Errors-To: et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Reply-To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #388 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 388 Thursday, 19 June 1997 Today's Topics: G3 tour: early Fripp definitive editions Early singles, USA and Earthbound Crimson Unplugged Crimson Unplugged Dinosaur Tab Fripp/Byrne & the 1969 Crimso Tony Geballe / Native of the Rain This, that and beer. Re: Fripp/Heldon? Lake's Voice is TERRIBLE re: drugs and epitaph Frippery for sale from Milwaukee Gentle Giant Info Philly CGT/TG Attendance Mellotron, Forienger, Acoustic Crimson G3 date in Vancouver Canada Fripp, McLaughlin & Miles FOR SALE: fripp bruford sylvian Re: Horrid Audience (ET #387) Bungalow Bill intro Fripp and Eno Tribute Drugs the one soundscape cd to buy collaboration ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ to ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: et-help at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk ETWEB: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ (partial mirror at http://members.aol.com/etmirror/) You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig-bin/newslet.pl THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:14:40 -0700 From: Simon Beauchemin Subject: G3 tour: early Fripp Hi et-ers, To any of you who plan to attempt the G3 tour, make sure to be at the concert hall about an hour before the show. I am a very big fan of Fripp's soundscapes and I knew Fripp was opening for the Satriani/Vai show. I found myself running trough the city (quebec) to get in time for the concert. The concert was at 7:30, I was about 15 minutes late.. As I entered the hall, I heard some rock music that sounded like everything but Robert's music. It was Steve Vai, I asked a guy there and he told me Fripp has been playing intermitently for about an hour. Fripp was all i really wanted to hear, and it seems like most peoples didnt enjoyed it. (paper critics) I sat there watching Vai and almost fell asleep of boredoom. I hope you'll be luckier than me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:28:51 +0000 From: Postoffice Subject: definitive editions Hello,... Leon V. would like to know if there are, or are coming definitive editions of 1. The wake of posseidon 2. Starless and Bible black 3. Red ? Like there are of a. The Court... b. Larks tongues....! Already thanks for answering. Leon. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:14:47 -0400 (EDT) From: whitmd at email dot uc dot edu (Mark D. White) Subject: Early singles, USA and Earthbound >Mark Jordan wonders "is USA available on CD?" Not officially. But it >might be worth checking out Japanese releases; Japan released the only CD >version of THE YOUNG PERSON'S GUIDE - notable for the early demo of "I Talk >to the Wind," "Groon," and the single-version of "Cat Food" (the A-side of >"Groon"), all unavailable elsewhere on CD. Isn't the single version of "Cat Food" on the "Frame by Frame" box set, along with "Groon"? I don't think I've seen the demo of "I Talk to the Wind," however. For what it's worth, I have bootleg (or pirate) versions of USA and Earthbound on CD, with (as far as I can tell) the original cover art replicated. I for one would certainly appreciate their official release on CD, especially with updated sound. Mark D. White Cincinnati, OH ------------------------------ From: Alex Moseley Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:19:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: Crimson Unplugged James (et 387) suggested that an unplugged show would be the "test" of the band and show whether "they can perform without all the technical tweakings which help to distract from the actual music". While I certainly agree in the case of most other rock bands, surely KC is a big exception here: the 'sound' of King Crimson has always been very much rooted in the way the members utilise the effects they have available: can we imagine songs such as "Elephant Talk", "Starless", "Sheltering Sky" (and on and on) 'unplugged'? The magic (for me at least) is in part due to the interesting/moving/shocking/terrifying sounds R. Fripp and A. Belew (mostly) get out of their effects boxes; coupled, of course, with nimble fingers and a dose of imagination. Alex. *----------------------------- Alex Moseley, Computer Officer (Arts & Law), University of Leicester. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:18:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Lynch Subject: Crimson Unplugged On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Elephant Talk wrote: > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 23:09:33 +0100 (BST) > From: dinosaur > Subject: krimson unplugged > > Hi there. > > I think that a krimson unplugged show would really rock. I've often thought > that the test of a good band is whether they can perform without all the > technical tweakings which help to distract from the actual music. > > Anyone out there agree with me? I don't know, would it really differ substantially from a combination of Fripp's Guitar Craft work and Belew's acoustic stuff? And _is_ there a such thing as an acoustic Warr Guitar? ------------------------------ From: Martin van Wijk Subject: Dinosaur Tab Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:28:18 +0200 (MET DST) Goodevening Hippies, To anyone who's interested: I've made a guitar tab transcription of 'Dinosaur' and sent it to Dan Kirkdorffer, so it should be on the ET tab page soon. If you can't wait for that, mail me. Martin ------------------------------ From: Alex Moseley Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:36:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: (none) Ian Moffatt said (et #387): >And please, can we at least spell persons and band names correctly. >Getting back to the point, even if Gullermo was a reaaly crap player, ^^^ No comment! Alex. *----------------------------- Alex Moseley, Computer Officer (Arts & Law), University of Leicester. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:46:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Weissenburger - Jeremy S." Subject: Fripp/Byrne & the 1969 Crimso On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, it was written: > > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:46:50 +0200 > From: Stephen dot Fruitman at idehist dot umu dot se (Stephen Fruitman) > Subject: Fripp&Byrne > > Hello - > > ...coming on over for a visit from the Nerve Net list... > > Got a question: The cut that Fripp did with David Byrne on wonderful, > hilarious vocals (Under Heavy Manners, I believe?), was released on vinyl > 1980 (I believe). In what form does this appear on CD? Is it possibly > available as a CD single? > > Any and all help appreciated. I miss that song! Well, I don't know if _Under Heavy Manners_ was ever released on CD. However, I DO know that Fripp did rerelease the song on _God Save The King_ (be careful, now, it's NOT _God Save The Queen_), which was a compilation of Fripp & the League of Gentlemen. This compliation was released in 1985, and I believe it's on CD (I have it on cassette). As for the debate on the 1969 band reforming: basically, it's up to the guys. If the 5 of them can get together and make good music, I'll buy it. If the album sucked, it wouldn't lessen the impact _ItCotCK_ had on me. However, I suspect that Fripp wouldn't do a reunion album unless he saw the music as being truly Crimson-ish, and not sappy stuff. --Jeremy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:11:56 -0400 From: bullj1 at westat dot com Subject: Tony Geballe / Native of the Rain In response to a couple questions in ET387: The non-Warr guitar player in Trey's band is Tony Geballe. He's just released a CD "Native of the Rain" containing 12-string acoustic instrumentals. Tony's one of the best to come out of Guitar Craft and his songwriting ability is superb. I've been a guitarist for a long time and never wanted a 12-string - until I heard Tony's CD. JoanBull bullj1 at westat dot com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:51:37 -0400 (EDT) From: JRHARTLEY1 at aol dot com Subject: This, that and beer. >From JRHARTLEY1 at aol dot com 'Greenwoods' Maesmaur Road, Tatsfield, Westerham, Kent TN16 2LD. Hello, We have only had a modem connected up for a few days so I am still learning about things, so I hope I have got the right address as I wouldn't mind any comments or replies. Here goes. 1. I have been trying for a few days now to find the right adress for the ET T-shirts. Mr. Computer told me I would be connected to a new address automaticly but he was telling porkie pies. Also, does anyone know where I can get other KC shirts from as I grow more and more jealous when I see other bods wearing them. 2. STOP going on about KC reunion of the 69 outfit. They havn't split up you know. Just be thankfull that the band still excists. Silly arses! 3. I reccomend OK COMPUTER by radiohead, their new album. One of the few young British band making an effort at the moment. A truely beautiful album. 4. Can anyone flog me a Boss DD-5 pedal cheaper then #150. (Don't bother with any #149 jokes). 5. When is the Gates of Paradise box set officialiy released? 6. I,m going to drink lots of ale tonight. Hooray! 7. I will break up from college soon and it is important that I try to get a band together to make some very intresting music. I am 19 years old and play the guitar through a bunch of simple effects into an Vox AC30 and I obviously enjoy the likes of KC, radiohead as well as suede(with Bernard Butler, not arse face Richard Oaks) Pink Floyd and too many other musical intrests to mention right now. If anyone is intrested and can play an instrument at an average or above level then drop me a line. I know KC tends to attracts loads of guitarists so not too many of those, please. Both sexes welcome ( do females like Crimson? My girlfriend sure as hell doesn't!) I hope this proves successful as this is the only place I can think of where I might find any like minded people. Please excuse bad splelling as I havn't worked out where the spell check is as yet. Thanks for reading. Simon of the South. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:56:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Biffyshrew at aol dot com Subject: Re: Fripp/Heldon? Dave Lynch wrote: > a famous Crimson bootleg has its title ripped off from Heldon's > "Un Reve Sans Consequence Speciale". It's the other way around. The Heldon LP (from 1978) took its title from the Crimso bootleg (which had been around since 1974). For those unfamiliar with Heldon, the fact that their second LP contains a track titled "In The Wake Of King Fripp," and another track dedicated to Fripp and Eno, should give a good idea of one of their primary influences. Biffy the Elephant Shrew @}-`--}---- Visit me at http://users.aol.com/biffyshrew/biffy.html ------------------------------ From: "Heilbronner, Michael" Subject: Lake's Voice is TERRIBLE Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:31:00 -0400 I saw ELP last night. Kansas opened for them. Thankfully, the concert was free (put on by a local radio station) because it was an abomination. Here's why it's relevant to ET: Generally, I think the discussion about a reunion of the 69 band is a load of crap. Even if I thought it was a good idea, however, I would have to change my mind after last night. I love ELP, but actually left the concert early because it was so bad -- and I mean embarrassingly bad. The main culprit was Lake. His voice has eroded to a "point of no return." He has no range, no fire, no energy, no nothing -- although he does sound a little like Barney :)) (for you non-Yanks, Barney is a purple dinosaur that sings a bunch of children's songs on "his" television show). The bottom line is that, even if Fripp is considering some type of reunion (and without a direct to-the-point quote from him, I'll reserve my strong doubts), I hope he'd change his mind if he heard Lake's voice. If I had to hear Lake sing 21st Century Schizoid man now, I'd probably cringe so bad that I'd look like the guy on the cover of In the Court of the Crimson King. I'm out !!! (any Van Smack fans out there??) Mike Heilbronner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:09:05 +0200 From: Alex Brugger Organization: Physics Department, University of Erlangen, Germany Subject: re: drugs and epitaph ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ in ET 385 Larry R Nittler wrote: > Does anyone else find it interesting that KC (well at least Fripp and Greg > Lake) smugly make a point in the epitaph liner notes that they don't use > drugs, yet they sing a song with the lyrics, ``Let's all get stoned, higher > and higher"? when pointing out that they don't use drugs maybe they (deliberately?) just left out the word "...anymore"????? :-) (I was wondering about this too, by the way) Alex ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ____________________ Alex Brugger ____________________ alex dot brugger at physik dot uni-erlangen dot de http://www.physik.uni-erlangen.de/hi/ab/ab1.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:05:49 -0500 From: zappa at mail dot execpc dot com Subject: Frippery for sale from Milwaukee Hello ET'ers... I have just moved and have some great stuff for sale; I will cover shipping and any price is negotiable! and I am emailing from MILWAUKEE WI..... LPS RARE!: P-Funk: the brides of Funkenstein: Funk or Walk: $50 out of print MINT Giles Giles and Fripp (King Crimson Precursor) $50.00 MINT!! Max Roach :Survivors $10 a must for every set player;improv with string quintet Buddy Rich the Roar of ;74 (with bass player Tony Levin from Peter Gabriel) $15.00 out of print Jeff Berlin Champion (Monster bass player featuring Neil Peart from Rush and Steve Smith from Journey) $20 King Crimson USA $15.00 out of Print The Young Person's guide to King Crimson 2 lp set (1975) with picture book and history of the band $25.00 Chick Corea (Friends) out of print $15.00 with Steve Gadd:Samba Song Lenny Bruce at carnegie hall 3 lps (RARE!!) $45.00 UK radio special $20 1978 with Jobson and Wetton Frank Zappa: I don't wanna get drafted out of print $10 with Vinnie Coliauta Roy harper: When an old cricketeer leaves the Crease: with JP jones from Led Zepplin and Bruford from Yes: out of print: $20.00 King Crimson Bootleg from 1984 in Quebec $35.00 MINT!! The Last Show in 1984! EXCELLENT Kazumi Watanabe: The Spice ofLife too with Berlin on Bass and Bruford on Drums: $10 Mahavishnu Orchestra with Cobham: Between Nothingness and Eternity (live) Mint: $7 Annette Peacock: X-dreams with Marotta (steely Dan) and Bruford: o.o.p $15 Paiste 1000 china type from Manny's in NY $35.00 great condition! I also have a roland Drum trigger (pd-7) for $50.00 NEW!! And finally a tabla drum set for $300, new, with case, stands and book.... AND..... CDS: Barry Goudreau: ex-Boston Guitarist solo CD with Everyone from Boston But Tom Scholz: RARE and AWESOME Hashian, delp, great rock and roll! $15.00 Tony Williams Lifetime: EMERGENCY! better sound quality than the vinyl I own! $10 Tony Williams: Wilderness: His last recording and a MASTERPIECE! $10.00 Steve Howe: the Steve Howe Album Autographed, $15.00 Killing Joke: Pandemonium and What's THIS for? Both for $15.00 and Vids: Rush, a show of hands ELP Welcome Back! an elp history Genesis: a History ABWH in the big dream: interviews and different versions of tunes o.o.p Kansas: Live at the Whiskey Rush in Concert in Milwaukee Apruil 7, 1994-fanzine shot but still pretty good Buddy Rich live in London 1971, PRO and EXCELLENT!! 50 mins Sting unplugged with Vinnie Coliauta And Frank zappa: the Pumpkin King the 1981 Halloween Concert in NY All replies to Colin at zappa at mail dot execpc dot com I apologise for taking up so much bandwith; but I wanna find a good home for these things!! Thanks! Colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:23:40 -0800 From: Marc Deprey Organization: Illustrious Interactive Subject: Gentle Giant Info Sorry for the non-KC post, but I figured some ETer would know of info on the 70's prog band Gentle Giant. Do they have a e-mag? site? anything? When I search "Gentle Giant" I get a moving company out of Boston. Pls respond direct to marcdep at pacbell dot net Tks! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:06:09 -0400 From: Bayard Brewin Organization: Cognosys Corp. Subject: Philly CGT/TG Attendance ADERKAZARIAN at MBLN1 dot MBLN dot LIB dot MA dot US wrote: > Someone asked if there were ETers present at the Boston/Paradise show > June > 6. Well, I was there and I, too, was very surprised at how small the > attendance was. Enthusiastic, yes, but it couldn't have made Trey and > the > CGT think, "Can't wait to come back here." Quite a different story here in Philadelphia. For a gig that had no special advertising (and the tiny weekly Tin Angel ad misspelled Trey's name twice before getting it right), and no editorial previews in any of the local papers, it must have been pretty surprising to the band(s) and the club for the gig to sell out. Call it the ET effect; we met a couple ETers right at our table! A very good crowd, and a great gig. BTW -- no one has yet observed that Bill Muller played only his tablas and small percussion the entire night, the Tin Angel's stage being too small to accommodate a four-piece *and* a drum set. In fact, for the CGT/TG group encore, the five of them barely fit standing on the stage; I'm rather surprised one of their guitar necks didn't put out somebody's eye. Bayard Brewin ------------------------------ From: "Ott, John" Subject: Mellotron, Forienger, Acoustic Crimson Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:22:05 -0400 >I have just been informed that "Dinosaur" (on "Thrak") uses a mellotron, >but that does not seem to be the case. I think it sounds more like a The liner notes on "Thrak" credit Fripp playing mellotron. Live Belew controls a synth or sampler from his Strat. >the 1969 KC band members (apart from RF) may have been bon vivants, good >old eggs and great party animals, they were not, are not, and never will be >virtuosi (e.g. ELP's "Love Beach," and any Foreigner album). I saw the original Foreigner after their first album came out and they were quite good live. Particularly Ian. (also saw the better Journey (with Greg Rollie and Ansley Dunbar, Steve Perry had just joined, on the same bill as opening act). I saw Foreigner later as a four piece live and they were not as good. (Joe Walsh blew them off the stage) The four piece Foreigner ("Urgent" and other top 40 hits) were not the same as the band with Ian. As for Lake being a non "virtuosi" "Love Beach" is hardly a typical ELP release. Listen to Lake's guitar and bass playing on "Karn Evil 9" from Brain Salad Surgery. Not too shabby IMHO. So I disagree totally with the poster. >I think that a krimson unplugged show would really rock. I've often thought >that the test of a good band is whether they can perform without all the >technical tweakings which help to distract from the actual music. I saw RF, CGT and Los Gauchos Alemanes, at Georgetown University on a Soundscape tour. At the end they all joined up for a acoustic version of Thrak. It was interested but certainly lacked the power of the Crimson version. What would Trey play? There is no acoustic Stick or Warr Guitar that I'm aware of. He'd have to switch to guitar or bass. He's played both in the past, but hardly his choice today. Electronics is a big part of Crimson. The soundscape break in "One Time" is a big part of the charm of that song. It was magical live at the Warner on the Thrak tour. I can't imagine that song without the soundscape section. later John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:25:31 -0700 From: larry at burntsand dot ca (Larry Campbell) Subject: G3 date in Vancouver Canada Hi There I spoke with the concert promoter this morning. The date has been changed from July to September 26. At this time tickets are not yet available. Larry Campbell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:02:25 -0700 (PDT) From: diagonal flying Subject: Fripp, McLaughlin & Miles Some of the comments comparing Crimson and Fripp with McL and Maha have been interesting. It made me look up an old review by Christgau. Paraphrasing his review, of either Red or GD: Fripp glides, where McLaughlin beats his wings I alway thought this was very apropo, no? There may be some validity to the comparision of Fripp to Miles as a band leader, but after 1960, Miles ceased to be the main compositional voice, while Fripp seems firmly at the compositional helm. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:32:09 -0800 From: Stephen Arthur Subject: FOR SALE: fripp bruford sylvian I have the following CDs on the block Sylvian Fripp The First Day Fripp 1999 Soundscapes Argentina Bill Bruford Earthworks Live I would like to move them as a group. Why did I buy them? I don't know. Why I am selling them? I don't know. Not every question has an answer. Reply privately, steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:27:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Arthur Thomas Andrews IV Subject: Re: Horrid Audience (ET #387) > We attended a > Bela Fleck/Dave Matthews show and the audience was horrid. The row of (and > I know I must be getting old but..) young women behind us yelled > continuously and screamed the lyrics to the songs, very badly out of tune > throughout the show, while two people infront of us, obviously enebriated > talked loudly and continuously throughout the performance. We left before > the encore. As we go so so few shows anymore I really get angry when people > ruin the experience. I try to be fairly tolerant and considerative but > this was just beyond reason. Hey ETers. I went to the same concert and I can agree. Some members of the audience even had the disrespect to boo Bela Fleck and the Flecktones, a band that plays an interesting jazz-bluegrass. Anyway, the reason that I write this is that I read in an interview that Dave Matthews cites Robert Fripp as a major influence on his quirky guitar style. I don't see it, but I thought it was interesting. This, and his impressive live performance (much more interesting than his extremely pop sounding albums) gave me a new respect for him. If you are interested in Bela Fleck, check out "Live Art," their new live album that won them a Grammy. Over and out, Arthur Andrews ata5d at virginia dot edu http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~ata5d/art.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:31:28 -0400 (EDT) From: ADERKAZARIAN at MBLN1 dot MBLN dot LIB dot MA dot US Subject: Bungalow Bill intro Just got my Epitaph 4-CD set yesterday and I'm pretty sure that Bungalow Bill classical guitar intro is NOT a mellotron but Fripp himself playing an electric homage to his favorite band, the Beatles. BTW, the set is beautiful and the packaging completely mind-blowing! It's gonna take me a week to read all of the Frippery that's in the thing! Alan DerKazarian Cambridge, MA ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey Weinberger" Subject: Fripp and Eno Tribute Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:52:32 PDT PROGRESS REPORT ON THE FRIPP AND ENO TRIBUTE The "Music for Thanksgiving" web site opens today. The address is: http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/9984 I'm offering all participants the opportunity to have their submission appear on our web site. Anyone with internet access and a sound card will be able to follow our progress as material is developed for the tribute. Our audio director, Ken Mistove, will be converting submission tapes into audio files for the web. Ken is currently using the Real Audio system, but he is investigating other formats which may offer higher fidelity. >>Jeffrey Weinberger *--------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *--------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 16:19:50 -0700 From: Christopher Jepson Subject: Drugs All this talk of the irony of Lake singing "Let's all get stoned" reminds me of [Warning! Nostalgia mode imminent!]... I saw the '69-'74 KC once -- at their penultimate show in Providence that yielded "Providence" and much of _USA_. I recall Fripp (at least I think it was him) introducing one piece as "a journey through seven states of altered consciousness" or words to that effect. Of course, the audience hooted, thinking he was referring to drugs, but I suppose he was thinking of something else. The one thing that sticks in my memory about that show, though, was a silence -- at the end of Larks' Tongues Pt. II where the final coda fades gradually away, instead of breaking into applause, the entire audience sat in silence until the reverberations had died out. -- Chris Jepson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:43:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Dixie Gene Ross Subject: the one soundscape cd to buy Greetings, Robert Fripp's " THAT WHICH PASSES", with out a doubt is the one soundscape CD to buy. Why? Here you have separate soundscapes from two separate times born on separate hemispheres over lapped and tucked ever so slightly to take you on a continuous journey through new worlds. Worlds within worlds, worlds beyond worlds. Here is pureness of heart and singleness of mind from Robert Fripp. Man! I love this CD and I could dig having prints of John Miller's paintings inside. They would look beautiful on the walls in my house. What I find most interresting about the experience of hearing "THAT WHICH PASSES", is at the very end of the last soundscape, when the last note passes, I find myself compelled to follow through into the aftermath in silence. Not until this passes do I wish to play another CD. sincerely, Dick Ross ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:12:38 -0400 From: Nick Paluzzi Subject: collaboration E.T.- Any possible way we could see a collaboration with Mssrs. Fripp and Belew with the Legendary John Cale? I read that Brian Eno thought of Cale as very difficult person to work with but I know certainly that a collaboration with John Cale, Fripp, and Belew would yield some incredible results. I don't know if I could see it, 3 geniuses working together can be pretty volatile especially when you're talking of Fripp and Cale. If you ever get in contact with Fripp, please suggest this to him, I'd love to see it, I'm sure it would be an avant-rock monolith! Thanx! Nick P. , P.S. I was going to post the tab for "Lady of the Dancing Water" and chords for "Happy Family" incse you guys don't have it. ------------------------------ From: Ted White Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:04:05 -0400 Gene Jankowski, among others, thinks "Manhattan" became "Neurotica," but I've relistened to "Neurotica" and it's NOT the "Manhattan" I heard at the Warner Theater in Washington DC on the "Discipline" tour. Despite my misgivings about the album, DISCIPLINE, that concert was (of course) excellent. (I found the three eighties albums teasingly disappointing, but the concerts on the tours were far more satisfying.) In light of the recent topic of KC Unplugged (what would it sound like), I should pass along something Mr. Fripp told us that night at the Warner. After the concert's last encore had ended, most of the musicians came back out on the stage to greet those of us who remained in the audience. Fripp told us that earlier on the tour, in Philadelphia, there had been a power failure that knocked out Tony and Adrian's equipment, leaving Fripp and Bruford to improvise an accoustic set. "It was some of the best we've ever done," was more or less how he put it, with considerable enthusiasm. I wonder if any of that was recorded? George Korein asks, "Sylvian is American, right?" I thought he was British, like the other members of his original group, Japan. Am I wrong? On the subject of mellotrons, I thought I might add a personal note/plug: a bit over ten years ago my group, Barbara & the Bohemians, digitally recorded a piece we called "Crimson Tide," which is built around a mellotron sample, played on a cheap Casio sampler - as close as we could get at the time to the Real Thing. We made hundreds of hours of digital recordings - we were a "rehearsal band," which means we played for ourselves, recording everything - all improvisations. Recently I dug out some of them and listened to them and decided they weren't nearly as bad as I'd remembered them being, and now I'm starting to shop the small progressive labels about doing a CD, which would include "Crimson Tide." If any label-owners are interested, I have an audio-tape rough-edit available for audition; the CD would require some time spent with a digital editor. (If I don't hear from you, you may still hear from me.) -- TW (Dr P) ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #388 ********************************