Errors-To: et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Reply-To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #366 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 366 Sunday, 23 March 1997 Today's Topics: KC Anagrams Elephant Talk Digest #361 Fripp on his knees? Don't think so. Photos of KC original line-ups A welcome relief Epitaph! Epitaphium & Co A Cloud Corsage ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ to ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: et-help at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk ETWEB: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ (partial mirror at http://members.aol.com/etmirror/) You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig-bin/newslet.pl THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- From: Toby Howard (ET Moderator) Subject: Anagrams In response to sevarel requests from readers, the "anagrams" thread will be laid quietly to rest after this issue of ET. Tawdry Hobo ------------------------------ From: Mark Jakusovszky Subject: KC Anagrams Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:20:22 -0700 A while back, there was a post with 'all the good' KC anagrams. I'd been playing with a web site called ANAGRAM INSANITY and plugged in KC and look what I got: Aura Man's Orgy (Your Anagrams) Anagrams of no more than 3 words made from the 11 letters in ``kingcrimson'' Back to Anagram Insanity 1.Mock rigs inn 2.Song nick rim 3.Skim corn gin * 4.Grim nick son 5.Sick norm gin 6.Sick grim non 7.Grin mock sin ** 8.Cons mink rig 9.Cons king rim 10.Cons grim kin *** 11.Cons grim ink 12.Inns mock rig 13.Sock grim inn 14.Ring mock sin 15.Morn sick gin ** 16.Smock rig inn 17.Smock grin in 18.Smock ring in 19.Rings mock in 20.Nicks grim no 21.Nicks grim on 22.Mocks rig inn 23.Mocks grin in 24.Mocks ring in 25.Kings coin Mr. 26.Grins mock in 27.Coins king Mr. 28.Mining rocks **** 29.Mining corks *** 30.Coring kin ms 31.Coring ink ms 32.Coring minks 33.Morning sick **** 34.Scoring mink 35.Corning skim 36.Socking Mr. in 37.Nicking so Mr. 38.Nicking ms or 39.Corking ms in 40.Rinsing mock 41.Crimson king 42.Rocking ms in Lots of useless stuff, but some good stuff too! Mark J. ******************************************************************** * Mark Jakusovszky markj at atmel dot com * * Mixed Signal & Wireless Marketing * * Atmel Corporation * * Colorado Springs, CO * * * * "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to * * learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for * * their apparent disinclination to do so." * * Douglas Adams "Last Chance to See" * ******************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: dehat at CUPID dot COM Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 07:57:46 -0500 Subject: USA on vinyl? I would like to know if this is where I can find out info on getting a copy of "earthbound" and "USA" on vinyl...I have "USA" on cassette, and have been trying to get a copy of Earthbound many times since 1988 and it seems someone has been one step ahead of me in getting the last copy that someone has... Also wanted to know any helpful web sites for the Mellotron/Novatron. I know of an article from the May 1991 issue of Keyboard magazine on the Mellotron, but lost it, and wanted to contact the guy in Oregon who got all the master tapes. Thank you. de Hat aka Dave Meads dehat at cupid dot com c128user on IRC (as in Commodore 128) www.cupid.com/dehat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 13:36:41 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Sullivan Subject: Fripp on his knees? Don't think so. Someone is confused, I think about what 'went down' during the Kinks encore at one of the early Peter Gabriel shows w/Fripp as a backing guitarist. First off, it was likely to be the PG I tour (1977); extent boots of that tour have All Day And All Night as the encore, while at the PG II tour (1978) show I saw (and a bootleg of a different show I own) had 'The Lamb Lies Down On Braodway' as the encore. OPn both tours Fripp stayed seated in the background, nearly out of sight, as 'Dusty Rhodes', and I find it hard to believe (approaching impossible) that he ever jumped up front and fell to his knees for a solo. Anyhow, there was second guitarist on each tour; on the first tour it was the fellow who played lead on Lou Reeds 'Rock and Roll Animal' tour, and who plays on PG's first album -- a moderately well-known name, WHICH I CAN'T REMEMBER RIGHT NOW DAMMIT (and it's going to bug me for the rest of the day until I can get home to chekc it). *He's* the one that takes the burning solo on the encore of 'All Day and All Night' that I have, not Fripp. It's not so hard to imagine him doing the rock-star-on-his-knees pose. The guitarist on the second PG tour was Sid McGuiness (late of the Letterman show band), who also would have been capable of this sort of showmanship. But Fripp? No, I don't think so. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 11:02:04 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Cervero Subject: Photos of KC original line-ups The question was asked in ET #364 whether photos were take of the band at the Epitaph playback. DGM had a professional photographer recording the event. I managed to take a few photos of the band sitting side-by-side at the autograph table (this needed to be recorded by more than one, for posterity sake). It was only after I shot the photos that someone (I assume from DGM) told me cameras weren't allowed, but by then I already had my shots. I'm getting two of photos showing all 5 band members together enlarged. I plan to scan them in, and send the scanned images to Toby. If he wants to load them into ET, fine. David Maclennan from NZ suggested I was a rich man (I'm not) since I traveled from San Francisco for the event. While I would have taken a second mortgage on my house to attend this celebration if necessary, it worked for me because I'm on sabbatical leave this year from Berkeley (where I've taught since 1980) and have tons of frequent flier miles and an understanding wife and 3 kids. I stayed in London only 2 days, and because flights were heavily booked (spring break time), I could only get a return flight via Amsterdam. This worked out well because I was able to continue my Crimson-themed journey one more day! The first thing I did in Amsterdam was head to the Concertgebow (venue for what's widely held to be the best Crimson live performance of the 72-74 era, and which produced materials for much of SABB). I was able to slip into back of the hall just when a classical concert was over. I was stunned by the beauty, acoustics, and ambience of the Concertgebow. My reliving of Crimson-past continued as I sat there for some 20 minutes while listening to my just-acquired Epitaph CDs (and recalling meeting and shaking hands with Wetton for the first time the previous day). My brief diversion to Amsterdam was made complete when I managed to pick up a fairly rare Crimson bootleg there -- with due apologies to R.F. It was an incredible three days. A week later, I'm still giddy about it all. Thanks King Crimson! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 15:02:38 -0500 (EST) From: ASchulberg at aol dot com Subject: A welcome relief <> Congratulations to verbsofpray for his article in ET 358 detailing his encounter with Fripp. What a great relief from the bombastic pomposity that has permeated recent issues. An occasional satiric bite is a perfect reminder that sometimes we take ourselves, and often take our heroes WAY too seriously. Thanks for the laughs. Arnie Schulberg ASchulberg at aol dot com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 97 00:14:46 GMT From: fsteama at macline dot co dot uk (Mike Goode) Subject: Epitaph! Further to the moans that are beginning to appear re the Epitaph playback, I had the following message from Discipline Global Mobile after I emailed them in response to the original message in ET: >Dear Mike and Smiljka, >We have reserved two seats for you for the 15 March Epitaph playback. Kindly >send us your mailing addres so we can mail you the letter/ticket which you will >need to get in the door. It also contains place and time, etc. >See you on the 15th. >Diane at Discipline As requested, I replied thus: >Many thanks for the reply. Our address is as follows: >116 Mersham Road, Thornton Heath, Surrey CR7 8NQ And then? Nothing. No letter/ticket as promised. No details on the venue. So how the hell did anyone actually get to attend? Yours (gutted) Mike Goode ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 00:55:57 +0000 From: Neil Talbott Subject: Epitaphium & Co To be able to attend the Epitaph playback was a privilege and an event I will not ever forget - but I wish I'd taken my copy of 'Saturday All Over the World' for Toyah to sign! Robert Cervero's account of the event was exhaustive - I guess he covered just about everything so any further comment is probably superfluous. Well, here's some superfluity - I slummed it by coming down from the Midlands on a National Express coach, but it gave me a chance to read Robert's DGM Newsletter No. 1 in depth, and catch up on a little cloud-gazing (That Which Passes -Passes Like Clouds -ahem!). And there was the Inter-Continental (just down the road from the Hard Rock Cafe), and there was the queue of Krimheads (my first experience of meeting fellow enthusiasts) - not quite as weird as I expected them to be. And there were the doors open - finally - to let us up the grand staircase to the ballroom - and ...ohmygoditisn'tisit? Yes..yes! the original watercolour sleeve artwork for ITCOTKC, and sad to see it faded so much after 28 years - but understandable after reading Robert's account of the years of neglect it suffered in the EG offices (as related in the Epitaph booklet) . It was a pleasure to meet briefly fellow ET contributor Sid Smith (Hi, Sid) and experience the delectable beasts of terror with a nice cup of coffee. I was also overwhelmed by Greg Lake's jacket which was more terrifying than Thrak! There was a table near the speakers where I had a clear view of Ian Macdonald and John Wetton, and an even clearer view of Robert Fripp - 'the raison d'etre' - and David Singleton- the necromancer - making their opening speeches because I was fairly near their microphone stand. It is my loss that I never heard the original band live (nor any of the bootlegs) - so hearing them live on these recordings was a revelatory experience, they were staggeringly good for their time! The quality of these archive performances, the intimacy of the occasion, the physical effect of the music - particularly 'Mars - (the bringer of war)' and observing Ian Macdonald's personal reactions to the playback made for an emotional catharsis never to be forgotten. I'm middle aged and I don't get excited (grumpy maybe, but not excited) but I felt like a teenager because it was unbelievably wonderful to meet all the orignal members of King Crimson together. There are peak moments in our lives which seem to recharge our batteries and gives us the spiritual energy to go on. And there is someone out there - with an Epitaph connection - who phoned me at home on the Monday after The Epitaph weekend - whom I have to thank for his kindness and courteousness and inspirational encouragement. These two loosely connected events made for an extraordinary weekend for which I have to thank DGM and all the members of the band - for the past resurrected and the future waiting to be born. Lastly, a few odds and ends. 1) I'd never heard 'Mantra' from the Epitaph set before, but was delighted to recognise the connection between the guitar chords, and the chord sequence that opens 'Exiles' from LTIA. 2) On the Thrakattak album, has anyone else noticed Adrian playing the first part of 'Rule Britannia' in the midst of the improv on (I think) the 7th track? Was this a deliberate allusion to British Imerialist jingoism, or just a bit of light relief? 3) The thought of the Macdonald and Giles album re-issued with out-takes (as related by Sid Smith) is just too mouthwatering . Let's hope it sees fruition. 4) Is anyone else who reads ET for (masochistic?) pleasure tired of all the anagram word games and tenuous connections between X of KC and Y from some other aspect of the music business, currently aired on these pages? Can you give it a rest, guys? It's a waste of brain power, like doing crosswords. Thanks. -- Neil Talbott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 17:05:06 -0800 From: "Jeffrey A. Weinberger" Subject: A Cloud Corsage In ET 362, I asked members of our audience if they had interest in "A Cloud Corsage", described as a tribute to Fripp and Eno, but one which would not cover any of their compositions. Several people sent e-mail to me, indicating their interest in the project, and no objections have been offered for consideration in subsequent issues of ET, so "A Cloud Corsage" is hereby initiated. One of the respondents wrote: "I have a back catalog of over 5,000 hours of original music." From a different individual: "I'd be interested, but I think it would be more interesting to actually attempt to do Fripp and Eno stuff (who could really tell for sure anyway if anyone was actually doing a note for note of "Swastika Girls"!)" Some musicians have done covers that are able to transcend the original, such as the Hendrix version of Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower." Doing covers of Fripp and Eno would essentially mean doing a cover of "The Essential Fripp and Eno", which would be like trying to painstakingly replicate all of the improvisations on "Thrak Attack." Is there some rule of which I am unaware stating that a tribute album must consist solely of covers? I would like the music that becomes "A Cloud Corsage" to be new material intended specifically for this tribute. The project is merely a few days old, and yet we begin with more than 5,000 hours of original music that we will not be drawing upon. "A Cloud Corsage" is intended to be a global recording project which would use the internet newsletter Elephant Talk as a compositional tool. For example, members who are musicians might be asked to volunteer to be 'Recorders.' They would be willing to have a 'Musician' come over and record them. Only members of the ET audience who are NOT musicians may volunteer as 'Musicians', and hopefully we will have some 'Recorders' and 'Musicians' that live near each other. 'Musicians' will be asked to play individual notes, such as by pressing a keyboard key. Other ET members will be invited to provide the 'Musicians' with 'Instructions'. There might be a one line message in ET asking for subscribers to send in one number or word, and that information would then be formulated into 'Instructions' for the 'Musician'. The recorded result could be used to construct musical cells, which could be used as input for a tape loop, to construct unforseen chords, or to provide a backing structure to build upon. It is statistically unlikely that note for note covers of Fripp and Eno recordings would result from this process. Other posters have noted that some artists have even been offended by their cover tributes, which they view as mediocre versions of their core material. When a tribute dinner is held in honor of someone, at the end of the event the person being honored is usually asked to say a few words. Is there some rule which prohibits the musicians being honored with a tribute album from being invited to make a brief contribution? For instance, Mr. Fripp could be invited to contribute a guitar solo to one of the tracks, and if he should choose to decline the invitation, he would not be harassed about it. I think that the collective effort of many ET members to construct a 'hazardous space suitable for solo' would be more appropriate as a tribute than a note for note copy of existing works. Would ET be willing to contribute a few web pages for this project? We need an address that people can use to send messages to so that they won't clog up the ET newsletter. [ Sounds intriguing, Jeremy. ET will certainly support the project, although we wouldn't be able to offer much implementation help. If you supply the Web pages ready-to-go, we'll host them here with pleasure. -- Toby ] ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #366 ********************************