Reply-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Discipline #55 Discipline, Number 55 Monday, 21 September 1992 Today's Topics: Sleepless video Eno's Nerve Net Where do you buy KC CD's? Crimson video USA "The Mince" & yet another crimson cd for sale Re: Discipline #54 What did Belew write? I don't know, but... Re: Crimson Videos Crimo Transcriptions Fripp on new Eno -- more comments [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1992 14:06 CST From: Kai'ckul Subject: Sleepless video I may have this somewhere. Many years ago a local station broadcast the concert vid The Noise (complete with awkward commercial breaks), and I believe the videos for both Sleepless and Heartbeat were inserted at one point or another. The quality of my dub is pretty bad. Sean carruthers at tkm dot BrandonU dot ca [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 13:01:54 PDT From: malcolm at wrs dot com (Malcolm Humes) Subject: Eno's Nerve Net > Finally, any opinions/recommendations of the new Brian Eno album _Nerve Net_ > would be appreciated. Here's a rehash of something I posted plus some additional comments regarding the Fripp elements of this: Brian Eno's Nerve Net comes with a statement inside: This record is:- Like Paella A self-contradictory mess Off balance Unlocked Dissonant Frenetic Evanescent Overheated Godless Clockless Reckless Squelchy Unamerican Technically naive Far too vague Derivative of everything Post cool Post root Crunchy Bluff Post world Post man Too much Not enough Revisionist Shamelessly exhibitionist Untailored Uncentered Cleary the work of a mind in distress Where-am-I music Tunestack: Fractal Zoom 6:24 Wire Shock 5:27 What Actually Happened? 4:41 Pierre in Mist 3:47 My Squelchy LIfe 4:02 Juju Space Jazz 4:26 The Roil, The Choke 5:00 Ali Click 4:13 Distributed Being 6:10 Web 6:21 Web (Lascaux Mix) 9:44 Appendix: 12. Decentre 3:26 ------ 63:41 -+- Overall I'm quite impressed - this is essentially Eno's first solo release with vocals in many years, and it makes a lot of references for me back to the sounds of Another Green World, but also makes more modern references to his groundbreaking works on My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts and also shows Eno's been keeping an ear open to what's happening in the dance music scene - I suspect he's been to his share of raves in the last couple of years. Fripp appears on about half of this release (on tracks 1, 6, 9, 10, 11), but in a much less prominent role than I had hoped. One of the best tracks with Fripp from the shelved _My Squelchy Life_, "I Fall Up", is sadly missed by me - I'm still wondering what happened to all the good material that Eno dumped from My Squelchy Life. Partly it's not really true that this is a "vocal" Eno release, in that there aren't really many "songs" on it. There's a fair amount of words, an odd rap and some singing, but these aren't really songs, and I find this curious because on the review copy of My Squelchy Life which I heard there were a couple of songs which never made it to this - MSL was in a way more retro, and it appears that Brian took the last year to rethink his approach and to target a more modern focus in Nerve Net than he had with MSL. Fripp's role here is not very prominent - it's certainly not a new "Fripp & Eno" collaboration. There's one searing Fripp solo on track 9 (I think) and that sounds almost like a conscious effort to one-up the solo on "Baby's On Fire" from Eno's Here Come the Warm Jets. Fripp is on Web, and the first mix of that track is very droney lush industrialish sounding with Robert Quine (Richard Hell & The Voidoids, and Lou Reed's band) also guitaring a bit. It's a long dark moody thing. The "re-mix" of this track is different enough that I don't feel it's out of place on here - gone are the sustained drones of the guitars on the first mix, at least at first, which gives the piece a very different character. Overall I like it, but there's a goofiness to a couple of tracks that I find awkward and I doubt they'll grow on me. There's a pretty heavy focus on rhythm, which might put some folks off a bit, but he does manage to make some of the drum tracks a bit odd, like the stuff on Another Green World that sounds like he used a Wurliter organ for the beat box. One person I know noted that the textures and tone colors here aren't typical Eno, that it lacks some of those elements that might make these tracks indentified easily by an older Eno fan. But it's still Eno to me. As Adrian might say - "I LIKE IT!" ////\ ////\ malcolm at wrs dot com /\\\\ /\\\\ //// ____________//// _______________||||_______________ \\\\____________ \\\\ \\\\ ------------\\\\ ---------------||||--------------- ////------------ //// \\\\/ \\\\/ Malcolm |||| Humes \//// \//// [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 16 Sep 1992 16:19:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Joshua A. Vaughn, DePauw University" Subject: Where do you buy KC CD's? Hi Folks. I am new to this list and am wondering where you people find the Crimson CD's. I've only seen three in music stores in Indiana: Compact, In the Court of..., and one other one featuring Fripp, Bruford and someone else. (sorry, i don't remember anything else about it.) I only have the CD of Compact KC, and I think it is excellent, but I don't understand why if it was 'sposed to be a overview of KC why music was only taken from four albums and two line-ups. Also, the tape and albums of Compact KC have a couple more songs not on the CD. I've heard of a 4-CD Box Set called Frame by Frame, but I haven't seen it anywhere. It seems from the first issue of the digest that most people are discussing the Fripp/Belew/Levin/Bruford line up. Are they working on a new album? [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: kstuart Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 18:09 PDT Subject: Crimson Video From: Ken Stuart Message-ID: <4218qB1w164w at waffle dot sns dot com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 18:09:14 PDT Organization: Systems'n'Software, Fremont, CA 94539-6669 Hello, There was a Crimson concert on MTV in the early 80's.... 3oaPP era, I believe. I THINK that was also a commerically available video.... And, there exist video tape traders who trade (or sometimes sell) video tapes of various bands which are usually collections of bits and pieces off the air - sometimes from Europe.... Ken PS I don't care much for the USA album - perhaps Fripp shares my taste in this :-) :-) ---- kstuart at waffle dot sns dot com (Ken Stuart) Systems'n'Software Free Public Access BBS --- (510)623-8652 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 11:37:35 EDT From: benson at diamond dot ICD dot Teradyne dot COM (Henry Benson) Subject: USA As far as USA not being released on CD, I remember reading (either in an interview with Fripp or an article written by him -- not sure which) that he did not like the concept of releasing live recordings. He felt that concerts were a personal experience between audience and artist, and should not be rehashed over and over again (or words to that effect). I wonder if this has anything to do with it? Henry [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: steve%golan at netcom dot com (Steve Yockey) Subject: "The Mince" & yet another crimson cd for sale Hi all, I placed an order for some King Crimson discs recently and since the guy didn't have one I wanted he just annoyingly decided to send me the disc of his choice. Of course, he sent me the Ansterdam show (11/23/73) that I already have many copies of. Rather than send it back immediately, I thought someone here might be interested. I actually have 3 CDs of the ansterdam show now. Cloudy Air Lobster Records Book of Saturday Flashback Lament Great Dane These are pretty much identical except "Cloudy Air" has a DJ talking between (not over) some of the songs. Lament & Cloudy air have band photos while "Book of Saturday" does not. So I'd like to get rid of 1 or 2 of these discs. Prices: Lament $21 Cloudy Air $20 Book of Saturday $15 (because the disc and artwork are rather abused, but plays fine) Or trades for these items (for other CDs or tapes) would be great too. Please respond soon regarding "Lament" because I need to send it back if no one is interested. Speaking of bootlegs, I recently got "The Mince" a 2cd set on the "Silver Rarities" label. The bulk of the discs is a London Rainbow Theatre concert in '73. The concert is pretty continuous though I don't think it's complete (despite the fact that I've seen it advertised as such). I'll post a track listing if there's interest (I don't have the discs with me now). The show contains more Fripp to audience communication than any boot I've come across. He reads some very humorous American reviews of Larks' Tongues to the audience and also threatens to dance a dance called "The Mince," hence the title of the CD. Maybe I'll transcribe this stuff if there's interest. This show also features some improvisational pieces that you may not come across anywhere else! Bonus tracks on the CDs include a 23+ min improv from Bremen '72 ! and 2 tracks from Berkeley '73 (including Doctor D). Oh, and sound quality is surprisingly quite good! A bit worse on the bonus tracks. -steve steve at scopus dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: PRESTON@morekypr Subject: What did Belew write? I don't know, but... To: TOBY at cs dot man dot ac dot uk >Thanks for the clarifications on the songwriting process in The Group. Now >that I've listened to "Waiting Man", it does seem like Fripp wrote the tune >and made Adrian come up the words to it. On the other hand, songs like >"Heartbeat" and "Two Hands" sound like *Crimsonized* Belew songs. I now >regret that I missed Adrian's solo tour! It would be pretty hard for Adrian Agreed on those two tunes, althought I have to plead ignorance on being familiar with much of Fripp's work *other* than with King Crimson. That makes it tougher to hear where the Fripp ends and the Belew begins, even though I've heard almost all of Belew's recorded history. Although Belew has a distinctive voice, he is capable of shaping it in so many different directions it is often hard to decide the midpoint of his range. >to find musicians who could play the Crimson material at the technical >skill level of Fripp,Bruford, and Levin. If he wanted a band that could >play those songs with all the fancy syncopations and harmonic twists he >would need, IMHO: >Guitar - Al di Meola, Frank Gambale, or Steve Morse I don't think any of these guys would work on guitar, but it's not likely that Belew will plunge headlong into that type of music without Fripp anyway. This pop/Motown kick he's been on looks pretty consistent. Oh, btw, Gambale is an Australian. He sounds like a Yank now, but he's an Aussie. :) Off to see Mr. Holdsworth in a few hours... yee-haw! Jeff Preston [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: pvallado at sdcc13 dot UCSD dot EDU (Paolo Valladolid ) Subject: Re: Discipline #54 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 18:50:00 PDT > According to Eric Tamm's book on Fripp, Trio was, in fact, a LIVE What is the title of this book, and where can I order it? [[It's "Robert Fripp: From King Crimson to Guitar Craft", by Eric Tamm, published by Faber and Faber. Your friendly local bookshop can order it for you! -- Toby]] In January,1991, a _Guitar Player_ reader wrote that Adrian Belew appeared in two Crimson concert videos and that these videos were available from Jean Records. With the address given by this reader, I tried contacting Jean Records, only to have my letter returned because of a bad address. So far, the only visual image I have of the band is a photo which appears in something called "The Encyclopedia of Rock" (something like that) where Fripp stands to the left, hand raised to chest in mock salute, Belew peeks out from the right edge of the photo, Bruford, with one left hand on Belew's shoulder brandishing his right hand in a fist at the camera ( a la Sean Penn, with silly dyed blond hair ), and Levin standing between Fripp and Bruford, laughing at Bruford. I guess I'm just out of luck, as far as Crimson videos are concerned ;-( Maybe this has been discussed before, but did anyone hear Belew's voice and signature guitar licks in a beer commercial? I only heard this radio commercial once and I just couldn't believe Belew would...well, the economy is rough, isn't it ;-) Cheers, Paolo [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: kstuart at waffle dot sns dot com Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 20:37 PDT Hello, So, there is a new Eno album - Nerve Net [at least it was scheduled to be released :-)]. Does anyone have this - any reviews forthcoming? What is the Fripp content, if any? Thanks, Ken ---- kstuart at waffle dot sns dot com (Ken Stuart) Systems'n'Software Free Public Access BBS --- (510)623-8652 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: chuck at cs dot unsw dot oz dot au (Mark Andrew Hawling) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 11:23:54 +1000 Subject: Re: Crimson Videos Sleepless gets played reasonable often here in Australia on an all night music show called RAGE. In fact they use a mix of it as the kinda theme music for the shows promo. I'm bound to have it somewhere on one of my tapes. Another piece of video is a live bit of footage from 1984 recorded at some American TV show. I remember there was a r revolving stage to facilitate band changes. I remember also seeings acts such as Lou Reed and Berlin (yuck) on this show. Anyway it includes live footage of Sleepless. Man With an Open Heart, and Elephant Talk. The audience also seems to be filled with quite a few busty, discoing ladies, which is quite amusing to see them dancing to this stuff. Mark [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: chuck at cs dot unsw dot oz dot au (Mark Andrew Hawling) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 92 18:48:56 +1000 Subject: Crimo Transcriptions Does anyone out there transcribe any Crimo material. I've worked out some stuff like Lark's Tongues Part II, Shizoid, bits of Red and such, but still am unsure about bits and pieces here and there. It would be nice to be able to compare with other peoples transcriptions and swap stuff because it is a real pain to work out some of this stuff considering all the independent lines Fripp favours. Mark [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 20 Sep 92 15:17:13 BST From: Toby Howard Subject: Fripp on new Eno -- more comments Fripp is credited as playing on 4 of the tracks (one of which, 'Web' is here in two mix versions). The overall tone of the album is sort of beat-box plus ambient, and bits of various tracks are very reminiscent of Eno's previous stuff. I liked the whole thing on first listen, and it's grown on me a lot. 'Distributed Being' features an absolutely DEMENTED almost atonal Fripp solo -- played with his normal fuzztone, but with a much 'sharper' feel. The guitar on the second mix of 'Web' has a much slower feel, and some of it actually sounds slowed-down to me. On 'Juju space jazz' Fripp plays 'early 50's club guitar', with a staccato super-warm jazz guitar sound. There's only a few bars of this. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] To join this group or have your thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to Toby Howard at the following address: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk The views expressed in discipline are those of the individual authors only.