Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #481 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 481 Wednesday, 1 April 1998 Today's Topics: NEWS: DGM 8-track cartridge reissue series NEWS: Tony Levin interview in Hairdressing Today GIG BIZ: ETers meet at May 2 Baltimore gig GIG BIZ: Let's tape the Huntington P2 gig! Heptaparaparshinokh TAB wanted Is drumming really music? New *Improved* Standard Tuning My Fripp Encounter Re: Elephant Talk Women and King Crimson _Beat_ is a great album wHAT IS A mELLITRON ANYWAY? Rare Fripp autograph for sale -- $250 O.N.O. Rarity? An Audient Writes Selling my stuff Theries help with info please GIG REVIEW: P2 at The Mineshaft, NYC :-( GIG REVIEW: P2 is the new GOD! GIG REVIEW: ProjeKt 2 does San Fran ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ to ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ETWeb: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/cgi-bin/newslet.pl IRC: Regular get-togethers at #ElephantTalk on Undernet Sundays at Noon PST / 3pm EST / 8pm GMT Mondays at 6pm PST / 9pm EST / 2am GMT THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.5b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:11:32 EST From: Bart Lloyd Subject: NEWS: DGM 8-track cartridge reissue series Just heard from a contact in the biz that DGM is to begin a re-release series of classic KC albums on 8-track cartridge. Apparently there's a *huge* enthusiasts' market for the old 8-tracks -- both tapes and machines. Amazing! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:10:01 -0500 From: Peter McManus Subject: NEWS: Tony Levin interview in Hairdressing Today Hi ET Check out the latest edition of Hairdressing Today (it's May I think), on the newstands this week. Great interview with the great TLev, focussing on his fame as a muso-baldie, and his tips and tricks on keeping his pate in shape on the road. Ace read. TLev is the MAN! Later Pete ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1998 00:13:12 EST From: uglymutha Subject: GIG BIZ: ETers meet at May 2 Baltimore gig ETers Wanna meet me at the P2 gig, May 2 Bohager's, Baltimore? Be at Tammy's Tavern, 34th and Winston for Happy Hour 5pm. Drinks and tacos. Bring your stories/boots/zines. Everyone wear large green hats so we know were ETers!!!!! Yeeeeeeh! %^&*%^&*%^&*%^&*^&*^&*^&*^&*^&*^&*^&*^&* % James Haughtily III, iconoclast * %^&*%^&*%^&*%^&*^&*^&*^&*^&*^&*^&*^&*^&* ------------------------------ Date: Monday, 30 Mar 1998 00:11:32 From: Jono Subject: GIG BIZ: Let's tape the Huntington P2 gig! Hi I'm new to ET -- just saw an old Emanuele vid and discovered Kign Crimson! So glad to be hear. I have tix for the ProJEct 2 Inter-Media Arts Center gig at Huntington, May 9. I just had a cool idea -- let's record the show! I have a walkman that records and maybe I can put mikes in my sleeve -- hey if I use both sleeves maybe its sterio???????!!!! Does anyone have a camcorder they can bring we can connect them and shoot a video and stuff. Or maybe P2 will have lines out the mix board like the Dead yoosta? Jono ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1998 00:11:32 EST From: Nigel Gemby Subject: Heptaparaparshinokh I've been checking out Fripps solo work and am wondering what "Heptaparaparshinokh" was inspired by. Not the music but the name. I mean its reeeaaaaaalllyyy loooooong!! Its got to be the longest word in any of his releases. I keep thinking that we're lucky Fripp didn't decide to call "Red" "Heptaparaparshinokh" instead!! Not only would we all spell it wrong, but could anyone even request it at a show? Think about how different things would have been if Lynard Skynard had called "Freebird" "Heptaparaparshinokh"!! Bad enough shouting that out sober, let along stoned and drunk! Nige ------------------------------ Date: Tue 31 March 1998 11:22:56 -0600 From: Jimbo Subject: TAB wanted anyone got TAB for soundscapes? mail me jimbo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:11:35 EST From: Faith Meeno Subject: Is drumming really music? All you guys talking about Bruford being the greatest thing since slice bread and getting all wound up by drumming set ups and techniques and such is starting get me all riled up! The thing is, dumming alone is BORING!! Its noise. Bang Bang Bang!!! Ok, sure dummers provide the beat to a song (those that do that kind of thing!), but what would any KC tune be without Fripp's soaring guitar work or Wetton's or Belew's vocals? I can certainly imagine them without the drums. Just listen to Trio. No drums there. Not needed!!! That's why I love Soundscapes! Not a drum to be heard, not even a sound that mimics a drum. I've never really understood why so many bands take fro granted that they need a drummer. More bands should shake up that misconception and try things without one. It would make for a better world IMHO! [ Things that would make the world better are now off-topic. -- Toby ] Faithfully Faith! "Combing the streets for intelligence I stumbled on more stupidity than I'd ever imagined" - Johnny Rotten ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:11:32 EST From: Henry Subject: New *Improved* Standard Tuning My respected ET fellows, Mr Fripp has indeed provided food for thought with his "crafty tuning" (CGDAEG, low to high) and I have found it inspirational to relearn my repertoire in it (mostly Xenakis and Elgar arrangements). In fact I've been inspired to devise my own tuning. I'm almost ready to go public with it, but not quite. I call it the New *Improved* Standard Tuning What I can say at this time is that it's truly revolutionary: it's logical, and falls naturally under the fingers. Chord clusters trip off the strings like elves at play in the noonday sun, and complex simultaneous lead lines, bass accompaniments, finger picking and octave leaps are possible using only the thumb. I am a Scientologist. Henry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:11:33 EST From: Jake Youngman Subject: My Fripp Encounter Hi, First time poster. I've been lurking on this digest for a few months and really think it's (did I get that apostophe right?) one of the best reads on the Internet. Thanks Toby you do a great job, and I love the web site you maintain!! Where do you find all the time?! Well I thought I relay this amusing encounter I had at the Bottom Line soundscape show last December. It was before the show and I had been boozing up a little in preparation for what I knew was going to be a unique performance, and, well I needed to relieve myself. The line was a little long and I didn't have time to wait to get inside to use a toilet, so I scurried around back and was able to find a dark area to do my thing. I'm like mid wiz when a door opens and out comes this guy, and I'm thinking I'm going to get caught! To my great surprise it's Robert and he hasn't noticed me (I stopped to not make any noise). I'm thinking I want to say something, shake his hand, tell him how him music has been such an inspiration to me, but I'm in no position to do so. He couldn't have been out there for more than 30 seconds before someone from inside called him back in, and he entered the building again. Needless to say that was one amazing pee! It was a night to remember!! Jake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:12:12 EST From: Wayne Subject: Re: Elephant Talk what is this Moderator shit?? Who is this half-assed fucker? I send posts to ET and toby bounces them saying "please write gramaticly" and "please use a proper subject line" and shit. I mean get a life -- like do I have time to LABOR OVER EVERY FUCKING WORD??? I fuking think NOT man. So et sucks like swampwater -- and so for that matter does Fripp. I write him now like TEN letters and send my tapes asking how to make it in the music biz and get like NULL-OH response. Egad. And I put Dobly on my tapes (twice in fact to really cut the hiss) and everything. And you can take me of this list noone ever talks about Yes anyway. Notes From My Hedge of whateverthefuk its called is way cooler Wayne from Seattle Microsoft Software Engineer (W98) Hut 6, Bay 16, chair 32b, pizza delivery chute 9. ** ** ** Snoop Doggy Dog say "Uh". Snoop Doggy Dog say "Uh Uh". ** ** ** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:44:23 -0300 From: "Lillian Fairfax" Subject: Women and King Crimson All this talk about women and King Crimson's music reminds me of the time my husband and I broke up. One of the reasons for it (apart from all the violence, drinking, whoring and sexually tramsmitted diseases that is...) that I cited in our case was that he "played that damned annoying music all the time" and named some of the more annoying stuff explicitly. Sure enough, one of the most annoying ones that I quoted were by King Crimson. Especially that one with the face on the front. The irony now is that I have a boyfriend who has all their stuff and I find I quite like it. So I suppose the point of this story is that it's not King Crimson that really puts women off, it's the association with domestic violence and clap clinics that does it. Lil ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 07:34:00 -0500 From: "Denise Scott" Subject: _Beat_ is a great album I don't get the idea why so many people are keen to knock _Beat_. I'd say it was a far more important record than _anything_ that the band has ever turned out. Instead of boreing us all to death with seudo-intellectual lyrics about purple pipers and sailors' tales, it has a real pop sensibility about it and definately reflects a growing knowledge that pop appeal is what sells music. I regret that they didn't follow this one up with anything more positive than 3OAPP which is full of depressing garbage. If theyd have stuck with the _Beat_ formula then they'd at the top of the charts right now and would be in the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. Instead they are just marking time, releasing their old rubbish in a sort of "clear-out-sale" and expecting us all to buy it. Come on Bertie Fripp! You can do much better than this! Forget King Crimson! Give us Kid Crimson and the Coconuts! Denise Scott kcfan at brtl dot ac dot uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:23:00 -0000 From: "TomJ" Subject: wHAT IS A mELLITRON ANYWAY? IM NEW TO THE KING CRIMSON'S MUSIC AND WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO TELL ME WHAT A "MELLITRON" IS. I THINK IT IS THE ELECTRONIC THAT MAKES GREG LAKES VOICE SOUND LIKE A DALEK ON THE RECORD BUT IT ASLO APPEARS ON LIZARD AND GREG LAKES VOICE SOUNDS JUST LIKE IETHER A MAN WITH A HEAVY COLD OR JOHN ANDERSON. CAN SOMEONE HELP PLEASE? YOURS SINCELREY TOM. TOM0456 at AOL dot COM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1998 05:35:11 -0700 From: Tom Wiesneck Subject: Rare Fripp autograph for sale -- $250 O.N.O. For sale - three rare autographs from the rock and roll hermit Robert Fripp, all signed in gold pen on three posters marked 'Soundscape' with cheesy-looking screen prints. $250 secures all three, or nearest offer. [ In future all posts of a commercial nature, while still permitted in ET, will be subject to a levy. 10% of sale monies shall be distributed among the entire ET readership. Seems only fair. -- Toby ] Tom Wiesneck (tw at aru dot com) Autographs-R-Us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Mar 98 11:28:34 -0500 From: bigdood at webtv dot net Subject: UNSUSCRIBE ELEPHANT-TALK-LIST YOUR_EMAIL_ADDRESS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 12:11:13 -0000 From: Victor Lonsdale (vls at berols dot com) Subject: Rarity? While clearing out my brother's apartment last month we came across a set of old reel to reel tapes which he had been storing for a friend. Three of the tapes are marked "Schizoid (Track)" and are marked with a serial number that looks like 16LLK45. Are these rare? What are they worth? Vic (vls at berols dot com) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:19:34 -0000 From: Frank Catterson Subject: An Audient Writes I This is my first post to ET and I hope it won't be the last. Thank you. II Some time ago, Robert asked us to discuss to role of the audient in a performance. This is a broad question which has many generalised questions. The simple answer is 'to listen' but the longer answer is 'to listen also'. III The listener's duty to listen is without question. Whether this is or isn't feasible depends on the listener and to what is being played. The band plays; the audient listens. This is the only arrangement which makes any sense. Unless the audient claps, at which point they become the performers and the band becomes the audients. The division blurs. This is a key matter of importance in discerning who is who. IV Even in the course of their applause, the audience must be prepared to listen. Even in the course of the announcement of 'good evening' from the stage, the performer is still in the course of his performance. Performance is a sacred rite to be enacted in complete privacy between the performer and the stadium full of audients. Even the surreptitious act of recording the event from the forty eighth row will have an immeasurable effect on the performance, damaging it for the other audients and, more significantly, for the performer. The act of stealing the sound ruins the performers performance and may as well signal the end of the show. V Or not, depending on whether the performer will start asking for bootlegs to make up their new retrospective live albums. VI A question often asked of a King Crimson audience is 'what do the lyrics mean'? The short answer to this is 'whatever they mean to you'. The long answer is 'whatever they mean to the performer in the course of the performance, which in itself becomes an incantation realising a magical state between the performers and the audient. Even the surreptitious act of transcribing the lyrics from the forty eighth row will have an immeasurable effect on the performance, damaging it for the other audients and, more significantly, for the performer. King Crimson's lyrics have always had a deep significance for me. Their meaning to me cannot be imparted due to the fragile magical state they intone, but their significance is undiminished through the years. Except for 'The Mincer' which most agree is rubbish. VII Good Bye and thank you Frank Catterson, Audient (f_catterson at eyys dot ip dot com) [ Thank you, Frank, for a wonderful post. ETers: sharpen up. Let's have more of this cerebral stuff in ET please. -- Toby ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:37:54 -0600 From: igotreligion Subject: Selling my stuff I'm selling all my stuff. I recently read that Jamie Muir turned into a monk after playing with King Crimson and so I'm selling all my stuff and I'm going to join him whereever he is. I have too much stuff, and lots of it. Too much of it to write all down here and Toby would kill me if I did anyway, and then I'd be dead and unable to join Jamie, so suffice it to say I'm selling it all. I mean, if I were to list it all here, best that I list it like this: Items for sale: ALL Now the thing is some of that stuff is of interest likely to those of you who still see a use in possessions. I have a lot of stuff ETers would love to have. In fact, I have one of everything! So no need to list it - like I said. And I'm not looking to make lots of money. I won't need much where I'm going. So it should seem like a pretty good deal to most of you. Are you looking for a rare master of Lizard? I've got that. Do you want a never played LP of USA? I've got that. Looking for original Hyde Park footage? I've got that too! Like I said, I have it all, that's why I'm getting rid of it. After a while you can't have it all - where would you put it? Well I figure some of you want what I have so I'm going to let you have at it. Drop me a line and some thought on how I can find Jamie Muir so I can join him in his quest. Thanks and so long, [ And don't forget the new ET sales levy -- Toby ] luc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:58:41 -0600 From: Uma Hilka Subject: Theries I hav a fwe theries I want to share: - Pat Masteciole has left the band. Someone here has said Mister Mister is reforming. - Adriean Belew isn't really a happy person on stage. He just looks that way. - Robert Frip likes doing things the way he likes. - Bill Buford is no so intelligent as people make him out. He justs like banging on things. - Tony Levin is really bald. - Trey Gun is really running things now. The new King Crimsom will sound more like Trey than anyone. I have this in from very reliable source. Now I ask some questions: - Why do we like this band? - Why do we like to know why women like this band? - Why do we spent so much time reading about why we wodner why women like this band? I think we all have to much time to do this. We should get life and grab it by the hands. King Crimsom is a good band but so is Yes and ELP and Genesis and I don't see so many people complaining about them. Listen and live life. People like this stuff and move on. I like chocolate, but I don't listen to it and obsess about it. And it is cold here most the time. People have time to listen to the mucis which is good then. I think people who read this will believe allmost everything thats read. If Fripp syas to bake a cake, then we will all do so? Maybe I would if chocalate cake. Well that's all my theries for now. Hope it helps break the ice. Thanks for listening. Uma in the ice world ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:07:14 -0600 From: Murphy Wollery Subject: help with info please Hi, I just found this really great site and I'm amazed that it exists! I though I was the only one who liked this band! Anyway, I'm trying to find some info, so perhaps someone can help me. I understand that there is some touring going on. Can someone please tell me the tour dates!!! Also, I'd love to find some photos, does anyone know where I can find some? I'm interested in buying some KC records I don't have. Could someone give me a review of thrak attack? Also (I know its a lot to ask), where can I find lyrics to King Crimson songs? Finally, I'm looking for some interviews. Do you know where I can find some. Again thanks for the great site. It looks really nice. Maybe one day I'll read through it and see what's there. Go KC!! Murph (*He who seeks will find - famous greek proverb) ------------------------------ Date: Tuesday 31 March, 1998 11:53:40 -0600 From: Big Charlie Subject: GIG REVIEW: P2 at The Mineshaft, NYC :-( From the instant P2 took the stage it was magic. Musical magic. Musico magico. And then, it was suddenly all over. In the middle of an improvisation in which Fripp, Trey and Adrian all made what I can only describe as "windy sounds", one of them takes out a Nikon and flashes the audience -- the crowd is in mid-clap for chrissakes! To the immense disappointment of the band, the audience immediately stops clapping and leaves, without a word. So, to whoever in the band flashed the crowd: you're an asshole, man! Big Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:10:44 -0600 From: Vince Strobello Subject: GIG REVIEW: P2 is the new GOD! John Lappen's (Hoolywood Reporter) review of the HOB P2 show stated: "The threesome made as much glorious noise as anyone on the planet..." I think that John's words are little harsh. P2 made THE MOST glorious noise ever heard in the WHOLE UNIVERSE!!!!! I came to see three musicians twiddling around in their public research and development of a new sound for the greater Crim, but I found myself in the presence of 3 GODS who took me to places I'd never dreamed possible!!!! This was more fun than humans are allowed to have. People, listen to me!!!! I tell ye all the TRUTH! Look, I'm pinching myself right now! OUCH!!! This was no dream folks. If you haven't seen P2 yet and they are coming to your town, kneel at the shrine because a new brand of religion is about to blow your mind away! HOB should be HOG! Vince vincent at nettowns dot com http://www.nettowns.com/swapamundo/~vincent -- laugh at yourself and you'll see just how funny you really are! -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:25:57 -0600 From: Man'O'War Subject: GIG REVIEW: ProjeKt 2 does San Fran Yo ET people! Well we got to the very Great American Music Hall nice and early for the Mar 21st show and revved up by getting adequately watered down at a nearby hole. The crowd was pretty good from the git go and soon enough the soundscapes started setting the mood. However, this was no soundscapes show! This was wild stuff man! Funky, boppin' (Bobby!), driving, rolling, raw, fresh, dancing, crazy, out there music! Like the others have said, Fripp was facing Trey and Adrian, but we could see his pretty good from the crowd. He was having a real good time. Mid way through the first set, some stoner turned to me from in front of me and burped in my direction saying "I'm outta here - this isn't the Crimson King!" He needed help so I helped him to the door and out! No need for his type in there. I think most people there were grooving to this thing they were seeing and hearing. Trey was amazing! I used to think he just was in the band to look pretty, seeing how generally ugly most of the other band members are, but he really showed us that he could play. I think even Fripp was having trouble keeping up ;^) And Adrian was have a great time on the V Drums. These are the perfect drums for he that loves finding a new noise/sound all the time. After the show I picked up my very own copy of Space Grooves and I've been grooving in space ever since. Thanks for the great show guys and thank you Tony for this great newsletter. I don't know how you put up with us. Man ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #481 ********************************