Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #476 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 476 Friday, 20 March 1998 Today's Topics: NEWS: ET Web: Tour Dates pages reorganized NEWS: IRC Chat with Levin & Torn, info on Wetton NEWS: DGM Conference? NEWS: Auction GIG BIZ: SF Tix Available? GIG BIZ: Att: Paul Williams re PROJEkCT TWO GIG BIZ: Warning: 3/21 SF P2 Ticket Grovel Approaching GIG BIZ: Re:ProjeKct Two (SF Show) What's new ??? Fripp Reference in the Phil Keaggy Newsgroup (!?!?!?!) Guitar Craft Ian Wallace's Bands Tony slapping ET aphorisms / TWP review Yikes!!! (was: re: whimper) Fripp, Toyah, Hammill with The Stranglers Rhythm/Time, G3 Disc, Which Fillmore? Crimson "Read", ProjeKcts, Rethreads, and more... Tony Geballe & Gorn, Levin, Marotta KC cover version The Nightwatch - Review Tony Slapping... It B.L.U.E. me away Hypothetical question Brain fart, Frippmare, reunion not! king crimson lineup???????? Fripp on The Residents "In the Court of the Crimson King" (BBC lyrics vs. album lyrics) Ian McDonald on Titanic Soundtrack GIG REVIEW: ProjeKct 2 at The Ventura Theatre GIG REVIEW: Projeckt 2 GIG REVIEW: Projekct Two at the Ventura Theater GIG REVIEW: PROJEkCT TWO-Getting "Fripped-Off"! ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ to ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ETWeb: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/cgi-bin/newslet.pl IRC: Regular get-togethers at #ElephantTalk on Undernet Sundays at Noon PST / 3pm EST / 8pm GMT Mondays at 6pm PST / 9pm EST / 2am GMT THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.5b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Friday 20 March From: Toby Howard (ET Moderator) Subject: NEWS: ET changes ** please read ** Hi everyone. Just a note to tell you a few small changes at ET, which I hope will make things slightly more useful. - I've introduced a new catgory of post: "GIG BIZ". This is for people wishing to beg, sell, trade tickets, arrange to meet friends at gigs etc. Please add "GIG BIZ" to the subject line of your post. - If you post a review of a gig, please tag your subject line "GIG REVIEW". Cheers Toby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:57:31 EST From: DanKirkd Subject: NEWS: ET Web: Tour Dates pages reorganized I've spent a couple of nights reorganizing the ET Web Tour Dates pages, which were becoming a little disorganized (we can't have that!) what with all the different touring going on these days. The new pages are split out by year (retaining past tour dates is still of interest to many people), and ordered by date in tabular fashion. The good thing is I've stuck everything in a database and I simply regenerate the pages when I make changes, so future maintenance will be trivial (always a good thing!). Anyway, keep me abreast of missing dates/info and I'll make sure the pages are kept current, or let me know if you have any further suggestions for them. Happy gigging! Dan ET Web ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:57:35 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: NEWS: IRC Chat with Levin & Torn, info on Wetton Hello Friends: The latest Artist Shop Newsletter is out and you'll find it in it's entirety at . Below is a special edit of the newsletter for my fellow ETer's. Our friends at Northern Publishing who put out the John Wetton biography, My Own Way, have made available a limited number of copies autographed by both the author, Kim Dancha, and John Wetton! You'll find details on this on our Wetton Bio page at . Also Wetton makes a significant showing on the new Japanese double import CD, "Progfest '97," performing UK's 'In the Dead of Night,' 'Rendezvous 6.02' and King Crimson's 'Starless.' Also appearing on this double disc are Le Orme, Arena, The Flower Kings, Spock's Beard, Big Elf and Sinkadus. You'll find this listed under various artists in our Import Text Catalog specifically at . In the department of IRC Chats The Artist Shop definitely has some big news! We have another killer chat lined up for Sunday, March 29th at 5pm EST. This is a joint chat with King Crimson & Peter Gabriel bassist Tony Levin and experimental guitarist/loopmaster/sonic mayhem maker David Torn. On the IRC page you'll find details on how to join the chat along with a cover graphic and soundbites from the forthcoming Bruford/Levin Upper Extremities album. This is not an album to miss! In April they will be hitting the road on the east coast to support this album. Here is the latest update on those gigs: Bruford - Levin Upper Extremities Bill Bruford -drums, percussion and a little keyboards Tony Levin -basses and stick Chris Botti -trumpet David Torn -guitars and loops CONFIRMED PERFORMANCE ITINERARY EAST COAST APRIL 1998: April 13 New Haven / Toads Place April 14 Philly / T.L.A. April 15 Washington / Birchmere April 17 Baltimore / Orion (2 shows) April 18 New York / Knitting Factory (2 shows) April 19 Boston (Cambridge)/House of Blues/Live Internet Broadcast Note that April 19 will be part of a live internet broadcast! I don't have information yet on how to access that netcast, but that's certainly a good question for the chat, eh? Also you'll definitely want to ask questions about Tony's participation in the new Magna Carta release, Liquid Tension Experiment with keyboardist Jordan Rudess, guitarist John Petrucci and drummer Mark Portnoy. This has just been released. You'll find it at . This is one album I can't recommend highly enough (Upper Extremities being another) and every post I've seen on it praises it to the skies! Just a reminder that we are taking pre-orders now on the new Steve Hackett/Tokyo Tapes available as both a double CD and a video. The Tokyo Tapes is due out the latter part of April and documents Steve's recent tour of Japan that included John Wetton, Ian McDonald, Julian Colbeck and Chester Thompson. Those who have seen the Japanese laserdisc version of this concert have reported being totally blown away by the power of this band! You'll find The Tokyo Tapes listed at . Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:46:43 -0500 From: "dumela" Subject: NEWS: DGM Conference? FYI from the CGT schedule of upcoming events www: > April 4th, 1998 - The CGT will be performing in Tokyo at a special > DGM conference. Other DGM artists will also be performing. More > information will be available ASAP. Any other clues out there? tj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:46:17 -0800 From: "Brian T. Perkins" Subject: NEWS: Auction Surf over to WWW.AB_CD.com and check out auction #5 in progress. I spotted a couple of Fripp/Sylvain goodies there that might interest those completists among us!! Happy hunting Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:28:18 EST From: Inghead Subject: GIG BIZ: SF Tix Available? Does anyone have one ticket available at cost for the Sunday 3/22 show at Great American Music Hall in San Francisco? We only got two and a good friend wants to go. Hoping to pay cost if possible. Let me know. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:24:15 -0000 From: "Brian Thomson, London UK" Subject: GIG BIZ: Att: Paul Williams re PROJEkCT TWO Sorry for the band-width abuse - could Paul try to write to me again re the table at PROJEkCT TWO? Your company's mail server doesn't know who you are and is bouncing the mail! Thank you Brian Thomson, London UK bnt at ibm dot net "" -- John Cage, 4'33" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:23:45 EST From: MarkJX Subject: GIG BIZ: Warning: 3/21 SF P2 Ticket Grovel Approaching Hi All - I am visiting San Francisco from Colorado and managed to get a ticket to Palookaville tonight (see you there!), but still want a ticket for tomorrow's show at the Great American Music Hall. If anyone knows where one might be available, please send me an email. I can pick it up anytime, anywhere. (Of course, I wouldn't mind it if P2 decided to perform anywhere in excess of 500 miles from saltwater, preferrably within eyesight of the Eastern slope of the Rockies ;-) Worst case, I'll try to get an "aftermarket" ticket at the venue. Has there been a venue decided for a preshow gathering (either night)? If not, a place in SF called 35 Slanted Door was recommended to me. It's at 584 Valencia and supposedly is an inexpensive place for a nosh. Thrak On! Mark J. PS: I must say that some of you are VERY agile! I read a post in yesterday's ET offering a ticket and submitted a (late) request a mere 12 hours later! I need a T1 line! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:47:51 -0800 From: "Garza, Tony" Subject: GIG BIZ: Re:ProjeKct Two (SF Show) I just saw four tickets for the 21st show (S.F.) on the KFOG web page. Here's the address: http://www.kfog.com/tixSwap/index.html Good Luck Tony Garza ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 9:51:44 -0800 (PST) From: CBYUN at ucrac1 dot ucr dot edu Subject: GIG BIZ: Projekct 2 Slight change in plans--anyone interested in meeting for the March 24 HoB show, we're meeting at 6:00 instead of 6:30. Hope to see you there. Christie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:13:02 -0500 From: claire st-jacques Subject: What's new ??? I know there are a lot of stuff in the pipeline, but will somebody confirm if Crimson still exist as a band. I like improv. but composed material is what becomes classic after all. Was THRAK the last real (ooops) Crimson album ? Are the creation workshops called PROJEKCTs the only future for the crimheads ? Lots of non-answered questions I'm not the first to ask. Levin talked some months ago of a forthcoming Crimson album; what about that ? If somebody has concrete infos, share it with us as soon as you can. Please, if it is a philosophic answer, I think we had enough of that now (don't tell me Fripp hates Bruford or something like this). Addicted to Crimson !!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:25:46 -0500 From: dschippe at ford dot com (David Schipper (R)) Subject: Fripp Reference in the Phil Keaggy Newsgroup (!?!?!?!) There's been an interesting discussion on the Phil Keaggy guitar newsletter about "Essential Non-Phil Guitar Solos". Mr. Fripp and/or KC came up twice. One was the solo in Elephant Talk, which I wasn't surprised about. But the other one I found interesting. It was listed as number 5, with Jerry Garcia, Roy Buchannon, Eric Clapton, and Jimi Hendrix above it. It was listed as: >5. Robert Fripp - solo in 20th Century Schiziod Man - off King Crimson's > Earthbound album BTW, Phil Keaggy plays alot with a looping system called a JamMan. Alot of his concerts are done solo with Phil looping all the parts on the fly, sort of like Fripp, although Phil's stuff sounds more traditional blues/rock type music. He also started in the mid to late 60's with a band called GLASS HARP. They were big competitors of The James Gang, back when Joe Walsh ran them. Dave Schipper ...................................................................... Knowledge is a deadly friend When no one sets the rules - P. Sinfield - ...................................................................... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:11:55 -0500 From: Claude Gillet Subject: Guitar Craft I, my name is Melisande, I'm from Montreal and I saw Robert Fripp at the Club Soda. I want to know when is the next guitar craft seminar level 1, where it's gonna be and how much is it, all the details. Please send me an answer, thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:30:26 PST From: "Douglas Robillard" Subject: Ian Wallace's Bands Dear ET, Here is a contribution to John Smallwood's proposed list of Ian Wallace's bands. I was glad to see Ian's still active. I recall that around the time of the LARK'S TONGUES album, Robert Fripp mentioned that the ISLANDS personnel were playing with Alvin Lee; reportedly they thought Lee had "great ideas, but had trouble expressing them." If memory serves--and with my creeping "old timer's disease," it doesn't always serve!--Wallace performed on an album with Alvin Lee and Mylon LeFevre (my spelling may be off). I've never owned the album, and it's 20+ years since I saw a copy, but I think Mel and Boz may have appeared on some tracks from this record. Didn't the ISLANDS alumni play with Alexis Koerner for a time, too? Best, Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:22:32 CST From: Andy Dean Subject: Tony slapping I think we've established that Tony Levin is indeed slapping on the album version of "Sleepless" ... I don't think he's slapping on "Thela Hun Gingeet", however. Actually, what's surprising to me is how rarely I've heard TL slap. I own several CDs with him on them (don't we all) and the only other song I can think of on which he slaps is Peter Gabriel's "Digging in the Dirt." I guess with the advent of the Funk Fingers he doesn't really need to! --Andy Dean ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:26:39 -0500 (EST) From: skantere Subject: ET aphorisms / TWP review Dear friends, Hey, I think it's time for us to come up with The ET's answer to Guitar Craft Aphorisms. Now that we're quickly approaching 500th issue, it could be an impressive body of collective wisdom. Here's my first vote: > I don't think "soul" is a requirement for a good guitarist. > - Brandon C Wu (ET474) I don't know if CDConnection customer Mr. Mark E. Mccourt is an ETer (something tells me he isn't), but I can't resist reproducing his mini review as found at cdconnection.com: > DiE9507 +FRIPP*ROBERT THAT WHICH PASSES > $13.24 &DISCIPLINE 3/97 > > Must be a gastrointestinal reference... > - Mark E Mccourt, October 16, 1997, USA Please note that my opinion does not (necessarily) agree with that of a brilliant Mr. Mccourt. Also, look at the CDConnection item number for this record. Nice short form for Discipline, isn't it?! Thanks very much to ET Team, esp. Toby who's cranking out them issues with unprecedented regularity! All the very best, Sergei Kantere Moscow, Russia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:12:28 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Stok Subject: Yikes!!! (was: re: whimper) jmooney at bigyellow dot com said: > [...] . The third group looks much better in short > skirts than the other two. The thought of Chris Squire in a short skirt scares me. Round our house the current favourites are King Crimson and The Spice Girls ... this probably reflects the difference in the interpretations of "interesting" from me and my wife's daughter :-) I will not comment on any anti-Yes bias, it was the first image that sprang into my mind, honest... Mike -- mike at stok dot co dot uk | The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply. http://www.stok.co.uk/~mike/ | PGP fingerprint FE 56 4D 7D 42 1A 4A 9C http://www.tiac.net/users/stok/ | 65 F3 3F 1D 27 22 B7 41 stok at colltech dot com | Collective Technologies (work) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:03:55 -0500 From: Guido Hoerster Subject: Fripp, Toyah, Hammill with The Stranglers Hi You all, I just found a CD containing the live recording of one of the two Stranglers' gigs from 1980, when their guitarist/vocalist Hugh Cornwell was in jail due to drug abuse (what else did you think ?). The Stranglers had signed these gigs prior to Hugh's arresting and were unable to cancel them. So they invited some friends (Robert Fripp, Toyah Wilcox, their present guitarist John Ellis, Peter Hammill, Steve Hillage (ex-Gong and now with System 7 and occasionally The Orb), and some more) Here's a track list stating the most interresting guests (as far as I figured it out, 'cause there's no detailed list on the cover): 1. Introduction (an announcement of course) 2. Tank (Robert Fripp on guitar, Peter Hammill on vocals) 3. Threatened (Robert Fripp on guitar, maybe Steve Hillage on 2nd guitar ?) 4. The Raven (Peter Hammill on vocals, maybe Steve Hillage on guitar ?) 5. Dead Loss Angeles 6. Bring on the nubiles (Toyah on backing vocals ?) 7. Down in the sewer (when KC is artrock this is artpunk !!!) 8. Toiler on the sea (mistuned 1st guitar by Hillage ?, Fripp on 2nd guitar) 9. Nice'n'sleazy (ugly, with a vocalist who couldn't remember the lyrics) 10. Duchess (Toyah on vocals) 11. No more heroes 12. Five minutes 13. Something better change (Toyah on vocals) Of course, The Stranglers were considered a punk band, but due to the fact that they had instrumental soli in their songs stretching them sometimes to more than 6 minutes (listen to their version of Burt Bacharach's "Walk on by") and a virtuosity on their instruments any other punk band lacked, I am not very surprised to see persons like Fripp and Hammill side by side on stage with them. By the way Peter Gabriel's first solo-performances with Fripp aka Dusty Road were on pun festivals. - Hmm, were Fripp and Toyah married or at least a couple in 1980 ? - For those who are interested: 302902 on Hallmark/UK And now I'm going back to "B'Boom" Ciao, Guido -- _______ / \ / \ Guido Hoerster | _ _ | Muehlenpfordtstrasse 5 /\|-(O)-(O)-|/\ D-38106 Braunschweig \/| ~ ~ |\/ Tel.: 0531-346491 (privat) | > | 0531-243090 (gesch.) | \___/ | \ / \_______/ ~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:52:31 -0500 From: Robert dot Cambra at harpercollins dot com (Robert Cambra) Subject: Rhythm/Time, G3 Disc, Which Fillmore? Hi ETers, Im very glad this newsletter is moderated and with such intelligence, wit and humor as it is. But I think one thread has has been snipped before its time, possibly through a misunderstanding. The is-Bill-a-good-drummer-since-he- doesnt-play-in-the-pocket thread was stopped as a Bill-is-good/bad thread. And I was very disappointed, because I was reading this as a how-do-musicians-evoke- and-create-rhythm-and-time-what-the-are-the-differences-and-these-are-some- examples-(one of which it Bills playing) thread. A lot of interesting things were said about this very subtle and important subject and it was really going somewhere. I hope no one will hold back any contribution to the thread I was reading. By the way, does anyone know if Fripp in featured on the new Satarini G3 tour CD? The encore songs are there but on the cover there is no mention of Fripp or picture of him with the other guys. Also, are there any old hippies out there who could clarify something for me? A portion of Epitaph was recorded at the Fillmore West in San Francisco. Bill Graham also had the Fillmore Auditorium. One was at Geary and Fillmore, and the other Market and Van Ness? Which one was where? Looking forward to two nights with ProjeKct 2 this weekend at The Great American Music Hall! Robert Cambra ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:53:30 -0500 From: s craig stamm Subject: Crimson "Read", ProjeKcts, Rethreads, and more... Hello Again Greater Crimhead Teammates, Time once again to de-lurk and offer some commentary: 1) Did you notice? The ET team has recently changed the "subject" heading on the web newsletter to "crimson" or "red" in color. This is quite appropriate in view of the subject matter. 2) Kudos to Les and Dan (ET#472/473) for braving the wash from how obvious the KC in "ProjeKct" is spelled. I'll go one step further and say that only the K is capitalized because only half of our experimental group is present in any ProjeKct. This stands out when compared to THRaKaTTaCK, where only the vowels are in small case. 3) Having read ET for over a year now, I do see persons repeating threads previously covered, which could become quite tedious to veteran readers. I think it is perhaps better to be understanding here for the sake of the new readers, but I guess if you want to check your thread out on the archive search engine first before posting, it might be nice (and it could also give you a quick answer to your question/comment). 4) I think it is great that Dan (ET#473) is putting together an ET survey page. Let's all participate!! Although the top ten survey seems to have gotten a little bit out of hand (as suggested by Eb) we have to tip our hats to Louis and Ashley for putting the hard work into it. This is a thread that I am interested in and will respond to before it becomes too late. The problem is that I have literally hundreds of albums and CDs, so exact counts are difficult. Hence, we can easily see where subjectivity can come into play here. 5) I wonder how the presence of the Schizoid Dimension CD affects the tribute work that Matt is doing? I got the CD for Christmas and was a bit disappointed by it (especially the "Exiles" edited cut). Perhaps KC is the most difficult band to do a tribute to without going "arrgggghhh"! 6) Let's hope that the January 1998 30th anniversary is capped by a new Crim album! I hope that DMG plans celebrations on both sides of the "big pond", and that Robert Cervero comes out of review retirement one more time. TAFN, Craig (Dr. C#) PS--I sure miss Ted White's comments on ET, so please de-lurk when you get a chance Ted. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:16:47 GMT From: Mickael Vedrine Subject: Tony Geballe & Gorn, Levin, Marotta In et473, someone asked about reviews for Tony Geballe's "Native Of The Rain" and Gorn, Levin, Marotta's "From The Caves Of The Iron Mountain". I bought the former twice : The first time was for myself. Being a 12-string guitarist, I was impressed by Tnoy's performance at the September Playback in London. The album is "du meme acabi" (what's the english for that?). I never heard anyone play 12-string like that! Inventive and heartful, the author has certainly learn a lot from the different kind of music he studied. One more thing : his guitar playing is really personnal and, I think, not so Fripp-ish. Then, I bought it a few days ago for my father's birthday. I think it's really an album to be known all over the world (I remember at the September Playback David Singleton telling someone that was a very good album, and he knows what he's talking about!). I also bought "The Caves" at the September Playback. We heard one excerpt and my girlfriend was so impressed I didn't even thought of not purchasing it. Apart from a really fine booklet, this recording is full of impressive Levin's stickorbass work, surrounded by Jerry Marotta's Taos drums (did you ever see such a kit?), magnified by Steve Gorn "stratospheriques" flutes. Don't forget the enhanced track, with an interesting video ot the making of the album (but only for anglophones, no subtitles, so when you live in France you cannot really show it to your friends, you've got to keep your enthusiasm for yourself). This doesn't sound at all like any track from "World Diary", neither like any King Crimson side project, and I really love it. Relaxing, calm, with a wonderful sound quality (thanks to Tchad Blake's technical skill). Don't miss it!!!! One more thing. I just bought AdrianBelewPrints, and all I say is ..............................................!!!!!!!!!! Is the volume 3 (live) to be released soon by DGM? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:29:36 -0500 From: Guido Hoerster Subject: KC cover version Hello, dear Crimsonists, this is not entirely a new information, but it might be of interrest fo some of you: In 1993 a German folkrock band called "M. Walking On The Water" released a six track hommage to some of the greatest bands of the seventies. The track list is: 1. Carpet Crawl (of Genesis) 2. In the court of the Crimson King 3. Bungle in the jungle (of Jethro Tull) 4. Golf girl (of Caravan) 5. Roundabout (of Yes) 6. Child in time (of Deep Purple) All songs were rearranged and sound really strange in comparison to the originals, as the sound itself is very different compared to the band's regular releases (ok, they use a violin, but this does not mean it's folkrock). The KC track has a length of only 4:10 and contains only the first part of the original. The title of the CD "Pictures of an exhibitionist" is of course a hommage to Emerson, Lake & Palmer. The cover itself is an adaption of Pink Floyd's "Atom Heart Mother" showing the band members naked painted in black and white posing instead of the cows on the original. This CD is a must have for any hardcore artrock fan, but I doubt that everyone finds it a pleasure listening to it. Sorry, I only know the German release number: 519538-2 on Polydor, Germany I don't know if the CD is still available, because it was released as a special prized mini-CD and the chance of being limited is very high. Another question if someone wants to discuss: Who else sees/hears structural similarities between Faith No More's "Angel Dust" CD and the work of King Crimson ? I only ask because I found a similar statement about KC and Primus in an older issue. Greetings, Guido (aka DKM) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 98 07:26:23 EST From: c62op27 at ibx dot com (Victor Fiorillo) Subject: The Nightwatch - Review This is a reprint of a review that appeared in the 3/18 edition of the Philadelphia Weekly, one of the two local "alternative" newspapers. King Crimson The Nightwatch Discipline King Crimson never had the hooky songwriting that made Yes a radio staple, nor did they indulge in the grandiose pomposity that made millions for ELP. They did, however, pretty much define the conventions by which these bands and most other art-rock bands play. Nowhere is this more apparent than on The Nightwatch, a two-disc live set recorded in 1973. The lineup -- drummer Bill Bruford, violinist David Cross, vocalist/bassist John Wetton and mastermind guitarist Robert Fripp -- was arguably Crimson's strongest. The material, largely from Lark's Tongues in Aspic and what was to become Starless and Bible Black, is profoundly rich and varied. And the performances -- probing, intuitive, and focused -- are simply magnificent. ELP and Yes, some of whose members got their start in Crimson, have certainly placed such challenging explorations in more accessible contents, but not a single one could match the inventive vitality that's documented here. **** out of ****. by Ramsay Pennypacker - - - Is the label Discipline, or is it Discipline Global Mobile? [ The latter. -- Toby ] ------------------------------ From: Matt Walsh Subject: Tony Slapping... Date: Mon, 16 Mar 98 18:51:00 PST <> You've obviously never heard "Sleepless", or maybe it just escaped you at the moment. Then again it could be that I've been working too late and am imagining it, which reminds me, I need to stop working and get to band practice... Later, Matthew Walsh Software Engineer - Strategic Management Group mattw at smginc dot com mattmonkw at aol dot com Matt's personal CD jukebox - Currently playing and annoying co-workers with: Victor Wooten - "What Did He Say?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:40:15 -0500 From: bruce higgins Subject: It B.L.U.E. me away The Bruford Levin Upper Extremities CD doesn't hit the streets until April 14, but you can order it at the PapaBear website. http://www.papabear.com/pbccorder.htm I did. And it arrived today. I immediately dashed out to the car to tour around grey upstate NY and be assaulted by Mssrs. Bruford, Levin, Torn, and Botti. I was. It has been a while since I smiled so much listening to an album for the first time. The production is superb. IMO, on first listen, B.L.U.E. blows Cloud About Mercury (a *very* fine album) into the weeds. The material is more varied, the sound is more visceral, and Chris Botti's fervent work fits into this Crimsoid-ish setting much better than the detached stlyings of Mark Isham. But the question is, tho need one really ask, do Our Heroes shred? They do. Wait no further than track 2, Original Sin. We start off with a nice jazzy solo from Botti, while Torn agitates in the background, itching for his turn. With a spoken, "you got it, Torn", Botti steps aside, and holy hell, the guitar solo that follows... to illustrate, on a later track ("Cobalt Canyons" aka "No Trace for the Furies"), sure to be enjoyed by fans of the 80's and 90's Crimso, Torn is credited with "wack gtr, and big vile winged things". Bruford and Levin shine throughout. An early candidate for album of the year? It is. Highest recommendations. Am I looking forward to the Northeast mini-tour? http://www.papabear.com/bluetour.html You bet! Tickets are secured for the first and last nights. Get yours NOW. While it is going to be an immense treat to see this group in clubs, I think the B.L.U.E. music would sound *great* in a football stadium through a zillion dollar PA... B___ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:24:44 -0800 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Hypothetical question Hello Talkers, I have a question for you all. Let's say, for some reason, that you owned an instrument that was previously owned by one of the members of King Crimson; an instrument used on a variety of non-Crimson albums and tours. Oh, for instance, let's say you owned one of Tony Levin's old Chapman Sticks. How much more, do you think, would it be worth than say another instrument of the exact same make and model never owned by a member of King Crimson? Would it be ethical to ask more for it, if one were to sell it? Or would it even be realistic expect more? Do such instruments have a collector's value? Feel free to answer me in private email, if you (and or Toby) do not want the list cluttered with responses to this. [ Yes, private email only please. Perhaps Jason could summarise if he feels it's of interest. -- Toby ] Cheers! * -------------------------------------------------------------- Jason R. Thornton || Chapman Stick, Silver #2125 * -------------------------------------------------------------- "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson * -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:50:48 -0500 From: s craig stamm Subject: Brain fart, Frippmare, reunion not! Dear Greater Chrim, Sorry about the "brain fart" in my latest post. Naturally, the 30th anniversary of Crim's birth would be on January 13th 1999 (not 1998). Also, I wanted to report my first Crim dream (or more accurately a Frippmare) that occurred a couple of days ago. In my dream, my wife and I go to a beautiful cathedral/church to see the Frippster play. When the "show" starts, he comes out dressed in white robes accompanied by ushers dressed in Crimson robes to a pulpit where he sits down with his Les Paul guitar. However, instead of starting up a gentle soundscape he goes right into David Bowie's "Dead Man Walking" with powerful vocals and all. The crowd goes wild!! I remember telling my wife that Robert never sings, and then she snaps a photograph with a flash camera (I must have forgot to tell her) and the ushers come out and drag her away backstage while the concert goes on. I was so disturbed that I woke up, and either fortunately or unfortunately couldn't fall back into the dream. The dream seemed so "real", and as a rarity for me it was in color! Perhaps seeing Bowie and Gabrels (with his Fripp influenced style) on the David Letterman show last Friday precipitated this whole thing. I did videotape Bowie's performance and watched it a couple of times, so this is most likely. Anyway, I wanted to share this with you. TAFN, Craig (Dr. C#) PS--Does anyone know what Robert's statements were on why the reunion wouldn't work? I now admit that the reunion tour idea was a bad one (for many quite apparent reasons). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:37:52 EST From: JSmith7820 Subject: king crimson lineup???????? we are going to see them playin may in a club warm up show-who is in the band though????????? please help ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:38:40 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel De Blasio - 99 Subject: Fripp on The Residents I was listening to The Residents, "Meet the Residents" the other night and began to wonder....I have heard that The Residents have not been musically trained. It seems to me that through a lack of technical ability, The Residents are forever attempting to maintain a certain level of discovery in their music. With this in mind, does anyone know if Robert Fripp has expressed opinions on The Residents? In my opinion they are quite good! Graces, Daniel DeBlasio p.s. Ballroom at the Bellevue, lets get the vibe brewing! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:34:23 -0800 From: Nate Olmos Subject: "In the Court of the Crimson King" (BBC lyrics vs. album lyrics) Hello There, Fellow ET Readers: Having owned the boxed set "Epitaph" for about a few months, I have found it to be quite a pleasure listening to it. In particular, listening to the BBC recording of "In the Court of the Crimson King" on the first disc. I think Greg Lake's fuzz-distorted bass gives the song a certain kick (although the mellotron provides most of the stunning grandeur on the "In the Court of the Crimson King" album version), and it rivals the mellotron as the main instruement propelling this piece. The big surprise (for me, at least) from listening to this track was hearing Lake sing Peter Sinfield's original lyrics to the piece (in a double-tracked voice): "The earth is captive to the moon Some seek the rising sun I walk the road on wings of change The game has just begun." The next four lines are the same ones used in the final version on the first album. On the third verse, the next-to-last line was sung by Lake: "As sparks fly from the grinding wheel In the court of the Crimson King". Difference in lyrics aside, I wonder if Sinfield was dissatisfied with his original draft of the lyrics and decided to change them. In my opinion, I think either version of the song lyrics would have fit into whatever would have been decided to be used for the studio album. They both convey some fantastic imagery. Sincerely, Nate Olmos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:40:17 +0000 From: "Paul and Anntonette Alberti" Subject: Ian McDonald on Titanic Soundtrack Ian is listed as a featured instrumentalist with the orchestra conducted by James Horner. Not a bad gig. Now Ian and Pete of today have a common link: Celine Dion!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:01:32 PST From: "Arthur Padilla" Subject: GIG REVIEW: ProjeKct 2 at The Ventura Theatre Greetings, Man Oh, man! What a show! I was a little depressed that it was only two hours and 15 minutes. There were a few questions that I pondered on before the show. I had a great view (front and center) and I could see Trey Gunn's arsonal of effects. On one of the rack mounted effects, a ticker tape display read the following: "EAT MY SPACE BAGEL BOY". I wonder for at least 20 minutes, 'Which one of these gentlemen is 'Bagel Boy'? And, 'What 'space' did Trey want eaten?' Two other things kind of got under my skin....The DGM guy didn't have the two re-release of 'The Noise' or 'Three of a Perfect Pair' videos. However, he did have a order form, so I sent that off today. Also, the sound at the Ventura Theatre is horrible....it's always been horrible. They might as well have played in a airplane haggar. They might have got better acoustics! I tried changing my position six times in various locations of the theatre, but to no avail. But then I thought....Who cares! And went back to my seat. I always thought front and center is best to see some fancy footwork and fret worn hands! Wish I could go to the San Francisco or Los Angeles show. But I have too many constrictions (work/money) at this time. To those who are going, get ready to be blown away! Have fun!!! -Art ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:49:01 -0800 From: John Barrus Subject: GIG REVIEW: Projeckt 2 I attended the Projeckt 2 Performance at the Ventura theatre Last night (the 18th) and just thought I'd drop a note to let everyone know how wonderful it was. That was the first time I've seen Trey Gunn Play live and he is unbelievable. Fripp was up to his usual Brliance. The interesting thing was he played at the front of the stage facing forward (some what) for most of the show) and proceeded to crack a smile and even was seen laughing at the antics of Adrean who was playing Percussion... and is quite good I might add. If you are a Crimson fan you should check out this show. If Projeckt 1 come my way you knowill be there. Thanks John Barrus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:27:53 -0800 From: Lorie Campos Subject: GIG REVIEW: Projekct Two at the Ventura Theater I saw Projekct Two last night and have the following thoughts: While I like the double trio KC, at times I felt like there was too much going on. It's hard for musicians to freely interact with one another if there are six people banging away. However, the concept of fracturing the band into smaller subgroups like Projekct Two, if last night's concert is any indication, provides complete justification for the double trio. Its existence enables the musicians to break away from it. The format obviously provided the three musicians with the freedom to go wherever they wanted to and they did just that. The music was wild, inventive, at times even humourous (no ponderous prog rock here). Adrian at times reminded me of the Brian Eno rhythm box (drum machine). Robert and Trey were all over the place, with bells and whistles and moans and groans. They played two 45 minute sets, watching each other and apparently listening to one another attentively, even smiling from time to time. Two encores followed, perhaps an attempt to confound audience expectations. The first encore was an altered version of Vroom Vroom, maybe the only unimprovised moment. I thought the music was the greatest, until I listened to the Projekct Two CD (which I bought at the concert). The first piece is 19 minutes of Robert playing lead guitar reminiscent of the leads he used to play in the 73-74 Crimson. The whole two CD set is fabulous. The concert seemed more experimental, somehow, which is great, but that beautiful sustained lead (eg., Starless, USA Easy Money) found on the CD is what I enjoy most in Robert's playing. Robert at this concert was in more of a Soundscapes mood -- applied Sounscapes, perhaps. Only the second performance after the CD was recorded and they are already moving on. All I can say is that the concert and the CD are extremely encouraging. Its great when your favorite rock musicians continue to grow and experiment, buliding upon, but not enslaved to the past. Finally, the trick of putting Adrian behind the drums rather than on guitar, plus limiting the band to three has enabled the musicians to reach some incredible heights. I really hope they continue this approach. (I can do without Red at every concert, for example). However, I suggest they take it even further. How about Pat, Trey and Robert each on an acoustic upright piano? Projekct Seven. Think of the possibilities. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:48:20 -0800 From: "David A. Lichtenfeld" Subject: GIG REVIEW: PROJEkCT TWO-Getting "Fripped-Off"! Hello all Crimson fans! Let me start off by saying I am a 42 year old prog-rock musician from Woodland Hills, CA. I love Crimson. All of my 40ish, musician buddies love Crimson. We all went to see ProjeKct Two last night out at the Majestic Ventura Theater. We were all VERY disappointed! I think this is just another case of huge hype preceding the event. This was not Crimson. Not by any stretch of the imagination. It is true what Fripp says that these "ProjeKcts" can be as little or as much as they are. I'm sorry if it's too expensive to get the whole band together to rehearse and write, but don't expect us to love something with such little thought behind it. Fripp is getting away more than cheaply in not rehearsing these "ProjeKcts". It was nothing more than a cheap, calculated marketing ploy by recording the ProjeKct Two CD before ProjeKct One! They had plenty of ProjeKct Two CDs in the lobby. I don't think they sold any of them (they sold tons of copies of "B'Boom" and "The Nightwatch"). If Fripp expects to finance the next real Crimson project with the profits from these little 'ProjeKcts", it might take a while to get the money up. Crimson fans love Crimson; not just a bunch of loud, noisy, non-music. Last night, Fripp didn't play enough, Trey Gunn played too much, and Adrian's massive talents were wasted on his stiff, herky-jerky drumming. I am certain, that when ProjeKct Two opens for B.L.U.E.,in Japan, they will look like a garage-band in comparison. Be fore-warned Crimson fans in Japan, don't expect much. Remember, I love Crimson and this posting was extremely hard to do, but I wanted the Crimson fans to know the truth. I wouldn't say I was ripped-off, I'd have to say that I was "Fripped-Off". -Dave Lick ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #476 ********************************