Errors-To: et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Reply-To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #425 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 425 Wednesday, 8 October 1997 Today's Topics: Doctor Diamond in Goldmine - of course! How do I find this book? BEC #038 A B3 for G3 Fripp on tour Is the check in the mail? Fripp With G3 Bruford? (fwd) Announcing "Six Degrees of Robert Fripp" Millenium Project Re: KC on Brazil? RE: Nordine/Artist Shop/How are things in your town Thanks for the Upgrades, Mr. Fripp! sleepless dance mix Fripp & The Orb Dancing with Doctor D. Re-Remasters - make them worth the money! kursu_Guitar_Craft_w_Polsce_/_Possibili?= Catherine Wheel does Fripp Werner Herzog tingles USA version of Easy Money Moderation/New Age Is 6 too many? and Are We Being Improv'd to Death? Brief take on new Remasters Robert Fripp, Robin Trower, Bends, And Wobbles Thrak Attacks Class! Fripp's sense of humor Fripp video Frippertronics FW: Fripp makes metalheads squirm Fripp These Guys Crack Me Up ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ to ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: et-help at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk ETWEB: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ (partial mirror at http://members.aol.com/etmirror/) You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig-bin/newslet.pl THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 00:26:35 -0400 From: Steve Smith Subject: Doctor Diamond in Goldmine - of course! > From: Biffyshrew at aol dot com > Subject: The real "Doctor Diamond" > > You probably read it in Goldmine's 1992 cover story on King Crimson, > written > by, ahem, me. I *thought* so!!! Without meaning to blow wind up your skirt too egregiously, that article was the most remarkable piece I've ever seen on the band, but I don't have a copy here in New York, alas, so I couldn't check the hunch that the story I remembered had appeared in that article. It's a disappointment, really, that the whole thing wasn't reprinted in TGD, but you're right, much of that may not have been pertinent to the contents of TGD... then again, neither were reviews of "Frame by Frame." Thanks for the reminder, a relief that at least that part of my mind remains intact. And thanks, too, for the article, five years later. Stretching the point past believability, is there a Genesis expert in the house who can satisfy my curiosity as to whether the reference to "Dr. Diaper / Reformed sniper / He'll whip off your windshield wiper" in "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" might in fact be a reference to the same medic? Steve Smith ssmith36 at sprynet dot com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 00:40:00 -0700 From: Douglas Wright Subject: How do I find this book? Hello! My name is Douglas Wright. I just read somewhere that there is a book entitled "Robert Fripp - From King Crimson to Guitar Craft". Does anyone know who the author and/or publishers are? Is there an easy way to get a hold of this book? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 01:53:48 -0400 From: louis courteau Subject: A B3 for G3 Daniel Farris wonders: >I am going to see Fripp at G3 on October 12. Does anyone know if >Fripp re-appears with the group after his initial Soundscapes >performance, or would I be free to leave when the Soundscapes are >concluded? Well, Daniel, the show you're about to see is a bit more than the Soundscapes that sometimes start before the gates open. So stick around. I don't know who the 3Gs are in your area. In Quebec City last summer we had local hero Michel Cusson with his Wild Unit, Steve Vai with a just wonderful show (IMHO the best overall performance of the night) featuring the inimitable Mike Keneally and a few Zappesque antics such as "playing" the band like an instrument, and Joe Satriani in the raw, just a trio, but what a trio, including a bass solo such as you have never heard before or you wouldn't be talking of wasting 75% of your ticket budget. And Yes, of Course, Mr. Fripp does come back to play the blues with his pals - only, you know how shy he pretends to be, he's almost sitting in the aisle and you start wondering hey where is that hammond organ sound coming from? well, it's our old friend Bob playing the organ grinder on his guitar. No solo for him, though. Just chords in the B3 sixties style. Enjoy! And by the bye, let me salute Jamison Smeltz for his great Mea Culpa on bootlegging dated Sun, 28 Sep 1997 05:23:57. louis courteau (8^> loco at caractera dot com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:06:06 +1000 (EST) From: Sean Curtin Subject: Fripp on tour Hello ET'ers, Please excuse my ignorance if that it is, however did everyone hear about Robert's contribution to the tour of Joe Satrianni, Steve Vai and Kenny Wayne. In case this is an eara which has been done to death I will cease with my verbal diarea for this posting and inform you if I later on find to my astonishment that no one else has said anything. So far the only detail I have are from the august edition of Guitar magazine. Thank you all for being polite, patient and very Crimson. Sean Curtin. "In the correct frame of mind people find music to be of a higher value than ordinary sound waves like that of voice. However it is also true that music is so diverse that perhaps even a spoken sentence could be considered music. After all isn't music an ordered collection of sound waves? Admitedly the music would be raher dull however that is just my opinion, we see the success of spoken verse like rap to be strangely successful. This is something I may never understand." ------------------------------ Date: 01 Oct 97 02:46:03 +0000 From: Greg Bastug Subject: Is the check in the mail? What a pleasant surprise when I heard RFs infinite guitar from Bowie's "Heroes," currently repurposed as a theme in one of Microsoft's latest television ads... Now if RF is ever again going to battle for royalties, this would be one interesting dialog with Bill Gates. RF: You epitomize an industry founded on exploitation, oiled by deceit, riven with theft and fuelled by greed. BG: We each have our own aims. What do you want? RF: To help music come into the world which would otherwise be unlikely to do so, or under conditions prejudicial to the music and/or musicians. BG: Anything else? RF: To find an audience. BG: How about GETTING CRIMSON TOURING BEFORE 1998!?? (laughter subsides). All right. How about creating the next Windows start-up sound? RF: Hmm... Perhaps...Bootscapes: Live from Seattle - a painfully unprepared, 14-minute sonic slaughtering - mostly sampled voices of beta testers, resolving into the deceitfully soothing drone of software reviewers BG: Well, I was hoping for something that would contrast the actual user experience... Greg ------------------------------ From: leslabb at -ptd dot net Date: Tue, 30 Sep 97 20:39:03 -0400 Subject: Fripp With G3 In ET 423 Daniel Farris & Greg Inquired The Following, Respectively; DF>> Also, I am going to see Fripp at G3 on October 12. Does anyone know if DF>> Fripp re-appears with the group after his initial Soundscapes DF>> performance, or would I be free to leave when the Soundscapes are DF>> concluded? DF>> Daniel Farris DF>> denial recording DF>> Birmingham AL G>> I will be attending G3 and Robert Fripp at the Sunrise Musical Theater G>> in Sunrise Florida on 10-16. Does anybody know what the Fripp playlist G>> will be? G>> G>> Greg Dudes; Arrive at 5:00pm to be sure to see Robert from the beginning of his soundscapes. He usually plays untill 7:00-7:30pm. Mike Kennealy (SP?) may join Mr. Fripp for a jam or two. Robert does join everybody on stage at the end of the show for an "ALL-STAR" jam. ENJOY Les B. Labbauf (To reply remove the "-" from my email address) "It's always better to regret something you have done then to regret something you haven't done!" - Anonymous "There may be a legal obligation to obey, but there will be no moral obligation to obey. When it comes to history it will be the people that break the law for freedom who will be remembered and honored." Tony Benn, Labour MP "Beautiful!...magnificent desolation!" Buzz Aldrin "Something Unknown Is Doing Something We Don't Know What." Sir Arthur Eddington "What Me Worry?" Alfred E. Newman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:30:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Patrick West/Red Shift Subject: Bruford? (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:37:22 -0400 From: Patrick West To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Bruford? For everyone that has tried to help me with the Bill Bruford INFO, thanks. I have bought a simmons SDS400 electronic drum module, I was told Bill used the SD5 and SD7. Well I'm not sure what these modules are, and where my module ranks. I tried to find simmons home page but I am having problems. Once again I am in need of someone to enlighten me with this knowledge. Does anyone know the exact sizes of Brufords kit from discipline era? Cymbals? and what did bruford use for his hihat sounds seeing how he didn't have a pair in his setup. Does anyone know where I could email Bill directly, thats probably a dumb question but I'll take the chance. ------------------------------ From: jmccabe at pobox dot com (Jim McCabe) Subject: Announcing "Six Degrees of Robert Fripp" Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:53:49 -0400 I've created a web site listing a few of Fripp's connections to other musicians. Basically I needed an excuse to learn Java and wanted to have some fun at the same time. Try it out: http://www.pobox.com/~jmccabe/fripp/Fripp.htm (Note that the extension is .htm with no L.) I've successfully run the applet on MS Explorer 3.02 and HotJava beta 1.1. However, it doesn't seem to paint correctly under my very old copy of Netscape, and I haven't tried it with the latest release. Let me know if it doesn't work! Also, the scrollbar doesn't work quite right yet, so you have to drag the "bubble" to change the view. If you have any additional Fripp connections, feel free to send them to me and I'll add them to the list. Try to include a description of the connections, not merely the names. Also, try to stick to connections that are purely musical in nature -- ie, each connection collaborated musically with the next. So, for example, Dave Matthews isn't in the list because I don't think he's played with Fripp, even though he has named RF as an influence. Jim jmccabe at pobox dot com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:10:30 -0400 (EDT) From: KnKreutzer at aol dot com Subject: Millenium Project In ET #423, Neal Patrick Brown says: "I'm anxious to hear the album that Levin will be doing with DT's Petrucci and Portnoy. Anybody know any details?" According to Mr. Levin's most recent update to the Papa Bear Records Web site, this venture is tentatively titled "Millenium Project," and involves Jordan Rudes of the Dixie Dregs along with Portnoy and Petrucci. The rhythm tracks have, according to Levin, been finished, and he hopes that the CD will be available by the end of the year. It'll be on the Magna Carta label. You can keep up to date on Millenium Project -- and get Levin's inside scoop on the recording sessions -- at http://papabear.com/tlev.htm. Kenneth Kreutzer Kent, Ohio http://members.aol.com/knkreutzer/home.htm ------------------------------ From: "Du Bois" Subject: Re: KC on Brazil? Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:19:43 PDT cain joren reid writes: > I bought the movie "Brazil" on video yesterday and noticed > that on the cover there is some kind of really small > something-or-other. But on that is a symbol which looks > remarkably like the KC Double Trio symbol. Any connection? > (probably not-but I thought I'd make that known) I doubt there's a connection, but I'd pay big money to see RF and Ian Holm--hell, do anything together! Be it star in a movie, read poetry, wrestle... > That brings up another question: do KC fans enjoy similar > movies? This may be completely stupid, but it's partly an > attempt to end the tingles thread, and partly because I am > genuinely curious. I for one enjoy movies by the Coen > brothers (Raising Arizona, Fargo, Barton Fink, etc.) and > Terry Gilliam (Brazil, Fisher King, 12 Monkeys, etc.), among > others (mostly violent or extrmely depressing). This is an unsettling, though interesting, query. I for one thoroughly enjoy all of the films you've mentioned. As for flicks overflowing with sadness and/or guts-a-spillin', bring 'em on! I find your question unsettling for the same reasons I find most mass-marketing strategies: "Well, lessee, you like that so you must like this and since you loooved this, you'll just die for that!" I'm not trying to be sarcastic or insult you; rather, just react. Switching gears...has anyone been able to properly translate the group name "Los Gauchos Alemanes"? Meaning, is it a mixture of Spanish and French? Here's what I *think* I know: "los" in Spanish is "the" in English; "gauchos" in Spanish is "cowboys" in English; "alemanes" in French is...dunno. Any insights? DuB there ain't no crack in my pipe there ain't no crack in my veins -- "No Crack" (Abattoir Buggery) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:50:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark2u at aol dot com Subject: RE: Nordine/Artist Shop/How are things in your town >Aha. Well, I wonder if Gary Davis even knows this -- after all, the phrase >has passed into common use by now. Heck, I didn't know that and I even own >two Nordine CDs (Colours and the Rhino best-of). I'm no fan of the Artist Shop postings in ET (since I also seem to have been added to their mailing list -- reading one is enough), but I am a fan of Ken Nordine. However, somewhat in Mr. Davis's defense, he used to close his letter by saying "As my friend Ken Nordine said . . . how are things in your town?" (I say "somewhat" in his defense only because every time I read that I wondered if Mr. Nordine really was Mr. Davis' friend, or if he was simply name dropping.) Mark Stevens ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:05:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark2u at aol dot com Subject: Thanks for the Upgrades, Mr. Fripp! In ET 423 Eb selectively quotes Ulrich von Hecker (without use of ellipses), making the original post look incoherent. In doing so it is clear that Eb obviously misses the point of the original post. >From: Eb >Subject: Re: draining pockets >>From: hecker > >>I'm really puzzled about all these recent postings saying, essentially >>how bad that we have to put out money again for this upcoming remastered CDs >>from the King Crimson back catalogue". This attitude seems to be completely >>inconsistent...So, I'm asking, what problem do these folks have??? > >>Dr. Ulrich von Hecker >Not all of us are rich doctors. ;) >Eb As the original post points out, either you perceive the value of the upgraded editions and are therefore willing to make the purchase, or you do not perceive the value and therefore do not make the purchase. Simple demand-side economics. Salary's got nothing to do with it. I haven't heard anything saying that the remastered CDs will cost more. If you don't want 'em don't buy 'em. Funny, I seldom hear anyone complain (seriously) about Intel upgrading the Pentium chip or Motorola upgrading the 604 processor. I don't upgrade my whole system every time "the next best thing" comes along, but I'm glad that the opportunity exists. Not everyone can afford a 233Mhz Pentium II workstation -- that doesn't make Intel a villain. I regard Mr. Fripp's desire to continue to upgrade the collection as admirable and rare, and applaud his efforts. You forget, Eb, not everyone on the planet has the entire KC collection. There is no question that first-time buyers can only benefit from the remastering. Not to mention the unborn generations. Or you, when you loan your copy of LTiA to an irresponsible friend and end up needing to replace it. Will Mr. Fripp enjoy monetary remuneration for his efforts? All I can say is, I sure hope so! Now if we can only get George Martin to do the same thing with the Beatles collection! Regards, Mark Stevens ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 19:42:06 -0400 From: Bev Subject: sleepless dance mix Though I have never seen it listed in any discography, I'm virtually certain that there was a cd single of "Sleepless" released in Canada in the mid eighties. Can anyone confirm or refute this? At any rate, my main concern is to find any cd containg the superb "dance mix" of "Sleepless". With all the mainstream compilation releases of King Crimson releases I can't believe this masterpiece has not been included on any (unless I'm mistaken). Does anyone know if it is available on cd anywhere? Vic D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 01:58:23 +0100 From: Alex Brugger Subject: Fripp & The Orb I don't know about UFORB and Orbus Terrarum, but some time ago I noticed that Robert is mentioned in the booklet of the "Orb Live" double CD (whatsitsname?). apart from that I distinctly remember a friend telling me that Fripp _did_ work with The Orb, unfortunately I don't know any details as for when and what exactly... sincerely, Alex ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ____________________ Alex Brugger ____________________ alex dot brugger at physik dot uni-erlangen dot de http://www.physik.uni-erlangen.de/hi/ab/ab1.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: David Kirkdorffer Subject: Dancing with Doctor D. Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:07:23 -0400 I haven't listened to the song in years, but wasn't there a song by the Rolling Stones on Goat's Head Soup from 1973 called "Dancing with Doctor D" ?? If so that puts the KC and RS Dr. D songs to about the same year time. Makes me want to find the RS song again. Michael P. Dawson illuminated: > In asking Fripp about the song, I used its alternate title of "Doctor > D." Fripp replied: "Its original > title was a little longer, because it referred to a doctor, a specific > man > living in London that earned a living prescribing drugs to musicians. > We > were informed that we ran the risk of libel. We were instructed to > change > the title." As the song makes no overt references to illicit > activities (and > any symbolic allusions to drugs are extremely vague), it's hard to see > exactly where the grounds for a libel suit would lie. Dancing so good. David Kirkdorffer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 97 13:24:33 UT From: "William Hearne" Subject: Re-Remasters - make them worth the money! I have all the Definitive Edition discs, and like a lot of folks, I will be hard pressed to splurge for re-remasters unless something more is offered than improvements in sound quality which are virtually imperceptible to the untrained ear. "Original artwork" and other such tripe will not tempt me. Not that I expect mundane hype from Fripp et al., but I strongly urge the powers that be to include informative, lengthy liner notes about these albums, to include such things as backgrounds of the compositions, contributions to arrangements, recording techniques and difficulties, equipment, etc. In short, give us Definitive Edition hype for the re-remasters! ------------------------------ From: Subject: _kursu_Guitar_Craft_w_Polsce_/_Possibili?= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:18:39 +0100 To all good people in ET - site: Please include this mail in Elephant Talk Digest. You're doing a fine piece of work with ET! Keep warm.= THANX! ENGLISH I have continues contact with Paul Richards (California Guitar Trio). We are considerning to organize small course / invitation to New Standard Tuning in Poland. Please, do not hesitate in contacting me at below address: Contact in English or Polish language. ADDRESS: PHONE: e-mail: mkopczak at usa dot net ++48134635296 snail mail (if You must...) (Michal) UL. KONARSKIEGO 65 38-500 SANOK / KROSNO POLAND=20 ------------------------------ From: "Scott Bickel" Subject: Catherine Wheel does Fripp Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:36:09 -0500 Jessandtom at aol dot com wrote: Organization: Barbosa & Garcia Subject: USA version of Easy Money One of the best performances by King Crimson is the version of Easy Money found on USA. The instrumental is incredibly poignant and still moves me, even though I've been listening to it for over 20 years. Robert Fripp's guitar solo in this version is easily my favorite King Crimson moment. In my opinion, (along with the first Kitchen performance in February 1978 -- which I attended), this is the best work Fripp has ever done. Unfortunately, on USA the piece fades out right in the middle of the instrumental. I have long hoped that the full version would some day come out if USA is ever rereleased. I was therefore surprised to read that all of USA actually is available between The Great Deceiver and Frame By Frame. Actually, this turns out not to be true. None of the versions of Easy Money on GD is the same as the USA version. While most of USA may have been recorded at Providence (6/30/74), the Providence Easy Money is clearly not the USA version. (The same holds true for the Providence Exiles and Schizoid Man) Nor is the Penn State Easy Money (6/29/74) or the others on GD the same performance as the USA Easy Money. The Penn State version is interesting--it is very similar (maybe DGM thought this was the USA version), and the guitar solo contains many similarities to the USA performance. Unlike most Easy Money recordings I have heard, the Penn State ends after the instrumental. My guess is that the USA Easy Money was recorded at Asbury Park on 6/28/74. This would make sense since Asbury Park was the day before Penn State. Asbury Park on USA obviously was recorded at the Asbury Park concert. Also, Fripp was in fine form that night, as evidenced not only by the recording of Asbury Park from USA, but by his playing on the Schizoid Man on the Schizoid Man CD single, which also was recorded at that show. If anyone knows the origin of the USA Easy Money, please let me know. Also, if anyone knows where I can find the full version, please let me know. (I saw a list years ago that included a poor recording of Asbury Park, so some one may have a recording). Finally, I'd like to encourage DGM to include the fully restored version of Easy Money from USA on USA II if it is ever released, as DGM sometimes promises. --Rajeev c/o: gmedina3 at flash dot net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 16:57:44 -0700 From: Christopher Jepson Subject: Moderation/New Age Two replies to posts in #421: 1. To Eb, concerning moderation. Thank you for the thoughtful response. If ET moderation is indeed subject to the bias you describe (i.e., threads cut off early *because* they contain material running counter to prevailing opinion), then I can understand why you are displeased. [ There is no "prevailing opinion" on ET, as far as I am aware. I cut threads when, IMHO, they get boring. That's all. Life's too short, etc. Remember, ET is a *moderated* list. Read it at your peril. :-) -- Toby ] 2. Roger Espel Llima said he has yet to see any connection between KC and new age. If new age is broadly defined (and if we are referring to new age philosophy rather than music), I can see a clear connection. Let's face it, our Mr Fripp might be considered a wee bit eccentric ... don't get me wrong, that's part of what I like about him. And while his views might not be strictly "new age" in the stereotypical sense, I get the impression that they extend into regions sufficiently removed from the mainstream that new-agers would find them pretty simpatico. Actually, this is a topic I would really like to hear more feedback on. Just what do KC fans really think of Fripp's "eccentric" views? As I indicated, I like the fact that Fripp is eccentric; if he were not, he wouldn't be Fripp (or at least not "that" Fripp), and almost certainly would not be capable of that music. I feel that I enjoy his music more because of what I know about his views. But I would assume that hard-headed, both-feet-on-the-ground realists would be rather embarrassed by his oddities. But then maybe very few KC fans are hard-headed realists. How about it, folks? 'Fess up. Of course, some people will say, "I don't give a damn about his views. Just listen to the music, you <>". Maybe Fripp is among them. All I can say is, my idea of the nature of the musician-audient relationship (in this case, at least) goes beyond that. -- Chris Jepson ------------------------------ From: GRANTCO at webtv dot net (Grant Colburn) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:11:19 -0500 Subject: Is 6 too many? and Are We Being Improv'd to Death? I thought rather than comment on other postings as I have in the past I'd throw a new line of debate into the ring. As always these opinions are personal so no need to tell me how wrong I am but it may make for some good ET discussion. In my own opinion after the release of Thrakkattakk the last thing I want to hear is that Projeckt One is doing a whole night devoted to improv. While I agree that any progress toward new Crimson music is good news I'd rather hear of some new compositions being worked on. In a way partially agreeing with Fripp's live is best discussions I have to say that yes, live improv in a Crimson show is important and makes the show one sees seem special and unique, but I fear an all new Projeckt One live C.D. brewing. (of course you know full well I'd buy it too!) I really want to hear NEW WRITTEN MUSIC. This leads to part 2 of my subject. If it's so difficult to get all 6 members of King Crimson in the same room why is it so important to have 6 people? In some ways I wish the members of King Crimson WERE the 4 in Projeckt One. In fact I'd buy King Crimson being only Fripp, Bruford and Levin for that matter, all instrumental, all Fripp solos. I'd rather have my favorite members play more to fill space than to have more people with each filling less space, especially Fripp who often seems to give his space to everyone else. So, there ya go, a new thread to spin for awhile. I look forward to see what it knits. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 23:15:53 -0400 From: Chad Ossman Subject: Brief take on new Remasters Just a quick opinion on the impending issue of the new remasters: I can understand (if not participate in) the ardent enthusiast's compulsion to purchase the upcoming set of new remasters. I can also understand the corresponding sense of enthusiasm having been abused in the name of mo' moolah. But my understanding of Fripp's intent with these intermittent remasters is mainly to keep the best possible representations of his work *available.* Not necessarily to gouge existing fan's wallets to buy his catalogue twice or even three times, but to ensure that he has his best foot forward at all times in the marketplace. This is as much for new fans as it is for the audiophiles among us. Fripp does not act alone. He is not the only one who gets royalties. He has taken on a role of responsibility not only for himself, but for the many musicians who have recorded with King Crimson, whom would all, I'm sure, also want to keep their work in print in the best condition possible. (think about the possibilities - a FOURTH Exposure, for instance!) __________ Chad Ossman co61 at columbia dot edu Michael Brook page: http://www.columbia.edu/~co61/brook.html ------------------------------ From: krastike at pssch dot ps dot ge dot com Subject: Robert Fripp, Robin Trower, Bends, And Wobbles Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:37:32 -0400 For those interested in Robert Fripp - Robin Trower connections, the following excerpt from an interview with Robert Fripp by Peter Mengaziol, which appeared in the January 1981 issue of Guitar World magazine, may be helpful. GW: You once called your teaching system "Guitar Mechanics." Could you describe any of them? RF: Sure. There are two exercises which if someone were to care to practice with them would enable someone to do in three years what it would take someone else seven! GW: What are they? RF: I can't give them AWAY! Well, I can't GIVE them away. I show them to people and they don't believe. The exercises are so laughable! I showed them to Robin Trower and he said it revolutionized his playing, that these two exercises, one in particular, completely changed his playing. GW: How did all this come about, Trower coming to you for lessons? You two are so dissimilar in approach. RF: You see I went to Robin for lessons on bends and wobbles and he gave me a lesson in exchange. It's helped me enormously. GW: In what way? RF: Well, you see, what I used to do if I wanted a minor third would be to use my little finger. And sometimes, it would lift the nail from the finger and I would bleed and it would be quite painful. What never occurred to me which Robin showed me was to put another or even two or sometimes three fingers ON to push up WITH the little finger. He said, "You can't bend a minor third with your little finger!" And I did it! Then he said, "Well, all right then, it's easier with the others." And it was! So now I do it like that. And he showed me one or two ways of altering and getting vibrato. He's a master of that art. Remarkable player. Best wishes, Kenneth Krastins ------------------------------ From: "Douglas Robillard" Subject: Thrak Attacks Class! Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 11:46:45 PDT For pedagogical reasons, I played King Crimson to my college writing class this afternoon. Since we're studying descriptive writing at the moment, I decided to play some music and have the students respond to it with brief, descriptive paragraphs. I thought that KC's music would be sufficiently unfamiliar so that it would not evoke preconditioned responses (e.g., "I hate Madonna" or "Love that Brooks & Dunn!"). I figured that I should use instrumental music in order to avoid associations created by lyrics. So I selected the version of "Thrak" from ThrakAttack. Believe me, when the opening ethereal instrumental voices gave way to earnest thrakking, the students jumped in their seats! It's a response I know well, from my long familiarity with the band. At the end of the track, the class wrote short paragraphs describing their impressions of the music and the emotional responses it evoked in them. Out of twenty-one students, ten likened the sounds to a train or subway, with whistles, clanging bells, and hooting horns. One student wrote that the "heavy metal part" reminded her of "noisy uptown Chicago." Another half-dozen of her classmates likened the music to a horror movie soundtrack. Other students heard sounds suggesting war, aggression, and fighting. One man likened the sounds he heard to "gunfire during a drive-by shooting . . . and a confrontation between two gangs." One woman heard the "screech of brakes" followed by a crash. What emotions did "Thrak" stir in the class? Student after student mentioned panic, fear, anger, terror. In short, there was remarkable consistency in their descriptions. In all, judging from the class discussion that ensued after "Thrak" and now examining students' written responses, I'd say it was a useful exercise. It exposed the students to an unfamiliar stimulus and required them to describe it in writing. KC worked well. Best, Doug ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:30:37 -0500 (CDT) From: flaherty michael w Subject: Fripp's sense of humor As the author of the original "Are you ready to rock!" post, I would like to clarify my intention: I did not mean that Fripp does not nor should not have a sense of humor. I attended a King Crimson performance at a club in Mpls. in the mid-eighties in which Fripp showed his sense of humor in several ways including: A "noise guitar" battle with Belew (humorous in itself): at its conclusion an audience member yelled "Fripp won!" Belew looked downcast and siged, "Fripp five, Belew three." Fripp's response: (would you believe?) laughter! During Fripp's frippertronic solo (always a highlight for me) an audience member began hooting and hollaring (for lack of a better description). Fripp paused, looked in the idiot's direction, tapped his head and winked. The result: silence from the idiot and laughter from the rest of us. My posting refered to cliched rock antics performed without irony or humor: something I am thankful to Mr. Fripp (who reportedly began the recent playback by asking the audience if they were "ready to rock": the man's sense of humor continues into the 90s) for avoiding in his performances. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 00:23:07 +0200 From: AA Subject: Fripp video Hi, Do you know where I can find a copy of this 91' video of Robert Fripp teaching (propably) the Guitar Craft? If you think that this is impossible,do you know any person who has it so I can buy (maybe) a copy? Sincerely, A.A. emel at hol dot gr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:03:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Rshift at aol dot com Subject: Frippertronics Greetings, HELLO, please anyone who knows anything or everything about frippertronics please write me back. I.E. what Mr. Fripp uses equipment-wise, the setup and his theory on sounscapes!!! I need INFO!! thanks you people are great!! Thanks again, Patrick ------------------------------ From: "dumela" Subject: FW: Fripp makes metalheads squirm Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:45:54 -0400 FWDed gig review from Vancouver: The venue: A plaza roffed and partially enlosed by glass large standing area in fromt of stage afew benches behind. The event: I arrived about 4:30 - the plaza is surrounded by a fence - so you can't see the stage. Gates open at six with frip playing. A knot, of presumably Fripp fans, stands close to the stage. I'm about 3 rows back. Fripp does his Frippertroncis thing - play a couple note, twiddle a few nobs, turn occasionally to press a peddle, play a few more notes, never look at the audience or change facial expressions, occasionally stand and walk over to the side of the stage and let the music play by itself. After about 45 mins. of this the aging metalheads (the ticket was likely too expensive for most young metalheads) who have filled the plaza are starting to lose it. Groans, cries of "fuck", "fuck you", "fuck me", "stop", and "do something" emanate from behind me. Luckily many of the people near the front got there early to see Fripp, and knew what to expect, or were a least awed by his rep. After an hour and 15 minutes or so Fripp stops stands at the side of the stage. I shout "more". He leaves. I wade through the now large crowd, decide not to stay for the great guitar wank and go home. Toward the end I thought a saw bemusement in Fripp's eyes and a barely supressed smirk. I may have imagined this ( I am a Fripp fan and it was expected he would play right up to moment the next band started - which he didn't, so he may have been pissed-off), but to me me it was a sort of a zen-punk fuck you performance. Not pearls before swine, but more like playing "Holiday in Cambodia" as the warm-up act for a Luciano Pavoratti (i don't know how to spell his name) gig, and being completely polite and serious about it. I thought it was hilarious. As i walk to the bus stop I here "Hey, Vancouver are you ready to rock" or some similar cliche behind me. The sound: Was seriously marred by static from the stage left speaker, along with three resounding pops. Like when you blow out the speaker on your stereo. Lots of long sustained notes. A big guy in a hat came out and jammed a bit - psychedelic metal solo, too many notes for the context, I suspect this is what might always do when asked to jam. Overall i think the frippertronics thing is an interesting and listenable response to musical technology. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:46:02 -0500 From: Paul Hubers Subject: Fripp It never fails,I do a bowl and Fripp takes me to a place I love. Thank you Mr. Fripp,you have no peers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:20:16 -0800 From: rtc at sirius dot com (Robert Cambra) Subject: These Guys Crack Me Up Melody Maker requested that Eno keep a diary for them for a week and the results of this request were published in their 29 January 1977 edition. This bit from the Monday entry may be of interest to ET readers: I receive a letter from Fripp, a reply to the one I wrote to him suggesting that we get together again soon. He says, "I am prepared to work with you only if you buy from me a brand-new dildo..." He goes on to describe its sophistication and versatility and requests that I send him =A328 immediately "before your career suffers further by delay." He signs himself Meanie Mouth. ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #425 ********************************