Errors-To: et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Reply-To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #437 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 437 Monday, 24 November 1997 Today's Topics: Projekt(X) Quasi-official Bootlegs? ProjecKt One CD? Shameless Self-Promotion [s] Who Else? LTiA pt.I voices KC remasters: a point to ponder Exiles/Early Crimso 10 or More Origins of League of Gentlemen? Obsessions and random thoughts Upcoming PROJECkT One Gigs Centipede & Fripp STILL Re: Centipede Re: "ProjeKCt" CD's (David MacLennan) Re: Indigo Girls Genesis Regurgitated RE Fripps nonencounter post Earthbound-bound? Re: Sylvian / Fripp live in Japan boot vid Earthbound bad, Giles good Ben Monder Trio DEC 1-4 / Jazz cafe Enchanced Nightwatch Disc 2 ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ to ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: et-help at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk ETWEB: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ (partial mirror at http://members.aol.com/etmirror/) You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig-bin/newslet.pl THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- From: ganderso at notes dot cc dot bellcore dot com Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:57:33 -0500 Subject: Projekt(X) Quasi-official Bootlegs? This sounds like a good idea.... >What response would we get from DGM if we sent them the name of all the >list members that would like to have the complete Jazz Cafe sessions (in >glorious Audio Verite ;-)) released in a "n"-CD box? Even if Fripp & Co. have no immediate plans to release Projekt recordings, you can bet there'll be bootlegs. So why not (voluntarily) circulate these recordings (in unmixed, raw format) informally amongst us ETers for free (or a nominal fee), so as to short-circuit the bootleggers? We can (and will) also provide free feedback for use in eventually officially releasing them should that ever be decided. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:34:56 -0800 From: Douglas Wright Subject: ProjecKt One CD? Recently there has been a lot of talk among us ETers about how much we would like DGM to record and release an album of the music to be presented for ProjecKt One. Here is my thought on that: Aren't we being a bit hasty? We have no idea what the music will be like for those shows. We could guess, but what's the use of that? Who knows? The music might turn out to be completely unsuitable for a DGM album. Then again it might turn out to be a brilliant choice of music to be put on CD. It's too early to be thinking about it. Sincerely, *Douglas Wright* ------------------------------ From: "Stephen P. Goodman" Subject: Shameless Self-Promotion [s] Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:53:33 -0800 Hi fellow ET'ers... I've just released my first tape via the EarthLight Studios page, entitled 'S' (after the symbol you'll see if you browse into http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - While, unfortunately, I've no method of online commerce at *this* time, I thought it more important to 'get it out' for a start. 'S' is a combination of the 'quiet ambient' and the 'situational ambient' styles I've been using; a 30-minute cassette (hey, I've got to get the money for a CD burner somehow!), and a fair sample of the work so far. I hope you drop in at least to sample some of 'em! Thanks for your kind encouragement, which has of course been of great help at times. Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios *------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: "Scott Bickel" Subject: Who Else? Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:53:45 -0600 In ET #435 Louis Courteau wrote: >Well, who else do you have 10 recordings of< My list, since you're so interested Louie; Crimson (of course), Dead (of course), Beatles, REM, Moody Blues, Pink Floyd, Zappa, Tom Petty, Van der Graaf (counting Hammill's solo lps), Climax Blues Band, Jefferson Airplane/Starship, Manfred Mann Earth Band, Genesis, Gabriel, Coltrane, and Miles Davis. Scott np: Klaatu ------------------------------ From: Steve Parker Subject: LTiA pt.I voices Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:22:56 -0600 (CST) In ET #435, a portion of Craig Stamm's post read: "2) In regard to... the final voice you hear near the end of LTiA Pt1 (before the crescendo)... Steve Parker commented that he read that this was Billy B. reciting multiple tracks of passages from books." I obviously mis-read the original post. The voices I referred to are the ones _after_ the crescendo. My apologies. BTW, it was multiple passages from a single book, if memory serves. Steve ------------------------------ From: David MacLennan Subject: KC remasters: a point to ponder Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:41:10 +1300 A number of posters have grizzled about the proposed KC Def Ed Mk2s, and how its a shameless ploy by Fripp to part us from our money etc etc. Well consider this: is upgrading your KC collection every few years or so as CD remastering technology improves so very different from upgrading your VCR, computer, or similar appliances? I put it to you that it is not, and in fact would be cheaper than upgrading such items. Instead of moaning about it perhaps we should be grateful that Fripp is prepared to undertake this project, which I imagine will be quite time-consuming. I want the best KC recordings I can get, so I'll happily buy them, and I'll defray the cost by trading in my current versions. So it's no big deal. We're only talking about 11 mid-price CDs here after all! David Maclennan (Off-topic PS: the studio disc in the new Yes album "Keys To Ascension 2" is stunning! Best thing they've done in 20 years or more, no contest. The live disc is pretty hot too.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:54:28 -0800 From: Robert Cervero Subject: Exiles/Early Crimso 1997 has been a bountiful year for fans of early Crimson, to say the least. While the current Double Trio line-up went into hybernation, those of us still wedded to the Crimson sound of a quarter century ago have been treated to an unbelievable sequence of events and surprises: three playbacks (where original band members intermingled with fans); the Epitaph box set; the Night Watch CD; Wetton's live shows (including headlining at ProgFest '97), chock full of early Crimson tunes; the Hackett, Wetton, McDonald "Genesis Revisited" collaboration released on video/CD in Japan, and later elsewhere (with ItCotCK & ITttW); the release of the splendid tribute album to (mainly) early Crimson, "Schizoid Dimension",........., an hell, even the return of Greg Lake's (post-Marlboro, lung-restored) voice during the summer ELP tour, which at some venues included tunes from the first Crimson album. And now comes David Cross's newly released "Exiles", which includes collaborations with three Crimson players -- Fripp, Wetton, and Pete Sinfield (who wasn't around when David was with the band, but whose paths obviously crossed sometime later). I just got a special delivery of "Exiles" yesterday, and am pumped up after just two listenings. The title tune is a tapestry of synthesizers, hallowing violin, heavy guitar strokes, and a really brilliant acoustical guitar riff by Paul Clark in the song's middle section. Wetton's vocals shine, as usual, sounding more (for want of a better word) "mature" than the LTiA release. The tune Tonk rocks, with Fripp's syn-guitar wailing in the background (with shades of his Dusty Roads performances of years past) and Peter Hammill soulful rocking vocals. A real treat is the Cross-Fripp two-person collaboration "Duo" -- a soundscape of Frippertronics and crescendoing electric violin that does for celestial music (minus one player) what the classic tune "Trio" did for ambient melody-making 24 years earlier. The Cross-Sinfield collaboration, featuring Wetton's vocals in a style I've never heard him sing, is upbeat and, well, mainstream (while Pete's association with the likes of Celine Dion shows, this is a catchy song just the same). Besides "Exiles", the other hightlight is a snazzy tune called "Troppo", with Cross and Fripp playing off and punctuating each other's riffs as if in the good old Lark's Tongues days. Peter Hammill's vocals are stunning on this song. I've always thought Peter would be the ultimate voice for a newly formed King Crimson. After hearing him on Troppo, with Fripp's and Cross's intricate soundcraftings in the background, I'm more convinced than ever. After reading the posts in ET #435, it sounds like 1997's incredible deja vu of Crimson past will continue into 1998. David Cross is taking his show to California, Hackett/Wetton/et al. are performing with the Philharmonic, the Hackett/Wetton/ McDonald CD box set/videos of Genesis Revisited will be released in February, and Gerald Murphy informs us that a Mike Giles (with Ian McDonald) CD set will be coming out on the Discipline label (which Mike himself proudly mentioned to me was in the works at September's Night Watch playback). I appreciated Gerald's tribute to Mike Giles. Giles set the standard for percussions of the rock/prog genre. I've yet to hear as powerful, artistic drumming as what he accomplished on Crimson's first album and the handful of live recordings of the 1969 live shows. Gerald, the only person I've met who saw Crimson live three times in 1969 (including the Hyde Park show), has mentioned to me several time that Giles was simply magical on stage -- the centerpiece, the heart and soul, of this brilliant ensemble whose sheer talent, energy, and bravado led the band into totally unchartered musical waters. Until the Double Trio hits the road again as a full unit in '99, I'll be perfectly content to sit back and enjoy the new stream of Crimson-influenced audio treats that are in store for 1998. ------------------------------ From: Mark_Jordan%roadshow dot com dot au at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 10:56:03 PST Subject: 10 or More Hi Eter's The question was raised of which artists do we have 10 or more CD's of. I think this will provide an interesting thread. I've found some unlikely artists in other follow KC fans collections. For me it's KC of course, Dixie Dregs/Steve Morse, Frank Zappa, Brand X, Yes, Van Halen, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Allan Holdsworth, John Scofeild and Little Feat. Regards to all Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:56:48 -0500 From: "Timothy J. DiChiara" Subject: Origins of League of Gentlemen? Apologies if this has been discussed already, but I recently came across a film directed by Basil Dearden called "The League of Gentlemen". It was released in 1959 in the UK, during Uncle Bob's formative years. Was this the inspiration for our beloved (or semi-beloved) "discotronic" outfit The League of Gentlemen? The description of the film from the Internet Movie Database comes eerily close to being a description of the band: "Involuntarily-retired Colonel Hyde recruits seven other dissatisfied ex-servicemen for a special project. Each of the men has a skeleton in the cupboard, is short of money, and is a service-trained expert in his field. The job is a bank robbery, and military discipline and planning are imposed by Hyde and second-in-command Race on the team, although civilian irritations do start getting in the way." Tim Baobab Computing Durham, NC USA ------------------------------ From: "Joseph S. Basile" Subject: Obsessions and random thoughts Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:55:05 -0400 Off the top of my head; 1)Toby ,you do not have to apologies!We have a life too ,and we appreciate all you do for us obsessed Eters! 2)On DIG ME ,it sounds to me that RF guitar part is like ,how I should say ...passing gas...Did any one else think the same or am I out to lunch! I noticed this most on the Live In Japan video from the middle 1980's. 3)Having a buddy tape me a copy of the Night Watch has made me want the CD even more! On this thread since some of us do trade tapes off ET,I wonder if this has hurt DMG/Discipline World Wide sales? I would think it would only help. Many of the tapes I was given were almost like home made samplers that only made me buy the CD. I do feel for the artist that gets ripped by professional bootleggers.I would feel a violation if someone stole off me.Is trading tapes the same thing, or am I just paranoid? 4) I am all for some type of legal reproduction of the Project 1 dates.Hot dates they will be.Why does Crimson never seem to not meet our expectations. I can always count on KC to exceed my expectation! 5) Is the RF&Darryl Hall recording out on CD ?I have heard,and have a few vinyl copies.I have never heard a real good pressing of this recording. 6) A fellow ETer recorded me a song with RF& Midge Ure (?)"Arrow&Guns"(?).Any info on this?It was awesome! Is there more ?Is Boppin' Bobby on the whole pie?etc. 7)Dream thread.....I had one were Toya covered Patsy Cline.It was a SWEET DREAM. 8) Around 1981 a buddy of mine recorded me a song with RF that had the singer/talker doing an exorcism. Was this with ENO ? Warmly, Basile By the Three Rivers *-------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 06:20:09 -0700 From: "frivolous" Subject: Upcoming PROJECkT One Gigs Organization: MailExcite (http://www.mailexcite.com) A coupla things: 1) Tickets: When I heard about the gigs, I immediately rushed out to the venue and bought two for each night. It looks like I will be able to attend the first and last nights, by myself. That means I have the following tickets to sell: Mon 1/12: 1 ticket Tue 2/12: 2 tickets Wed 3/12: 2 tickets Thu 4/12: 1 ticket They're UKP 13.50 each (including a UKP 1.50 charge, printed on the ticket. That's what I paid - I ain't no scalper / tout type, honest, guv! If you're interested, let me know by private email only, please - Toby will thank you... 2) Pre-gig get-togethers: I used to work in Camden (London, not New Joisey), so I know the area fairly well. My preferred choice of venue would be the O'Neills pub, about 2/3 of the way down Camden High Street on the right (west side). Reason? They sell good Guinness! Also, the fiddledy-dee Irish music will make the projecKtions that much more welcome. 5 mins walk from the venue. As for post-gig... well, there is a late-opening pub very close to the Jazz Cafe called the Black Cap, but it's not, shall we say, for everyone. The clientele dress in leather, and are all men... no. I'll have a look this weekend to see of there are any more late-openers. Anyway, I can provide directions to the Jazz Cafe or other help if necessary... Cheers, Brian Thomson (frivolous) --- frivolous at mailexcite dot com London, UK http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/3242/ See the XLChords project - MS Excel does chords? Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:26:30 +0000 From: Sid Smith Subject: Centipede & Fripp Louis Courteau asked in Et 435 for information about Centipede. Centipede were a 50 piece jazz orchestra formed by Keith Tippet sometime in late 1970. Tippet commented "When I formed Centipede, I wanted to enfold all the friends that I knew as much as possible, from the classical world to the jazz world, the jazz world, the jazz -rock world and the rock-rock world." He composed a piece for the ensemble called "Septober Energy - Music for 50 people and 100 feet" . They played their first gig at London's Lyceum on 15th November. On the advertising bill (reproduced in Michael King's Robert Wyatt history ) Robert Fripp and Pete Sinfield are mentioned as part of the line up. The following week Centipede played two dates at an arts festival in France. Roy Carr, a journalist with the New Musical Express covered the event. " "It's just like being part of one big happy family" guitarist Bob Fripp beamed between bites of his "sandwich jambon" ". Elsewhere in the article Fripp along with others is mentioned as contributing excellent solo which were greeted with sustained audience approval. In June 1971, Centipede recorded their one and only album Septober Energy. Amongst the numerous session vets such as Marc Charig, Nick Evans, Harry Miller, Ian McDonald and Boz are the only other King Crimson members present. Although Fripp produced the week long recording session at Wessex Studios, he never managed to actually play on the album. His face does grace the album sleeve in a Sgt. Pepper style cover photo. The music on this ambitious double album is furious, raucous and at times a little sprawling (mind you it is nearly 20 years since I last heard it). I have no idea if it is available on legitimate CD, although I remember hearing that a bootleg was doing the rounds. However, I gather that it was simply recorded off a vinyl edition and is to be avoided. True or false ? As far as I know, Centipede played a final gig at London's Royal Albert Hall on October 14th 1971 with Boz as one of four vocalists and Ian McDonald beefing up the horn section. Sometime around this period Fripp two albums by Keith Tippett's Ovary Lodge. The first album Blueprint is well worth listening to though I have no idea whether it is available on CD or not. Once again, I have not heard this since the seventies but I do recall the album featuring some stunning free playing particularly from percussionist Frank Perry. Perry's kit was like a gigantic piece of sculpture and took hours to assemble. I've often wondered if Fripp's exposure to Perry's playing led him to consider Jamie Muir for inclusion in the new Crimson he was putting together. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:30:26 -0500 (EST) From: CDTSTRING at aol dot com Subject: STILL I've had a vinyl copy of Still in my collection for many years, with a pink cover, but recently saw one with a blue cover. Can anyone throw any light on the history of this ? Is it worth more/less than my copy ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:18:05 +0100 From: r dot michelazzi at flashnet dot it (Rolando Michelazzi) Subject: Re: Centipede On Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:55:38 -0500, "Louis Courteau" wrote: >There is a legend about a very large short-lived band called Centipede. All >I know about it is that most of the Lizard band was in there. Any details? >Any recordings available? The leader of the project was Keith Tippett. Centipede released a double album titled "Septober Energy" (RCA Neon, 1971). It featured more than 50 musicians (centipede = 100 feet) including Ian MacDonald, Boz, Robert Wyatt and the "cream" of the english jazz scene of those years (Mark Charig, Nick Evans, Elton Dean, Karl Jenkins, Ian Carr, Brian Godding, Alan Skidmore between the others). It was produced by Robert Fripp. The original release was available only for a brief period. I still haven't heard of CD reissue. Bye. Rolando. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:43:42 -0500 (EST) From: Camzone at aol dot com Subject: Re: "ProjeKCt" CD's (David MacLennan) David Maclennan wrote - >>On to ProjeKCt One etc.: I was interested in Robert's update in ET432 re >>this projekct. I think it would be a very good idea to release some CDs of >>these projekcts - say, live "official bootlegs". To keep costs down they >>could be simply packaged in a cardboard sleeve a la "Sometimes God Hides" >>and made available only via mail order from DGM (perhaps a free slipcase >>could be offered to contain them all). What do others think? I have to say this is a great idea. People who haven't been able to make some (I won't be able to attend ProjeKCt Two ) will be able to listen to this un-rehersed Crimson. On the selfish side, I'd love to have my "WOO!"s and "Yeah!"s on a CD :-) Camzone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:53:13 +1300 (NZDT) From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Indigo Girls Jay says: >I saw Indigo Girls on 11/3, and to my pleasant surprise two of our old >friends were in the rhythm section: Jerry Marotta and Sara Lee! The four >of them were great. Their best album, the excellent "Swamp Ophelia", features some great musicians, including Jane Siberry, The Roches, and my favourite double-bass player, Danny Thompson. Oh, and some guy named Tony Levin plays stick on one of the tracks... James James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:31:06 -0800 From: ryecatch at cts dot com Subject: Genesis Regurgitated Hate to stir the soup (yeah right), but I have to comment on Steve Hackett's latest release. For starters, Steve said in an interview that I read (sorry, don't know which mag or web page) that his reason behind doing the album was because he felt the songs had never really been done justice. As a former Genesis freak, I listened to the album (my roommate had a free press copy) to check out Mr. Hackett's handiwork. Much to my chagrin, there are NO significant changes, short of more modern production techniques. As much as I may not care for Mr. Hackett's solo work, I can at least respect that more than this rehash of days gone by. I still enjoy the original Genesis versions to some degree, but I can honestly say that this effort from Steve Hackett is a little flat. Really, listening to this made me realize just how cool those old Genesis albums were. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:50:50 -0500 (EST) From: WRNHAWK at aol dot com Subject: RE Fripps nonencounter post Hello all, Thinking about RFs post in ET 432 a couple of points come to mind. 1)Not only does the team leader read and respond to ET he becomes just as confused by it as the rest of do from time to time. 2)The real Point: even tho the non encounter between RF and Mark J was truely a non encounter Roberts non encounters with fans are brought up often enough to be a subject themselves. Roberts' query to us is "why do we need personal acknowledgement?" This sort of automatic demand is something that I have been thinking about since the liner notes for "That Which Passes" which mentions invasive assumed "rights". My response: Why do we think we have a "right" to personal attention/interaction?We have NO such right, inherent, intended or otherwise. We would not expect a Ballerina to stop, give us a wink and a big "hello". What "right" we DO have as audient is much, much more subtle than this. I think it warrents some consideration. The only "right" we have for acknowledgement comes from the music which plays Robert. This music acknowledges the music inside ourself. This is much more important than a "Howdy-do"...why impose personal wantsies when something much more important and richer is really going on? There is no reason to impose this sort of demand, Robert has just given to us all that he can give.Our actions of grasping for attention, even if they are very friendly, are based on needless pesonal expectations or wants which hinder the moment, not just for Robert, but also for ourselves, and make us blind to the real form of acknowledgement which we have just interacted with. "If you go in front of someone, and you are closed to him, one kind of thing will happen. If you are passive and expect him to do everything to you just by you being there, another thing will happen, If you have a certain kind of attitude that can be very refined--then he can really do something for you. Maybe he does more for you than you receptivness merits, and maybe something goes beyond this, but certainly one's own state in front of that kind of situation is going to determine what one is abel to receve. If you are free inside yourself, very undemanding--someone spoke about humility--you get into sympathy with his vibrations, and he will be able to give you far more than if he should be resonant with your vibrations. If you call the tune he can only add something to what you already have; and if he is wise he will do nothing, for he knows that this will only strenghten you own self will" pg 99"The Sevenfold Work"JG Bennett 3) It never fails to amaze me that people don't notice just how much RF does notice his audience. 4) We are pretty lucky that he interacts with us at all, and even better for us he wants us to THINK. 5) lest you think I am perfect and lecturing, I confess to hurling letters onstage!! "Right self-questioning is an act of WILL:it places us in front of our own ignorance at the very point where there is a chance of learning something new. Sincere self-questioning can be shared. It makes a special bond between those who try to penetrate into meanings, especially the important elements of our inner life." pg 100 "Transformation" JG Bennett A dance version of Pie Jesu?!! Oh, Pat!! Keep dancing the 9 pointed star, Auntie Gail ------------------------------ From: Alex Moseley Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:03:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: Earthbound-bound? In issue #4 HFHIFI offered some helpful but firm warnings to searchers of Earthbound. I have to admit that I found Earthbound in a second hand shop a year or so ago, and bought it out of interest. I too couldn't believe how atrocious the sound was. I put it away and thought I'd listen to it late at night in a more conducive atmosphere. I did, and found it even worse. In my younger days I listened to some of the worst bootlegs, and yet all were crystal clear in comparison to this! I haven't had the guts to play it since. It really is bad. Heed HFHIFI's words, fellow searchers, and avoid undue cost and pain! Alex. *----------------------------- Alex Moseley, Computer Officer (Arts & Law), University of Leicester. ------------------------------ From: Clive Backham Subject: Re: Sylvian / Fripp live in Japan boot vid Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:04:23 -0000 In ET #434, Taylor K. Sherman wrote about buying a bootleg videotape copy of a Japan-only laserdisk release, and justified it with a not-totally-unreasonable argument. Do I, however, detect a tinge of guilt? So then, Taylor, and anyone else who buys a bootleg and feels guilty, why not just send a $5 note ($10 during the Christmas season) to the artist in question in lieu of their lost royalties? It's certainly a whole lot more than they would get from your purchasing a legitimate copy. If you're afraid of repercussions, do it anonymously. Clive Backham Capita Business Services Ltd. (+44) 1442 872121 clive at capita dot nildram dot co dot uk ------------------------------ From: "Christopher A. Jepson" Subject: Earthbound bad, Giles good Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:24:03 -0500 (EST) Comments on two posts in # 435: 1. I second Ralph Jessie's opinion that "Earthbound" is highly disappointing -- primarily of historical interest. On listening to it recently, I was struck by how Boz was able to make 21CSM sound uncannily like Black Sabbath... 2. Regarding Gerald Murphy's post about Mike Giles -- I would be interested in hearing people's opinions on the topic of exactly what it is about Mike Giles' drumming that was/is so exceptional. (Note: I'm not disagreeing with that assessment, merely curious to hear it articulated in more detail.) I've got my tickets to the Painted Bride on the 12th. Anyone else going? Maybe we should wear red carnations or something... -- CJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:08:01 -0500 From: Sanjay Krishnaswamy Subject: Ben Monder Trio Incidentally, there was a thread awhile back about Bill Frisell -- a real master of both composition and performance, who's been blessed with chances to show his versatility that even our KC guitar boys haven't had. (It's interesting to hear, in one sitting, Frisell sensitively comping with Paul Motian, supporting the band on his own _This Land_, soloing amazingly on _Live_, then suddenly playing thrash metal with Naked City). Anyway -- for those interested in both Frisell and the mid-70s Crimson, I highly recommend the albums _Flux_ and _Dust_ from Canadian guitarist Ben Monder. Really a marvel and seems very informed by _Starless and Bible Black_ -era Crimson. SK ____________________________________________________________________________ Sanjay Krishnaswamy sanjay at visidyne dot com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:44:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Markus Schneemann Subject: DEC 1-4 / Jazz cafe Hi there, I just managed to get a ticket for the 'projeckt/PROJECKT 1'-concert (Fripp/Gunn/Levin/Bruford) - it wasn't easy. I couldn't get through the ET homepage - gig guide address (my server said 'file not found'). The concerts take place at the 'Jazz Cafe'(0171-9166060) in Camden Town, London,UK, address is 5 Parkway somewhere in Camden. For tickets you have to phone 0171-3440044, 15 pounds/head. Doors will open at 7 p.m.. See you there, Markus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:34:47 -0800 From: "Stephen T. Kilpatrick" Subject: Enchanced Nightwatch Disc 2 Folks - I just received my UK import copy of "The Nightwatch" through Possible Productions - kudos to them for making this available early to those of us in the U.S. In addition to the wonderful packaging (a new essay from Fripp, updated notes from The Great Deceiver booklet, new notes from Cross and Singleton, and many pictures!) and equally wondrous music (I had never heard the bootlegs, only S&BB), I was very surprised to learn that the second CD is "enhanced" - it has basically the same material as the DGM web site in CD-ROM form. The DGM catalog, with copious sound samples and credits, plus artist bios, is represented. When viewing an item, quotes from reviews of the release cycle, and not just favorable ones. Also, random quotes appear at the bottom of the screen, changing every few seconds. These appear to be Frippian in origin, as I recognize some of them from liner notes. Finally, one can place an order to DGM using the CD-ROM with an open Internet connection. I have a burning question, though. What is the piece of music that is sampled on the opening screen? It almost sounds like new, unreleased improv-style Crimson, but perhaps not. It doesn't seem to be duplicated as a sample from any of the other items in the catalog. Any ideas? Steve Kilpatrick http://www.pitt.edu/~kilpatri/ ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #437 ********************************