Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #558 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 558 Thursday, 3 December 1998 Today's Topics: NEWS: Michael Brook Gig Germany NEWS: et faq version 4.11 now online NEWS: New KC calendar available "Dinosaur" single Collectors' Club mmmm...salady (REVIEW of sorts) DC on flute; JW on violin Re: Flutes (and Violas) in KC Too Cool Adrian Norbert Fragg: the Lost Diaries Re: David Cross internet wall of anger (hit here) RE: Fripp & Sinfield Sabre Dance Midwest Used CDs RE: KC Tribute etc... David Cross ET'er in Amsterdam? London? For your consideration.... Japanese remasters of KC catalog send me some information Astor Piazzola; Nice Guys finish first In the Court of the Crimson Infants Digital Music Delivery Fripp writing lyrics? Who ever heard of such a thing! NOW AVAILABLE: KC -- The Beaton Sessions Re: David Cross Soundscape Snippets from e-prog at onelist dot com ProjeKt 0.5! Anyone interested in an ET musician's mailing list? Metheny on bootlegging (and other things) Double metre - Double meaning? Two-Pronged Thingie - Thanks and Moraz Bruford Lament Discipline Global Mobile Collectors Club - Rolling Stone Clipped GIG REVIEW: dc-et hits philly soundscapes, 11/22/98 GIG REVIEW: Space Music at the Winter Garden Nov. 19 ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.5b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- From: Michael Peters Subject: NEWS: Michael Brook Gig Germany Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:28:39 +0100 Michael Brook (guitarist with the Sylvian/Fripp band) and Djivan Gasparyan (Duduk player known from Peter Gabriel) will do a performance in a church in Cologne/Germany (Christuskirche, Herthastr., at 8 p.m. on Friday, December 11th) * michael peters mpeters at csi dot com * "escape veloopity" electronic guitar loop music * http://listen.to/michaelpeters ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:47:35 -0700 From: Steve Subject: NEWS: et faq version 4.11 now online Hello ET'ers, Starting with this release of the ET faq, I will begin to annotate updates and new additions. This should make it easier for frequent faq visitors to keep track of the weekly changes. The updates are indicated in brackets in both the question and answer areas. This week's changes include mention of the upcoming gold CD's of the Classic Catalog (pre-1990's) from Virgin/Japan for questions II.5 and III.3, as well as new question II.18: "Who played the flute parts on 'Exiles'?". As always, version updates occur every Sunday (barring vacations and hard-drive crashes), so stop by at et-web and check us out! -Steven Sthole et faqmaster sws at rmi dot net http://www.elephant-talk.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 20:22:25 -0500 From: Toby Subject: NEWS: New KC calendar available Hi everyone, I just received this following flyer (on paper) from DGM. The calendar is beautiful, by the way. Cheers Toby > Discipline Global Mobile Ltd > > King Crimson 1999 > > 30th Anniversary Calendar > > Discipline Global Mobile is pleased to offer the new large > format (A3) 12-month calendar featuring album artwork. > > This is a limited edition All orders will be filled on a > "first come first served" basis. > > Orders from Europe - please send UKP 15.00 > (includes postage and handling) > Discipline Global Mobile Ltd. > P.O. Box 1533 > Salisbury Wiltshire SP5 5ER > United Kingdom > > Orders from the Rest of the World - please send $20.00 > (includes postage and handling) > Discipline Global Mobile Inc. > P.O. Box 5282 > Beverly Hills, CA 90209 > USA > > We accept Visa or Mastercard > Checks written in U.S. $ drawn on U.S. bank, > Cheques written in GBP drawn on U.K. bank ------------------------------ From: DoubleTrio at aol dot com Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:09:26 EST Subject: "Dinosaur" single is anyone willing to part with their (US version) Dinosaur single? please let me know...thanks. DT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 18:10:00 -0500 From: "JOHN COONEY" Subject: Collectors' Club Please forward me more information on joining the Collectors' Club. Perhaps I'm blind but I was unable to find a log-on point on on any of your newsletter pages. Thanks. Jack Cooney, MD jcooney at prodigy dot net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:11:32 -0800 From: Eb Subject: mmmm...salady (REVIEW of sorts) Heard Salad Days, the new solo Belew disc, earlier this week. It's nice and certainly worth getting, but not one of Belew's important statements. I think the record would've been more substantial if he had written new songs actually DESIGNED for the acoustic medium, rather than just re-adapting some old favorites. Seems like taking the easy way out. His creamy wail of a voice also grows a bit monotonous, when supported by so little instrumental color. I doubt that the album will appeal much to hardcore proggies, with the exceptions of the three KC covers and "I Remember How to Forget." This is pop, and I have no problem with that. My personal favorites were "Dinosaur," "Men in Helicopters" (featuring the Eleanor Rigby Memorial Strings), the above "Forget," "The Rail Song" (always liked that one a lot) and "Everything" (which oughta thrill Ben Folds Five fans). I believe the only new compositions are "Return of the Chicken" and "Things You Hit With a Stick," both of which are fairly trivial instrumental snippets. I don't know which tracks are taken from Belewprints (don't own it, never seen it), but three tunes ("The Rail Song," "The Man in the Moon" and "The Lone Rhinocerous") are lifted from The Acoustic Adrian Belew. Okey dokey? Eb, ever unintentionally instructive ------------------------------ From: "Edgar Kausel" Subject: DC on flute; JW on violin Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:40:23 PST On latest ET, Biffyshrew at aol dot com, said : "The flute on "Exiles" is apparently David Cross. I have a reproduction of what appears to be a Crimso press release of the period, and Cross is credited there with "violin, flute, mellotron." Incidentally, the same source credits John Wetton with "bass guitar, viola, vocals," although I'm not aware of Wetton's ever having played viola with Crimso. (He did take up violin in his previous band, Family--as he put it, "there was a lot of bluffing around with wah-wah pedals" to disguise his lack of ability on the instrument!)" There's a note (with a touch of melancholy) by David Cross in "The Great Deceiver", saying : "The whole of our first UK tour was a time of experiment with everyone searching for ways to play together(...).There was a kind of good natured chaos to the performances which clung tight to a core of well rehearsed songs and instrumentals. At that stage I also played flute and sang - both activities I later thought better left to non-smokers. John also played violin and we used to a jiggy duet (until one of his Family clleagues criticised him at a gig in Leicester ; he never played it again.)" I'd love to have the complete "Beat Club" video footage and see those experimental days (a Collector's Club release, maybe ?). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:17:56 -0500 From: Joseph Christina Subject: Re: Flutes (and Violas) in KC > Incidentally, the same source credits John > Wetton with "bass guitar, viola, vocals," although I'm not > aware of Wetton's ever having played viola with Crimso. There is a a stringed instrument in Starless, featured prominently in the third verse. From the range, it's probably cello; though I'm not sure how low a viola can play. Of course, it could be Mellotron, but I always thought it sounded "live." Joe C. -- Read my interview with Geoff Downes of Asia at: http://members.aol.com/joejjc/Downes/Downes93.htm ------------------------------ From: "Grant Colburn" Subject: Too Cool Adrian Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:37:55 -0600 Oh Man Ray, Your post is "Out to Lunch!" Frank Zappa was the MOST structured musician around to play with in a band. Every note was notated in musical notation. Every band of Zappa's was made from auditions of musicians looking for recognition and a PAYCHECK. If you think Crimson has rigid structure compared to normal popular music and bands, then your perception of how music (especially rock) works is extremely flawed. Maybe you need to read a bit more about your favorite artists to get a clearer picture of the BIZ. ------------------------------ From: Bknt at aol dot com Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 13:58:16 EST Subject: Norbert Fragg: the Lost Diaries Dear Team, I have been forbidden, on pain of spit-spattering impedimentalization, from revealing how I discovered what appears to be an deleted diary entry from the journal of the Traipsing Friggster and perpetually disappointed coffee bar devotee, digitally reconstituted here as Norbert Fragg. Starbucks, November-- How we ask for cappuccino is how we ask for the salvation. How we receive our cappuccino, pathetically underheated with only a spattering of cinnamon, served 13 seconds after the snarggling blend was left to wilt by the lobotomized Marilyn Manson enthusiast whose refusal to remove the latest vocal hystrionics of a shrill mass-marketted, shorts-kirited harridan former-wife- of-recording-industry-weasel from the sound system, left the Bilious and Slightly Slurped Laptop Tappster less than non-plussed. Thus we must honor complicity and honor insipidity. Partial absorption of the opening pages of Snard Bobbogonzo's "Essays in the Insignificance of Guitarists I Have Never Met But Feel Arrogant Enough to Criticize in a Public Forum," purchased at the Barnes and Ignoble with "Practical Rabbitry" and "The Portable Wilton Carpet," yield specific conclusions: 1. To list comments numerically implies logic, progression and a Newtonian taste for tedium. 2. Though the manner in which a cappuccino is prepared may bring depression into the world, the shop in which the beverage is prepared is not large enough for pistols-at-twenty, or other antiquated forms of gentlemanly satisfication. 3. Thoughts transcribed under the influence of caffiene my have the potential for embarrassment, or may not. 4. The oft repeated injunction that the Trapising Friggster is marginally incapable of performing the musical structure known as the blues in not only incorrect, it is wrong and mistaken and in serious need of accountablility. I was there. I am an expert about myself. I know what happened. Nobody loved me when I was down and out. This last point is in reference to the previous evening's performance. Inadequately listed by the promoter as "an evening of groundscrapes," the earthbound expectations of audients were so enflamed that several among the Earnest Hirsuite Men seeking egotistical satisfaction made incendiary demands on the performer's attention, thus rendering the act of music impossible or merely foolish. When an audient insisted that the theater really was on fire, and that the performer should, at best, cease performing and run for his life, the guitarist, insulted and slightly singed, left. I am joined by Out Tray, a former member of the Ted Nugent String Quartet, who engages me in animated conversation about the difficulties of marketing musical proj-yecchs in which the names of the musicians--Mondrian Bayou, Mag Lev, Mat Pastamotto, Nils Newford have peculiar spellings that inspire acts of questionable humor in the music press. Tray expresses that ballistically inviting notion that audients who purchase our recordings, attend our concerts, and, in seeking to express their pleasure or in otherwise baying at the moon, make presumptions on the nature of the performers, should be shot on sight. I present him with one of Sister's "I've Been Fragged" buttons. Not understanding the humorous intent, he asks me if I'm suffering from post-dramatic art-rock syndrome. The conversation deteriorates after I mention I once wore velvet pants but only rarely rode in limousines. He accuses me of being a sissy and dumps the remainder of my cappuccino on my laptop and-- (At this point the diary ends--:>) Bill Kent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:07:13 +0100 From: Lennart Subject: Re: David Cross >From: "George Khouroshvili" >I wanted to ask for some information on D.Cross. I have his >albums "Big Picture", "Testing to Destruction" & >"Exiles". I've also just ordered "Memos from Purgatory" & >Low Flying Aircraft (with Keith Tippett). Can anybody tell >me if David has other albums or if there are other artists >he contributed to? I will be very grateful if you just send >me some info on his activities before and after Crimson. there is this other CD by Radius: "Elevation" (Ear-Rational ECD 1036), that isn't all that bad. it includes amongst other things a beatiful soft piece by Sheila Maloney. Low Flying Aircraft is quite another thing all together, it shouldn't be mentioned in the same category as the other David Cross albums, I beleive he was merely performing as a guest musician. don't get me wrong, it's really a great album! "The Big Picture" is my favourite with "Testing to destruction" as a close second. I think David has really found a wonderful style in the progressive rock genre. I find "Exiles" a bit too commercial, but I think he still remains in his own personal style, thanks david. sorry to lose John Dillon, but what a replacement Mick Paul would turn out to be! where does all these talented musicians come from? I really hope Sheila will be back for the next album! /Lennart * --------------------------------------- Elliott Sharp Homepage: http://www.algonet.se/~repple/esharp/es.html "My Back Pages - THE NICE Tribute Site" http://members.xoom.com/the_nice/ ------------------------------ From: "Christian Skina" Subject: internet wall of anger (hit here) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:03:13 +0100 For the folks in need of expressing anger I have a preposition: why not ask DGM to make available some Fripp dolls, that some of you can hit and insult. Also pieces of his (old) cloths could excite some fans and help them perform satanic rituals so please DGM, give them the chance to be happy. And I'll be happy to read his diary without interruptions in the smoothly flow of feelings. Maybe it's part of his sevenfold work, he must have a reason to bother answering flames. I personally don't find a reason to read them. Next preposition, also related to the anger: I volunteer to make an internet wall to display the verbal violence in the form of graffiti. I'm serious. People who need to express their anger at Fripp, why don't you email it to me, either as text or graphics (anything goes, I live in Holland-). I'll arrange them on levels of violence and on themes, see what we come out with. Of course, I'd ask Mr. Fripp not to react to them so the anger will be given the chance to grow. In the end something must happen, one way or another. I just feel a lot of energy wasted in dialogue, when one tells Fripp what he is supposed to do as (working and aspiring) musician and he explains what you have to do as fan machine. Please, if you send dirt email, do it seriously, I won't accept thin remarks. If you're not in a revolt mode, wait till you get there and then shoot this way. Be creative and good luck! ------------------------------ From: Biffyshrew at aol dot com Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:44:06 EST Subject: RE: Fripp & Sinfield Michael Tanigawa wrote: >On the Marquee cd, Greg Lake tells the audience that the >lyrics of "I Talk to the Wind" were written by "a friend of >ours called Pete Sinfield". This seems to suggest that >Sinfield was merely an associate of the band rather than a >full member at the time. I think Pete Sinfield was definitely considered a full member of King Crimson in 1969. He is, after all, credited as such on the ITCOTCK album sleeve. A press release from the period states that "Peter Sinfield...is an integral part of K.C." Mind you, Sinfield himself co-wrote that press release (along with Beep Fallon)! >On the Chesterfield cd Ian McDonald says that "Drop In" was >written by "Fripp, the guitarist". If he means the words >also, then that is a remarkable statement. I think the >lyrics would be worthy of even Jim Morrison. Fripp is indeed responsible for those lyrics. He told me so himself! Get on down, Biffy the Elephant Shrew @}-`--}---- ...visit me at http://members.aol.com/biffyshrew/biffy.html ------------------------------ From: Boobird at aol dot com Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 19:38:03 EST Subject: Sabre Dance Dear Folks, This may be a product of a thoroughly worn out and addled brain (life after 40 is not easy...), but to pose a question. Did I not read somewhere that "Sabre Dance," and a "strange" rendition of "Pie Jesu" represent the only output of the long-missing ProjeKct 3; aka Fripp, Mastelotto and Singleton? Just wondering... Mark NP: Car Wheels on a Gravel Road (Lucinda Williams) ------------------------------ From: thatguyagain at webtv dot net (joe portillo) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:23:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: Midwest Used CDs The Hastings Music store in Lawrence, Kansas has in their used cd section a copy of Damaged for $15.88 and the Great Deceiver for $39.99. Hope this is of some help to someone. NP: Bardo Pond - Lapsed ------------------------------ From: "future perfect" Subject: RE: KC Tribute etc... Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 02:18:01 -0500 >Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:01:00 -0700 >From: Herb Heinz >Subject: Tribute >A few thoughts on the tribute: >1. I think we need not limit ourselves to the idea that one >person must take this project over. Perhaps a committee >could be formed consisting of different people with >different strengths and interests. This would be challenging >because it wouldl require a level of coordination and >trust. Note that the Gentle Giant tribute, Giant Tracks, was >produced in this way. The arm of the tribute I am personally willing to put time into is a website to showcase the bands that worked on tracks which were originally submitted to Matt. Consensus decision making rarely works in the arts, and almost never over the internet. Again, I am speaking in regard to a website where there is no selection process and little to decide about. >2. Maybe it doesn't need to be a CD that is produced. Misha >suggested RealAudio links - unfortunately the sound quality >is pretty poor. What about MPEG3? I am not an expert in this >stuff, but maybe someone reading this is. I am not an audio expert either but Real Audio is the most prevalent audio format on the net and its ability to 'stream' is a BIG bonus. I think we are having difficulty defining the aim here. I would say the aim is for the bands who recorded the tracks to have their music heard (primarily by each other), thus paying tribute to one of their favorite bands. >3. We need to be concerned about royalties. Even posting >RealAudio files for free may not be legal. I don't know, but >again I bet someone does. Way back when we started this project Robert Fripp gave us permission to go ahead and do it. >4. Perhaps this discussion should be taken off of ET. Maybe >a separate mailing list could be created with participating >musicians and/or those interested in the project. That might >be a way to hack out these and other issues. >- Herb All I am asking is that if bands which submitted tracks wish to have their songs posted on a website then they can contact me. It is that simple. If you'd like to put together a mailing list, and a committee, and continue to attempt the production of a CD, that's great. I will submit my band's track for consideration. Having a website with tracks on it will not and should not effect the eligibility of the bands to participate in a tribute project in the future. I suspect many of those who recorded music for this project don't even subscribe to ET anymore, and my interest in this is limited at best. I just thought it would be nice for us all to hear each others' work. Misha ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - art music guitars-loops-flutes-devices-voices the NEW IMPROVED site: http://home1.gte.net/artmusic/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:07:29 -0800 From: "John Selby" Subject: David Cross David Cross plays on: four CDs by Jeff Serle"s Radius,a CD Jade Warrior, a Mellotron compilation"Rime of the Ancient sampler",Psycomuzic -Send, Daniell Dax - the Human Flower, a Shock Head Peters EP, Clearlight Symphony- Forever Blowing Bubbles, the Butterfly Ball(on ARGO). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 02:02:35 -0800 From: Jonah Stein Subject: ET'er in Amsterdam? London? San Franciscan Traveling to Europe. I am traveling in Amsterdam from 15 December to 19 December and again from January 7th to the 13th. I will be in London from the 4th to the 7th. Any ETers who would be willing to show me around town would be rewarded by my indebtedness and a promise to return the favor if They ever get to San Francisco. Alternatively, if any of you know a show I shouldn't miss while I am there, please let me know. Hell, I even think about KC "shrines" I should see if you can recommend any. All responses in person please. -- Jonah Stein Jonah at dslnetworks dot net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 02:28:18 +0000 From: "Mr E M'`Dia" Subject: For your consideration.... This seems a more appropriate place for this message than DGM. Do you agree? 11/02/98 After The 2nd Projekct 4 Show in San Francisco. Dear Friends, Robert Fripp did something he reputedly never does. He spoke to the audience in a personal way about personal feelings. It inspired some in me and you may endure them if you will. First, he related his sisters' observation that the concession stand lacked Projekct 4 tee-shirts and her willingness to put her own there. Patricia Fripp is quite the entrepreneur. I'm guessing she chided him for not exploiting an obvious commercial opportunity to satisfy an assumable demand. He doesn't appear to think about $$$ as a dominant motivator, as you may have noticed and hopefully may come to appreciate...emulate. He then told us a story about having told a story to an 1980's San Francisco audience with his sister in attendance who later claimed that she could tell the story better. He then told the story. It goes something like this... A pig and a chicken visiting San Francisco had a conversation in which the chicken declared "Let's give something to the people here. We can give them breakfast of bacon and eggs" to which the pig replied "That's easy for you to say because you only need to contribute. I must give total commitment" Aside from it's obvious meaning, I saw the telling of it to mean Robert Fripp wants to love us (audients) but he must respect us and we must demonstrate we deserve it in a way he can accept. My guess is that any demonstration of your total commitment to your craft will suffice but in the meantime, I recommend you buy the product/support the arts. Total commitment is, after all, what he demonstrates to us again and again in a variety of ways; the most recent of which are Discipline Global Mobile in general and the performance I just witnessed in particular. There is no pretense of perfection with this Discipline but this very lack of pretense and perfection inspires the demand for Discipline in order to minimize overwhelming chaos. It must be daunting. Orchestrated chaos can be awesome when it resonates something familiar within. John Cage was pretty good at it. So are the masters I saw tonight- flubs and all. They are, after all, daring to tread new ground in front of us FOR us. There must be no confusion that what DGM is doing is motivated out of crass economics inspite of the need to resort to its' methods. They dare to create so that we might dare to appreciate. I say this hoping DGM will see the inevitability of bring formal concessions on the road and that they may be shielded from scorn for doing so. Thanks for letting me get that out of my system. -- Mr E M'`Dia (c)1998 EYE-Con-O-Clast(tm) >question: If knowledge is power >and power corrupts >will absolute knowledge corrupt absolutely? >-Mr E M'`Dia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:26:16 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: Japanese remasters of KC catalog Hi, folks! The latest Artist Shop newsletter is out and you'll find it in its entirety at . There is one little item in there that will be of specific interest to ET'ers. In our list of forthcoming import releases you'll find the following: KING CRIMSON-BACK CATALOG: BEAT DISCIPLINE IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING IN THE WAKE OF POSEIDON ISLANDS LARKS' TONGUE IN ASPIC LIZARD RED STARLESS AND BIBLE BLACK THREE OF A PERFECT PAIR 20 bit digitally remastered Japanese reissues of the bulk of the legendary British prog group's albums for the E.G. label, each on a gold CD & in a miniaturized LP sleeve limited to the initial pressing only. Each includes all of the tracks from the original releases. I should mention that I do not believe Robert Fripp or any past or present member of King Crimson was involved in the remastering process or any other aspect of these releases. There have been a lot of CD's fitting that description (20 bit digitally remastered, each on a gold CD & in a miniaturized LP sleeve limited to the initial pressing only) that have been coming out of Japan lately. One of those was the self titled McDonald and Giles CD. Ian McDonald himself told me that not only wasn't he involved in any aspect of that release, but that it all came as a complete surprise to him! So given that, it doesn't seem likely that Fripp was involved in the above mentioned releases. Perhaps he would care to comment on them. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 00:43:08 +0300 From: "karnak" Subject: send me some information Thank You! R.F. fan,Dmitry Vasiljev,from Russia.Especially I'm very interested in latest 6 E. T. and in what mr. Tony Levin is doing now. I cannot get connected to the Internet often but there are no problems with Internet mail. Some day we hope to see Robert Fripp making big noise in Petrozavodsk (this is my hometown). If it doesn't happen we'll make another great show. There is a girl looking exactly like Robert Fripp and we'll ask her to take Les Paul in her nervous hands and then we'll play very loud 'The Gates of Paradise'. (The show will be for free.) There are more angles but I forgot about them. Remember only that they were concerned with hit-parade of KC and R. F. records tat are good stimulators for erection and sex, of course (what erection means without sex?). I remember ' God Save the King' was perfect but 'Discipline' had one descending interval. I mean 'Matte Kudasainen' (it's beatnik from Finland, very very slow guy in his one of the seven centers). So, thank you and write me please ------------------------------ From: ganderso at notes dot cc dot bellcore dot com Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:22:32 -0500 Subject: Astor Piazzola; Nice Guys finish first Brad Wilmot mentioned Astor Piazzola's album "Zero Hour". This is an unbelievable, already legendary album of Avante Jazz Tango (though "Avant" is probably inappropriate for the post-Coltrane era). It totally kicks ass, and at it's best is better than the best sex most of us have ever had, particularly us married men (isn't most music?). As for Fripp being a nice guy or not a nice guy, I'd like to re-iterate a question I have asked in another form before. So long as a performer (let's say.........Fripp) doesn't actually sink a knife into someone's heart or is a pedophile (hello James Levine), why do we find it so damned important that he be a nice guy? Isn't it easier to just assume he's a stinker, and then listen to his music? I mean, stinkers and other antisocials can still make excellent music, no? (Hello Buddy Rich & Chet Baker). Do we consider, then, that buying someone's music is in part a reward for them being a nice guy? Then, of course, there may be a category of person who does not equate being liked with being a good person. "Let your left hand not know what your right hand is doing." This is a type of person that is trying to determine for himself what "good" actions mean and consist of, and is sure to make mistakes along the way. There is the added plus that if this person happens to be a stinker, then you will interact with a stinker, and not an image that the stinker is trying to put forth in order to be liked. -Emory ------------------------------ From: marc_i_roemer at ccMail dot Census dot GOV Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:32:03 -0500 Subject: In the Court of the Crimson Infants Just read this interesting, wise post on the DGM website. I tried to email the writer for clarification, but my messages keep bouncing. Oh well, if you're reading this, Allmighty Arch-Emperor of the Universe, could you drop me a line privately? I would be honored to thank you directly for your life-altering wisdom that has graced my pathetic existence. I've never experienced such a wonderful journey. There are so many things I would like to ask you, if you could just spare a few moments to answer me right away. Thank you.