Errors-To: et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Reply-To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #361 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 361 Saturday, 15 March 1997 Today's Topics: Joe Fripp or Robert Pesci ? REQ: a Fripp quote Possible Productions ATTN: SGC weekend attendees I am What I am in _Gridlock'd_ Tomas Howie Drum Page Update 6 degrees: Soundgarden -> KC, Gregory Hines->KC The Value of Music/Concertgebouw the legend of the bass player Dedication "The Tribute" - the next phase. ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ to ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: et-help at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk ETWEB: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ (partial mirror at http://members.aol.com/etmirror/) You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig-bin/newslet.pl THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 15:36:42 -0500 From: sid smith <106050 dot 2211 at compuserve dot com> Subject: Joe Fripp or Robert Pesci ? I absolutely loved your post regarding verbsof prey's close encounter with Fripp. Imagine the scene: Sunday evening in the North of England. A fter a moderately hard day I turn on my computer to get my e-mail. Reading through the et digest I come across this post. I started laughing so much that those around me at home began to wonder if it had all become too much. To verbsofprey I say - thank you very much for your witty contribution to the so called "great debate". Never mind who would play Robert Fripp in the movie. It has to be Joe Pesci in Goodfellas mode. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 11:54:42 -0800 (PST) From: THRAK Subject: REQ: a Fripp quote Hi Toby et al, This is not necessarily for print in ET however if you can't answer directly, it may. About a year or so ago, I believe I read a quote in ET from Robert Fripp about music. It went something like: "Music is the cup that holds the wine of silence ... (blah, blah and then..) noise is that cup, but broken." Do you happen to remember it off-hand? It's such a nice, thought-provoking quote. Thanks in advance, -Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:55:18 -0500 From: Don Cooper Subject: Possible Productions Hi, Does anyone know how to contact Possible Productions nowadays? I, too will miss Mark Perry. As of 3/11/97, the phone number given in the recording as the new number, was disconnected. Directory assistance was no help, since they gave the old fax number as a phone number. I want to buy some KC stuff. And not every store carries their catalog, as we know. Thanks, Don ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:08:05 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin Subject: ATTN: SGC weekend attendees This message is directed towards the attendees of the Seattle Guitar Circling weekend: If you attended the weekend and want to keep in touch with other team members, but didn't get a chance to give me your email address, please email me. If you did not attend and you have questions regarding Guitar Circling, Introduction to New Standard Tuning and/or Guitar Craft courses, please direct your questions to Murray Kopelberg, the North American Guitar Craft Registrar at mkopelbe at students dot wisc dot edu -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:19:20 -0500 (EST) From: dumela at nicom dot com (tj) Subject: I am What I am in _Gridlock'd_ A few weeks back I went to see _Gridlock'd_ the new movie with Tupac Shakur (peace) and Tim Roth. At one point you can hear "I am What I am" as heard on Adrian's _Young Lions_. It was mixed in heavily with all sorts of other noise so I couldn't actually decipher whether it was just a recording of the voice heard on that track or the entire song from his LP. I have always loved that song and it was cool to hear it unexpectedly. It certainly threw me for a loop. Any better clues about this? dumela at nicom dot com tjm4 at cdc dot gov tj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:38:33 -0500 From: Tomas Howie Subject: Tomas Howie Drum Page Update To the drummers on this list: In the spirit of interactive cyberspace, I have updated my drum web to include a page on Practice Tips that allows users of my site to submit their own drumming practice tip or exercise for publication. Here's what you do: go to www.geocities.com/SoHo/9870/ and click on "Practice Tips". Click on "Submit Practice Tip" and fill out the form. Click "Send It In" when you're done, and I'll get it on the "View Practice Tips" page as soon as my schedule allows (usually within a week). I'm looking forward to seeing some of the ideas you drummers can come up with and share them with our colleagues! NOTE: If Geocities returns a "Our Server didn't like that request" message, it probably means the cgi script they use to send this to me busy (they have over 400,000 pages to deal with!). Inthat case - if you don't want to wait for geocities system to recover - e-mail your tip to me. *************************************************************************** * Tomas * "Language is the light * * West Chazy, NY USA * of the mind." * * tomas at slic dot com * - John Stuart Mill * *************************************************************************** * Howie Homestead: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2340/ * * Resource Page: http://members.tripod.com/~THowie/ * * Tomas Howie Drum Page: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9870/ * * Jon Anderson Page: http://www.il.ft.hse.nl/~lodewks/jon.htm * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 18:38:30 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Brancaleone Subject: 6 degrees: Soundgarden -> KC, Gregory Hines->KC I don't if its technically 6 degress, but at least there's some intersting connections on the way. 1)Fripp->Eno 2)Eno co-wrote songs on Bowie's "Outside" album (good album ya!). 3)A drummer named Joey Baron played on "Outside" tracks, who is a part of John Zorn's Naked City. 4)Zorn produced Mr. Bungle's first album 5)Mike Patton, singer of Bungle, is more well known working for Faith No More. 6)Faith No More's drummer Mike Bordin played on an early Soundgarden single. By the way, Bordin tried convicing Chris Cornell to be the lead vocalist of Faith No More at the time (before Patton was hired). Imagine that alternate reality! Also by the way, I recommend, for the avant-garde enthusiasts, Bungle's second album "disco volante". It's the most musically vulgar thing I've ever heard. Beautifully ugly. Here's Gregory Hines to KC in easy steps 1) Hines tap-danced on a track of Stanley Clarke's "If this bass could only talk" 2) Stanley played (plays?) bass in "animal logic", experimental pop group featuring Stewart Copeland on drums. 3) Stew, in addition to the Police, played on Peter Gabriel's "Big Time" track. 4) Another of Gabriel's drummers is Jerry Marotta 5) Marotta played on the Fripp/Sylvian CD "The First Day" 6) Fripp rips riffs in some project going on for a while now, ummmm, I forgot the name of the band, but I do know that many of its disgruntled audients/enthusiasts/fans are overly-expectant and manipulative. Now that we've (I'VE) connected Hines to KC in 6, then, collectively, we can definitely connect K. Bacon to KC in 9 steps (see diagram below), and thus connect ANY major movie star to KC in 18 steps or less. Not too shabby, not too profound. Hines -> Whitney Houston (Waiting to Exhale) -> Kevin Costner (Bodyguard) -> Kevin Bacon (JFK). Here's an anagram for Tony Levin NYLON TIE (with a remainder of "V") Someday I'll get better at those. On a more serious note: jOE "Gravity impedes my progress." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 22:29:31 -0800 From: rtc at sirius dot com (Robert Cambra) Subject: The Value of Music/Concertgebouw Mark Fenkner wrote in ET: "For the past two years I have often wondered what was the true value in music, and if there was value in music, if I could benefit from it....etc. To all of the people on this list that still are avid music enthusiasts, what is the value of music to you?" Going with a woman for whom music is not a very important part of her life has compelled me lately to consider why music is so important to me. Well, it's really obvious, once I think about it? Music is an amazingly complex, abstract, subtle and sensual means of communicating with ourselves, other people and the universe. It's one of the most important things that plugs me into the world, body and soul. The Concertgebouw show of November 23, 1973 was the first KC I ever heard. I can't express in words how happy I am that this show will be released by DGM - I'll have to do a little dance! (Michael Sheehan, Steven Sullivan, thanks for bringing this up.) This recording is still as exciting as it was the first time I heard it twenty years ago . THE TALKING DRUM calmly coalesces from random sounds into a wild, driven train, a charging beast that must ignite, crashing (rushed cacophony -- syncopated gong explosions) into a charging, gurgling, already having hit the ground running LARK'S TONGUES IN ASPIC II. This is the best. And I would like to put in my one cent worth of unsolicited suggestions for KC revivals and covers: - If KC ever did a cover, Baby Blue, my hope is that it would be something from The 13th floor Elevators. - STARLESS is a great one but if I could vote on it I would love to see FRACTURE revived in the live repertoire. It's a natural for the double trio. Also, can anyone else hear Bela Bartok's influence in some KC, particularly FRACTURE? When I first heard it I'd been listening to Bartok's String Quartets and they both seemed to me to come from a similar sensibility. (Fripp does mention in the CAREFUL WITH THAT AXE video that when he was becoming a musician one of the many important influences at that time on him was these string quartets.) One of the great successes of KC is it's ability to play music like FRACTURE and not sound like a rock band playing classical music. Best, Robert Cambra San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 13:30:20 +0100 From: Marco Brucale Subject: the legend of the bass player Dear ETers, I just read the wonderful Innerview by Anil and Tony in ET 360, in which Tony Levin talked (amongst other things) about his look and the fact that he is visually well known here in Italy. Well, back in 1995 when KC toured Europe, I was at the Florence show and, right after the CGT set, a tall bald guy with moustaches came from the backstage and began to talk with someone in the front row. No one noticed him immediately, but soon everyone around me was speaking about it, even if nobody dared to approach. - Hey, look over there, isn't that guy Tony Levin ? - No, he's too short. Ciao Marco Brucale -- == Aldo Brucale ================ vit0202 at iperbole dot bologna dot it === ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 10:35:28 -0500 (EST) From: skantere Subject: Dedication Dear Robert/ETers, One of these days I came across a book of poems by Natalia Chernykh, published in Moscow. It contains a poem that I dared to translate from Russian into English and post here (upon author's approval). Here goes: DEDICATION God, don't also forget Robert Fripp aboard a sunken ship Thy mercy and Thy cover neither on earth, nor under water God, don't also forget Robert Fripp who's vulnerable in a murky sky menacing in the sound of a door squeak repeatable in an angelic cry. It's a very close (albeit admittedly clumsy) translation. If you think some phrases don't make sense, it's not because of me. For Pedants amongst us, the book is called "The Shelter", ISBN: 5-900506-45-2, Argo-Risk Publishers, Moscow, 1996 (just so you know I'm not kidding you). Robert, please take this as *yet*another* indication that Russia is *ripe* for a Crimson gig! Oh yes, other celebrities that get dedications in this book are Shakespeare and Dostoevsky. All the very best, Sergei Kantere Moscow, Russia ------------------------------ From: Matt Walsh Subject: "The Tribute" - the next phase. Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 18:18:00 PST Hello ET team, It figures that after I agree to take control of this project that I get swamped with work and personal problems... well, now that I've gotten some of that out of the way, and I've had time to digest people's suggestions and my own ideas, I think it's time to start looking ahead as far as getting this project on the road. First, thanks to everyone who has sent me their suggestions and comments. I apologize for not responding to all of you, but with the amount of people that wrote and all the work I've been doing, it hasn't been easy. All the mail I got was postive and the only negative things I've read were a few notes that people sent to ET. I will assume by comparing the amount of mail sent to me and sent to ET, that I will be the one taking charge on this. I don't think anyone else has expressed interest. I guess I'm the only one insane enough. So, here's what I'd like to do at this moment. First off, I will need to get this information from anyone interested in participating in the tribute: Your name, band name, and what Crimson song you wish to do (if you want to give me a list of 2 or 3, you can do so). I will make the deadline getting these to me to be March 31st. What I will do then is compile a list of what songs have been picked and send them to those who wish to participate. The list will contain not only the songs that were picked, but how many people picked that song (I imagine songs like "Red" and "Starless" will have a high number). After displaying the list, it is then up to the artists to decide which song they want to do, and record the song by the deadline. August 31st will be the tentative deadline, which will give the artists plenty of time to pick the songs, practice them, and record them. I plan on having only one version of each song, so if you pick a song that many others want to do, you may want to consider doing something different. As I've stated before, you can do whatever you want with this. If you want to get your band together, or if you wish to get a bunch of ETers together, or however you like. I would like to get a DAT and cassette copy of the song you choose, and myself and possibly a few others will make the "final cut". There are tons of people on this list, and approximately 70 minutes to work with... There is no guarantee that your song will make the cut, so if the idea of taking the time and money to practice and go into the studio, only to have your submission rejected sounds like it would piss you off, perhaps you shouldn't participate. Whatever "listening" team I assemble will do our best to pick "the cream of the crop". It will be a difficult process, so hopefully it will go rather painlessly. I, personally, will looking for quality and originality (originality meaning taking someone else's song and molding it into their own). I won't get into too much details since this part of the project is going to be over 4 months from now. There are a few other things that need to be sorted out. I was glad to see a few people write me and offer their help with the artwork for the front cover. I have not made a definite decision on what I'd like to do with this, but may combine it with other ideas... If anyone is willing to contribute in other ways other than music, please get back to me... any help would be greatly appreciated and would probably make this more of a success. And of course, there is the question: What are we going to name this tribute? I will get back to the list as to how I'm going to make the name voted upon, but I have already had an idea of a name... "Children Of The Discipline... an ET tribute to King Crimson"... but that's just one that came off the top of my head. Please don't e-mail me title ideas yet, I'll get back to everyone on that. Also, thanks to Dan Kirkdorffer (ET Web guru) for offering his help(?) in making a page of the site for this project. This way I can save the bandwidth (yay!) of this newsletter and most of the info on the project will be put on the page instead of cluttering your mailboxes. I will still keep the list up to date, but these posts will just be much smaller. Hopefully Dan's still interested. Hmm, this is long and I still feel I have a lot to say... I've read everyone's e-mail and have taken everything into consideration. I'm not going to get in depth with everyone's questions. So, if anyone has any questions, please respond to ME, and I'll try to get back to you when I've gone through my completely cluttered mailbox. One thing I will mention is that people mentioned getting Robert Fripp/KC and Toby involved in the selection process. I want to remind people that the aim of this "tribute" is not to please KC. While I would definitely love to have KC and Toby involved in the project, I'm sure they are far too busy. Don't let Robert's offer to release it if it moves him get to our heads. I also have to make sure that I keep this project under control, so I have to make sure it doesn't get out of hand and will make decisions based on those (like the "cut" being made by those in the Philly area). This will hopefully be the last long message I send until the project reaches it's completion. I will start e-mailing the people involved with the project directly and/or post it on the Web if that comes about. Oh, so I don't destoy the mail server here, I would ask that people randomly select sending me e-mail to either of my e-mail addresses below, maybe that will lessen the blow, hahaha... Thanks again for all the interest, hopefully we can make this a success. Matt Walsh mattw at smginc dot com mattmonkw at aol dot com ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #361 ********************************