Elephant Talk #334 (as text)

27 January 1997

Date: 27 Jan 97 13:21:52 EST
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Tuesday, 21 January, 1997

Dear Team,

This is an open announcement to King Crimson enthusiasts to attend a
playback of Epitaph, an official DGM two volume bootleg of King Crimson
(mainly) live in 1969, in London on Saturday 15th. March, 1997 at 14.30 or
15.00. The official release date is one month later.

If anyone wishes to attend, please contact the DGM office at the postal
address, by fax, or by e-mail, by 14 February. When we have an idea of how
many enthusiasts are likely to be coming, we'll book an appropriate size
listening room. (Our guess is 50 -100).

The quality of sound on the first two volumes varies from poor to very
good. The recordings include the very first and very last of Crimso the
Great in 1969, beginning at the BBC in Maida Vale and ending at the
Fillmore West, San Francisco. They come in a box with a 60+ page booklet
with commentaries, controversies, conversation and chit-chat.

We shall be simultaneously releasing Volumes Three and Four (from the
Chesterfield and Plumpton shows) by mail order only, direct from DGM in
Europe and the US. The sound on these is appalling and far too horrific to
sell in a shop. Collectors please note: expectations of bootlegs are low;
expectations of formal releases, although bootlegs, are high. Abandon your
expectations here, please: the sound is wretched. Both of these shows have
been available on bootleg CDs for several years. The sound on the DGM
volumes will be better than available anywhere else, mainly because of our
care, time and equipment. We shall be selling them as
two-for-the-price-of-one. They will fit into the box accompanying the first
two volumes.

David Singleton's work to bring the tapes of all four volumes to a
listenable state has been, in some cases, a rite of necromancy. This
project would have been quite impossible without very recent technology,
David's commitment and perseverance.

The complete box and 4CDs will be available at the playback for pre-release
purchase. Probably, we'll also make available other DGM catalogue and

David and I will both be at the playback. Please let us know how many of
you are coming so we can get in enough tea bags. Credits for Volumes One
and Two follow.



Volume One:

1.	21st. Century Schizoid Man - (Fripp, Lake, McDonald, Giles, Sinfield)
2.	In The Court of the Crimson King - (McDonald, Sinfield)
3.	Get Thy Bearings - (Donovan arr. Fripp, Lake, McDonald, Giles)
4.	Epitaph - (Fripp, Lake, McDonald, Giles, Sinfield)
5.	A Man, A City - (Fripp, Lake, McDonald, Giles, Sinfield)
6.	Epitaph - (Fripp, Lake, McDonald, Giles, Sinfield)
7.	21st. Century Schizoid Man - (Fripp, Lake, McDonald, Giles, Sinfield)
8.	Travel Weary Capricorn - (Fripp, Lake, McDonald, Giles, Sinfield)
9.	Mars - (Holst arr. Fripp, Lake, McDonald, Giles, Sinfield)

Volume Two:

1.	In The Court of the Crimson King - (McDonald, Sinfield)
2.	Drop In - (Fripp, Lake, McDonald, Giles)
3.	A Man, A City - (Fripp, Lake, McDonald, Giles, Sinfield)
4.	Epitaph - (Fripp, Lake, McDonald, Giles, Sinfield)
5.	21st. Century Schizoid Man - (Fripp, Lake, McDonald, Giles, Sinfield)
6.	Mars - (Holst arr. Fripp, Lake, McDonald, Giles, Sinfield)

Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:53:52 -0500 (EST)
From: JIsaiahC at aol dot com
Subject: Trey and Tony
I had the pleasure of meeting both Trey Gunn and Tony Levin at the NAMM
show in Anaheim, California on 19 Jan.  Both were wonderful gentlemen and
took a small portion of their time to talk to me about some happenings, how
they were enjoying the show, etc.

And yes, Trey cut ALL of his hair off!

Thanks, guys, if you happen to catch this!


Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:59:05 GMT
From: dorsetit at rmplc dot co dot uk (IT Team)
Subject: New Crimso fanzine
Public Service Time!(Someone with Internet/ET access helping two fans who
don't as yet)

Announcing a new FanZine dedicated to King Crimson

'We'll let you know' is a new fanzine produced by Darren Woolsey. He is now
up to issue 3, (Issue 1 was introduced to the world at the Shepherds Bush
shows last June). Subscriptions are UKP 2 per issue (or American Dollar
equivalent). Please contact Darren direct at the address below:

Darren Woolsey
3 Kings Drive
Wrose, Bradford

Darren hopes to be on E-Mail soon but until then please use 'snail' mail
and not this E-Mail address. Needless to say, this is a non-profit
enterprise, so please allow for postage etc. Also, I know Darren would love
to have contributions from Crimheads, gig reviews, my greatest Crim
Experience etc.so why not get writing.

Incidentally, this fanzine does not intend to replace or compete with any
other productions in circulation. It is merely another vehicle for true
fans of the worlds greatest group to communicate with each other.

Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 16:57:18 -0600 (CST)
From: Andrew Harmon <aharmon at siue dot edu>
Subject: baby prog and the (heavy quotes) "failure"
	Well, Jeez.  I and a few of my Marxist and Libertarian friends
could go on for hours debating the illuminati and conspiracy theories
involved in the music business, but, you know...they have eyes everywhere!

	Seriously, though...
	I think Eb (is that "E flat" or "ee-bee"?) really hit the mark when
he responded an issue or two ago to all the mail about progressive music
and the industry.  This being that the industry has NO OPINION!  Scouts go
out and find a band they like and bring their superiors' attention (and so
on) until something happens, or it doesn't.  For the case of most KC
influenced bands (or at least the ones where the influence shows) the
process stops soon after the scout.
	This is unfortunate, to say the least.
	But...this means that those unsigned bands will subsequently:

	1)  retain their control over their music

	2)  keep the money their music earns

	3)  not get massine egos

	Which still baffles me as to the phenomenon of Crimson, since they
seem to reap the benefits of all of this.

	As to Goodman's request for Kansas City bands' names, the
moderately sized ones do have web pages, such as Shiner, Season to Risk,
Giantschair, and Molly McGuire.  I don't know if they would see their
music as Crimson related, but I think they would take it as a compliment.


P.S.-  Funny, I don't feel disgruntled.

Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 23:38:12 -0500
From: John Roi <astropod at mail dot snip dot net>
Subject: To Fripp Re: Fan Conduct
        Dear Fripp, I am writing in reference to your post in #332
concerning the behavior of certain fans. The emotional reactions of a young
fan can very easily supersede what would normally be considered proper
conduct. You must realize that it is the dream of many fans to meet & speak
with the artists they admire & emulate and that upon seeing one of their
cherished celebrities, they are likely to exhibit ebullience, ecstasy,
rambunctiousness, sophomoric behavior
etc. You have to expect a certain amount of exuberance from your fans! When
you went into the audience, you were taking a risk and you were fair game!
        In any given population numbering in the thousands, there will
likely be a multiplicity of personalities, levels of
sophistication/education, socio-economic background, brain chemistries
(natural or altered via various substances), phenotypes/genotypes, etc.
Although your music is unique & deserves its own unique classification, it
still falls under the general heading of Rock so you're not going to get the
jacket & tie Zubin Mehta type of crowd!
        What I'm trying to say, RF, is that you have unrealistic
expectations of your fans. You are looking for an ideal level of conduct
which can never be realized unless the world were exclusively populated by
Lt. Commander Datas. Try not to take yourself, or us, so seriously.

                                        Respectfully, John
John Roi
astropod at snip dot net
"Live Long & Prosper"

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 08:38:35 -0500
From: "Steven W. Sthole" <sws at indra dot com>
Subject: Mr. Fripp in the Director's Chair
Now that we can pretty much conclude, especially after ET# 332 that R.
Fripp does read Elephant Talk (ye-gods, two posts in one issue!), I was
wondering if the possiblity exists of compiling all the 'lost' footage
of all Crimson live appearances onto some sort of video. I'm speaking of
T.V. footage (Midnight Special appearance circa 1974, playing LTIA Pt.
II and 'Easy Money', if I recall correctly), the appearance on Conan
O'Brian (which I missed), the performance on Friday's back in '81 (which
I have but not too good of quality; the state of VHS back then...), etc.

I'm sure there are some BBC performances we Americans have missed. The
'Careful With Thax Axe' laser disc indicates there is some archival
footage around from the '72-'74 era. If Mr. Fripp has rights to all this
footage and if it is all available, it would be priceless product to all
us Crimheads out here. Perhaps the assembled footage could be marketed
by Possible Productions or something. Just a thought.....

peace and economic prosperity
-sws at indra dot com

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 11:51:33 -0500 (EST)
From: BRUCETUNE at aol dot com
Subject: Re: Greg Lake
Here's some news for ET readers:

* Look for a 2 CD Greg Lake "Career Retrospective" to be released by
Rhino/Atlantic Records April 1st., 1997 for US & Canada. Castle has it for
the rest of the world, except Japan which will be on JVC Victor. It will be
a collection of previously released and unreleased rare tracks from King
Crimson, thru the various groupings of ELP & ELPowell, and Greg's solo
tracks from the 1980s.

* We are putting together a mailing list for Greg Lake fans to receive his
newsletter ON THE LAKEFRONT. I will add any of your readers names to it,
but they must send us both postal and e mail address.

* The recent ELP/ Jethro Tull tour was a huge success. ELP will certainly
be doing more tours in the future, but for now, Greg is concentrating on
his solo LP.  Greg is writing and recording a new studio solo LP for
late1997 / early 98 release. Look for a solo tour at release time.

Thanks again

Bruce Pilato,
Personal Manager - Greg Lake.

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 15:45:40 -0700
From: gondola at deltanet dot com (Eb)
Subject: From the ridiculous to the sublime
>From: Michael Forrest Zink <dpgumby at csd dot uwm dot edu>
>Just thought I'd share an interesting tidbit from the latest
>issue of Rolling Stone.  In the article on Stone Temple Pilots, the
>brothers DeLeo -- well, let me just type out what the article says:
>"As for broadcasting their influences on record, the DeLeos are keen to
>point out that Dean's angular chord patterns on Tiny Music's 'Adhesive'
>are a nod to Robert Fripp's riffing on the 1974 King Crimson track 'Red.'"
>Another reason STP is one of the coolest groups out there nowadays.

STP are so dismal that I can't even hate them. Their music just floats by
me like dust in the breeze, so derivative and bland that I hardly perceive
it consciously. Their day is already coming to an end. In three years,
they'll be totally forgotten.

As for STP showing influences, the most heinous theft I've ever heard from
them is their current single (I haven't bothered to find out the name). It
rips off Bowie's "Ziggy Stardust" riff so blatantly that Bowie should have
grounds for a lawsuit.

>From: STEVE dot FROY at GEO2 dot poptel dot org dot uk
>Can you help ? I came across Elephant Talk. I'm a Captain Beefheart fan and
>have recently been told he's been recording with Robert Fripp (and Brian
>Eno).  Have you heard this ?  If you have any details - where (and how) it
>came about - I'd be really grateful for confirmation, because it means the
>old fart has come out of musical retirement.  Or if it's just a wind-up...

I've heard that Beefheart has multiple schlerosis, and is really is no
condition at all to record. A real tragedy -- there are at least two of
three Beefheart albums I like better than anything by King Crimson.

Very happy to see the "Easy Money" debate put on the ET blacklist, Eb

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 19:00:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Nameless to the Goddess <afn39111 at afn dot org>
Subject: Elephant talk lyrics
I can get all the lyrics to "Elephant Talk" but two.  The first is right
after "dialogue." The second is between "expressions" and "explanations."

Thanks for your help. I want to memorize something to say during soundchecks
rather than "testing testing can I shut up now testing."

Sinister Minister <*> Church of Perelandra: http://www.afn.org/~afn39111
DREAMS OF TAKING THE VEIL--a rollercoaster reality ride

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1997 20:15:19 -0500
From: scruto19 at potsdam dot edu (Bolts of Ungodly Vision)
Subject: tributes
Let me preface this by saying that my newness to this form of King Crimson
conversing is fairly high and that "THE TRIBUTE" as mentioned in issue 332
is not something which I can claim to have a thorough knowledge of, other
than through assuming it to be a being recording of King Crimson music done
by (insert musicians' names here).
    I do not typically "bash" these musical ventures for once in a very
long while the new renditions offer fresh insight into the original
recording. But when it comes to King Crimson, I am somewhat apprehensive.
Being more or less an amateur musician and a student of philosophy in
college, King Crimson (as most memebers on this list would most likely say)
is a band which is more than just being "a rock band."  (that phrasing
might not particulraly be the best to use, but its the closest I can get
right now).  Tackling a piece off of any KC release is not an easy task nor
should it be, for the fact they just aren't "connect-the-riff" songs as
heard on popular radio.  Even if I had the musical ability and
accompaniment to perform "Fallen Angel" or "Larks' Tongues in Aspic, part
3" for such a release I don't think I would.  The idea of doing so, in my
mind at least, detracts from the mental exercise and development that the
work produces in an individual upon listening to and discovering how to
play it.  It would far better serve the purpose of "paying tribute" to KC
if I were to simply say to myself (after listening and figuring out any
particular piece) "There you go, Jason.  You moved a little farther ahead,"
and proceed further down the road with that knowledge of KC's musical
structures in mind.  KC is more than just a group of assorted musicans who
play some tunes. It is a summation of years of creative input and drive
towards a single goal- to put it plainly - to be King Crimson.

Jason Scruton

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 01:11:09 GMT
From: fsteama at macline dot co dot uk (Mike Goode/Smiljka Surla)
Subject: Tull to KC in easy steps...
Ron Harding wrote:

"Most of the major British prog bands are easily connected, but Jethro Tull
can be tricky.  No connections come to mind, but I think I knew one once."

Easy. Try Jobson (with Tull on their 'A' album) and take it from there...

Another less obvious rote might be Tull>Tony Iommi>Cozy Powell>ELP (and
you're in!)


Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 00:41:40 -0500 (EST)
From: James Peele <jpeele at osprey dot unf dot edu>
Subject: What gauge strings to use?
Blah!  Blah!  Blah!

Hey Crimson fans!  Hey Fripp!  Lighten up!

I've recently started to experiment with the new standard tuning (which
highly resembles the tuning of a mandolin, violin, etc.) and I'm wondering
what string gauges to use for an electric guitar...  Anyone know what works
best?  Please e-mail me privately...

Thanks in advance...
Jay Peele
jpeele at osprey dot unf dot edu

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:04:05 +0000
From: Orn Orrason <ossi at kerfi dot hi dot is>
Organization: Systems Engineering Laboratory
Subject: Calm down
Please calm down Mr. Fripp

University of Iceland
Systems Engineering Lab
VR III, Hjardarhagi 2-6,107 Reykjavik
Tel 525 4699 (UI), (2nd) 589 9111 (PTI)
Fax 525 4937 (UI)  (Prefix for Iceland = +354)
E-mail: ossi at kerfi dot hi dot is: Web: http://smyrill.kerfi.hi.is/~ossi

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 12:31:07 +0000 (GMT)
From: dinosaur <jwb2 at ukc dot ac dot uk>
Subject: Robert Fripp onstage in Japan Video
This is just a question for Mr. Fripp, with the hope that he may be able
to answer it.

The other week I finally managed to get hold of the Live in Japan video.
To add my $.02 to that long-gone debate, I think that on the whole the
footage was good. At least you can see all of the musicians playing - even

And this is the subject of my question.

I would be genuinely interested to know how RF feels whilst he is
performing onstage. I have no problem with the lighting setup and the fact
that he is not particularly visible for much of the time. I think that this
helps to preserve the enigmatic quality that he has.

But it is difficult (on the basis of the video) to tell whether he is
enjoying himself while he performs. Does Robert enjoy himself onstage?
Or rather: Robert, do you enjoy yourself when KC performs live?

Please take this as an interested inquiry rather than anything like a dig
at you! I know a lot of the time, people tend to criticize you for not
living up to their expectations. I don't have any expectations of you other
than to keep doing what you want, and how you want to do it.

I only thought to ask this because other members of the band like Adrian,
Tony and Bill seemed to be really obviously enjoying what they were doing.
Having said that, I think I did see a wry smile on the face of Mr. Fripp a
couple of times!

Keep up the good work Toby and KC,

Yours truly,


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From: "Heilbronner, Michael" <MHeilbronner at kilcody dot com>
Subject: First 3 Picture Set
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 09:51:00 -0500
My copy of In the Court of the Crimson King is a NON-Definitive Edition
release from England.  I don't own In the Wake or Lizard on cd (have

I would like to round out my cd collection and am considering purchasing
the three-disc set of these three albums (the one with the picture
discs).  Nothing on the packaging suggests that this set contains
Definitive Edition remastered versions of the albums.

Does anyone know which "editions" these discs are?

Subject: Smipp Friles
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:00:04 -0500 (EST)
From: "Robert W. Gorry" <rwg at symuli dot com>
Just an anecdote about the tortured artist.

I first saw the double trio in NYC at Town Hall in June of 1995.  It was a
Saturday night, a packed house and expectations were high.  Crimson soared.
A very appreciative New York crowd gave them thundering applause at the
conclusion of the show.  There were smiles and waves from the stage as they
took it in.  In the middle of them all stood Mr. Fripp with a smile that
his face could barely contain.  A beaming Robert Fripp completed the
transaction between Artist and Audience quite satisfactorily.

Bob Gorry           		One definition of insanity:
Netmatics, Inc.     	   	  Doing the same thing and
(203) 389-5657  v   		  expecting a different outcome.
(203) 392-0055  f
bgorry at netmatics dot com

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 17:31:12 +0200
From: Tefkros Symeonides <tsymeo at logos dot cy dot net>
Subject: IRC etc.
First of all, kudos to Fripp (I hope you're reading this) for taking my
"best guitarist" comment the way you did. When I read your message, I
laughed my ass off. It's obvious that you care about us, your
audience/enthusiasts/fans more than some people think. I quite understand
why you wouldn't want to be bothered while watching another show by someone
who just wants to say "thank you". I think you're already aware of our

Anyway, what I wanted to bring back to the forefront was my suggestion to
have a registered King Crimson IRC channel; there must be some people
interested (I think someone recently said "/me groans" or something).
Please, if you are prepared to help me out (it's not a big deal; you'll just
have to send an e-mail to someone at some point to express your support)
drop me a message.

Yours hopefully :)
Tefkros Symeonides

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:55:28 -0500 (EST)
From: KRosser414 at aol dot com
Subject: Is or isn't Fripp a nice guy?
Instead of the myriad of judgements being made about Fripp's lack of
niceness that are based on either one encounter or complete rumor, I
thought I'd offer up this, which comes from someone who worked with him at

I recently had the opportunity to work with Steve Hunter, mostly known as a
session guitarist, but who was also in Peter Gabriel's first solo band
along with Fripp.  The gig we did left lots of time for sitting and
talking, and I was curious to know about his experiences working with
Peter.  The talk then moved to Fripp.  Steve said that although he has a
reputation as being meticulous, controlling or even quite anal, if he is at
all it's really only toward himself.  He went on to say that Fripp was very
open and accepting of others, moreso than many folks he's worked with, and
said yes, he was indeed a very nice guy.  He also had nothing but the
highest praise for his musical discipline , saying, "Robert would do these
incredible exercises to a metronome for about an hour each night before we
played.  Mostly these amazing arpeggio etudes that were liked 20th century
classical pieces.  He is so innovative, and I learned so much from just
hanging back and observing him.  I really have a lot of respect for him as
a highly focused musician and as a great guy".  Why did he sit off to the
side of the stage out of view of the audience during that tour?  "Beats
me...I really didn't care."

Just thought I'd throw that into the pot, for whatever it's worth....

Ken R

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 09:02:16 -0700 (MST)
From: Paul Martz <martz at shaft dot fc dot hp dot com>
Subject: RF reply
A lot of the "expectations listeners have of performers" discussion has
pertained to personal contact. I've had no contact with Fripp, so instead
I'd like to talk about my own expectations of the quality of King Crimson's

For me, the Discipline album was the best Crimson recording ever made.  No
album since has ever been quite as good. Subsequently, Crimson has gone
their way, and I have gone mine.

"So it goes," as Kurt Vonnegut might say.

I was quite excited when the band reformed a few years back, even went to
see them, but for me the excitement was over about as soon as it started. I
had grown and aged since Discipline came out. So had Crimson. Like so many
other bands I was especially fond of in the early 80s, King Crimson no
longer "did it" for me.

However, I recognize that Thrak has exposed Crimson to a new generation. I
feel like the old guard, being changed out for the new. This is not a bad
thing. Actually, I think it's great that people are experiencing Crimson
now like I did in the 80s.

I used to post almost monthly to the "Discipline" digest, and when it was
renamed "Elephant Talk" I continued to read it and occasionally
post. Nowadays I'm subscribed to the "table of contents" version and only
rarely do I download a copy and read bits and pieces. I find I can't quite
let go completely of Crimson, since at one point they meant so much to me.

To Robert Fripp (to summarize): At one point in my life, you folks were the
best! But now we've both moved on. Don't stop or change your direction on
account of people like me who occasionally yearn for something comparable
to "The Sheltering Sky". You wouldn't expect me to act like I'm 18 again,
and I can't expect you to live in the past either.

   -paul		martz at shaft dot fc dot hp dot com

   "Technology can be used for good or evil.
    Please use only for good."

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:06:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Rob Jefferson <jeffer at thoughtport dot com>
Subject: Frippertronics and headaches
Thanks to all the people who responded regarding the looping software for
computers and some of the equipment available.  As soon as I can find some
work, pay off college application fees, and get things settled, I might
save enough money to set up a looping system of my own.

When I started listening to Frippertronics about a year and a half ago, I
noticed that for the first week after purchasing _Let the Power Fall_, I
was plagued with headaches every time I would play it.  I wasn't sure why
it was happening, but I trudged forth because the music was simply too
wonderful (IMHO) to be ignored.  Since then, I have discovered that my
persistence paid off, and I can actually use loops to help me sleep at

Recently, I introduced one of my friends to the world of Frippertronic
looping, paimarily by playing bits of material from _1999_ and _Let the
Power Fall_.  While she was listening to it, she noted two things: First,
the sounds relaxed her greatly; and second, these same sounds gave her a
particularly nasty headache as well.  Granted, she has also adjusted
herself to the sounds, so all is well on that front.

This makes me wonder if headaches connected with the music are common
among first-time listeners.  Since my knowledge of music theory is not
very great, I'm not sure if there are any intervals or frequencies in the
music that may be headache-inducing.  Not to start an expansive thread on
ET (thank goodness the "inkey pudge"/"licking/making fudge" issue is
*over*!), but I would like to know if anyone has either experienced this
before or knows why this happens.

Rob Jefferson  --  Member, Acadec '96-'97
Senior, Young Magnet High School, Chicago
* Email:jeffer at discipline dot tophernet dot com *

From: David Crossen <dc at scms dot rgu dot ac dot uk>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:51:44 GMT
Subject: Energy Vampires
Hello Folks,

I've really enjoyed the discussions raised by Robert's recent postings.  I
think Robert's posting in et#332 in reply to Matt Lincoln should get the
message home to even the most rabid fan.

I have myself, perhaps through shyness, always been reluctant to approach
musicians unless I was fairly sure that I was not intruding on them. One
has to be prepared to be rebuffed without taking umbrage. Even then I feel
uneasy about it. I certainly sympathise with Robert. Let's use channels of
communication which can be used without any imposition on the artist (like
ET). Robert obviously cares about his audience : otherwise why would he
bother contributing to this forum?

The debate reminded me of a Peter Hammill song (who sang on the "Exposure"
album) entitled "Energy Vampires" from the album "The Future Now".  Apart
from this being an excellent song on one of my favourite PH albums, the
lyrics of the song are very relevant to the ongoing discussion.  The best
thing for you to do would be to listen to the song, if you don't know it
already. I will, however, attempt to give excerpts from the lyric.  I
apologise for any inaccuracy, since this is from memory.

	Hunched in the corner of the dressing room
	trying to get back to the real ...,
	Oh oh, here they come
	ready for their meal

	Energy vampires
	crawling out of the wall
	they want to steal my vitality
	they want to drink it all


	"Excuse me while I suck your blood
	 Excuse me while I phone you
	 I've got every one of your records man
	 doesn't that mean that I own you"

	 I've got a life to lead too.
	 One thing I've not got a lot of is time

I think it was this song which first prompted me to think about some of the
questions Robert has been asking about. I hope you listen and enjoy.

David Crossen.

From: Neil_Jones at tvo dot org
Subject: Free CD offer
Date: 27 Jan 1997 17:18:07 GMT
Organization: TVOntario's Online System
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     Please do NOT send them to me at Neil_Jones at tvo dot org
     I'm only passing on this info to interested ET members.

1) Describe yourself - hairstyle, beliefs, occupation, clothes, body, weird
sex habits,distinguishing features, etc. whatever seems relevant.

2) Mailing address (we need it to mail you a CD) (also - do you have a site
or home page?)

3) Phone number (please include area codes and extentions)

4) Who are your favorite bands or musicians?

5) Tell us about your pets (Make it up if you don't have one)...

6) What are your favorite movies?

7) What are the FIVE MOST IMPORTANT things (objects,people,concepts or
thoughts) in your life? Hmmmm.........

8) How did you find out about this web site? If it was linked to another
site, which one?

  * You can tell him you got info from ET, and mention my name if you'd like.

9) Are you requesting this cd JUST BECAUSE IT'S FREE or because it might
genuinely align with your musical tastes? In essence, is this the kind of
thing you might actually like?

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 14:25:54 -0600 (CST)
From: earthbound starblind <John dot P dot Mohan at lawrence dot edu>
Subject: Bark Psychosis - HEX
  I have a recommendation for an obscure disc fans of Sylvian might
like. It's by a group called Bark Psychosis and the title is HEX. It's a
1994 release available from CDnow.
  Very subtle and unassuming music. My first impression was a cross between the
more ambient side of Sylvian/Fripp and the eerie experimentalism of Rain Tree
Crow. The album concludes with "Pendulum Man", a gorgeous ambient instrumental.

From: "N/a" <kingcrim at idirect dot com>
Subject: "magic-realism"-robert fripp
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 15:39:24 -0800

my name is jose and i would like to express to rf and specially to kc, as
one, that your music in my soul opened my magic-realism towards certain
moments of my journey.

i am native from chile, south america, but unfortunately my family fled
chile when i was still a child. i returned to chile 12 years ago, it was
then that i was introduced to what is called progressive music or what ever
denomination you whant to give it. i have stayed for long periods of time
in "valle de elqui - chochiguas" . the valley of elqui , montegrande,
cochiguas, is where gabriela mistral, nobel prize of literature (poet), was
born , and equally important is that is there where "energy" and
"mysticism" are "alive". in chochiguas was were i was touched in a magic
way. i say magic because it was not a solid touch. i believe your music
insipired me to seek my own path. love,freindship,wholeness and soul.

i am not writting in response to your questions or "literature - play" , i
prefer to "comunicate" my ideas,utopias and perspectives in a more human
way.  i am just happy to know i can write to robert fripp, and maybe,only
maybe, i get the joy of you writting back.

jose l. godoy
in person
toronto , canada (in exile)

Mike Stok