Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #449 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 449 Sunday, 4 January 1998 Today's Topics: RF and BB Trey Gunn's account on ProjeKcts 1 and 2 Fripp in Chicago and Milwaukee Nightwatch Review Belew song Zoom 1010? Re: Music For Quake Coltrane - The Complete 1961 Village Vanguard Recordings International ETers Convention Earthbound 2 Philosophy? Newlyn Fripp at the House of Blues, 12/16 MBV Fripp in Montreal Re: Nightwatch, cd roms and other stuff we`ll Let You Know Robert Fripp in TO Fripp's dexterity The 80's Crimson Newsletter Soundscapes, Mellotrons and greetings since Mr Gates likes Fripp Hi Ya'll My Very Own KC experience. ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ to ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ETWEB: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/cgi-bin/newslet.pl IRC: Regular get-togethers at #ElephantTalk on Undernet Sundays at Noon PST / 3pm EST / 8pm GMT Mondays at 6pm PST / 9pm EST / 2am GMT THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 04:35:45 GMT From: A dot well-wisher at metgate dot metro dot org Subject: RF and BB Several years ago I was with RF and some friends at the Lanterna in Greenwich Village. Shortly before the ceiling began to leak into our cappuccinos, RF told us of his vision of the double trio, the original version (RF+TG+PM playing alongside AB+TL+BB). My immediate response was "So this is your way of having Bruford in Crimson without actually having to play with him??!!" Robert looked pained. And on a related note: "So many drummers...so little time..." (bumper sticker seen by Curt Golden) "Gunmen at Manny's Music have taken 30 drummers hostage. They are threatening to release one every hour until their demands are met." (from Chick Corea) NP: "Native of the Rain," by Tony Geballe ------------------------------ From: "Poisson" Subject: Trey Gunn's account on ProjeKcts 1 and 2 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:56:13 +0100 Hello and best wishes to all ETers for 1998, You should go and check Trey Gunn's Road Diary at http://www.treygunn.com/road.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 07:55:16 -0500 From: Jack Brown Organization: Intents Creative Productions Subject: Fripp in Chicago and Milwaukee Will Mike Kenally be appearing with Fripp at the Jan. 11 (Milwaukee) and Jan. 12 (Chicago) concerts? ------------------------------ From: "Derek Daniel" Subject: Nightwatch Review Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:26:55 -0000 Hi If anyone is interested in reading a review of The Nightwatch - King Crimson, In the caves of the Iron Mountain - Steve Gorn/Tony Levin/Jerry Marotta or If Summer Had its Ghosts then please come to my site Stormbringer a Heavy Metal/Rock and Progressive Rock Webzine http://www.intonet.co.uk/~derekdaniel/ Sorry about the plug Derek ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 16:28:58 +0100 From: jean Subject: Belew song Hello everybody: Can anyone help me with the lyrics of the Adrian Belew's song BURN BY THE FIRE WE MAKE (from his record "The Acoustic Adrian Belew")? I can not understand the whole song. Thanks. My e-mail: jean at via dot goya dot es ------------------------------ Date: Dri, 2 Jan 1998 20:36:48 GMT From: Toby Howard Subject: Zoom 1010? Would an ETer who owns a Zoom 1010 perhaps be able to help me out? A friend recently bought herself one but lost the instructions that came with it. Would anyone be kind enough to make a xerox and send it to me? I'll gladly reimburse postage etc. [ Notice no KC content, but hey! I'm the MODERATOR! :-) ] Thanks! Toby ------------------------------ From: Camzone Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:55:01 EST Subject: Re: Music For Quake Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) This is possibly the strangest topic for a 'King Crimson & Robert Fripp' newsletter to date. BUT... I have been playing both Quake's (Quake & Quake II) and have noticed a similarity in both scores. The original Quake soundtrack is much more mysterious, as was most of the 73-75 stuff (note: I read recently that Red was released in 1975. So what's it doing saying 1974 on my copy?) but on Quake II we have a much more ThrakAttack (sorry if I've got that wrong, pedantists everywhere) feel. Just my .02 pence. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 17:32:29 +0000 From: Antonio Cebola Subject: Coltrane - The Complete 1961 Village Vanguard Recordings Hihi friends 1) I received 26 :( messages from fellow ETs requesting the release of: "ProjeKcT One - The Complete 1997 Jazz Cafe Recordings". DGM got this list in two parts: Before and After Sc=E9ances. 2) As I found these two related pieces of information on previous newslETters (#?),=20 It was the wednesday night gig(...)we found our way up stairs to our table (BTW, the food there was appalling, it shouldn't have left the kitchen, we complained and the waiter stated that the chef was new, and they were hoping to be rid of him soon)... kate dot d at virgin dot net Went to the last night of Jazz Cafe and enjoyed it very much. The food was very good, the staff helpful... Tim Meadowcroft could we get a sample of the food as well? 3) Just back from a trip to Frankfurt. Found, and bought, Daryl Hall's Sacred Songs on CD (Jap. Ed.). As I already have it on vinyl, could trade it for Julie Tippetts' Voices, released some years ago on OGUN records (other items also eligible). Antonio Cebola PS - Sorry for no Coltrane contents... PPS - ;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 22:53:57 +0000 From: Antonio Cebola Subject: International ETers Convention Hello fellow ETs Toby said: "And you know, we really ought to arrange an International ETers convention one of these days... somewhere sunny would be nice (it's pouring here in Manchester tonight!)" I vote for Lisbon! :-) Regards Antonio Cebola ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jan 98 23:37:26 UT From: "donald chin" Subject: Earthbound 2 As I am still in the Holiday mood and having read the recent discussion of the quality of the original "Earthbound", I would like to suggest some ideas for "Earthbound 2". This overlooked lineup of Crimson could be well represented on a 2 disc set that juxtaposes the differences between their set lists at the beginning and end of their tours. Disc 1 would feature a show from their European tour in 1971. For these shows the band attempted to play the majority of "Islands", as well as material from the first three albums, such as "Lady of the Dancing Water", "ITCOTCK", and "The Devil's Triangle". Disc 2 would feature performances from their American tour of 1972, when they had already decided to split up after the tour was finished. By this time they had essentially become a blowing band, discarding the "Islands" material, with the exception of "A Sailor's Tale" and "Formentera Lady" in favor of older pieces that became launching pads for extended workouts for Mel Collins sax and Fripp's guitar, not to mention Ian Wallace's solo on "Groon". Perhaps this was because they did not like much of the "Islands" material (airy-fairy bullshit, to quote the boys). It may also have been because Boz simply couldn't handle playing bass and Pete Sinfield's baroque lyrics at the same time. I've have never seen "Cat Food" appear on any of the available recordings from this period. One of the more interesting shows from this period that I've heard is the Summit Studio performance in Denver, where they played before a small studio audience. Between performances of "Pictures of a City", "21CSM", "Cadence & Cascade", "Earthbound", "A Sailor's Tale", and "Groon", banter between the group and the group and audience is audible, with Fripp playing straight man to the antics of the rest of the group. Perhaps this is the real indication of why the band dissolved. In addition, when Fripp mentions that Pepsi is the show's sponsor he includes his opinion that he thinks Pepsi is "nasty stuff." Donald Chin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 02:11:52 +0100 Subject: Philosophy? From: Alessandro Staiti On E.T. #440 "Matt George" wrote in the letter with the Subject: Fripp: Bennett/Gurdjieff vs. REAL PHILOSOPHY >Both Bennett and Gurdjieff are examples of >hybrid pseudo-mystics who have (wittingly or unwittingly) drawn from >several sources to propagate their charlatanism. I'm NOT surprised that >Fripp DOESN"T acknowledge his debt to both of them and Ouspensky these >days. (Ouspensky had the most redeeming qualities of all three, being a >trained mathematician). Having personally being involved in the work of what you call "charlatans", I find honest to inform you that, if you go deeply in "The Work", you'll find that Ouspensky appears to be the most unqualified representative: according to his books, and also to some of his pupils' reports he was a little bit like you, he didn't understand that it wasn't really important to know were those ideas came from, or who was bringing them into that particular context, but more important TO DO (according to those principles). The so-called Fourth Way is principally a continuous practical education, not merely a philosophy. You must experiment by yourself methods and exercises, and then maybe you'll have a vague idea of what it means TO DO and of what is the real meaning of such ideas. Ouspensky was mostly a theorist, and was so attached to his ideas that he refused to SEE. >However, I am surprised that he does NOT go around >quoting Pythagoras, Plato, Plotinus or Kant more often, in his liner notes >and whatnot....these figures ALL preceded Gurdjieff by a long shot and >influenced G. (and Fripp) in a myriad number of ways.....to the degree that >his "system" of "The Work" is entirely incoherent and unqualified, but not >"unqualifiable". I'm sure Fripp must know this; he has read Plato >extensively. This is why he acts as though the cord has been >severed.....Sherborne was a LONG TIME AGO. The conclusions by which >Gurdjieff bases his activities on are not new nor are they particularly >innovative. Western academic philosophers were synthesizing these concepts >centuries before. Now, one may argue that Gurdjieff/Bennett/Fripp >inherited such concepts and practices from the ancient Eastern mystics of >Tibet or the Caucasus, which is well and fine, as long as you identify your >sources AND work to make them cohere intelligibly or at least develop >something original (or even derivative!) from them, instead of simply >stirring them up and spitting them out again. It seems that recently Fripp >has thrown out the baby, but kept the bathwater, the latter of which I've >found to be very problematic philosophically. Again, it seems to me that you are making the same conceptual mistake of Mr. Ouspensky: who the hell cares if these ideas were anticipated by Plato or Kant: what we lacked - until Mr. Gurdjieff showed to the West - was "a way of doing things". Centuries of mere ideas have brought us to the point where we are: wars, famine, illness and so on. A man that could be called "a human being" wouldn't make wars, wouldn't be so blind to the point of destroying his brothers and sisters. But ideas don't change men, only practice - concrete education can do something. Children don't learn from the words their parents say to them, but only from their exemples. If parents say: "Don't smoke" and then they go around with cigarettes in their mouths, it is very likely that their children will smoke... I found that your problem with understanding other forms of coherence and philosphy resides mostly in your attachment to "philosophical rules" that were created - anyway - by other men, not by infallible gods. Are you sure, so sure that the only possible logic is the Aristotelian one? I personally would bet no... >Gurdjieff commits numerous >errors which "professional philosophers" such as myself and other collegues >of mine find to be horrendous----Bennett just adds insult to injury. What I find surprising is the arrogance that you put in these affirmations: have you ever worked with Mr. Gurdjieff or Mr. Bennett - or at least with some of their disciples? Did you see with your eyes which were their methods, what they really meant by their ideas and so on? How can you judge persons that you never knew personally? I like to think that Robert doesn't quote any of them, nor Kant nor Lao Tze, because he prefers to refer to personal experience more than just to bright ideas of other people... >If one really wants something of Eastern substance, one would do better to >read Confucius or Lao-Tze or the Eightfold Path, something of that nature. >I'll give Fripp the benefit of the doubt by saying that I would rather have >had him sit around all day all those years learning how to play his >instruments through his hands, head, and heart than to mire himself in >Western philosophy. It has done all of us just a slight bit of good. If you really could understand a glimpse of what you presumably read by Confucius or Lao Tze, not to mention the Noble Eightfold Path, you wouldn't be writing like that... Best wishes, Happy 1998 Alessandro Staiti alessandro_staiti at mix dot it ------------------------------ From: DanKirkd Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:14:48 EST Subject: Newlyn Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subj: Newlyn Date: 98-01-02 15:51:20 EST From: michael dot madden at virgin dot net (Michael Madden) Dear ET Readers Here is a review of the Newlyn Soundscape event, if you would like to read more about this event and see more pics contact me via e-mail for information reguarding obtaining a copy of the latest issue of We`ll Let you know the Crimson Newsletter. [Note: Michael attached 2 photos with his email that will be available at ET Web when I add his review to the Gig Reviews pages -- Dan-ETWeb] latest issue available NOW!!! Robert Fripp Soundscapes at Newlyn with the Shallal Dance Theatre Saturday 6th December 2pm-6pm. Newlyn is a fishing port all of the town is influenced in some way by the industry if not visually the smell gives it away. Even though there was a Crimson connection to this event the primary reason for it was to raise money and make people aware to the fact that the local autistic group had had its funding reduced or even cut. The Sounds of Robert's guitar started to wash though the church at 2pm he was situated to the right of the main alter many of John Millers canvases an artist which Fripp has used for the C.d. covers of many of his Soundscape releases had been placed around the church, some hanging from the wall, others placed on large easels covered in white sheets. above Robert had been placed the painting which had been used on Robert's last Soundscape release The Outer Darkness. The proceedings soon fell into a regular cycle of Fripp building layer upon layer of sounds from his guitar, making constant adjustments to his electronic pallet which was placed around him and at his feet. This was the first time I had heard Soundscapes live, it was strange to hear the sound of Fripps plectrum striking his strings and the delay of silence of a second or two before the resulting sounds would start to appear from the various speakers of the sound system which had been placed around the Church. Each Soundscape would last for about 30 min, Fripp would then remove his guitar walk to the front of the church drop his head slightly, walk to the back of the church stopping to look at a picture, acknowledging people as they entered or left the church. meanwhile the Soundscapes continued, Fripp would then return to his stool to start the process over again bringing the previous Soundscapes to a close and to then start a new one using different sounds one of the early Soundscapes featured Fripp producing a bell sounding tone which was so clear filling the whole church. An hour into the event up to 50 people were in attendance, there seemed to be a constant flow of people entering and leaving the church only a few of us seemed to be staying for Robert's complete performance, next to the church the hall was available for Tea and cakes all home made. DGM also had a table where Soundsacpe CDs, postcards were on sale, John Miller had donated a painting where bids of #200.00 or more were hopefully to be received before the end of the day. The Shallal Dance Theatre also had a table where posters and information about them could be obtained. The first hour of Soundscapes had been genteel, the second of which finished with the bell sound which I have mentioned earlier it was later that Fripp for only one occasion during the whole performance filled the church with the fuzz laden sustain sound of his guitar with a run of cascading notes Thrak making a brief appearance. I chose to make this point my tea brake and made my way to the hall many of my fellow listeners were all sat in silence, either looking around the beautiful surroundings of Newlyn Church or closed eyes drifting of into some far away thoughts and dreams which the music was taking them. I quickly had a tea and mince pie, returned to the church to find Fripp back at his electronic pallet producing pulsating organ sounds which filled the church, some of the loudest music produced so far. Fripp continued to layer more sounds on top of each other before he added the final touches with solo notes of guitar. I looked at my watch it was 4.45, Fripp started his final Soundscape, sounding very familiar to November suit, lots of different sounds came from all directions in the church the first time that stereo sound had been used during the day....and that was it, no clapping just a small click as the electronic gear was switched off, Fripp moved to the back of the church to talk to a few people after a while took a seat in the front pew and watch along with all of us, as the Shallal Dance Theatre produced what was a moving performance which lasted for over 25 min. a particular highlight was the dancing of Zoe Wilton with compliment and voice by Rory McDermott on this occasion the music was produced by rubbing his finger around the rim of a stemmed wine glass, as I looked around it was quite evident that all of us had had our emotional strings being pulled from the theatres performance, the church had filled to near to a 100 people during the performance. The applause ended it was time to go, everyone started to leave the collection bowel was full, It looked certain the event had been a success and would benefit from to days performance. I made a bee line to see Fripps gear, to find him packing his guitars away, asked for a signature of a C.d. which I had brought with me, but was told 'You don't really need that', he held brief conversation with a fellow listener and he was gone. At that point we all left to briefly meet at the local pub to give our thoughts on the day, where everyone was in agreed what a great opportunity it had been to see Fripp perform and gave praise to his efforts of travelling to the far reaches of Cornwall to give us a unique performance. The whole experience has stayed fresh to me for weeks, having been 26 years since I last saw Fripp perform I hope to have the chance to see him again sooner. Best wishes Michael madden ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 22:13:51 -0800 From: Peter Shindler Subject: Fripp at the House of Blues, 12/16 I know I'm a schmuck - I passed up the chance to reserve tickets for R. Fripp's concert at the House of Blues in Boston a few weeks ago. So of course, when I showed up at the door, it was SOLD OUT!!! Blame it on the Berklee music students - I didn't think Fripp could sell out my living room; I thought it would just be me and five other losers in the audience. Oh well.... An article in the Boston Globe last week listed the year's best concerts. At the end, Fripp's performance was mentioned, to the effect that it would have made the list if it had been held at the Trinity Church (a large old cathedral in downtown Boston) instead of at the House of Blues, which was deemed "inappropriate" for the type of music he played. This also seems to be the opinion of the ETers lucky enough to have attended. Incidentally, the Trinity Church WOULD have been perfect for Soundscapes. Peter Shindler http://haven.tgot.one/sorry ------------------------------ From: "D . K." Subject: MBV Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:21:25 -0500 > From: Eb > That last statement is really not accurate. Noise pop/shoegaze/dream > pop/whateveryouwannacallit existed well before Loveless. Groups like Lush, > Ride, Chapterhouse, etc. were already active and on radio in 1990. You > would be closer if you said that MBV invented the genre with the previous > album, 1989's Isn't Anything (which I prefer over Loveless myself, though I > know this is a deviant view). But really, if anyone invented "noise pop," > you'd have to award the prize to the Jesus & Mary Chain, who (along with <> Jesus & Mary Chain, sure, but then too the Stooges, Velvet Underground and Birthday Party. Kevin Shields has always deferred the influence of MBV to Sonic Youth. As he quite correctly points out, they were doing the beautiful noise thing years before. Mind you, "Loveless" was--and still is--a groundbreaking album. I recall Brian Eno, Neil Young and Bob Mould, a diverse trio, all independently heaping praise upon the record, and of course it did spawn a movement. Like you, I find "Isn't Anything" more listenable, but as you say this is perhaps a minority view. Fans of KC, Soundscapes and Eno would probably prefer "Loveless." (And maybe some Sonic Youth and Fugazi as well.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 00:58:43 -0500 From: Jordan Zivitz Subject: Fripp in Montreal Haven't seen this mentioned yet, and it's received very little local promotion so far: Robert Fripp will be performing in Montreal at Club Soda on January 19th (8:30pm; admission restricted to 18 years and over). Tickets are $21.50 plus tax and service charge. Jordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 06:43:48 -0700 From: "Steven W. Sthole" Subject: Re: Nightwatch, cd roms and other stuff > I received my much-anticipated import copy of 'The Night Watch' last week. Well worth the wait. Having the entire Amsterdam concert is priceless to me. Anyway, when I put disk '2' in my desktop CD-rom, in order to enjoy the enhanced capabilities, my Windows-95 system didn't even recognize that a CD had been inserted! Ever the resourcefull one, I pulled out my laptop (a much newer machine than my desktop), et voila! I was able to view everything the enhanced CD had to offer. I don't know what a 'multi-session cd rom' is, but the difference for me is that my laptop cd-rom is about a 16X, and my older desktop is only about a 6X speed. Perhaps someone out there who is knowledgable about hardware can explain this. By the way, the enhanced-cd includes a preview of other DGM releases, including a nifty little clip from the 'Live in Japan '95' video. Also, I'd like to say 'Happy New Year' to everyone, especially to all those Crimheads who have visited my history-of-King-Crimson page, called 'The Greatest Band in the Universe' at http://www.eazy.net/sws1/band.html I've had a few notables sign my guestbook, including Rob Murpree and Ian Wallace. Thanks to Rob (Adrian Belew's website) and Jon Lybrook (California guitar Trio website) for the links. And thanks to all my friends in Italy and South America for the entries and comments in my guestbook as well. May you all find peace in the coming year. -- ************************************************************** * (peace) * * Steven W. Sthole, mailto:sws1 at eazy dot net * * * * * * Check it out! Twin Peaks, 101 Guitar Tunings, Full Metal * * Jacket, the Greatest Band In The Universe and more at: * * http://www.eazy.net/sws1/ * * * ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 16:03:53 +0000 From: Michael Madden <"michael dot madden at virgin dot net"@virgin.net> Organization: 4 Hoopers Close Landrake Subject: we`ll Let You Know Dear ET Issue 7 of the Crimson Newsletter We`ll Let You Know is now available, featuring reviews and comment on all things Crimson and Fripp related. Featured in the issue: Fripp's Soundscape performance at Newlyn; reviews and pictures of the event. 4 nights in London in the front row of the PROJEkCT ONE concerts, reviews from readers. Pt. 1 of the Wetton feature, How to make that perfect 90 min cassette of the Great Deceiver. A feature on Mike Keneally, that man who played with Fripp on some of the American G3 concerts and wears that strange Hat . Bill Forth INTERVIEW ,David Cross, Crimson Tribute album and Tony Geable CD's all revived. With lots of news and discussion from readers. Also details about The Great Deceiver revisited, which is a project where readers are invited to submit their own thoughts on the release, the first of which will appear in the March issue. If you would like to take part please send e-mail to one of the two addresses listed below UKP 2.00 an Issue, or see options listed below: Option one Any readers taking out a 4 issue subscription (UKP 7.50) can choose any single back issue free. All other back issues can also be obtained for UKP 1.00.This offer only applies when taking out a Full 4 issue Subscription. Option Two Any readers taking out a two issue subscription (=A34.00) Can choose a single back issue free. This offer only applies when taking out a 2 issue Subscription. If You are not taking up option 1 or 2 the price for back issues is UKP 2.00 If you would like a copy of the newsletter or would just like to find out more about the newsletter. Please e-mail Darren or myself. Darren Woolsey the Editor, e-mail: darren dot woolsey at virgin dot net Michael Madden, e-mail michael dot madden at virgin dot net Next issue due in March will feature Pt. 2 of John Wetton feature, The Roches and the Start of the Deceiver Revisited project and How to make that perfect 90 min cassette of Epitaph. Anyone who would like to contribute material to the Newsletter would be most welcome. It is the Newsletters aim to publish everything which is submitted if possible. Not everyone has e-mail, much of the news and views expressed here on ET are not common knowledge to the none net surfing Crimson fans which are out there, so if you do have any Crimson Talk of interest please post it to We`ll Let You Know, see e-mail addresses above. Thanks for your time, look forward to hearing from you in the near future. Best Wishes Michael Madden ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:25:58 -0400 From: seedsound at cybergal dot com (Norah Seed) Subject: Robert Fripp in TO Is there a get together before the Robert Fripp show in Toronto as I am a new subscriber to ET and would like to meet up with other ETs to see the show. email me privately. thanks Norah Seed seedsound at cybergal dot com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 17:36:09 +0100 From: Russell Whitworth Subject: Fripp's dexterity Fripp clearly plays the guitar right-handed... but from pictures of the Nightwatch playback I notice he signs his name left-handed. So is he playing "wrong-handed" (Ringo Starr does this), or signing "wrong-handed", or is he ambidextrous? -- Russell Whitworth http://www.anchorag.demon.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 22:53:19 -0500 From: Josh Chasin Subject: The 80's Crimson Are there any plans in the offing for an archival live release of the early 80's (Discipline/Beat/Perfect Pair) line-up? I saw them twice, and they were really quite awesome... just "Whomp!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 17:17:58 +0000 From: Michael Bennett Organization: AT&T Subject: Newsletter Greetings from America! I am enjoying a renewed interest in King Crimson after a hiatus of about ten years. I work in a retail store, and we received a shipment of "budget" tapes, and in it was a cassette copy of "Young Person's Guide..." for $3.99!! Needless to say, it rekindled my interest in the band, and I have been spending most of my on-line time going through the archives of ET. I have a couple of questions, though. Are there any videos available of the 1972-4 version of the band? Also, is Thrakattack an instrumental album? I look forward to reading ET on a regular basis, and as an artist, one of my goals in life is to paint a picture depicting most of the images from In The Court... Talk about setting high and lofty goals! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 10:27:24 -0800 From: Jim Price Subject: Soundscapes, Mellotrons and greetings Organization: Hovercraft Studio Hello ETers, Two reasons for this post. First, a boast. I've got my tickets for Soundscapes in Toronto!!!! See ya there! (You might want to check out the Ticketmaster site.) Second, for the musicians in the crowd, I've added a set of Mellotron Brass samples to my Mellotron Samples page at: http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/oldsquire/17/Hovercraft.html Drop in, download, have fun. Seasons greetings to all the Talkers and fondest wishes for peace, happiness and a new KC album. J. P. -- jprice at trentu dot ca http://ivory.trentu.ca/~jprice "aLSO THRaK ZaRaTHUSTRa" ------------------------------ From: "John Brown" Subject: since Mr Gates likes Fripp Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:24:51 -0500 Lobby now for Thrax to be startup wave in 03 listen to Frippertronics backwards ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:51:33 -0600 (CST) From: Tommy B McIntosh Subject: Hi Ya'll Hi Ya'll, 1) Would Fripp please come down south (New Orleans)? 2) Is ProjeKCt 2 playing (Nashville) in February? 3) Thanks to everyone who contributed to the Zappa thread! Love ya, tb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 08:50:28 -0500 From: Thomas Slaton Subject: My Very Own KC experience. Hello to all ETers. This is the second message I've tried to post, but the first one got haywired, I guess. First of all let me say that it is great to see such an interest in KC on the web, and such a tremendous resource as ET. I always knew that I'd find a treasure house of people and information regarding this phenomenon of the modern/postmodern/whatever they want to call it next age. I have an experience to share with you all. This experience involves watching KC live in Cincinatti, OH in June of 1995 (June 9th I believe). I had been a KC fan for about 10 months by this time, and was not farmiliar with much of their work except for the 73-74 albums. As I'm sure many of you can believe, this was enough for me to digest at the time. I drove many miles from Louisville, KY with my brother and two bandmates who had introduced me to KC. We were all excited. The journey to Cinci was colored with KC music emanating from my parent's speakers which my brother and I stole from our house and hooked up in the car. We had the volume quite high, and we could feel the approaching din of the venue. Much aside, we entered the theater and took our seats. We gazed the crowd over from the very back row, dead center. I glanced above me and became fixated on the fact that I was directly below the center spotlight window. Only three feet above my head was the window through which a light would illuminate the stage presence of one of the members of KC. Just who would it be...? I waited in increasingly heightened anticipation. Much more aside: The concert began. Ponder this all ETers....THE CONCERT BEGAN. After about five minutes of VROOM, I noticed the spotlight again. And as Adrian said hello to his hometown and the band descended/ascended into RED, I saw that the light focused upon Adrian in the center of the stage. I began to feel an eerie consciousness, not unlike the place I go when I play FRACTURE. I looked at my feet, and for some reason decided I should look at the number on the seat I was occupying. It was number seven and the song was RED. (Note: not to insult anyone's KC trivia archive, but the number seven is precisely where the guage goes RED on the inside of the RED CD. The spotlight was directly above my head, I was in seat number seven, and Adrian was illuminated directly in front of me. I knew it was a sign from the Crimson King himself. I felt an intimate connection with the band at that point, but more specifically with Robert Fripp. He was still enshrined in shadows. Such beauty... So, I have come to a conclusion. To continue a line of thought proposed in ET 447, in which RF relinquishes his chair in KC, and after Trey Gunn has outlived his leadership role in KC, it must be my responsibility to take a position within the new KC! The KC of 2015-2025! What do you think? May you all eat, drink, and listen to FRACTURE! Long live the King.. Most sincerely and insanely, Thomas Slaton ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #449 ********************************