Errors-To: et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Reply-To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #435 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 435 Tuesday, 18 November 1997 Today's Topics: VROOMLESS some old Lore questions answered, some new comments Sinfield & Hackett New releases, new labels Tony Levin ProjeKt/reissues "Well get out, there's the door" Help! CGT Concert Info Manhattan Marotta, Levin and Gorn Re: Confused about 1995 soundscapes series KC '98 remasters; PROJEkCT ONE King Crimson painting for sale Proj(azz)ekc(afe)t: One, Two, Three, Four! Mike Giles "...closer, to the wounding heart" David Cross "Exiles" Crimso lads in new releases Consider this, ETer's... Eno again Upgrades; Centipede; Who else? Playin' the blues Tom Phillips ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ to ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: et-help at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk ETWEB: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ (partial mirror at http://members.aol.com/etmirror/) You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig-bin/newslet.pl THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- From: "Alias" Subject: VROOMLESS Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:41:29 -0600 I found a guitar tab for VROOM on the ET web site. I would like very much to play the entire song but the tab includes the following line: "The main theme is played in major thirds you can play it on the 3rd & 4th strings." This means next to nothing to me. Could someone please point me toward another tab or give me an English explanation as to what to pluck? It is impossible to achieve the aim without tabs. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 23:01:34 -0500 From: s craig stamm Subject: some old Lore questions answered, some new comments Hello again fellow Chrimheads, It has been a long while since I last posted, but I would like to thank everyone who (often humorously) responded to my Crimso Lore post in ET #406. I would like to give you a brief run down on what I have learned through ET posts and personal e-mails on the statements/questions that appeared in my post (by number): 1) In regard to my statement that Robert and Bill first met due to Robert losing the gas cap from his car in front of Bill's house--no one mentioned any conformation of this event occurring, although I distinctly remember reading it somewhere in the past (it seemed so magical I don't think I could possibly have dreamed this up--I could use your help here Biffy). B.A. posted personally to tell me that Bill saw KC perform in 1969 (probably met Robert as a result), rented a flat with Robert, and also mentioned that Robert sat in on the Close to the Edge sessions and was impressed enough with Bill to invite him to join the 1972 Crimson (as is detailed in YPG and FbF). 2) In regard to my friend's old comment that the final voice you hear near the end of LTiA Pt1 (before the crescendo) is speaking in German and is in fact Hitler--many people responded to this comment with both funny and analytical critiques. I must say that the voices we hear before/at the crescendo are not "the entire band speaking in mantras out of synch" as B.A. suggested (based on YPG liner notes). The mantras do occur but are directly after the crescendo.=20 Tom Ace (ET #410) thought he heard the word "einundzwanzigste", which is German for "21st" (Yes, I hear that too, as in the Schizoid Man?). Steve Parker commented that he read that this was Billy B. reciting multiple tracks of passages from books. James Dignan (ET #411) heard a woman speaking in English, then the German, and finally the chanting. Funniest of all was the post (ET #413) that it was Eva Braun and Hitler arguing by Dick Ross--I was literally rolling on the floor after reading his dialog! Thanks Dick, I loved it. Maybe we can digress to the point of listening to Beatles records backward, but I really think the solution to this little piece of lore could use some help from the engineers out there who might be able isolate these voices (someone had suggested a/b ing left and right channels). Anyway, this is still a mystery to me (and perhaps will remain one). 3) Only a couple of comments came through on the rattling, low frequency final tone on LTiA Pt2, which a friend told me was one of the lowest recordable tones. Someone did suggest another low frequency bass recording for people to examine (which I've misplaced), which I think was from "Lamb Lies Down..." (Genesis). Also, James Dignan (ET #411) suggested the aerial fly-bys at the end of Heavenly Music Corporation from No Pussyfooting (Fripp/Eno) as being some earthshaking, low frequency tones worth checking out. 4) The tonal structures/tingle line. Not too much was said on this one as well. I had brought out the point that certain frequencies/tones can evoke certain emotional responses (cops use them over loudspeakers to flush/annoy people out of buildings), and that KC experimented with these in the 1970's and beyond. The Concertgebouw show was one show that had been mentioned in particular for the use of sonic experimentation and crowd reaction. Robert on his stool seems in an uncanny position to judge the effects (any comments Mr. Fripp?) of the sounds. I wonder if the police ever tried any particularly dissonant KC music on people and were in turn arrested for not paying royalties (heh-heh). 5) Biffy the incredible shrew really nailed the one on Ted Nugent's supposed comments on Fripp. Yes, this was indeed the dialog I read and it was in fact from Creem, not Circus Raves as I stated! Thanks for straightening me out on this one--it was a hypothetical conversation, not real! This crude letter was quite memorable and appalling (see ET #409). Biffy did you write for Creem at one time (how else could you remember it)? 6) I think B.A. is correct in telling me that The Sheltering Sky was based on a dark book by Todd Bowles. I was wrong about a children's book of the same name (Rain on the Kaputti Plain is what I was thinking about). [ No, it's Paul Bowles. -- Toby ] 7) In regard to my comment on the usual yellow color of the ToaPP album and possible homage to "yellow Bill" Bruford, C.V.V. set the record straight here in a personal post. He said, "The reason that ToaPP was yellow is that KC had a three record deal with Warner Brothers and they were originally intended to represent three primary colors (red-blue-yellow), nothing deeper than that. Also note that all three colors are combined on the back cover image." Wow, cool--"I DID NOT KNOW THAT" (as Johnny Carson used to say)! OK, enough cleaning up of the lore for now. I would however like to mention a couple of new things. Anyone interested in seeing an image of "The Night Watch" can do so by using the following web site care of the Web Museum, Paris--http://sunsite.unc.edu/wm/paint/auth/rembrandt/1640/night-watch/.=20 I took an inkjet color representation of the image and placed it above my desk at work with the Crimso lyrics--it's beautiful! I have to feel that this painting should have appeared on the cover of the 1973 Live album.=20 I'm sorry Robert, but Pam Crook misses the whole point with the silly dogs and night watchman painting IMHO (although I really enjoyed her art on Epitaph). I have noticed that VH1 has been replaying the old Saturday Night Specials. As you probably know, King Crimson appeared once on this program in 1973 (as sited in a recent post in ET #433). If anyone knows when VH1 may replay this show with KC, I think we all would love to watch and record it. How about some regional or annual award for some of the great Crimson fans out there like: Robert Cervero, Toby Howard, Orn Orrason, Dan Kirkdorffer, Ted White, etc... If not, then please be aware that out here in ET/Crimson land we do know about and appreciate your passion! It is great to see Robert's updates on the band and on band-related activities! I'm glad he takes the time to post us and keep us informed. We love you Robert! I hope to see ya'll in Nashville in February! Since this post is already too long (sorry Toby), I'll reserve my questions on a vinyl-treating process known as "Sound Guard", the art of spitting in West Virginia, the fortunate lack of KC band mortalities, and some other topics for next time! Best wishes, Craig ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 09:06:04 -0500 From: Ralph Jessie/Lori Kerns Organization: Borders Subject: Sinfield & Hackett Hello fellow ET'ers - In response to several thins in #433... To Thierry Wyss - The Sinfield album "Still" is available on CD, but is retitled "Stillusion". It's on Voiceprint and you might be able to find it through online vendors or have your local music store order it for you. It is an import. There's also a bootleg floating around called "Envelopes of Yesterday" which is live from a show somewhere in England the summer of 1973. I found this in an import store, and the packaging has no more information than that. To Donald Chin & anyone else who may be interested - I have word from Steve Hackett's management that they plan a Feb/March release for "The Tokyo Tapes"... a double live CD & full concert video from the Genesis Revisited shows in Japan with Ian McDonald and John Wetton. Also, I have a bootleg CD of the Earthbound album that reproduces the album art faithfully, but changes the titles printed on the disc itself to: Actual 1. 21st Century Schizoid Man 1. Century 2. Peoria 2. Peach 3. A Sailor's Tale 3. Tail 4. Earthbound 4. Bound 5. Groon 5. Groove I don't know how many of you have the original album, but some of the vocal-scatting is pretty bad and the recording itself done on a stereo cassette deck was fairly distorted. Well, in mastering this boot they seem to have compounded the distortion a bit. Still, some great Fripp & Mel Collins moments...but Boz...oh, please! Wetton or Lake he was Not! Ralph Jessie mouser at javanet dot com SPECTRAL MORNINGS - http://www.javanet.com/~mouser/hackett.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 18:56:12 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: New releases, new labels Hello Friends: [ I've taken the liberty of editing Gary's note for KC-related content. -- Toby ] Gee, it seems like it's been a long while since I last wrote, almost a month. Things have been quite busy here with orders going out and new things coming in. I've much to tell you about. We have a new CD by Susan and Richard Barbieri called Indigo Falls. The seven songs on this new album are diverse in nature and range from bluesy atmospheric ballads through to more dynamic groove orientated pieces. Also, a lot of people have been asking about Changing Hands by Jansen, Barbieri & Takemura. Although this has not yet come out on Medium, it is available as a Japanese import for those that can't wait. You'll find it and the Indigo Falls release on our Medium Productions page at . Also coming out soon from David Cross is his new album, Exiles. This album features his former King Crimson bandmates Robert Fripp and John Wetton as well as Peter Hammill and features a new version of that Crimson classic, Exiles. That track is also featured on a new King Crimson tribute CD featuring Cross, Brand X and a number of other groups. The tribute is called Schizoid Dimension. You'll find both CD's listed on our Red Hot page at . So, how are things in your town? Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol dot com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 17:21:24 -0800 From: spike Subject: Tony Levin Hi there. Did you know that the next Levin/Bruford CD will be coming out next year with David Torn (one of my most favorite CD's is Cloud About Mercury) and Chris Botti. I can hardly wait. Can somebody tell me who Botti is. And incase you don't have it yet...you must get Black Light Syndrome. Put it on and don't bother with low vloume at all, just crank it! By the way, it sounds great through headphones. Take it easy, spike Life's a blast, let's explode! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:10:49 +1300 (NZDT) From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James Dignan) Subject: ProjeKt/reissues I've been a little out of the loop lately - can anyone tell me if any of the ProjeKts will be recorded and released? >David MacLennan's post in ET #432 is a subject I addressed a few issues >ago [ET# 425 -' Re-Remasters - make them worth the money!' ] I suggested >that the next generation of remasters include informative, lengthy liner >notes. I would agree with this - I would love to see a reissue series with information along the lines of the recent Byrds reissues, which were well worth trading in the old CDs for! I'd also echo David's suggestion that the unavailable material (especially the Judy Dyble "I Talk to the Wind") finally gets onto CD as bonus tracks. In doing these things, there would be plenty for both the newcomer to the Crimson oeuvre AND the diehard aficionado. James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:41:34 +0100 From: Alex Brugger Subject: "Well get out, there's the door" in answer to Frank's query > does anyone know where the "vocals" on (I forget the name > of the song- "Well, get out! There's the door") are from? Or were they > performed exclusevly for the song? I think I remember reading in Eric Tamm's book (that man again) that Robert simply taped an argument that was going on in the flat next door some time in the late seventies when he was living in NYC. (hmmm, rather thin walls they must have had there...) so in a way those vocals were indeed "performed" exclusively "for" that song. of course I haven't got my copy of the book here at the office now so I can't check this out but I think this is what I read ........yonks ago... for the edits on Exposure CD/album versions I'd suggest checking out the "Exposure Pages" on ET web. bring a couple of hours' time and some pints of coffee..... :-) cheers, Alex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:12:40 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Van Wey Subject: Help! Greetings ETers, I hope Toby doesn't snip this, but are there any ETers in Seattle thatwould be interested in creating a band. I am a vocalist and bassist. I am very much into Peter Gabriel, David bowie, and King Crimson (ofcourse). My bass style is in the same vein as Tony Levin; I like totap my bass like a stick (I will eventually purchase one). My vocalstyle is unique, as my vocal influences range from Steve Vai to PeterGabriel. I am looking for one or two guitarists of theFripp/Belew/Gabrels vein. I am tired grungers, punks, and shredders. Ialso would like a kit drummer or two percussionists. I was envisioningone percussionist on ethnic drums (Djembes and Taos drums), and onepercussionist on post-apocalyptic metal trash (hub caps, steel barrels,and pipes). I loved the track "B'Boom" on Thrak. A cross between thatand Peter Gabriel's "Security" would be IDEAL. I also am into dramaand theatre. I want to incorporate this aspect into the performances(like PG). If this interests any Seattlite ETers, please email me: alex_j_van_wey at yahoo dot com Thanks ETers and Toby (if he lets this post on), Alex J Van Wey __________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 09:06:33 From: Jon Lybrook Subject: CGT Concert Info Hi All, The California Guitar Trio are holding some concerts in Utah this month. Hideyo Moriya (of the CGT) is also having one in Tokyo in December. For up to date info on the CGT, please visit their website, which I maintain, at http://www.cgtrio.com . The concert schedule page is http://www.cgtrio.com/sched.htm They are an amazing band, as many of you who've seen them know. After all, who but the best could open for King Crimson and consistently get standing ovations? Their new album was recorded in Utah recently and the master tapes are currently in England being worked on by Robert Fripp, Bert Lams (also of the CGT) and David Singleton. The forthcoming album is expected in the spring of 1998. Good news to keep you warm all winter long. :) Visit the site for more details! Thanks, Jon Lybrook Email: jlybrook at cgtrio dot com ------------------------------ From: "Hickson, Robert [PRI]" Subject: Manhattan Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:23:03 -0500 Driving down the road listening to a legitimate bootleg (Grateful Dead - Eyes of the World>Big River, Iowa State Fairgrounds, 1973), the Dead section ended, revealing that I had inadvertantly taped over an illigitimate Crimson bootleg. It was a show at Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ in...um...1981? (I had nothing to do with it. I swear! It's a shabby recording given to me by a friend.) Adrian introduced a song from the new album, "Manhattan". Listening to the instrumental makes me appreciate the lyrics all the more. "Manhattan" pales in comparison (to my ear) to "Neurotica". A sure fire way to make me laugh? The juxtaposition of the whirring caucophony of city noise which opens "Neurotica" with Adrian's pleasant, energetic "Good morning, it's 3 a.m...". The shock of not being shocked! This guy is a hoot! Ok, back to side B (China>Rider, Greak Theater, Berkley, CA, 1985), then I will tape over the Crimson material as to not upset the balance within the cosmos or have my shoe spat upon or bring ill will to myself in any other number of ways. ------------------------------ From: "Philippe Guay" Subject: Marotta, Levin and Gorn Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:33:12 PST Hey all! This week-end i had the wonderful oppurtunity to not only see Marotta, Levin and Gorn live but also had the oppurtunity to meet Mr. Levin and have him sign my Discipline CD. This all took place last Saturday, the 8th at the 5th annual Montrial Drum Fest and any of you who were there know how great a show it was. The group played music from their release Down in a cave and it was simply great. Jerry Marotta played interesting rythms along with Levin's as always brillant Stick/bass playing and what to say about Gorn's exhilarating vocabulary of modal playing, especially East Indian ? I was breathless... The only thing that would have made my day greater is if Bruford had been there giving a drum clinic or if the whole crimson came along and given a show. Fat chance of that happening!!! Warm Reagards, PHIL Discipline is never an end in itself, only a means to an end -Fripp ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:52:21 +0200 From: Angelo Machils Subject: Re: Confused about 1995 soundscapes series Hiyo All! Propably this question has been asked here a number of times already, but bear with me, I'm new to this list.... I have "Radiophonics" and "A Blessing Of Tears". The latter states in the booklet that "Soundbites" is part 3 of the series. So I tried to order that one (I work in a record-store myself so I thought it would be easy; well..... it wasn't/isn't). No dutch distributor could deliver "Soundbites" (actually very few Discipline items are easily available over here). I could only order through import, and only a Japanese version. It would cost almost twice the normal price (75 instead of 40 guilders), but since it was the only way, I ordered it. When it came in, I paid for it immediatly without looking at it. After work I wanted to listen to it at home, and when I put the CD in the player I noticed the title "That Which Passes". WHAT THE H***? Don't get me wrong, it's a great album, but I could have gotten than one for 40 guilders (since that one is also available in dutch, american and english pressings). But what I don't understand even more is that it's supposed to be part 3 of the "1995 Soundscapes" series?!?!?!?!?!? What happened to "Soundbites"? I tried to order "Soundbites" again (4 times actually) but I keep getting "That Which Passes". The firm that specialises in import in Holland needs more info on how to get this paticular CD, because they don't understand it anymore either. Feel Greeted, Angelo bytor at snowdog dot cuci dot nl The Light You See At The End Of The Tunnel ... ... Is The Headlight Of A Fast Approaching Train. ------------------------------ From: David MacLennan Subject: KC '98 remasters; PROJEkCT ONE Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:28:53 +1300 Due to a meltdown of the e-mail system at work the last couple of ETs sent to me bounced, so I had to catch up via the archive (BTW, why is the link to Mike Stok's archive never working? I can't even get the hourglass "wait" icon to appear when I click on this link). There seems to be some argument about why expanded liner notes, extra tracks etc. should be included in the new remasters. If I understand right, Fripp The Shameless Marketing Weasel is not enthusiastic about the idea. I think some people may have missed the point here. I posted my original suggestion (as did a few others) not to suggest that this should be done to just to entice those who've already bought the original Def Eds to fork out again, but because its a good idea in its own right! This is an important body of work, and so deserves the best in terms of both the music and the packaging. Also, if this next round of DEs is aimed more at a younger generation of Crimheads new to the band, then there is all the MORE reason to do this, so that they have some idea of the history and context of this music. Let's face it, the pop comics and the "alternative" (so-called) radio stations have no sense of history if it's more than five years old, so good liner notes can only help a newcomer's understanding of the band's history. Of course, they could also simply go to the ET website, but not everyone has an Internet link. So the liner notes and extra tracks can only add value, and I think the idea is worthy of serious consideration by Fripp and Virgin (and of course it's the latter who'll really call the shots here as they own the back catalog). On to PROJEkCT ONE etc.: I was interested in Robert's update in ET432 re this projekct. I think it would be a very good idea to release some CDs of these projekcts - say, live "official bootlegs". To keep costs down they could be simply packaged in a cardboard sleeve a la "Sometimes God Hides" and made available only via mail order from DGM (perhaps a free slipcase could be offered to contain them all). What do others think? David Maclennan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:40:59 -0500 (EST) From: XENOMANIAC at aol dot com Subject: King Crimson painting for sale For Sale, large 4ft x 4ft artists' painting of the (inside) sleeve from the "IN THE COURT" album done on canvas. This painting was commissioned by a record retailer for display during a Robert Fripp (in-store performance) concert of (Frippertronics) July 8, 1979. Signed by Mr. Fripp on the hand of the painting. Five star rating. Place your bid via e- mail to: XENOMANIAC at AOL dot COM thanks, tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:17:21 +0000 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ant=F3nio?= Cebola Subject: Proj(azz)ekc(afe)t: One, Two, Three, Four! Lacking sleep and food and vision here I am again, encamped upon your floor, craving sanctuary and nourishment, encouragement and sanctity and more. VdGG - Red ----------- Fellow Team Members, What response would we get from DGM if we sent them the name of all the list members that would like to have the complete Jazz Cafe sessions (in glorious Audio Verite ;-)) released in a "n"-CD box? I don't mind collecting all names and emailing them to DGM :) Antonio Cebola ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:56:58 +0000 From: mist at cableinet dot co dot uk Subject: Mike Giles Dear Toby, Congratulations on your Elephant Talk Web Site. I have been a silent viewer for some eighteen months and a King Crimson enthusiast for 28 years. You may be interested to know that a Mike Giles album (a percussion orchestra with contributions from Ian Mcdonald)may well be released on the DGM label next year. I believe the work of Giles in 1969 represented the pinnacle of all time great rock drumming and has not been equalled by anyone since. Indeed before the Epitaph Playback in London, one DGM employee told me that both Bill Bruford and Pat Mastelotto regard Giles as God. It is unfortunate that musicians live in a less than perfect world where artistic reward does not reflect artistic ability. Mike Giles in 1969 was armed with enough natural genius to equip a regiment of Donald Trumps. In a perfect world where musical reward reflected musical ability, Mike Giles 1969, would have needed a train to take home his earnings. If Mike Giles 1997/1998 is the equal of Mike Giles 1969 then DGM customers are in for a treat. Regards Gerald Murphy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:54:52 -0500 From: James Bailey Organization: Southam Inc. Subject: "...closer, to the wounding heart" Yikes! It has happened to me! As a natural-born sceptic I never put much stock in the posts about hearing KC songs in dreams, amusing and intriguing as they have been. Last night, however, I had a similar thing happen to me. The subject on this post is the last few words of the song, and the only part I managed to remember. Though it wasn't KC, but actually a Frank Zappa band doing it, the vocals were definitely Adrian. The music was heavy fuzz (a la sky-saw) guitar and not much else. "It's just one of those songs that you hear now and then..." Jim Bailey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:12:31 +0100 From: bigbang at alpes-net dot fr (Calyx/Big Bang) Subject: David Cross "Exiles" Hello fellow ETers, I was on the phone with Brian Leafe of Red Hot Records this afternoon. He told me David Cross's 4th solo album "Exiles" will finally be released next week. It has been longer in the making than planned since the band doesn't have a settled line-up. Keyboard player Sheila Maloney left to start a family. Currently, there are only 3 fulltime members : Cross, bass player Mick Paul, and drummer Dan Maurer. Helping out on the album are John Wetton, Robert Fripp, and Peter Hammill, among others. No live dates are planned for the near future. Brian tells me it is not profitable for David to tour in England. This is why the only gigs in recent years were in continental Europe (I saw them in Stuttgart in June'95). Planned, though, are gigs in California (!) sometime in 1998. Aymeric Leroy ------------------------------ From: "Ott, John" Subject: Crimso lads in new releases Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:09:52 -0600 Pickup up some good records last week with Crimso players involved. the first was Steve Hackett's "Genesis Revisited" he plays genesis songs with various players from King Crimson, Asia, Mike and Mechanics Zappa alum etc. On "Watcher of the Skies" the lineup is Steve - guitar John Wetton -vocals Tony Levin - bass Bill Bruford - drums Julian Colbeck - keys (including Mellotron) with the Royal Philharmonic This cut alone is worth the price of the CD. Bill and Tony really groove on Phil Collin's rhythm pattern. And John does a great job on vocals. Steve talks in the liner notes about getting a Mellotron in the 70'S and Genesis got the "Black Bitch" from King Crimson. Also on "Firth of Fifth" Steve- Guitar John Wetton- Bass and Vocals Bill Bruford - Drums Ben Fenner - keys & programming This is good too. Hearing Bill and John together as a rhythm section makes me lust for the UK album under way. Also of note is "Your own special way" with a wonderful vocal by Paul Carrack (Ace, Mike and the Mechanics) no Crimso lads on that one. Also picked up Andy Summers "Last dance of Mr. X." with Tony Levin on Bass and Gregg Bissonette on Drums. This a good album of Jazz written by Andy (5 tunes) with a couple of Wayne Shorter tunes, one by Mongo Santomaria, one by Horace Silver, Thelonius Monk's "We See" and Charles Mingus's "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" Tony's playing is great (as usual) and I like Andy's choice of tunes and guitar colors on this one. I hope he and RF do another project again some day. later John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:24:17 -0500 (EST) From: John Toothman Subject: Consider this, ETer's... This is a hypothetical scenario. Imagine that you were given the opportunity to travel 1000 years into the future. What would music be like? What would it lack, or what would it posess that prior music had lacked? (These are optional questions. Now, consider this...). If you had the opportunity to bring 1000 years into the future three albums, what would those albums be and describe why in any terms you wish. Here's my list: 1. THRaKaTTaCK -1996, King Crimson. I presented someone with this scenario about a year ago, and my first reply was THRaKaTTaCK because it was so unlike anything I had ever heard before. It was very inventive and unique and lacked, in a positive way, many things that devalue the current state of the musical arts. 2. DISCREET MUSIC -1975, Brian Eno. I think this album is the first major illustration of Eno's ambient position, but this is not why I am choosing it. I choose this album because Ithink Eno better illustrated his position in later works, such as MUSIC FOR AIRPORTS (which was a contender). Therefore, I think bringing this album 1000 years into the future might have a more powerful effect, because it traces Eno's aesthetics (which I personally ascribe quality to) to its more primary roots, thus allowing for broader divergences. 3. I can't think of a third. Maybe NO PUSSYFOOTING (as you can tell, I am a big fan of Fripp and Eno, both individually and as a working team). Thanks a lot. twd ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:14:19 -0500 From: simon beauchemin Subject: Eno again Hi ETrs, Im very interested to get that "ONE ENO" video.. how long does it last? I once read a web page called "the black box of culture" which turned out to be a documentary on Brian Eno, I sent several emails to the producers and distributors and none of em replied. I'd like to know if anyone know about these videos? Thanx for sharing this King Crimson related newsletter to some desperate Eno fans. simon. ------------------------------ From: "Louis Courteau" Subject: Upgrades; Centipede; Who else? Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:55:38 -0500 Hello fellow Norway maple fans, The last couple of ET issues have been a real treat. Thanks to all contributors. Thanks also to those who helped me learn more about Stu Hamm. The feeling I gather from the postings on re-reissues is that Crimheads would appreciate the equivalent of a special price for upgrading (prove you already bought a previous version of this stuff and get an X% rebate on the new version). Have Adobe.com take care of this catalog! Just joking, of course. While I'm at it, is the quasi disappearance of the mellotron in the Frame by Frame version of The Peacock's Tale an upgrade? Yes, that mellotron was ill-tempered, but I figure it was part of that piece's sound. Warning: the following topics may be long-dead threads; if I see them disappear (?) I will understand. There is a legend about a very large short-lived band called Centipede. All I know about it is that most of the Lizard band was in there. Any details? Any recordings available? I have noticed that the most frequently cited non-KC-related musician (except by AB's one-year stint with him) is Mr Zappa himself. I've come to wonder: those ETers are collectors, for sure. Like me, they all have at least 10 KC recordings. Well, who else do you have 10 recordings of? Wanna know my answer? If not, skip to the next posting. Anyway, I wanna know yours! My answer is: Philip Glass, Johann Sebastian Bach, Jethro Tull, Bob Dylan, FZ (of course), Paul Simon, Peter Gabriel, Pink Floyd, Joni Mitchell, Leo Ferre (there are two acute accents there, but ET's listserv program will turn that name into Lio Ferri), Jacques Brel, Art Blakey, Duke Ellington, and J.J. Johnson. Igor Stravinsky, David Byrne, Laurie Anderson, and Chicago are among the close contenders. Keep on keeping on, louis in quebexity ------------------------------ From: "Louis Courteau" Subject: Playin' the blues Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:29:08 -0500 Hi! It's me! I'm back! Forgot about this topic: who said RF can't play the blues? Tell me, then, what is the structure of all but the verses in Pictures of a City? what about that wonderful woman/man instrumental dialog in Ladies of the Road? Even Indoor Games could be extrapolated from a blues structure. Enough already. loco stil in quebexity ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:52:34 -0500 From: Tom Law Subject: Tom Phillips I was just reading the latest issue of "BBC Music" (a pretty cool classical-music-for-the-layperson magazine), and saw the final article (of a series of 50) by Tom Phillips on "Music and Art". In this article, he discusses his own work, and provides illustrations. Suddenly I realized, these pictures are from the same body of work as what I seen inside "Starless and Bible Black"! And sure enough, he's the guy who did the cover design! He doesn't mention the KC connection in the article, of course, but does mention his chamber opera "Irma", which Eno released on his own label back in the '70's. Oh, what fun! ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #435 ********************************