along with Close to the Edge by Yes, Pictures by ELP and others. It also has a list of up and coming prog albums which, among others, includes Liquid Tension Experiment featuring Tony Levin (?). I'm not sure what issue it is but the cover story is on Hole. Down here we get our magazines about a month later than the US releases them so depending where you live you may have to back order it. If you can't find it email me and I'll try and find out the issue number. Sorry this is a bit long! Stuart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:18:59 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Spellman Subject: Bill Bruford signature snare drum Bill Bruford has a new signature snare drum! 'Bout time, sez I!! Please check out: http://www.tama.com/sig_snares_bb.htm Best, spellmax ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:13:55 -0600 From: "Fred Rogers" Subject: damage promo for sale greetings I have a u.k. two track sampler for the sylvain/fripp damage cd. it comes in a slim line case with full color art work the tracks are the first day and blinding light of heaven.disc is near mint as is art work the case is alittle scuffed up. if your interested please e-mail me with offer or more information at rogerscf at ticon dot net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:34:59 -0800 From: jonah stein Subject: Deja Vroom DVD release I just returned from the Deja Vroom DVD release in the run up to the NAMM show. RF spoke briefly and then opened the floor to questions. Most of the things had been said before, but three things are perhaps "newsworth" to this group. 1. The ProjeKCt recordings will be released as a box set some time soon, as will Two new live CD's, on featuring the 69-74 catalog and another featuring 81-99 material (although this release will feature Larks Tongue part II, which technically belongs to the earlier KC) Both of these releases will be on DGM and distributed through Virgin. 2. Bill Bruford does not and has not read ET, so talking to him about any of the threads on this list, like whether he will play electric drums or any the others which Toby has thankfully banned, will only get you a confused response. This should come as a relief to at least one or two contributors out there. I also saw Bill Bruford with Earthworks in SF. If you like Jazz, you have to check out Earthworks. If you don't like Jazz but are a fan of BB, I recommend staying home, because Earthworks is serious Jazz. That said, Bill and the whole band were excellent, with BB laying down some of the most intense poly rhythms I have ever witnessed.. Definately worth the modest price. 3. When asked about what might still exist in the KC/RF archieve, RF said there were are "significant" number of recordings which he has not cataloged or evaluated for release. RF also stated that he wasn't happy about the tradeoff of his time cataloging and working on the archive versus creating new music. . The evidence seems to indicate the DGM Collector's club will continue as long as RF and the fans can muster the enthusiam. Deja Vroom itself is pretty good. The band seemed to concur that this was not the best show of the tour, but nevermind, it sounds great and is certainly worth a look if you own a DVD player,. And the DTS sound is enough to make you consider buying one if you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:01:04 -0800 From: "Stephen Goodman@Work" Subject: Yet Another Query for RF Greetings All! We've heard a goodly amount in the past about RF's affinity for Steven Seagal films... I'm wondering lately, What Does Steven Seagal Think Of RF's Music? It's not as if one can't imagine an Eastern meditation routine being done to a Soundscape, or Frippertronics piece, in Seagal's films, OR back yard. Is there any correlation? Perhaps Mr. S. needs to be told about this. :) This might bring another question to ask oneself while reading this: How much more likely is it that one would go to a film if you knew RF's music was in it? Bill Lantz 's inquiry about the Sacred Songs CD release (did it really happen?) does bring up something I've not heard about on this newsletter. So I don't know that such info need be kept too secret. Stephen Goodman EarthLight Productions-Studios http://www.earthlight.net/Studios ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:33:34 EST From: Bolinhed at aol dot com Subject: The Link Between KC and SNL is Finally Established!!!! From the New York Times Magazine, Sunday 1/31/99 profile of actor/comic Bill Murray: "(In the early 80's) Murray and his first wife...lived in Paris, where Murray studied philosophy, particularly Gurdjieff, and history at the Sorbonne..." Students: "Fripp, Murray, and Gurdjieff. Please respond in essay format" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:53:48 -0500 From: Ted White Subject: Re: Sacred Songs Bill Lantz asks, > Question for anyone with the CD version of Daryl Hall's > Sacred Songs (produced and much more by Robert Fripp). Does > the CD have the "fake" needle lifting off the turntable > noise which preceeds the actual end spiral and needle lift > off area at the end of NYCNY (side one of the LP)? > This CD is currently available only as a Japanese import, and the short answer is, "Yes." --TW (Dr.P) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:04:22 +0100 From: "Fabio Palmieri" Subject: Epitaph and beer! In addition to ET's FAQ section about the use of KC music in 'strager territories': A few years ago, an italian beer company used some 20 seconds of 'Epitaph' from ITCOTCK in their TV spot. The funniest thing about it (which alone completely compensates and refunds Messrs Lake, Sinfield, Fripp, Mc Donald & Giles for this unauthorized use of their music) is: due probably to the Advertisor's ignorance of the english language, the spot opened up with the words: "...IS IN THE HANDS OF FOOOOOLS..." (!) sung by Lake, followed by the well-known mellotron diminuished crescendo to accompany a cup being filled with blond brew (in slow motion)! A finest blend of thrash. Things such as these make us believe Mr Sinfield was quite right about 'The fate of all mankind...' ;-) best Fabio Palmieri nikilino at mclink dot it ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:37:04 -0800 (PST) From: CraigWinter at webtv dot net (Craig Winter) Subject: Long, long ago.... Long, long ago I was introduced to a band called King Crimson. They were like no other band. It was a propitious discovery, and for all the great music that moved along in time with the Crim...Pink Floyd, Genesis, PFM, Supertramp, Gentle Giant, Frank Zappa, and on and on, nothing compared to the discoveries a new Crimson album presented. Then came the eighties. Fripp began his aural camouflage, blending his guitar work with Belew, and lessening the strength of some terrific lead work by using odd synthesized treatments. Still, it was better than anything else out there. Then came the nineties. Fripp had retreated even further, hidden visably between two drum sets, and handing over all the overt lead work to Belew. It became "Adrian Belew And Friends". Great if you're a Belew fan, but not good if Fripp's singular work on the Les Paul was one of the essential joys of the Crimson sound. Now Fripp wants Bruford to use electronic drums. Having seen PROJECkT TWO live, the most annoying thing about the performance was the mediocre drumming by Belew. Fripp did wail on the Fernandez, but without a song structure nothing could really soar. And those treatments! It was like a synth-sound-sampler! Today I heard "Radioactive" by The Firm on the car radio. Nothing much of a song, but that lead guitar work! I realized then that something is wrong when I get the kind of excitement from a Page solo that I used to get listening to Fripp. Reading Fripp's diary is a great opportunity to see how the music evolves, day to day, though I bemoan reading each passage that suggests that what is to come will move Crimson further and further away from what, in retrospect, was a much simpler, much cleaner sound. Fripp would, I'm sure, suggest that I turn my attention elsewhere, perhaps to a Jimmy Page website, or to downloading classic guitar riffs from the Great Axe Player's Hall Of Fame. But hope springs eternal. I'll keep reading, and listening, and hopefully be present to rediscover that chill up my back that I got listening to Crimson live in '73. Who knows? It could happen. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 07:40:14 PST From: "Dave Brideau" Subject: a new album! hello!! sorry if i'm out of subject but... a couples month ago,every body was talking about the release of a all new album!! what's hapenning with this project! it would have been called "the great crim" i think!! maybe and probably i miss something but could somebody give news on that! bye the way... i was suprised bye the numerous answer for my post on fracture!! thanks for all the precisions!! dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:31:28 EST From: Goodcraker at aol dot com Subject: RF MAKEUP INNOVATOR!!! Hey all, Responding to Vince's post in ET 570. Yes...RF was a makeup innovator. Back in 85 and 86, he was with Mary Kay cosmetics and was one of their top salespersons..making Salesman of the Month in both May and August of 86. He used to drive around my neighborhood in a pink Cadillac with the Mary Kay logo on the side. Scared the hell out of any of us playing in the street. All we could see were his spectacles peering over the steering wheel and a very large cup of coffee sliding across the dashboard when as he flew down the street and made his turns. Nice guy though.....sold my mom some #16 rouge and a blush applicator. I guess he got bored with the whole thing once "the kids" got gothic on him and started to order black eye liner by the gross. From what I heard from his former supervisor, one day he pulled in the expansive Mary Kay offices in Tinley Park IL, left his Caddy in the lot with the keys still in the ignition. He wasn't seen again in Illinois till several years later. In closing all I can say is THANK GOD RF is finally getting the make up credit he deserves. Returning to my place in the weeds........ T Murphy/Chicago ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 15:10:06 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: A trip to the dentist I've heard that people take portable CD players to the dentist to take their mind off the process. Well, I was facing a drilling recently and decided to try it out. I'd heard that people recommended New Age music to relax them. But that sounds like rubbish to me. I don't want to be relaxed! If anything, I wanted something that was going to intrude on the process and distract me. I decided the most appropriate band for that was King Crimson! So I went in with disc one from The Great Deceiver and when the work started, I was listening to Larks Tongue 2 - full volume! Amusingly enough, the sound of the drill seemed to fit right in with the music! And before I knew it, the trauma was over. If any KC fans are facing this process, I highly recommend a little dose of KC with it ;-) [ Me too. My dentist has video goggles too, and I watched Crimson Live in Japan duringa a recent visit! -- Toby ] Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:58:08 -0500 From: "Louis Courteau" Subject: I have seen & heard KC play Starless Jonathan mischieviously asks in ET570: Is there any material from the album RED, such as "One More Red Nightmare" and "Fallen Angel" ever performed live in the 70's? I saw and heard in complete trance Mssrs Cross, Wetton, Bruford and Fripp offer a perfect rendition of Starless in the Montreal Forum concert-hall style, from up on top in the last row with my girlfriend and her husband (did he know? I will never). A perfect sound, and the perfect spot to watch Bill in his white Boston Bruins camisole. That unsustainably long crescendo of slowly rising noire, croche-noire, croche-noire, croche-noire, with those woodblocks every fourth beat and that strange out-of-synch bass line... like Cirkus, Pictures of a City, Ladies of the Road and Neal & Jake & Me, this is a King Crimson piece that I first heard live and later recognized on record. I lent my copy of Frame by Frame to the guy who sang In the Court... at our shop's Christmas party, so I don't have the exact date of that Montreal concert, but I know it was very near the end of the last 70s tour. And of course, Providence was also performed live for sure, but only once. Guess where? Amities, louis courteau loco at caractera dot com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 01:53:57 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin Subject: Feed the Silence The Dark Aether Project's second CD "Feed The Silence" is now complete and off to the pressing plant with release expected in early March. However, you can check out the cover artwork and RealAudio excerpts from three songs on the website right now. Track list is as follows: Burnt Sunrise - 12:40 Nightmare - 8:14 Stages - 6:46 Building the Worm - 4:59 Feed the Silence - 10:22 Out of the Dark/Dark Aether (Live) - 8:52 The Dark Aether Project is: Adam Levin: Warr 8 String Touch Guitar/Keyboards/Loops Yaman Aksu: Guitar/Hammond Organ Brian Griffin: Drums/Percussion Ray Weston: Vocals With special guest Markus Reuter of Europa String Choir: Warr 8 String Touch Guitar on "Building the Worm" The Dark Aether Project Website: http://www.darkaether.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:00:27 -0800 From: "Henry H. Andrews" Subject: KC Alumni Discography Page updated (finally...) Hi folks, Well, as it turns out I'm not really good at maintaining a web site, or at least not at maintaining it often. But I've finally cleaned out most of my backlog and put a lot of new information up at the King Crimson Alumni Discography Page. I didn't get all of the stuff I had up, or do as much of a redesign of the site as I wanted, but I figured that it had been to long (several months) since I updated the site at all so I put up what I had and I'll get the rest as soon as I can. For those who don't know what the site is, it attempts to document the significant musical activities of various KC members (and almost members like Keith Tippett and Richard Palmer-James) outside of King Crimson. For those of you discussing Centipede and other things Tippett has done, you'll find a fair amound of information on the site (and if you know more please email me- its really hard to find complete information on Tippett's work so all of that info is from people who took the time to send it to me). I also try to get reviews of all of the albums- this is what the site is really for. So if you have one of these KC-related albums, please send me a review! Then other KC fans who might be interested but would never know the album existed otherwise can find it an hear it! There's a link to the site from the main ET page, or you can jump directly to http://www.concentric.net/~handrews/music/crimsolo/ instead. I still have a few submissions left to write up, so if you don't see something you sent in, I'm still working on it. In any event, enjoy the site, and send me any info and especially reveiws that you can! Thanks, Henry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 09:32:08 -0500 From: Anthony_Ferrara at ACML dot COM Subject: Projekct One Any news on the release date for LIve at The Jazz Cafe? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 11:43:45 -0500 From: Jim Bailey Subject: Cover variations, and a paradox Greetings all, I'll actually start with the second part of the subject line, because it's shorter. I noticed on the Newsletters page that the last topic listed as verboten is "the demise of the DGM guestbook," under which is the statement: "ETers are encouraged to find more appropriate forums for these issue (sic), such as the DGM Guestbook." Hmmmm. For the main part of this post, I would like to ask about variations in cover designs of KC albums. The first instance I knew of was with Islands. The original Canadian (vinyl) release had a gatefold cover, with its design taken from the insert in the British cover. Incidentally, it also lacked the "coda" for the title track - another "mastering error?". Are there any other places where this was the case? Current CD copies of ItCotCK have a cover where the red is purple, and the blue is a rather bilious yellow - quite nauseating to an old-timer like myself. Was this colour change universal, and if so, was there any known reason? As an aside to this one, I have a German vinyl pressing which is missing the intro to "Schizoid Man." any speculation on that? The local version of LTiA (vinyl) had a narrower outer border on the front. I have also recently seen "Space Groove" with two different covers; the graphics are the same, but smaller on one. The strange thing is they were both made here. Again, is this a local phenomenon, or have others noticed it? Dan, would it be worthwhile having these differences displayed on the releases page? Perhaps a mention, anyway? I guess us punters could contribute to this if need be. Back to the shadows again... Jim Bailey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 20:51:10 +0100 From: pierre-emile bertona Subject: DEJA VROOM Hi all, I just received my DVD this morning. I have some comments, maybe this could help. The sound is just amazing. The image is better than the video, it's more a "live picture". I found the video image a bit disappointing, reminded me sort of a "brazilian sitcom", due to the soft filters. The DVD image has this sort of filters too, but it's less exagerated. I had some problems with the installation of the DVD. My computer refused to work, and displayed some strange messages about the flux of the image and the necessity of having a TV screen connected.(!) BUT changing the definition of the computer display (800 x 600 instead of 1024 x796 and avoiding the 32k colors for a 256 colors) fixed all the troubles. Hope this little trick can help you all. I still have troubles watching the Tony's Road Movies : the image is very big and my computer only displays a part of the image. Anyone knows how to fix it ? Anyway, a great medium for a great band. If you have a DVD player, or plan to buy one, this is the disc you HAVE to have. Cheers. Pierre-emile ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 02:10:31 -0500 From: "tsthom" Subject: In defense of Mr. Fripp To those who find Robert Fripp so offensive: What is perhaps so disappointing to me about the Fripp comments are that these come from those who claim to be Crimson fans and know what King Crimson is all about. Is it true that RF portrays a stage presence that is enigmatic, cold, and distant in relation to his audience? Sure. Does RF covey an unapproachable and overly philosophical demeanor? So it seems. That is the person Robert Fripp. That is who he is. He is not going to be what the audience thinks he should be. And I, for one, am damn glad that RF is the man that he is. He is the embodiment of King Crimson. To be right at home during a KC show is to barely see that silhouette of the man, to watch him eerily swivel on his stool manipulating his gear with only the illumination of his rack effects. I would think that most of us KC enjoy such music for what it sounds like. Sure it would be great to see RF in plain day, but that is to miss the essence of a KC performance- that element of mystique and oddity that goes along with their brand of music. RF reaches his audience through his unmistakable barrage of soundscapes and playing. Perhaps if one would open his/her eyes they would see that RF expresses himself through music. He may not be able to convey much in the way of a stage presence, but his guitar playing and sound speak volumes. That is the Mr. Hyde part of RF and that is what makes him so special. Brian and Chris Sproul Pittsburgh, PA stu961005 at boaz dot gcc dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 20:46:15 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Hartley Subject: Neverending grooves Bill Lantz wrote: > It's also interesting to note that White > Shadow on Peter Gabriel II (prod.,etc. by RF) would play > forever if you have a manual turntable. As would side 2 of USA - the end groove looped on applause, so you had a neverending ovation at the end of the show. I used this a few times back in my radio days :) ======================================================================== Joe Hartley - jh at brainiac dot com - brainiac services, inc PO Box 5069 : Greene, RI : 02827 - vox 401.539.9050 : fax 401.539.2070 Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 19:06:44 +0100 From: "Rudi Wimberger" Subject: Earthbound I am sorry, my english is not good, because I hope you know what I mean. I search a CD from King Crimson with the name "Earthbound". This is a Live Album and I can not got it in Austria. Now I ask YOU, where I can sell this CD and what I must pay. I hope you can help me. Many thanks to you. My e-mail adress is: rudiwimberger at aon dot at ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:29:43 -0800 (PST) From: CraigWinter at webtv dot net (Craig Winter) Subject: The Source of the Music I believe, in fact I am certain, that I have read what Fripp has written in regard to his "fans" with an open mind. But repeated exposure to his viewpoint has begun to speak to my internal sensor, which only delivers a nagging shock, without supplying any rational explanation. That is left to the mind, and it, of course, is always highly suspect. So my conclusions may be offbase, but the shock is not. A flashing light destroying an entire performance? That light is external. Is the source of the music external as well? If the climate control system keeps the room too cool, or a little too warm, is the performance destroyed? Has Fripp become Pavarotti? And even Pavarotti can justifiably blame exteriors for affecting his "instrument", the voice. I don't think a single flash could have done much harm to Fripp's guitar. I attended a soundscapes concert in '95 at the House Of Blues. Although it was probably an acceptable venue for the CGT, it was abominable for soundscapes. People ordering drinks, shouting "I want to hear you shred!!", employees hauling carts or tables or something upstairs, banging and crashing on the way. The room seemed overcrowded, hot. Yet Fripp that night produced some of the most tender, achingly beautiful music I have ever heard. So where did it come from? And why was it not destroyed by the calamity surrounding it? The challenge for me as a listener that night was no less great. In spite of the noise around me, I wanted to be "inside" the music. Or maybe I should say I wanted the music "inside" of me, connecting to that part of me that is unaffected by the external. I closed my eyes through most of his playing. For soundscapes, watching his fingers move seemed to be ludicrously inappropriate. Although I must admit I was no match for the banging carts, there were moments when it worked. When there was no crowd, no House Of Blues, no player even. Just the music. The more I read from Fripp, the more he seems to be talking about the externals, and how they are affecting him. But that sort of thing can get out of hand. Soon, a bad cup of coffee can poison the whole day, or the offhand remark of a passing stranger, or a cloud passing over the sun just as you step out of the van for a concert. I mean, c'mon, dude! This whole DGM CEO thing might not be the healthiest occupation for an artist. Not if it makes you lose touch with the source of the music, which is there before the crowds, before the shouts, before the flashing light bulbs. The music, I'm guessing, is there before you play it, waiting for you to find it. If you're so distracted by some isolated incident, what chance has the music got? Anyway, one last thing... I went to hear a guy speak once. I won't mention his name. It doesn't matter. About twenty minutes before he spoke he came on stage and sat in a chair, staring straight ahead, with the most peaceful expression on his face I'd ever seen. Every now and then an assistant would come up and whisper something to him and he'd answer, then go back to looking straight ahead, never moving. People were seating themselves, sliding chairs, talking, but he remained unaffected. I'm sure he was aware of everything going on; he was completely attentive. But it was as if the noise and movement were distant from him. A flashing light bulb? I don't think it would have reached him. It was as if he were in another room entirely. Alone. Still. Silent. Now if, instead of giving a talk, he'd reached down for his guitar.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Feb 99 07:41:11 EST From: MARCUS SHERWIN Subject: Judy Dyble & Sacred Songs I am a recent subscriber to ET, so forgive me if my questions have been answered before. First of all, has "I Talk to the Wind" with the Judy Dyble vocal, featured on "The Young Person's Guide To King Crimson" ever been released on CD? I know it's probably heresy to say this, but I prefer it to the Greg Lake vocal. The song sounds very feminine to me. I feel the same about "Moonchild", which would sound great with a female vocal. Second, I read recently that RF was asked to write some liner notes for an upcoming release of Darryl Hall's "Sacred Songs" (I guess I read it in the diary, but I'm not sure). Is there any info available on when this is to be released and on what label, country, etc.? Recent postings to ET indicate that it's been released previously on CD, but I haven't been able to to find it. Any suggestions? As an interesting note, a friend of mine who is a speed metal freak recently lent me a CD by a band called Forbidden, which included a cover of "Schizoid Man". I gave him a hard time because this 90's "speed" metal band played it at a slower tempo and left out the really tough parts in the middle. I think this is a good indicator of just how incredibly far ahead of their time Crismo was (and still is). Still, the cover wasn't half bad, I kind of liked it. !?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????! ! ! ! G. Marcus Sherwin home: ! ! ! !?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:25:58 -0800 From: "Heilbronner, Mike (I)" Subject: For Sale: "Cat Food/Groon" 45rpm single Hello: This is a Dutch version of the Cat Food/Groon 45rpm single from 1970. If it's not Dutch, it's German. I'll be happy to provide the copyright/license language if this would make a difference for you. It is on the $tateside label (the dollar sign is not a typo), which apparently was a division of the Gramophonehouse label. The copyright/licensing language on the center section is Dutch (I acquired this in a used record store in the Jordaan area of Amsterdam) . The vinyl is in "good" condition (esp. in light of its age), but not mint. The paper sleeve is original. It's faded and a little worn down, but has no substantial defects. The letters "HV" are handwritten in pen on the sleeve. The letters are about a half inch high. I have no idea what something like this is worth, so please do not email requesting my asking price. If you make an offer, I'll keep you updated on the highest offer, so you can decide for yourself if you're still interested. Offer open until Feb 20. I'll be out of town a lot until then, so PLEASE BE PATIENT IF I DO NOT RESPOND IMMEDIATELY. Obviously, please email privately. Thanks Mike. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 14:16:56 -0500 From: Public Subject: I TALK TO THE WIND A friend of mine said the song was adopted from the H. Craft series. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 09:39:27 -0500 From: Dave Lane Subject: Pulse In this month's Pulse magazine put out by the Tower record store chain, their columnists all give their "Best of 1998" lists. In the "Contemporary Instrumental" category, KC's 'The Night Watch' is listed at #6. 'Night Watch' is neither contemporary nor instrumental, and wasn't released in 1998, but it's good to see the positive mention. --Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 20:46:15 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Hartley Subject: Neverending grooves Bill Lantz wrote: > It's also interesting to note that White > Shadow on Peter Gabriel II (prod.,etc. by RF) would play > forever if you have a manual turntable. As would side 2 of USA - the end groove looped on applause, so you had a neverending ovation at the end of the show. I used this a few times back in my radio days :) ======================================================================== Joe Hartley - jh at brainiac dot com - brainiac services, inc PO Box 5069 : Greene, RI : 02827 - vox 401.539.9050 : fax 401.539.2070 Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 07:04:23 -0600 From: "The Sonnenbergs" Subject: Epitaph for trade I have the 2 disc Epitaph set for trade. Looking for Bruford "If Summer Had Its Ghosts," Soundscapes or other Crim-caliber non-rock. Thanks! Paul Sonnenberg Austin,TX sonnenb1 at apple dot com angelbug at io dot com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:30:10 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Morris Subject: great deceiver I e-mailed DGM about when the Great Deceiver set will be re-released since it clearly isn't coming out Jan '99. There isn't a date yet but it is expected "sometime mid-year." It will be available in stores as well as mail order. I offered my opinion that the box set would be a most attractive purchase with little documentation and the most music/dollar, especially if the info in a booklet were available on the web for downloading but I didn't get a reply to that part of my e-mail. As always, DGM were very helpful and prompt. I hope they grow to be as succesful as they deserve. --Jason Morris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 14:07:33 -0600 From: "Chris 'Coz' Costello" Subject: Fripp on SXSW panel? Okay, I have to preface this by saying it is PURE speculation. On a recent radio show in Chicago, Eric Flanagan of ICE Magazine was talking about a panel he's moderating at South by Southwest on bootlegging. He mentioned that he would have members of the current crop of "jam" bands (Widespread Panic, Leftover Salmon), along with some "outspoken critics" of bootlegging. Since it seems that, with or without P3, Fripp will be at SXSW, I'm thinking that at the very least, he has been asked to participate in this panel. I wonder if he would object to someone taping the discussion? ;-P Incidentally, the radio show is a program called "Sound Opinions," airing every Tuesday night at 10pm on 93.1 FM in Chicago, with the rock critics from both major newspapers talking tunes for two hours. Good stuff. Later, COZ -- Chris 'Coz' Costello | http://www.enteract.com/~coz/ | coz at enteract dot com "H I P N E S S I S T R A N S I E N T...you've got to change in order to be continually hip." - Vinnie Colaiuta ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 19:56:04 -0500 From: Mich=?ISO-8859-1?B?6A==?=le Subject: the catalogue Smile! I was thinking, that mabe, perhapse that Fripp and other DGM folks could consider the idea of, one day, update this enchanced catalogue that we find on their cd's... Alex giantalex007 at hotmail dot com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 17:33:35 -0500 From: Boomstick Industrie Subject: re: Sacred Songs in ET #570, Bill Lantz Wrote: >Does the CD have the "fake" needle lifting off the turntable >noise which preceeds the actual end spiral and needle lift >off area at the end of NYCNY (side one of the LP)? I just listened to the CD, and yes: NYCNY ends suddenly, then there is some record surface noise and a needle lifting off the record. Never noticed that before... Incidentally the CD is my roommate's, and it is a brand new (well, 1997) 20 Bit remaster. How cool is that??! Dave PS. To see what happens when Fripp and Hall really get together, you might want to check out my custom CD cover: http://interlog.com/~kabong/fripp.html Dave Oliver | Everyone talks about the weather, and nobody Lead Designer, | does anything about it, so I'm building Boomstick Industrie, LLC | a weather machine. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 02:23:06 -0500 (EST) From: deafjim at webtv dot net (James Crary) Subject: House Rules for Exiles Fripp's right. Why seek out people you know you dislike? I'm glad he established house rules to keep people like me out. It makes it possible to articulate the desire not to participate anymore. I love King Crimson. Always did, always will. But I have done so with a fury too bare, and a need too stark to be acceptable to DGM, and have been hated by some with a passion I can almost understand. I regret that. Aware that I am not the first person to think Fripp is referring to them when he is not, I'd like to say that I still find it difficult to believe that when he writes about a negative post to his sister that he suggested the police be contacted regarding that he doesn't mean the Pittsburgh police, though he says San Francisco. It's not the threat that bothers me so much as the issue of dignity. Why seek out what you knowingly dislike? Why call good people klansmen? Admittedly a rash, compulsive person, I am willing to put myself upon the honor of Elephant Talk that I won't post to DGM and the Fripp's anymore. Were I to break this commitment, you would have the opportunity to hold me up for scorn and to scold me in a way that would be justified, probably for the first and only time since my communication to King Crimson began. But it is something of a promise. Life is an open work. I am not saying I am unwilling to receive messages from DGM or regarding DGM. That has never been the case. They have always been welcome, and the more honest ones have been very touching, to say the least. But Fripp is right. I don't think I like what has happened, and to seek it out is to trouble myself more than it troubles anyone else. So that's my promise. I hope to find all the Crims sporting in acting as bobbies to be sure I hold to what is in fact a very difficult promise. Although I won't expect leniency should this "oath" be broken, it's not the fear that compels me, but the opportunity. In a free world, that's how it should be. Construction Site: www.inergy.com/crary ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 02:57:28 PST From: "stuart allison" Subject: Real Audio Radio Hi, Does anybody know any good prog real audio internet radio stations. One which played Crimson (obviously), Yes, ELP, Zappa, Eno etc would be good. All suggestions welcome (private Email please) (Sorry Toby, I know this is a bit off track but then again it is a bit on track!) Stuart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:24:58 -0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?B?TmVw/HRueeI=?= Subject: GIG REVIEW: Earthworks in L.A. Hi. Long time no post. At least a couple of years. Saw Earthworks in LA last Friday, Jan 22, at the Catalina Bar & Grill on Cahuenga, a small, and especially acoustically friendly room that serves great food, wine & jazz for about $50 -$60 per person, and that was exactly what we got on Friday. With a fantastic young trio (bass, elec. keys, tenor) supporting him, Bruford is now in his perfect element (At least until he decides to do something else). I don't want to go into any detail, so here's my single descriptive sentence: "One of a Kind" blended with "Chick Corea Elektric Band" plus a little bit of "Oregon" and a dash of something I couldn't quite identify, that caused the whole thing to coalesce into a sound & style that resembled absolutely none of the aforementioned groups (and nothing like you-know-who). Go see these guys. Neputnya ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 01:01:16 PST From: "john knight" Subject: GIG REVIEW: at last the 1998 show review Here on Elephant talk there has been a lot of confusion on the whole ProjeKCt two phenomenon. To this date I still have not seen any reviews of their shows that make any sense. So I have taken it upon myself to review the two shows I saw at the Parkwest in Chicago on June 3-4 of 1998. My review is based on extensive notes I took during the concerts. I do not have any bootlegs of these shows nor do I know anybody who does. Normally I wouldn't have to take notes since I have a photographic memory, but many audient were partaking in certain ILLEGAL substances that tend to erase memory. Before I begin officially, I need to talk about why I feel qualified to be a reviewer. First of all, I have a bias towards King Crimson since they are my favorite professional band. I have all the official albums except for the hip 80's break dance remix of Elephant Talk. My other qualification is that I am in DGM's records as having placed the largest order in their history. As a result I have everything from the sublime Dave Cross solo albums(yes,he still has IT!) to the unspeakably horrible Trapdoor(Village people samplers!?). My final area of qualification is that I am an improvization devotee. So when I say that the two concerts minus the solo acoustic Belewboloid songs and vrooom vrooom vrooom were about 45% improvized, I'm comparing them to the 100% improvized shows I have seen recently such as Derek Bailey in 1994, AMM in 1996, Art Ensemble of Chicago in 1997, and Fred Frith in 1998. By the way, I highly recommend all true King Crimson fans to listen to all of the above musicains. There are a few general comments before I talk about every song individually. Firstly, the concerts bore very little ressemblance to the Space Groove cd's. I interpret them as a sarcastic music statement akin to Eno's concept of Unwelcome Jazz. The 1997 double trio album was scrapped, so instead there is this single trio album of fake 80's fusion? Anyway, the concerts were real music. Everyone in the band seemed to be having fun, sometimes confusion. Many an audient thought that Belewboloid just started playing drums only a couple days before the shows. I don't know where they got their information, but I have known for many years that Belewboloid was originally a drummer. Before the concerts, I was always puzzled as to what exactly a Warr does. These concerts made it completely clear to me what exactly Commander Gunn was doing. These concerts were the best music so far I have heard from the Commander. Some ETers may think Commander Gunn has been overinfluenced by Mr. Fribble, but this concert demonstrated a bold new individuality. What about Fribble? Words could barely describe how way out there Mr. Fribble was for these couple of hot dates. All I can say is that he was directly connected to the source of all music. There were a few moments, especially at the June 3 show where I thought Mr. Fribble was going to burst into flames. There seemed to be about five songs in common between nights. The first song of the first show corresponded roughly the first of the second show. What both versions had in common were Fribble tapping and also playing in a manner like Brian May. The first night's version featured the Warr producing whale sounds, very catchy v-drums which somehow had Shaft-like guitar sounds coming out of them. The second night's version had Fribbles's guitar making 1999 type tones. I am not sure what this song was called, but some audient said it was Space Groove 3. The second song of the first night was linked to the seventh song of the second night. The foundation of this song was the piano duet between the Warr and guitar. The first night featured vibes played by all three instruments while second night had hissing drums and Commander Gunn going completely nuts. Perhaps this was Thrak Attak. The third song of both nights were related. Both featured Belewboloid playing marimba and glockenspiel in the gamelan style. On the first night Mr. Fribble played stereo pan flute. On the second night Mr. Fribble played techno decaying piano which somehow changed into explosions. The fifth song from the first night was related to the eighth song played by the trio on the second night. The characteristics of this song was a succession of sustained notes which reminded me of a song from the SUN-RA-esque 1967-9 Spiderman TV series soundtrack, Mr. Fribble playing extremely fast almost like Buckethead(AKA Brian Carroll), and weird noises I have not heard anywhere else since side 2 of Todd Rundgren's Initiation. The first night featured fast v-drums, Evening Star decaying Warr, and mysterious voices coming out the drums while the second night had snapping Fractal Zoom drums, wind guitar, and swiftly stereopanning dub effects. The sixth song performed by the ProjeKCt Two on the first night seemed to change into the fourth and fifth songs of the second night. These three songs started out with Commander Gunn and Fribble playing something like Heavenly Music Corporation with Belewboloid later joining surprisingly playing in a Bruford-esque manner. The weird part was where Fribble played so many notes that he ran out of frets! The fourth song of the second night reminded me of Hindemuth. The highlight of the shows was Heavy ConstruKction which wasthe eighth song of the first night and the second song of the second night. The riff, which was played by both Commander Gunn and Mr. Fribble was the heaviest riff I have ever heard in my entire life! For the first night's version of this Gothic masterpiece, Fripp went way,way out there! Just this one song alone is worth ninety six dollars! I hope this version is released to the public at large unedited. The DGM sampler version is severely neutered. The tenth ProjeKCt Two song of the first night was connected to the sixth song of night two. This is the only song mentioned in Elephant Talk from the Nashville debut. It involved a prerecorded voice going through Commander Gunn's gear and Industry style v-drums. The only words I was able to understand were "shadow of the universe." I did not think this song worked. Belewboloid and Mr. Fribble were confused during this. In addition to the five songs common between each night, there were three songs which only appeared at the first show. If anybody out there heard and the other P-2 shows and remember anything similar to the following, let me know. The fourth song featured many strange cat noises coming from Commander Gunn's Warr. The seventh song started out some of Fribble's soundscapes, followed by fretless bass sounds out of Commander Gunn's Warr, with Belewboloid producing nice white noise drums. Later, Gunn's Warr tone changed into a rude farting noise while Fribble started playing guitar similar to Richard Pinhas. Many people regard Pinhas as a Fribble clone, but if one listens carefull, one will hear his own style. Towards the end of this song Fribble played a riff that reminded me of an obscure Atari 2600 cartridge I used to play in pre-internet days. The ninth song featured Fribble on the guitar disguised as a fretless bass. Both nights ended with a new version of vrooom. Fribble played vibe guitar while Commander Gunn played baritone sax Warr. Belewboloid played a ridiculous drum solo in the middle. ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #571 ********************************