Errors-To: et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Reply-To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #389 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 389 Monday, 23 June 1997 Today's Topics: USA Re: Mellotron Unplugged, ET T-shirts, Providence ET Web ideas Gentle Giant Web Site Cale, Fripp, Eno, Kinky Friedman Re: Crimson Unplugged Epitaph G3 Review, mostly... collaborations Gentle Giant mailing list Women's Opinion of King Crimson P.F.M. Bungelow Bill Riff _ THRAK tour video bootleg Re: Elephant Talk Digest #388 Those Amazing Guitars G3 SPOILERS - I swear I didn't make this up Hi ETers !!! Unplugged Plus Sylvian British? Soundscapes Alert G3 and stuff: Tone, Music, Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx & Epitaph ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ to ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: et-help at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk ETWEB: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ (partial mirror at http://members.aol.com/etmirror/) You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig-bin/newslet.pl THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- ********************************************************************** TOP TIP: Send your posts *only* to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk. Posts sent to any other address will never make it to ET! ********************************************************************** From: Richard Begley Subject: USA Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:38:13 -0400 While the album "USA" is not availabel as such, most of it was taken from the show in Providence in '74. That entire show is included in "The Great Deceiver" box, so if you have that, you have most of "USA". (If you don't have it, why not?) I believe one song on "USA" is from another show, but I don't know which one. Richard Begley ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 12:55:36 -0400 From: Jeffrey McClelland Subject: Re: Mellotron > >I have just been informed that "Dinosaur" (on "Thrak") uses a > mellotron, > >but that does not seem to be the case. I think it sounds more like a > > The liner notes on "Thrak" credit Fripp playing mellotron. > > Live Belew controls a synth or sampler from his Strat. Clearly, the sound on the _Thrak_ version of "Dinosaur" is not a mellotron, but Belew's guitar synth. You can hear this trademark sound all over Adrian's _Op Zop Too Wah_ and _The Guitar As Orchestra_. To hear the mellotron, listen to the soft parts before "VROOOM" and "VROOOM VROOOM". Hope that this helps... - Jeff http://www-vms.oit.umass.edu/~jerfo ------------------------------ From: "Daniel Kirkdorffer" Organization: SRDS Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:22:29 CST Subject: Unplugged, ET T-shirts, Providence Various thoughts: >James (et 387) suggested that an unplugged show would be the "test" >of the band and show whether "they can perform without all the >technical tweakings which help to distract from the actual music". I can see how this might apply to bands like Kiss, but certainly we all agree that virtuosity is not lacking with any incarnation of KC. However, although it has also been pointed out that many KC tunes require non-acoustic instruments/gear, certainly it would be nice to hear the occasional "Peace - A Theme". David Lynch wondered: >And _is_ there a such thing as an acoustic Warr Guitar? Umm... one that isn't plugged in? Simon said: > have been trying for a few days now to find the right adress for the >ET T-shirts. Mr. Computer told me I would be connected to a new >address automaticly but he was telling porkie pies. Also, does >anyone know where I can get other KC shirts from as I grow more and >more jealous when I see other bods wearing them. Send email to: et-info at jerseyvirtual dot net for info about ET T-shirts. This is an emailbot, so no need to be verbose in your email. As for KC/Fripp related T-shirts, go to the Possible Productions site for a list (at http://rockslide.com/possible/shirts2.htm). These are between $12 - $17, and can be ordered from PossProd at aol dot com. They are all very nice and very good quality. Chris Jepson remembered: >I saw the '69-'74 KC once -- at their penultimate show in Providence >that yielded "Providence" and much of _USA_. I recall Fripp (at >least I think it was him) introducing one piece as "a journey >through seven states of altered consciousness" or words to that >effect. Of course, the audience hooted, thinking he was referring >to drugs, but I suppose he was thinking of something else. Have you got The Great Deceiver box set? This includes the entire Providence gig, and Fripp's introduction to "Improv - A Voyage To The Centre of the Cosmos". BTW, my apologies for not updating ET Web more regularly lately. Blame it on the warmer weather and general busyness. Look for various updates (perhaps by the time you read this), including gigs pages for any G3/Fripp reviews that come in (and previous Fripp Soundscapes stuff). Cheers! Dan ET Web --- Daniel Kirkdorffer Internet Consultant, Zeal Inc. dkirk at srds dot com http://www.zealinc.com/ DanKirkd at aol dot com http://members.aol.com/dankirkd/ **Visual Cafe Tips: http://members.aol.com/dankirkd/vcafe.htm ------------------------------ From: "Daniel Kirkdorffer" Organization: SRDS Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:32:11 CST Subject: ET Web ideas ETers, Since I'm in a writing mode right now, I thought I'd throw out an idea to get some feedback. As many of you have probably noticed ET Web UK, where most of the good stuff resides has been very difficult to access of late. Unfortunately this has been the case for a long time. Now I haven't discussed this with Toby, but I was wondering if it wasn't about time we got our own domain name and put the site somewhere more accessible at all times. There are advantages to this and disadvantages, one of which is what we do for free would now cost money, so who would pay for this? I'd like to get some feedback about how to pay for this (domain name, ISP service, phone charges - webmastering services will still come for free! :^), possible suggested reliable ISPs, and other thoughts. Send the email to me directly at DanKirkd at aol dot com. Thanks for your time, Dan ET Web --- Daniel Kirkdorffer Internet Consultant, Zeal Inc. dkirk at srds dot com http://www.zealinc.com/ DanKirkd at aol dot com http://members.aol.com/dankirkd/ **Visual Cafe Tips: http://members.aol.com/dankirkd/vcafe.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 19:46:18 UT From: "William Hearne" Subject: Gentle Giant Web Site There is a wonderful Gentle Giant web site at http://www.cs.umass.edu/~barrett/gentlegiant.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:57:11 -0400 From: "Gordon Emory Anderson" Subject: Cale, Fripp, Eno, Kinky Friedman Nick P wrote: >Any possible way we could see a collaboration with Mssrs. Fripp and >Belew with the Legendary John Cale? I read that Brian Eno thought of Cale >as very difficult person to work with but I know certainly that a >collaboration with John Cale, Fripp, and Belew would yield some incredible >results. Got an interesting story for you, of tangential interest to ET readers. Now back in 1982 or so, a friend of mine was living in a scuzy basement apartment in the West Village (NYC, if you don't know). Both he and I were of course heavily influenced by Fripp, Eno, Bowie, and the Factory Records Zoo (ACR, Section 25, Durutti Column....). We use to jam periodically, sometimes under multiple influences if you know what i mean (hey, I was in college.....where the hell is Gideon Banner when you need him!!). One thing we liked to do was called "Metallic Fluids", sort of a higher-energy ambient, vaguely Fripp-like sound that sometimes used the bathroom for acoustics. Living above my friend was poor bastard Kinky Friedman, with whom John Cale was friends. One day, while doing some serious metallic fluids, Cale knocks on the door, (under heavier influences than I've ever experienced!). He tells us in his Welsh accent "That's the mowst amazing thing I've evah heard.....", and we invite him in. Well, we ending up playing a gig with him, which was quite interesting. The other members of the band (which still exists--its called Doppler Effect) found Cale very difficult, but i didn't really. (Cale is a trained classical musician, so I think he tends to assume a leadership role that most rock musicians are not prepared for.) I remember Cale being excited about Glen Branca at the time, and saying that Eno's music had lost its power because Eno didn't perform. But I think there's no doubt that Cale could create some interesting things with Fripp and belew, but I think only Belew could relinquish enough emotional control over the music process to be involved with Cale. Rumor has it that for similar reasons the Velvet Underground never made it to the US after their European tour (although I caught them at NYU before they toured). -Emory ------------------------------ From: David LaVallee Subject: Re: Crimson Unplugged Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:22:23 -0700 In '87 (or 88) I saw Adrian Belew and the Bears at The Catalyst in Santa Cruz CA. The guitar effects stack was cutting in and out, so much so that the techs had to take the effects off-line for quick repairs. The band launched into the country standard: "I've got a tiger by the tail". At the conclusion of the song Adirian announced that it was the only song he knew how to do without effects. At the end of the show he did "Purple Haze" (plugged) as an encore. To the extent that the CGT is unplugged (and most of the nominally unplugged MTV drek) I believe KC could do a great acoustic release, but I'm just as glad if they keep to their "traditional" instruments. It'd be tough to make (or play) an acoustic WARR guitar or Stick. ------------------------------ From: "Workman, Brian (AZ76)" Subject: Epitaph Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:15:00 -0400 I finally got my copy of Epitaph. I made two phone calls to local stores of two major chains. I can summarize my search as a short joke: Q: What's the difference between Tower Records and The Wherehouse? A: Wherehouse: "I'm sorry sir, I don't have a release date for that yet." Tower: "We have six in stock." 'nuff said. Brian Workman bworkman at aol dot com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 16:34:14 EDT From: Mike Stack Subject: G3 Review, mostly... Hi there. Last night was the G3 show in Hartford, so myself and two of my friends headed over to check out RF, basically. Showed up around 6pm or so, were checking out the merchandise when we heard RF starting up. Headed in, checked out the show. He played from 6-7:20 or so, sat off to my left (we were pretty much dead center). Lots of interesting stuff, seemed to be a lot more chordal strumming than on the albums he's put out. At one point towards the end of RF's set, some idiot started screaming and yelling and banging the chair in front of him. Fripp got louder. Idiot got louder. Fripp got louder. Fripp also looked somewhat annoyed at this point. A few interesting notes about RF's performance -most the crowd didn't give a damn, including some guy dressed all snazzily in his business suit, who didn't shut up the whole night. -RF occasionally got up, took off his guitar, and walked further to my left to talk to someone else. Don't know who. -RF wore a white shirt untucked and black pants, while switching to a black shirt during the encore (more later...). -No one smoked anything illegal during Fripp's set, something that couldn't be said for the rest. Okay, so RF leaves stage, we had spotted a guy named Greg who plays guitar in an absolutely spectacular space-rock/psychedelic/prog band called Archetectual Metaphor, who we saw a while back. Went to say hi to him, ended up walking out when Kenny Wayne Shepperd came on. Technical blues doesn't do it for me. Also ran into David from Oracular/Cat Food, and my buddy Charlie, both of whom are on here. Steve Vai-- eck. Frank Zappa talks about a thing called musical masturbation a lot. SV epitomized that to me. It was too.. I don't know, flash. He He showed signs of talent, but fell through. Joe Satriani-- boring. I always found Satch to be too technical for me. Though he wasn't nearly as horrible as Stu Hamm's bass solo, which just had me falling asleep, I don't care how many Beatles songs he played. Encore. Satch announces KWS, RF, and Vai. Opener was a tune called "I'm Going Down". Somewhere in the solo breaks, RF got the nod from Satch. Could barely hear his solo. Nothing special. Followed by Zappa's "My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama". Didn't like the vocals, or the soloing. Fripp was not given one. Followed by the Kinks' "You Really Got Me". More really bad vocals, sounded like KWS, Vai and Satch never heard the Kinks verson of the tune either. More true to Van Halen. Fripp was heard once in this one. The second time the riff came, I heard him screaming, then he was shut down. Last song was a blues tune which for some reason said Stevie Ray Vaughan to me, though I couldn't place it. Ego war between Vai and KWS. Fripp took an organ solo practically (sounded like an organ at least, think he's been hanging out with Adrian too much...:). Vai and KWS got progressively louder during the song. All in all, fairly disappointing encore as such things go. Other stuff I wanted to comment on-- -David Sylvian IS British. -KC unplugged. God, I hope not. That's not what the band is about. I would have no doubts in their abilities to do so, but it would limit them a great deal. -69 KC. Never my favorite lineup, I wouldn't really be too excited about a reunion. -John Cale/Robert Fripp. Now THAT I would love to see. JC put on the only show I've seen that may've been as good as the first time I saw KC in '95. But then for me, this leads me to ask, how about Cale/Fripp/Karn? I've wanted to see Cale/Karn as much as Cale/Fripp or Fripp/Karn.. But enough of me.. mike "when your pride is on the floor, i'll make you beg for more" -Shakespear's Sister, 1992 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:55:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Alicia Sepulveda Subject: collaborations Yah, Fripp Cale and Belew could do some fine music together. But far stronger would be the lineup I dreamt about a few months ago - David Byrne, Arto Lindsay and Adrian Belew all playing guitars and alternating vocal duties. No rhythm section. One time I also dreamt about a KC concert where Snoopy the dog (!) was their lead singer. Ooooooh, now that was interesting Pablo BTW- Any Mexico City-area drummers around? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:43:21 -0400 From: "Richard G. Bunker, Jr." Subject: Gentle Giant mailing list Marc, There is a Gentle Giant mailing list (called "on-reflection"), but as one who once subscribed I cannot say that I thought much of it. At the time at least (I unsubscribed) it was full of personal bickering, and not a bit focused on the music. You can find info about the mailing list and more at the official Gentle Giant web page: http://www.cs.umass.edu/~barrett/gentlegiant.html I do like the web page very much. -- Rick Bunker rick at bunker dot com http://www.bunker.com/~rbunker PGP keyID = B6CB9C4D Original keyserver (most keys are on it) is at : http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:59:40 EST From: Les B. Labbauf Subject: Women's Opinion of King Crimson In ET 388 JRHartley queried wether Women like King Crimson; JRH>>Do females like Crimson? My girlfriend sure as hell JRH>>doesn't! JR; I recently met a young women whom I had over for dinner one night. I had on the first Volume of EPITAPH as dinner music. She asked me who was playing and I had mentioned King Crimson. She said that it was cool. I decided that I would lend her my USA tape to check out, warning her that this was unlike the EPITAPH CD (As an aside the young women works in a library and was able to get me a copy of Eric Tamm's book on Robert Fripp/King Crimson). She has since said she liked USA as well. Also during a conversation about the upcoming H.O.R.D.E. tour I mentioned seeing KC at the Hershey, PA show. She mentioned that she was at that as well, and when I asked her if she remembered the very first act, she smiled and said 'yeah, I remember now, I also remember I kind of liked them'. So I guess there are some women who do like KC, and some who do not. "The less you know, the more you believe" Bono, Last Night On Earth. "Windows multitasking barely works without destabilizing the system" John C. Dvo rak, PC Magazine Columnist. Les B. Labbauf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:28:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Arcovitch Subject: P.F.M. Dear e-talk, I'm a first time writter. #383 stirred my memory. Does anyone know anything about P.F.M.? I had the record P.F.M. "Cook" years ago. It was on ELP's Manticore label as I recall. I never knew a darn thing about that band and I'm still interested. Are P.F.M. CD's available? What's Alan Holdsworth or Eddie Jobson doing these days? How about Roger Dean? Can you think of any more "blast from the past" names? Keep up the good work. Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:17:54 -0400 (EDT) From: ChipPalmer at aol dot com Subject: Bungelow Bill Riff _ I posted this revelation on the Beatles board. Seems many folk have laid awake nights thinking about the source of this snippet. Now that this 28 year old mystery has been solved we can return to our lives. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 14:13:13 -0700 From: Simon Beauchemin Subject: THRAK tour video bootleg Hi et-ers, Here is my king crimson live video collection, im thinking about converting some of these to VIV or MPEG files and share 'em over the internet. Still, if you'd like to have the whole concert, better contact me via email. Lark's tongue in aspic--beat club-73 time: 6 minutes video: professional sound: exellent atlantic promo (lark's/easymoney)-73 time: 14 minutes video: poor quality sound: " " " " Live in japan-tokyo 84 time: 82 minutes video: professional sound: exellent Live in Quebec THRAK tour 95 time: 120 minutes (with California GT) video: amateur bootleg good quality sound: surprisingly good If im violating any law by sharing such things, please tell me first :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:53:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Lynch Subject: Re: Elephant Talk Digest #388 > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:56:40 -0400 (EDT) > From: Biffyshrew at aol dot com > Subject: Re: Fripp/Heldon? > > Dave Lynch wrote: > > > a famous Crimson bootleg has its title ripped off from Heldon's > > "Un Reve Sans Consequence Speciale". > > It's the other way around. The Heldon LP (from 1978) took its title from > the Crimso bootleg (which had been around since 1974). This of course begs the further question- what th' heck does the title MEAN? I assume it's French, or some such thing. ------------------------------ From: afn39111%afn dot org at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 16:23:47 -0400 Subject: Those Amazing Guitars Okay, I understand that all those funky noises by Adrian, et all, are made by midi commands sent to synth modules. But how does it get from the string to the midi output. Okay, say Ade hits an A (A is for Ade). How does the synth understand that it is an A? What does it look for? The Church of Perelandra: http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 It will end in Faya. <*> babylon5-request at GateKey dot Com with body:subscribe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 21:44:10 -0400 (EDT) From: AACUNZO at xray3 dot chem dot sunysb dot edu Subject: G3 SPOILERS - I swear I didn't make this up Hello ET, WARNING: This post contains spoilers regarding the G3 shows. Skip it if you don't want to know about the shows yet. With that out of the way, I must start off by thanking Simon Beauchemin for his warning in ET #388 regarding Fripp playing before the scheduled show times on the G3 tour. Because of his post I made sure to get to the Jones Beach show extra early. And BTW, whoever is responsible for this setup made a really stupid decision - although most of the people seeing this tour probably don't know Fripp, some people paid good money because they wanted to see him, and having him go on before the scheduled show time is pretty inconsiderate. They should have just printed the correct time on the tickets. Anyway, the show time was supposedly 7:30. When we were allowed to enter the venue (around 6:45), Fripp was already on stage playing. The place was empty, and we walked right up to the front and got to stay there for most of his set, (which lasted a little over an hour, I think) even though our seats were farther back. It was great hearing soundscapes over a concert PA; you can really feel the vibrations through your seat and your body in the louder passages. I don't want to try to describe what the soundscapes sounded like, but as the place filled up during his set, I was trying to guage people's reactions to Fripp. Although I did hear a few people making fun of him, a lot of people seemed intrigued by these strange sounds - this may have something to do with the number of guitar players in the audience, though - "How the hell is he doing that?" :) Fripp's set was followed by Kenny Wayne Shepard, Steve Vai, and Joe Satriani. Now we get to the fun part. At the end of Satriani's set, the other three guitarists joined him onstage for the encores. It really was quite a sight - at center stage were a 19 year old blues guitarist and two "shredders" (I like some of Vai's and Satriani's stuff, but let's face it - these guys aren't exactly known for their subtlety, especially Vai). And off on stage right was an older Englishman on a stool in a white shirt and black vest. The whole encore was just a surreal experience. The first song they did I guess was called "Goin' Down." Each guy took a solo spot, including Fripp, although I couldn't hear his solo too well. Then came "My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama" and "You Really Got Me." Fripp didn't take any solos in these songs, although he played rhythm throughout all the songs. And then to finish the night off, they played "Red House." Yes, Fripp played a straight 12-bar blues - I never thought I would see that! And on this song, he did take a solo - using a Hammond Organ sound on his guitar! It was just a normal sounding blues organ solo, except I think he went higher than the range of any organ. :) I think he used the organ sound during the whole song, but there was so much sound coming from the stage it was hard to tell! Everyone looked like they were having a blast during the encores - I even saw Fripp smiling several times! When Satriani introduced them all at the end of the show Fripp got a good response from the crowd (although not as loud as the "stars" did.) Satriani and Fripp left the stage with their arms around each other. All in all it was a pretty good night, if only because I got the amazing chance to witness Fripp going from "small, mobile, intelligent unit" to "Wild Thing" Fripp in the span of about five hours. :) Let the games begin, Andy Acunzo aacunzo at ccmail dot sunysb dot edu P.S. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd ever get to see Robert Fripp play "Red House" and "You Really Got Me." P.P.S. I was thankful that at the end of Fripp's set he didn't return to the stage in leather pants and no shirt, as Steve Vai did. ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Gustavo Luis Enriquez" Subject: Hi ETers !!! Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 08:55:34 -0300 Hi Guys ! I would like to contact with others Eters all over the world. Feel free to send me some lines whatever you want. I'll reply soon. Goodbye GUSTAVO ENRIQUEZ E- Mail Address: pcgeonline at houseware dot com dot ar Address: Avellaneda 289 1 - 2 (1602) Florida - Vicente Lspez. Buenos Aires / Argentina ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 09:41:53 -0400 (EDT) From: TomMiles at aol dot com Subject: Unplugged Plus To my fellow Crimson friends, King Crimson (in my opinion) is not an Unplugged Band. 90% of my music collection is Crimson based, meaning The Band itself and the parts. If you desire the sound of Unplugged, I suggest listening to Robert Fripp Non-Frippertonics or Soundscapes such as "The Bridge Between" and just imagine Bruford laying down his magic. I am going to G3 at the Riveria in Chicago on 6/29/97 and will pass my thoughts. My best friend is going with me and states that the expression on my face will be "worth the price of admission". Lastly, check out "Lizard" - This album set the tone for all my music listening from 1970 onward - Best Regards, TomMiles at AOL dot com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 20:24:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Zero the Hero Subject: Sylvian British? Howdy, Dr. Ted is correct in #388: David Sylvian is, in fact, British. Jason (NP: Philip Glass - Akhnaten) ----- jeller at unf dot edu Computing Services, University of North Florida Listen to DREAMS WIDE AWAKE http://www.unf.edu/~jeller/dreams.html Saturday nights from 8 to 12-ish Hosted by Jason Ellerbee Airing from the University of North Florida worldwide via the Internet at http://www.unf.edu/groups/wosp/stream.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 97 01:55:55 UT From: "Rich Mlinar" Subject: Soundscapes Alert Last night I went to the G3 concert at the PNC Bank Arts Center, in Holmdel, NJ, featuring special guest Robert Fripp performing Soundscapes as the opening act. The Arts Center is an indoor/outdoor amphitheater, a nice setting to hear music. Jim Pariot and I bought lawn tickets (only $20) two days before the concert, after checking the weather forecast. For once the forecast was right, no rain, but temperatures in the mid-90s. We arrived early, so we wouldn't miss the Soundscapes. As we were entering the grounds with our lawn chairs, an arts center employee told us that tickets to the concert had not sold well, and those with lawn tickets would be allowed to sit inside the amphitheater ($38 seats). After stashing our chairs in Jim's truck, we entered the amphitheater at about 6:55 p.m. The concert was announced as starting at 7:30, but there was Robert onstage much earlier than expected. The guy seated next to us, who was familiar with Fripp and Crimson, said that Fripp had taken the stage at around 6:45. Anyone planning on catching the G3 tour should arrive at least 45 - 60 minutes earlier than the scheduled start time if they want to hear all of the Soundscapes. I have the Fripp and Eno albums, and the Radiophonics album, but wouldn't say that Robert's performance sounded like any of them. The pieces performed were quite long, building in intensity and volume throughout the performance. At times, Robert got up from his stool and moved about the stage to listen to the sounds that he created. At the close of the performance, Fripp gathered his things together and left the stage as the music played on. The audience gave him an appreciative round of applause. The G3 portion of the show was quite different. Kenny Wayne Sheppard put on a lively performance. He plays a good blues guitar, but I thought that he sounded best in his closing song, "Voodoo Child," when he performed as part of a power trio, without vocalist, rhythym guitar, and keyboards, which seemed to muddy the mix. If you see the show at an outdoor setting, the Steve Vai portion of the show would be a good time to find the furthest spot you can away from the stage. He played loud and fast, but his songs, band, and performance were more noise than music. Joe Satriani was by far the best of the G3 players. He put on a powerful performance, backed by the best drummer and bass guitarist of the evening. He played in a very fluid and powerful style. Though loud, his sound was very clean, and he had the audience on their feet on many occasions. The grand finale brought the G3 guitarists, plus Robert Fripp, together with Satriani's band. All four guitarists traded leads during a version of "I'm Goin' Down." Fripp played more of a supportive role during the next two songs, "My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Momma," and "You Really Got Me." The final number, a great rendition of "Red House," saw Fripp play a lead which sounded like a keyboard. Several people in the audience were trying to find the keyboard player. It was quite a night of music, well worth the trip. If we had a dollar for every note we heard last night, we'd be able to retire! ------------------------------ From: David Kirkdorffer Subject: G3 and stuff: Tone, Music, Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx & Epitaph Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 01:11:40 -0400 G3 -- If you're planning to see Fripp at the G3 tour this summer -- GO EARLY!! To underline the point, here in Boston the time printed on tickets for tonight's show was 7:00 -- however Mr. F was on and scaping at 5:15 when I arrived and scaped till 7:15 or so. I also suggest staying for the whole show, so as not to miss anything...um...interesting... Tone -- I side with those that believe Fripp's guitar tone was more "something" when he played through a real amp with real speakers instead of his current rack-mounted amp simulators. And, with all those similarly processed strings in the same basic tonal range in KC today, it's just that much harder for anyone to sound as large (except Tony's bass). However, I suspect Fripp's soundscapes would suffer if played through that old Hiwatt setup. Indeed given his highly active live soundscape performance schedule of late, I wonder if his set-up is primarily oriented toward producing soundscape musics..? King Crimson Music -- Someone was asking if there have been any King Crimson music books put out over the years.... Well. I dug up a book I must have bought in France in 1978 or so called: Space Rock -- it features the likes of King Crimson, Black Sabbath, T Rex, ELP, Bowie and Pink Floyd among others. Space Rock Screen Gems Copyright 1973 -- Columbia Publications a division of Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc. 6744 NE 4th Avenue, Miami FL 33138 The featured KC songs are Epitaph and The Court Of the Crimson King. These songs site TRO - Total Music Inc. NY as having all publication right for the USA and Canada. Prog vs. Punk I know, I know this is a very dead horse of a subject, but as we're all Frippsters here and as no-one else mentioned it -- the League of Gentlemen LIVE Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx strikes me as close a tribute to punk as prog has been. If you like the 74 era Fripp guitar mixed with some of those 80's pickin' stylings, this is THE disk to own. Truely juicey and desparate Fripp solos over a stripped down and jumpy rythme section. Primo! Epitaph Box Set. Listening to the first KC studio recordings, you'd never know what a meaty and vibrant sound this 69 band had live. Quite a surprizing way to be introduced to the band most of us never heard live in 1969. Some very ahead of it's time squonking going on. And lots to read about in the booklet too. A very nice package. Back to lurking for the next six months... David Kirkdorffer ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #389 ********************************