Errors-To: et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Reply-To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #327 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 327 Saturday, 11 January 1997 Today's Topics: Burning Guitar once minors were miners too! John Wetton's Home Page Syvian "Gone To Earth" For Trade Mediacognition&KC&STARLESS Lyrics On Easy Money (Live Versions) RF Soundscapes in Bath, 21/11/96 genre Re: burning guitar Re: Cloud About Mercury miscellanie KC IRC Channel Re: Cloud About Mercury SAOTW; Summers Soap Scum Remover Richard Thompson / My new favorite KC album Re: Fripp on Bowie Albums Re: Questions about Belew songs/Burning Guitar TOAPP/This Is What... & "burning guitar" Re: Prog Fog? Bruford Jazz Projects... AB Sings/ Toya/Trey / SGH Chiming in, and a proposition. Looping Technologies on the PC Re: burning guitar Progressive Music is alive and well!!! Simple answers on over-discussed threads GK-1 pickup modifications Merriweather Damage - 2 copies available Miscellany USA I Imports vs. Boots Wellsprings League of Gentlemen diary - query Fripp and Bowie THRaK aTTaCK Re: Posting for Elephant Talk from Sister Patricia Fripp Peter Hammill Alive In Japan!:) Did Fripp and Hendrix really meet? Belew - "I am what I am" on video? ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk UNSUB/ADDRESS CHANGES: Send a message with a body of HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ ETWEB: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ (partial mirror at http://members.aol.com/etmirror/) THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- THE OFF TOPIC LIST 1. Is Adrian any good for Crimson? 2. Is Toby right to "censor" posts to the list? 3. Posts which essentially say: "X is God" or "Y sucks". Or vice versa. 4. Anything remotely related to "Burning guitar" :-) -- Toby ------------------------------ From: Dave_Depper at bendnet dot com (Dave Depper) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:48:58 -0800 Subject: Burning Guitar Organization: http://www.bendnet.com For the person wondering which Bowie album contained Fripp's "burning guitar," it was 1980's "Scary Monsters and Super Creeps." Fripp has stated that he went into the studio on three separate occasions, did his thing, and that was that. That particular album is one of my all-time favorites, I like it more than most Crimson albums. It contains (IMHO) Fripp's best playing. His solo on "Teenage Wildlife" has made me teary eyed on occasion. Wonderful album, very jangly and Fripp-like. Other Bowie albums w/ Fripp: "Heroes." Great album too. Dave, the 16 year old KC maniac. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 19:18:54 -0500 From: David Kirkdorffer Subject: once minors were miners too! Regarding Easy Money and lyrical interpretations... What about if the line: "once (what) you were a minor" were to be understood as: "once (what) you were a miner" -- you know, like in a coalmine. Would that be acceptable? I 'spect J. Wetton is lurking at this very moment -- about to pounce on us all for our declaring his ennunciation as incomprehensible ;-) David Kirkdorffer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 19:29:47 -0500 From: David Kirkdorffer Subject: John Wetton's Home Page Did you know that... John Wetton has a Home Page -- http://www.geocities.com/Paris/8099/wetton.html And if you were thinking about it -- I just asked there if anyone can understand what John's singing on Easy Money. Voila! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 22:17:18 -0500 From: ASFSeattle at aol dot com Subject: Syvian "Gone To Earth" For Trade I'm hoping to connect with ET'er who might be interested in a trade of sorts. I've ended up with a duplicate copy of David Sylvian's "Gone To Earth" on CD - the precursor to Sylvian/Fripp - The First Day. For any "Damage" Fans, it contains a few of the Sylvian items found there in their original form. Any interested traders please e-mail direct. I'd prefer a straight 1 for one CD trade. Make me an offer. Rgds, Matt ASFSeattle at aol dot com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 13:00:29 -0500 From: Joe Basile Subject: Mediacognition&KC&STARLESS Hello, Looking at the video for the umpteenth time,I feel this is the best crimson ever! One reason is they are all better musicians than they were ten or twenty years ago. Also as they became wiser they became more team players.Anyway I personally feel it is time for STARLESS. Random cognition, I wonder if KC ever considered performing two nights at a venue performing two different sets of songs. They surely have the catolog for this idea. ALSO RF as best Experimental Guitarist in one magizine,aren't they 25 years to late! I enjoy most entries into ET. Ilook forward to this! Warmly, Joe Basile ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 18:10:45 +0000 From: grc at cybersurf dot co dot uk (Graham Crawford) Subject: Lyrics On Easy Money (Live Versions) "Efun Moyiwa" wrote *------------------------------------------ I have never been quite sure of the altered lyrics to Easy Money as performed live (on the USA album for example). It sounds much like "Well I argued with the judge, but the bastard wouldn't budge, 'cause they called me inkey pudge (?), and you never told me *what* you were a minor (?)" *------------------------------------------- I've always thought, from second line onward, with / alternatives - 'cause they caught me eating/licking fudge, and they never told me that/once you were a minor Now, maybe it's just my warped mind, but I took the 'eating/licking fudge' reference to be a euphemism for oral sex, performed on an under-age female, hence the arguing with the judge, and not realising/being informed that the recipient was under the age of consent........ This leaves the burning question - is the lyric based on truth or fiction? And, if truth, which Crimson member was up before the judge? (or at any other time.....) Regards, Graham ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 18:17:28 +0000 From: Tony Brown Subject: RF Soundscapes in Bath, 21/11/96 Hello there, and a happy new year to you all Prompted by Matts enquiry in #323, I thought I'd put down some lines about the RF Soundscapes performance at Bath Green Park Station on 21/11/96...sorry it's taken a while. The ambience to get in mind when reading this is COLD. It was absolutely freezing all day. Bath's only about 30 minutes on the train from here (Swindon), so I thought I'd get a train at about 4ish to catch the 'late afternoon/early evening' performance. Last minute jitters find me phoning Opium Arts in the morning.....they tell me that kick off is 12.30 and he'll be playing into the afternoon depending on the cold. Eek! this leaves me fifteen minutes to get a train that'll get me there on time; luckily I have an understanding boss and work next to the station so I just made it. Beautiful late autumn day for a train journey -clear blue sky and a sharp bright sun casting long shadows over the frosty fields - added to the sense of 'schools out' at having an impromptu day off work. Get to Bath with plenty of time, which is just as well as it's a fair old hobble (I had a gammy leg at the time) to the place. Green Park Station is, quite literally, an old (Victorian) station -arched glass roof, Bath Stone walls, iron pillars - about 200 yards long by 100 yards wide. It's sort of half car park (for the Sainsburys at the *open' end) half performance area, and has a number of 'hippy'/craft shops and market stalls along one side..oh yes, and a bar/bistro at the 'ticket office' end. There's no sign of RF/gear, so I had little choice but to go to the nearby pub for a quick medicinal pint. I return at about 12.45, and there's a bloke setting up stuff, so I feel reassured, but it's cold standing around so I had to find another nearby pub for another medicinal quickie (the damn leg!!). I return at about 1.30, and RF's sat there with his rack of electronics and array of pedals and midi controllers (for those interested in that sort of thing, and please excuse inaccuracies, I counted 2 Eventide Ultra-harmonisers, 4 digital effects units, a 'sound shaper' module, 2 GR(?)100 guitar synth racks and what I assumed to be a power cleaner all fitted into 2-part flight case (eventides in one box atop the rest; on the floor was a pedalboard GR100 guitar synth, several volume-type pedals, 2 (I think) midi controllers, and sundry other pedals). There were four speakers arranged in a square around the performance area. Oh yes, and RF had a fan heater strategically placed (carefully positioned, I overheard, to warm him but not his strings!). Chatting to a bloke from Bath College (who had organised this as part of the Bath Guitar Festival), I discover the RF is going to play all the way through to 8.00 pm!. There were seats/tables outside the bistro, so I settled down on one of those, wrapped up and listened..So what did he do?. Well, err, Soundscapes!...the whole performance was relatively mellow and very ambient (due to it's duration, I would assume) - not as 'harsh' as Radiophonics and not as 'concise' as 'Blessing....'. RF would build a few layers up, and then leave the whole lot playing/developing as he went for a wander round to hear the sound, nip to the loo, warm up inside or whatever, and then return and do some more. Some gorgeous stuff going on, some wonderful bell/chime notes, choiry 'ahhs', and now-and-again he'd spin the knobs on the Eventides to create swirls and wooshes. Bear in mind this is in quadrophonic inside an open-ended glass cylinder, so it's all pretty ethereal (at one point when he was going inside to warm up, he suggested to a those of us near the door that we wander around to enjoy the sound, we did, it was worth it). Interesting to hear, when standing about 10 feet away from RF, the tinny *plink' of a string followed by massed choirs emerging from the speakers - not surprising he views it as the best way of making noise with one guitar. The afternoon passed by...great fun to see passing shoppers staring confused at what's going on, RF wandering anonymously amongst the stalls, looking very, er, tiny in his big black (warm!) padded anorak, RF breaking off from playing to wave and give a big beaming smile to a little kiddie who wandered up to him and just stood there staring at him in the way that little kiddies do, I think he was even pestered by a passing a passing tramp at one point, but didn't seem to mind...and all the while these quite beautiful soundscapes swirling around in the background. One of my favourite moments was when, as the sky was starting to turn colour as the sun began to set, some dogs began barking in the distance in a perfect counterpoint to the music; less so the arrival of a Parcel Force van, all engine revs drowning out the sounds, and of course the occasional car alarm going off every now and again. Come about 4.30, and I am seriously, bone-deep cold, and shivering like a shivering thing, so reasoning that there's another 3+ hours to go, I adjourn to a hostelry to warm up and find a phone to try to persuade a friend of mine (a recent RF convert) to come over from Swindon to see this; luckily he couldn't make it. After about half an hour, when the body-jarring shivers are down to about 1 per minute, I get back to the station....and it's stopped. RF is sat at a table signing stuff. But no music. I ask the bloke from the college what's happening, and he tells me, making supreme efforts to remain calm as he is obviously seriously annoyed, that the Council have pulled the plug because of complaints about the noise!!. I gasp incredulously at this, and others confirm...apparently there had been several complaints including one from someone _inside_ Sainsburys who had been put off their shopping. I ask you, this was _so_ loud that it was regularly drowned out by revving cars, car alarms, dogs, etc, and was practically inaudible more than 250' away because of the background town noise. I can only assume that someone (or people) caught sight of the amplifier, decided it was therefore *rock n roll' music and so grubby and unworthy of Bath, and complained. Bloody blue rinse brigade. Probably have been a different story had it been a string quartet, or brass band (who seem to be able to get away with making all sorts of dins at all sorts of volumes, but this is just a personal bete noire). So, RF's sat there signing stuff, chatting amiably to anyone who wants to chat. Interesting to note that as he's talking he's signing away with his left hand (although he plays with his right). One bloke in front of me had what seemed like his complete recorded/produced/appeared-on output for him to sign...I was worried the pen would run out before I got there :). RF very decently signed my Great Deceiver book and a couple of posters for me, and agreed with me that it was seriously cold (look, I'm English and therefore entitled to be obsessed with the weather!). He seemed very gracious and polite with everyone, not the beast we have sometimes read about! :-). One of his helpers then appeared with hot coffee, and RF thanked those remaining, apologised for the curtailed performance and withdrew. All in all, a jolly good afternoon out. Postscript: sat at home 5 hours later, the thermostat set to *Bessemer Converter' level, wearing a big thick cardigan, gloves, woolly hat and with two cats sat on me, I'm still cold!!. Very nesh for a northerner! Cheers, and apologies for the length of this Tony ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 14:27:53 -0500 From: Steve Earley Organization: Sojourn Systems Ltd. Subject: genre Thanks Toby, I have never been able to classify KC as one or another kind of music. If you go back to the beginning and follow through up to current date I'm sure you will find that the music is so different as to be unclassifiable. No other group of musicians has ever demonstrated the inovativeness that Fripp and his merry men have. I don't consider them "rock" at all, and "jazz" doesn't fit either. The reason so many people try to put them in a category is the time frame, the instuments they use, and the audience they generated. Truly, KC is and has always been an outcropping of the desire of a few incredibly talented people that have a burning desire to share with the world their own perception of beauty. As a generation we have come to identify so strongly with "our" music. Leave the classifications to those that have a need...meanwhile go on letting KC play the music of reality and enjoy. Yah Buddy...they have been playing the song of life all along. Someone posted here that his refridgerator made a more pleasant sound than that heard on "Soundscapes" sheesh...I fall asleep 5 out of 7 nights a week with either "Soundscapes', "Thrakattack", or "The Essential Fripp and Eno". Why? ...Because it speaks of REALITY. Sorry to have bored you again. Steve ------------------------------ Subject: Re: burning guitar Date: Tue, 7 Jan 97 14:36:05 -0500 From: "David G. Shaw" On Fri, 03 Jan 1997, hecker wrote: >In the road diary that comes with the Leage Of Gentlemen album "Thrang, >Thrang, Gozimbulx", Robert Fripp writes: "I woke at 9:57 having got to bed >at 6:30 subsequent to spraying burning guitar over David Bowie's new album >and not leaving the studio until 5:00." The tour took place in 1980, as I >assume, so could anyone make a guess which album Fripp is talking about? The Bowie album in question is "Scary Monsters." Fripp rips it up throughout the opening cut, "It's No Game." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:51:33 -0500 From: jmc at sdr dot utias dot utoronto dot ca (James MacKenzie Crawford) Subject: Re: Cloud About Mercury Matt C asked, > Does anyone out there know of any albums that are comparable to David > Torn's Cloud About Mercury? I picked up Mark Isham's Blue Sun and Torn's > Tripping Over God, and both are good, and I recommend them both if you like > Cloud About Mercury, but, well, they don't have Bruford and Levin. Do any > of Torn's other albums sound like Cloud? What about Isham's other stuff? > Have Bruford and Levin played on any other jazz albums (besides Al > DiMeola's horrible Scenario)? I my opinion, the best "other" Torn album ("other" being not CAM, because that is definitely the best) is the one he did with Mick Karn and Terry Bozzio called Polytown, which is also the band name. Very good album, even better tour. A great album to listen to after CAM, in terms quality and general feel, is Andy Summers' album World Gone Strange. It's very jazzy, like the later tracks on CAM, and Tony Levin appears on the album too so that unmistakable bass sound makes it a very comfortable listen. Just a suggestion - hope it helps. Cheers, James C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 97 15:24:52 EST From: Mike Stack Subject: miscellanie Hello there. Here I am on my winter break, bored out of my mind (as required of all us college students on winter break at one time or another I think...) when my new Elephant Talk arrives. Sadly, this is the highlight of my day until my girlfriend gets home sometime after midnight.:) Ah well, anyways.. Re: JW's singing on live versions of "Easy Money"... I always thought he was saying "well I argued with the judge / but the bastard wouldn't budge / 'cause he caught me leaking fudge", which is something that has been concurred by my two fellow UConn student KC fans that I hang out with regularly. Now, this could leave all sorts of odd thoughts about the whole lyric, most of which is pretty sick. Unless of course that JW was trying to convey a feeling of nervousness, but that would imply the use of "fudge" metaphorically to a similarly toned substance which would, um, leak when one was extremely nervous. Well, I said it was sick!!! Also, someone was asking about what Bowie album Fripp could be talking about in the liners to _THRANG THRANG GOZIMBULX_. If the tour was in '80, the album would be _Scary Monsters_, an excellent Bowie album, with some excellent guitar work from the master. A few other notes-- I would also endorse Porcupine Tree's _Signify_ as one of the better albums of 1996, certainly one of my favorites, and the band which I just discovered. For those of you (like me...) who like to make useless connections to King Crimson, PTree's synth player is nonother than former David Sylvian/Japan sideman Richard Barbieri. In any event though, _Signify_ IS spectacular. I'd also recommend Ten Seconds to anyone on the list who likes Fripp's heavier work. Forth's album sounds like Pandemonium-era Killing Joke with Fripp on guitar, which would be a lethal combination. Great, great stuff. Like it quite a bit here. That should do for now, more later I suppose.. mike "waiting for the day when i can fall away" -porcupine tree, "waiting" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 22:37:38 +0200 From: Tefkros Symeonides Subject: KC IRC Channel Strange. I try joining #pinkfloyd, and it works. Then I try joining #kingcrimson, and there's nothing. The same with #kc. Let's have an IRC channel, folks! The best band that ever existed deserves it! (not that I'm trying to pull people away from ET and into IRC; I think that ET is fantastic; still why should Pink Floyd have a channel and not us?) Best regards, Tefkros Symeonides ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 15:42:20 -0500 From: dalane at bbn dot com (Dave Lane) Subject: Re: Cloud About Mercury Organization: Domain Solutions Corporation Emuguy5830 at aol dot com (Matt C) asks: > Does anyone out there know of any albums that are comparable to David > Torn's Cloud About Mercury? I picked up Mark Isham's Blue Sun and Torn's > Tripping Over God, and both are good, and I recommend them both if > you like > Cloud About Mercury, but, well, they don't have Bruford and Levin. Although it doesn't have Bruford or Levin either, I predict that anyone who likes Cloud About Mercury will also enjoy Terje Rypdal's 1978 album Waves. Here is the info: Terje Rypdal Waves ECM 78118-21110-2 Terje Rypdal: electric guitar,keyboard,synthesizer Palle Mikkelborg: trumpet,flugelhorn,RMI,tac piano,ring modulator Sveinung Hovensj=9B: bass Jon Christensen: drums Per Ulv Karusell Stenskoven Waves The Dain Curse Charisma > Do any of Torn's other albums sound like Cloud? The closest to Cloud would have to be Door X, although the vocals didn't sit too well with a lot of fans. > What about Isham's other stuff? > Have Bruford and Levin played on any other jazz albums (besides Al > DiMeola's horrible Scenario)? Bruford is supposedly recording an album with Ralph Towner in February. As for Fripp content, does anyone know anything about the releases of "That Which Passes" and "Soundbytes", both of which were supposed to be out in December according to PossProd? --Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:05:16 -0500 From: alan s cohen Subject: SAOTW; Summers >Like one or two others, I really like the Kneeling At The Shrine album. I I remember back in around '91 reading an interview with Fripp saying that SAATH was an ongoing project, as were The League of Crafty Guitarists and King Crimson. So add me to the list of people who'd like to hear more. In fact a year or so ago, I suggested to Possible Productions an official bootleg of them. I believe Mark wrote back that it was a possibility. >Re the Bewitched album, I would have to say this is my least played Fripp >album. At the time of this album, Fripp was getting ready to tour with Crimson and spent only 2 and a half weeks on this album, compared to Summers 2 months. I definitely hear a much bigger Summers influence on this album, and to me, it was much weaker than I Advance Masked. Alan *------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i000371 sends (alan cohen)... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 13:13:43 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: Soap Scum Remover Hello Friends: The Artist Shop now has Mike Keneally's new video, Soap Scum Remover. This is a video of live performances with his band, Beer for Dolphins, shot at the Burbon Square in Van Nuys. These performances are not the same as are on his live CD, Half Alive in Hollywood (which, of course, we also have) and even includes some songs not found on the CD. You'll find both at . Mike recently finished an American tour with Steve Vai. I caught the show at the Odeon in Cleveland. It was great! Mike and Beer for Dolphins opened the show, then he joined Steve for his set. Word has it Mike only gets a very short break before heading back on the road with Steve, this time to Europe. As soon as I get those dates, I'll post them on the bulletin board. Just a reminder that tomorrow night (Wednesday, Jan. 8 at 9pm eastern) is our live IRC Chat with Gary Willis, bassist for Tribal Tech and Allan Holdsworth. Go to for all the details. Gary will be giving away an autographed copy of his new album, No Sweat, during the Chat. A number of people have inquired about laserdisc versions for King Crimson's Live in Japan video and Yes' Keys to Ascension video. Presently these are only available as expensive Japanese imports which we can get. The King Crimson laserdisc is $74.99 and the Yes laserdisc (last years perfomance at SLO) is $134.99. The latter is about 150 minutes. As far as U.S. release, Discipline has only released the VHS version of the Crimson video and has no plans at this time to release a laserdisc in the U.S. It is my understanding that Keys to Ascension will get a U.S. release in laser disc format sometime this year, possibly spring or summer. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol dot com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 16:02:59 -0500 (EST) From: KILPATRI at vms dot cis dot pitt dot edu Subject: Richard Thompson / My new favorite KC album "Brown, Ken" said in the last digest: >On to other things, its ashame that Richard Thompson thinks so little of >his fans as to say 'they're even worse than professional critics' I am glad >he realizes who as made it possible for him to have a career in music all >these years. As the one person who actually witnessed this quote, I fell compelled to respond. Richard said this to me on 4/18/94 after a concert in Providence after I asked him if he was aware of the Internet mailing list dedicated to discussion of his music. He actually responded: "yes, they're worse than real critics, they're amateur critics!" This was said, by the way, with a grin on his face and a twinkle in his eye; in other words, it was clearly a joke, not meant as a disparaging comment. The RT list adopted the quote for the list T-shirt being planned at the time. I have yet to meet a "Dickhead" (or "Thommophile", take your pick) who has taken offense at the quote, once the context has been provided. Richard is actually quite appreciative of his fans, on the 'net or wherever. On another topic: I dubbed the soundtrack of the "Live In Japan" video to a cassette for my own personal listening enjoyment, and it has become my new favorite KC "album" - it's most comparable to _B'Boom_, and I think it's better! Certainly, the mix is better than the more compressed sound of _B'Boom_, with the only quality drawback being the hiss from the video and audio cassette tape. (BTW, the whole thing fits perfectly on a 100-min cassette, with the break after "THRAK".) Cheers - Steve Kilpatrick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 21:03:37 -0800 From: Jason Bell Subject: Re: Fripp on Bowie Albums Ulrich von Hecker wrote: >In the road diary that comes with the Leage Of Gentlemen album "Thrang, >Thrang, Gozimbulx", Robert Fripp writes: "I woke at 9:57 having got to bed >at 6:30 subsequent to spraying burning guitar over David Bowie's new album >and not leaving the studio until 5:00." The tour took place in 1980, as I >assume, so could anyone make a guess which album Fripp is talking about? Me only a mere Chapman Stick Player, but it wasn't 'Heroes' was it ?? I know Robert played on 'Scary Monsters' but I thought that was earlier. I only know this info because my Dad is a Bowie fan, I'll stick with Trey and Tony, thankyou. Matt C's question on Bruford/Levin jazz albums. David Torn's 'Cloud About Mercury' is one of my favourite albums, I only bought it for Tony's Stick playing (ain't too proud to let the truth out). I can't think of any Jazz albums, they did play together on Yes' 'Union' album on the track 'Evensong'. Another nice jazz album with Tony playing bass/stick has to be 'NYC' by Steps Ahead. My Web Site is now fully up and running, now there's a shameless plug for you. Happy New Year To You All. Jason Bell EMAIL : xdr44 at dial dot pipex dot com HTTP : http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/estate/xdr44 "Where We Are Going, Is How We Get There" Robert Fripp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 16:16:00 -0500 (EST) From: murkie Subject: Re: Questions about Belew songs/Burning Guitar > Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 18:09:44 -0500 (EST) > From: FISHBOY > Subject: Questions about Belew solo songs > > Does anyone know if "I Remember How to Forget" evolved into "Dinosaur" or > vice-versa? There are several parts in IRHTF that jumped right out at me > Has Adrian ever > mentioned if any of these songs are connected to each other? I'm just > curious. well, "I Remember" was originally pitched to crimson during pre-thrak song selecting, but was turned down. It was probably written at the same time as "Dino". I'd also venture a guess that the way "Dino" turned out on record influenced the way "I Remember" ended up. Both being written by the same person might also have a little to do with it. > Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 19:44:02 +0100 > From: hecker > Subject: burning guitar >... could anyone make a guess which album Fripp is talking about? "Heroes" Every time I've heard Fripp refer to his playing on the sessions for Bowie's "Heroes" album, he has always worked in the adjective "burning". murkie ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie at middlebury dot edu = = "The world isn't flat. It's actually +6 dBa at 5.7 kHz." = = = ===================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 97 17:02:33 EDT From: "Pooh Head Bucket?" Subject: TOAPP/This Is What... & "burning guitar" Hey all. Coupla things- YES! Adrian's live version of "Three of a Perfect Pair" was the basis for "This Is What I Believe In." I have a great FM broadcast tape from the Mr. Music Head tour that illustrates that beautifully. (Incidentally, Adrian's MMH band just didn't do ToaPP justice, IMHO... (sorry, Ade :)) Also, the "burning rock guitar" Fripp is alluding to is "Fashion" from "Scary Monsters." I think the whole quote appears in the Tamm book. If that's how the man plays while tired and dizzy from touring I shudder to think what he can do on vacation, well rested. Or maybe he's just one of those rare people who feeds off stress. In any case "Scary Monsters" is probably the best Bowie album. Yowza! -tom Tom Soriano * sorianot at alpha dot montclair dot edu *------------------------------------------ "It's a typical day on the road to Utopia" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 14:57:51 -0700 From: gondola at deltanet dot com (E.B.) Subject: Re: Prog Fog? > From: Alan dot Maguire at mercer dot ie > > This is a genuine query. Is dissension allowed on E.T.? It seems that > every scrap of criticism, just or otherwise, is pounced upon by > braying hordes of sycophants. Criticism needs to be addressed not > attacked. If we all agreed about everything why would we bother > communicating in the first place? Bravo! Nice one. :) >From: "Brown, Ken" > >Eb has as me wondering why is prog-rock such out of date genre. >Please tell me what genre in rock is currently with it and hip I need to >know. Could be Eb that you know little of the resurgence in prog? > >Progressive music is alive and well there are many new and exciting bands >creating new and exciting music. Anekdoten and Anglagard from Sweden, >Porcupine Tree from England, Cast from Mexico and scores of other bands are >not just carrying on the tradition of prog but expanding on it. > >Pick up Ptree 'Signify', the best cd from 1996, this band incorporates new >and old styles in their music making some truly unique, truly progressive. Uh...yeah. So, how many of those bands have US record contracts? (Sorry to be US-centric, but it IS the world's most important/influential record market.) And how many people enjoy those bands, beyond hardcore prog-only types? Could any of those groups fill a large venue in the States? I mean, sheesh, "Cast" couldn't even play the States at all, because the British pop band Cast owns rights to the name. There's no real resurgence in prog-rock, just a faithful cult of sustaining followers. Wishful thinking on your part. Maybe there was a spurt a few years ago, when "Wayne's World" briefly turned Queen into a kitsch item and Primus steered a few folks toward Rush and KC -- sometimes it seems like whatever's 20 years old is what's currently hip (see the punk boom today). But c'mon, have some perspective. How much press do those bands get outside of prog-concentrated 'zines? What % of people in the world have heard of Ptree? It seems like many people here just rank records based on how "progressive" they are. That sort of thinking is far too narrow for me. King Crimson is really the only active act I like which lands anywhere near prog-rock. There's plenty of current "artsy" music which I'm enthusiastic about (Jane Siberry, The Blue Nile, Cocteau Twins, Flowchart, Eno, Mouse On Mars, Kate Bush, Stereolab, Komeda, David Byrne, Belew, Eric Matthews, Pere Ubu, Portishead, Laika, Peter Gabriel, Steve Reich, Seefeel, Einsturzende Neubauten, Laurie Anderson, Scott Johnson...), but I wouldn't call any of that stuff "progressive" in the old-school sense. Including (solo) Belew. And of the above, only Stereolab, Eric Matthews and Peter Gabriel rank with my verrry favorite active artists. Not among the braying hordes ;), Eb PS I'll certainly concede that Can is an important influence on many young bands today (including a few of the ones I listed above), but I've never been comfortable calling Can a prog-rock band. Their adherence to simple, repetitive rhythms is far too much of an anti-prog choice. Which is not to say I don't love Can -- I'll take Tago Mago over most King Crimson albums. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 20:15:14 -0500 From: Ctao at aol dot com Subject: Bruford Jazz Projects... To respond to the query about BB's "jazz" appearances on discs other than Torn's "Cloud About Mercury"--- BB also played on Torn's "Door X", though the album's pretty pale by comparison, and certainly lacks that lush Manfred Eicher/ECM sound (Door X is on Wyndham Hill, in an ill-fated and probably ill-advised entree to the world of harder edged music). BB also added some great playing to (incredible) bassist Jamaladeen Tacuma's second(?) solo album. The name escapes me, but I believe it's out of print. A track or two w/BB appears on "House of Bass", which is a sort of compendium. Not to mention Earthworks...I'm sure your aware of that BB led group, which is actually the straightest ahead of the above. As for TL...the man pops up all over the place, though he claims he doesn't play jazz. I remember hearing some years back that he had been offered the bass chair in Mahavishnu before Rick Laird signed on. Who knows?? CDowling ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 18:32:37 MST7MDT6,M4.1.0,M10.5.0 From: "MARK L. JAKUSOVSZKY" Subject: AB Sings/ Toya/Trey / SGH Happy New Year All! ** Lurker Mode Off ** Just a few interjections on 'current events': On where Adrian Belew songs come from, etc.. check out the Adrian Belew Ultimate Reference Page (or something of the sort). I can't find the address right now, but if you email me, I can send it on. The guy that runs it is a REAL fan and does a real good job (even if you're not reading this!). I think he indicates that the chords for Dinosaur were brought to him by Robert Fripp. He also indicated that Cage was a song he brought into the early sessions. On Toyah's voice (sorry for the earlier misspell), all the vocals on 'The Third Star' are unusual and might take some getting used to (for normal humans, not us!) but all are extremely good. This disk is highly reccommended (by me anyway). I enjoy the direction Trey Gunn has taken on this CD vs 'One Thousand Years'. Sometimes God Hides is also a MUST HAVE. The CD flows pretty well considering the range it needs to deal with. You can't beat the price ($3, I think). I already have my copy, but will probably order more stuff from Possible Productions (possprod at aol dot com) just to buy a few more copies for friends that I want to 'convert'. Re: Bandwith (and even old-fashioned time) wasting posts about this and that: Let's learn from others' mistakes. ** Back to Lurking ** Thanks, Mark J. ************************************************************************** * * * Mark Jakusovszky markj at atmel dot com * * Mixed Signal & Wireless Marketing * * Atmel Corporation HAPPY NEW YEAR! * * Colorado Springs, CO * * * * * * "Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn * * from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent * * disinclination to do so." Douglas Adams "Last Chance to See" * * * * * * * ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 21:30:47 -0500 From: Edward Banatt Subject: Chiming in, and a proposition. Hello ET. First, I wanted to hop on and chime in, regarding some must haves. SAOTW is a really straightforward set with some nice arrangements. Trey Gunn on stick, some guy named Fripp on Guitar, Toyah Wilcox on Vocals, and Paul Beavis on drums. On this CD, you can hear Trey Gunn playing. Oh, I liked what Fripp did, too. Wanting to hear more Trey Gunn, I ran all around town until I found Third Star. Wow. This guy has chops. More female vocals, and quite an eclectic mix. Toyah, Alice (A lee' chay), and Serpentine. Pat Mastolletto does some drumming. If you don't have B'Boom the official "bootleg", you owe it to yourself to pick up this three dollar preview (Sometimes God Hides) to hear a screaming rendition of "Red" (Did you see what Adrian does in the Live in Japan version? My head is still spinning!) This cd sampler is also a great place to find other Crafty, etc, inspired material. I just picked up Europa String Choir. Two guitars, and a viola, which really warms up the "guitar craft" sound. Ok. The Proposal. Why not have a concert tour, HORDE-like, of Discipline Global Mobile Artists (Plus), each artist/group gets a couple of contributions, and hit a few big cities. Some pluses would include SAOTW, and David Sylvian. I would also like to hear King Crimson play some cover tunes, (other than pre 1980's KC), the pieces to be agreed upon by the group. Ok. The Great Compromise: Next time Crimson tours, each member gets two solo pieces! Covers optional. Edward Banatt Fairlawn, NJ ebanatt at internexus dot net http://www.wp.com/EBANATT/ ------------------------------ From: "Stephen P. Goodman" Subject: Looping Technologies on the PC Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 19:08:52 -0800 In ET #326, Rob Jefferson asked the following: > Are there any programs available that can act as the tape-looping system > for Frippertronics/Soundscapes? > Since I'm not a particularly good musician, and I don't have the money to > spend for the essential equipment > to play such sounds, but I *am* interested in playing them, a computer > program that could do such a thing > would be great news for me. It would be something that (if reasonable > priced) I would be highly interested in > purchasing and experimenting with. Well, YES actually, in a sense. Before I honk me own horn, there is a great recorder/player for sound files under Windows 3.1/95/NT called Cool Edit, and you can download it from http://www.syntrillium.com - I use Cool Edit 96 to record my own work, and it's done a great job of it! The interface is natural, and the program runs swiftly, with a broad array of features (like EQ and NR, or saving to most file formats). I liked it so much I bought me a copy! And I'm still using it! [Honk] :) If you'd like to get your hands on some pre-recorded, ambient guitar loops of my own design, I post them each Saturday midnight PST on my EarthLight Studios page, which may be found at http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios - available in self-executing .EXE (Windows) and .WAV formats (everyone). They're individual pieces from a CD-ROM-in-process-of-completion (!#@!) called "Book Of Days" [close the curtain, Frank] Before I posted The Loop Of The Week in self-executable form, I recommended the use of Cool Edit to loop them. The standard player that comes with Windows (and, unfortunately, in the interior of both Netscape and Internet Explorer!) uses MCI for their sound file playing, which does not actually loop, but rather repeats. The difference is that there's a gap with a repeat; and a looped play should have no gap. I'm looking forward to the advent of better sound cards for reduced prices, and more advanced software to allow for multi-tracking. Sigh. But Cool Edit DOESN'T use MCI to play, and as a result, their LOOP is just that, and seamlessly so. But do come to the page! And let me know whatever else you unearth! Stephen Goodman * It's the Loop Of The Week! And it's free! EarthLight Studios * http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios ------------------------------ Subject: Re: burning guitar Date: Tue, 7 Jan 97 22:35:22 -0000 From: Philip Good >In the road diary that comes with the Leage Of Gentlemen album "Thrang, >Thrang, Gozimbulx", Robert Fripp writes: "I woke at 9:57 having got to bed >at 6:30 subsequent to spraying burning guitar over David Bowie's new album >and not leaving the studio until 5:00." The tour took place in 1980, as I >assume, so could anyone make a guess which album Fripp is talking about? I would guess he is talking about Scary Monsters. Fripp has often referred to his guitar playing on that album as his best work. Which brings up something I was thinking about today on my drive home from work. What is it about Fripp's guitar playing (and music in general) that drives people crazy? It either strikes a nerve or rubs a nerve. I was just thinking today (while listening to Great Deceiver) about seeing The League of Gentleman in a small bar in Atlantic City. The crowd was bouncing around fairly energetically most of the show. At some point in the evening Mr. Fripp let loose with some fairly lengthy "burning guitar". Being in a tight crowd like that with bodies already in motion, the effect of this guitar on the crowd (including myself) was very interesting and a bit scary. It was something: animalistic, cerebral, frenzied, bordering on insane... We are a group of people from all over the world who are brought together here probably because this affects us all in a somewhat similar fashion. My wife insists, as do most people I know who have heard King Crimson, that its nothing but a bunch of noise. So, any ideas, felow Crimso fans, what it is that links us together? Philip Good ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 02:18:27 -0800 From: nomad at netrover dot com Subject: Progressive Music is alive and well!!! Hi ETers!!! Ken Brown's post in the last ET issue is so true. Progressive music is alive and well. PORCUPINE TREE's-"Signify" album is a killer, as well as "The Sky Moves Sideways"-PORCUPINE TREE. ANGLAGARD's-"Epilog" album is THE best progressive rock album I've heard from the 90's so far, along with PORCUPINE TREE's-"The Sky Moves Sideways". NO-MAN from England are also excellent as well. Robert Fripp plays soundscapes on a tune called "Angeldust". This is on the "Flowermix"-NO-MAN album, "Flowermouth"-NO-MAN album, and AMBIENT EXTRACTIONS-"Vol.2". Check out all these releases. You won't regret it. Ian Carr of NUCLEUS has even collaborated with NO-MAN, even Ian Mcdonald from KC too. Other great prog. outfits include THE ELECTRIC ORANGE, MOOM, PSYCHOMUSAK, LONG FIN KILLIE, TORTOISE, BUTTERFLY CHILD, LEGION OF GREEN MEN, LAIKA, PRAM, & JESSAMINE. For techno progressive freaks>>> The new compilation called "Logical Progression"-L.T.J. BUKEM is a must!!! The new genre of Drum & Bass is so explosive on this compilation. GLOBAL COMMUNICATION is THE best ambient band around, along with R.Fripp's soundscapes projects including FFWD. Everyone should also check out CAMILLA'S LITTLE SECRET-"The Steps", which is available from POSSIBLE PRODUCTIONS and came out in 1994. This is R.Fripp's best kept secret IMHO. I hope you all check out this stuff if you want to be ahead of the game. Bye4now------->>>>>>> JULIAN BELANGER "Ranting Man"(from CANADA) "I want your money"---R.Fripp quote from a Guitar Craft session. ------------------------------ From: "Gerd Weyhing" Organization: Rechenzentrum der Uni Mannheim Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 22:04:18 MET-1 Subject: Simple answers on over-discussed threads Hi, fellow CrimHeads, I ve been reading ET for quite a while now, but never felt I could contribute. But, reading ET #324, I think I should (at least for once) leave the "lurker mode" to comment on two postings. 1.): Tomoyuki Ohsawa s Posting on the Japanese " Live in Japan '95"-Version/RF's requirement >If you look at the video, you can tell that RF gets minimum light. This was >also his request. RF told Masa that he can't concentrate if he gets too >much lighting. There we have it ! A simple and understandable answer to the "Why-Is-Robert-Fripp-Never-Lit-Properly-Onstage ?" question, which is subject of some ET postings and other sources (like, e.g. the two open letters to Robert and his responses (on the "Articles"-Page of the ET-Website)) 2.) Tefkros Symeonides' "Another Adrian message" 3 short answers to Your questions: >1. Is it not pretentious of him to argue that he is the very centre of King >Crimson, that he writes everything (which he obviously doesn't) and that >all the others depend on him? I have no reason to doubt that Adrian has written all the KC lyrics and (lead) vocal lines from 1981 onwards. IMHO, the sleeve notes on LPs/CDs list him as the author of all those lyrics. >2. Is it not pretentious of him to praise himself as a performer, and >again call himself the "frontman of the band"? Not at all, because I think he really IS. Both. >3. Is it not immature of him to use arguments like "PUT UP OR SHUT UP"? No, IMHO it is a natural, understandable reaction on this thread. It had probably started as the expression of CrimHeads' likes and dislikes (I haven't followed it all the way), but it seems to me that, at least before Adrian's reply, it was more like the expression of destructive critisism. Gerd =:-# ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:48:36 -0500 (EST) From: PaulMaryW at aol dot com Subject: GK-1 pickup modifications Would anyone know of someone who has done modifications to the Roland GK-1 split pickup? This is mounted on the guitar to allow one to play the GR-300 and GR-700 guitar synthesizers. I have recently acquired the GR-300 and would like to control it using my Chapman Grand Stick(R). Stick Enterprises, Inc. offers the new GK-2a pickup already modified for the Stick. Unfortunately, the GK-2a is incompatible with the GR-300. I've been in touch with Emmett Chapman (SE), Craig Anderton, and David Torn about this. None could offer any help. Hopefully, you can. Thanks for any assistance. Take care, Paul L. Walters Midlothian, VA USA ------------------------------ From: Matt Lincoln Subject: Merriweather Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 15:22:15 -0500 I started the new year off with a subscription to ET. It' s been great!! Keep up the good work Toby!! On August 25, 1996 I caught the KC show in Maryland with Vernon Reid opening. During Vernon's set I noticed RF sitting by the sound board. Wow, I thought, I've really appreciated all this man has done for music (Since I've bee a fan from way back when; I went with my brother when I was nine to buy In "The Court of ...") so I thought I would just say Thank You. I waited until the applause died down from the last Vernon song and said to RF, "Excuse me I would like to say.." but before I could start talking he ran away. And not just moving away but RAN. Like he was afraid. ( Kind of like Sir Robin the Not So Brave RUNNING away from the Three Headed Beast in the Holy Grail) I'm left thinking I am a fan of a person who dislikes people, especially the ones who give him money for his music. He could've said "please don't bother me", or "do not talk to me". Maybe if you talk to RF you could express my apology as well giving him the opportunity to behave like a human and apologize to me as well. I've worked in the music industry and met and dealt with people such as Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins, Bono, Sting and others but none have ever RUN away from me. What was it, my breath??? matt lincoln matt at argo dot net matt at windowbook dot com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 16:06:39 -0500 From: "Hickson, Robert [PRI]" Subject: Damage - 2 copies available I ran across 2 copies of "Damage" at a local record store. Both unopened in original packaging (although the shrink wrap on one of them looked like it had a few miles on it - or a few kilometers if you prefer). The price was (I believe) $29.99 (U.S.). If that seems like a reasonable price, e-mail me privately and I will purchase/ship the disk to your door. If that seems like an unreasonable price, put together a band, begin practicing the material on "Damage" and when you get really, really good at it, make a tape. ;^) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 20:52:54 -0500 (EST) From: ASchulberg at aol dot com Subject: Miscellany I'm several issues behind in ET so forgive me if this stuff has been mentioned. First of all, all ET subscribers should check out Rob Murphree's Web Page devoted to Adrian Belew. Besides being a fantastic web page, Rob has Adrian contributing regularly with a space called Adrian's Corner. It's a fascinating diary of AB's work process and contains the occasional news tidbit about KC, such as the mention of Fripp and Trey meeting with Adrian in early December to hash out some of Robert's ideas. "We play in the studio with small practice amps at low volume. We record everything to DAT and stop for an occasional playback, coffee, and conversation. Good stuff. Hard to describe the music except to say it's new and it sounds like Krimson." "We'll meet again in February and April here at my studio, and by then hope to have enough material to call a full band rehearsal. The plan is to play a few stateside club dates, say in May or June, to fine-tune the new music in front of an audience before continuing to write and record." Who and where is what I want to know and when and how will the dates be chosen and announced? Second, in today's mail I received a catalog from Artrock Gallery in San Francisco. They are offering a King Crimson poster from November 28m 1995 at the State Theatre. It has graphics I've never seen before, specifically, a skull with horns and a crown on its head with an overexposed graphic of the band below, green on red and Fripp wearing shades. Probably will have to order it. That's all for now. Arnie Schulberg ASchulberg at aol dot com _______________________ "To be is to do."- Sartre "To do is to be."- Nietzsche "Do be do be do."- Sinatra ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 22:11:10 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Dietr Miller Subject: USA I I recently bought The 21st Century single, and am very impressed with the live version taken from USA I live from Wilmington Delaware. I thought that was really interesting too, considering I live in Wilmington and have all my life. Does anyone know where that was recorded at? And were is the rest of USA I from, and finally can anyone get me a copy of that? Thanks.... andy Andrew Miller The world couldn't be much more grey, ytsejam at Udel dot Edu Andy died that day. The world couldn't -or- turn away, Andy died that day. The world andym at dreamt dot org could find the words to say "We'll miss you", Andy died that day. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 22:26:21 -0600 From: Daniel Wright Subject: Imports vs. Boots Let's stop this BS and call bootlegs bootlegs! There are legitimately released imports, and then there are bootlegs. The Japan video, so far as I know (which does not mean anything), was shown on MTV and is not available "legitimately". I taped my copy from the original broadcast and am disappointed in that it was not even a whole show (Is there more available?). The salesperson at "one of those IMPORTS stores" was not happy when I mentioned the word "boot", (He replied, "Would you like a bong with that?"; actually, most "head shops" don't have a problem with you using the word "bong", as long as you don't mention what you'll probably smoke in it.) There is a need to distinguish the two. Fripp has been shallow enough to be anti-boot, but little does he realize that most people who buy boots or trade them already have everything they've released. If Fripp (or anyone else) is really worried about boots, let them do what Frank Zappa did, and release everything that was ever bootlegged on CD, from the best copy available, which is bound to be better than anything any greedy bootlegger who will charge you $25 a disc can ever expect to reproduce. Fripp, BTW, is not immune to greed, and taking advantage of those of us who will buy anything we don't already have. The "abbreviated", "compact", "concise", "Young person's guide" and most especially Frame by Frame are all examples of this. Bootlegged, or traded copies of a band do nothing but promote the band. Great Deceiver was an excellent effort and is the best release I own of any Crimson, save possibly for "Un Reve Sans Consequence Especie", which is of the same era - even though the date is incorrectly labeled and the cover art is unimpressive. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 97 11:10:03 -0800 From: Christopher Jepson Subject: Wellsprings 1. I know this topic is not entirely new, but I think it would be interesting to compile a list of songs by other artists that appear to be direct influences on KC songs. I can think of two that really struck me this way when I heard them: - "India" by John Coltrane (off the LP _Impressions_) sounds uncannily similar to the first part of "The Sailor's Tale." - "The Lark Ascending" by Ralph Vaughn Williams (spelling?): Browsing through the archives I noticed this has been mentioned a couple of times, but the piece it reminds me of is not "Larks' Tongues in Aspic", but "Trio." I would love to know whether these parallels represent true influence or only coincidence (but I probably never will). 2. Speaking of larks -- it strikes me as odd in a way that RF should use "Larks' Tongues in Aspic" as a running title for his music. Larks' tongues do make beautiful music, but not after they've been chopped off and stuck in aspic. In fact, "larks' tongues in aspic" seems like a singularly apt metaphor for RF's feelings about _recorded_ music: Enjoyable perhaps, but dead. (OK, I guess larks don't really make music with their tongues, but "Larks' Larynxes in Aspic" lacks a certain poetic resonance, Probably doesn't taste too good either) 3. Finally, apropos of nothing at all, I picked up an LP at a garage sale last year called "Let the Power Fall on I" by the Redeemer Youthsingers of Guyana, a Black South American Christian choir. The LP is from around 1979. The title cut, by Birchfield Aymer of Jamaica, is a quite charming little reggae song that bears no discernible resemblance whatsoever to Frippertronics (except the obvious fact that both are spiritual). - Chris Jepson "now, forget all this" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 18:20:11 +0000 From: grc at cybersurf dot co dot uk (Graham Crawford) Subject: League of Gentlemen diary - query hecker wrote ; *------------------------------------ Subject: burning guitar In the road diary that comes with the Leage Of Gentlemen album "Thrang, Thrang, Gozimbulx", Robert Fripp writes: "I woke at 9:57 having got to bed at 6:30 subsequent to spraying burning guitar over David Bowie's new album and not leaving the studio until 5:00." The tour took place in 1980, as I assume, so could anyone make a guess which album Fripp is talking about? *------------------------------------ Fripp's road diary appeared in a UK magazine, Sound International, Dec 80= issue. Could someone advise me off-list if that published in the CD booklet corresponds=20 to this outline -=20 Restuarant de Volder, Eindhoven. 14.15 May 1st 1980 This is what happened yesterday. My alarm, set for 8.00, did nothing to disturb me;=20 I woke at 9.57 having got to bed.......... continuing thru=20 Eindhoven May 2nd Brussels May 5th 18.30 Brussels May 6th 13.30 Brussels May 7th 12.45 Brussels May 8th 9.45 Somewhere near Cambrai, France. May 9th, 12.40 over lunch Metz May 9th 19.25 Rouens May 11th 17.30 21.15 Rouens May 12th 11.15 Dijon May 15th 22.00 Berlin May 19th 10.15 Sitting affter breakfast...........=20 .......make it worse, Barry cannot afford the =A3290 for a new organ, which= =20 would have been paid for by this one meal. The matter will not stop there. Regards, Graham ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 15:00:29 -0500 From: sid smith <106050 dot 2211 at compuserve dot com> Subject: Fripp and Bowie I think the Bowie album Fripp mentions in the liner notes of Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx is Scary Monsters. The track is most likely to be either Scary Monsters or Fashion. I heard Fripp talking on the Radio and he made a reference to these tracks as being recorded mid LOG gig. The other track on that fine album worth hearing is It's No Game Part 1 where Fripp's guitar is like a bulldozer sweeping everything else to one side. As the rest of the music comes to a halt where hear fripp repeating a particularly discordant riff with Bowie comically shouting "SHUT UPPPP!" until the tape sounds like its been pulled from the machine. I would rank his playing on this album as amongst some of his best. I remember when Fashion came out as a single in the UK and everyone was up on the dance floor, I'd be standing up there bellowing "It's Robert Fripp from King Crimson playing that guitar you know". Whilst to some people this information was undoubtedly useful and life enhancing, it must be said that the vast majority of the popsters shrugged their shoulders in a resounding display of indifference. Seriously though, it would give me a strange kind of thrill to hear Fripp being played on daytime radio and getting to all sorts of people who wouldn't normally ever hear guitar playing such as his. When we spoke to Fripp at his Manchester appearance at the Virgin megastore both he and David Singleton commented upon the relatively poor sales of Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx. They attributed this to lack of Fripp's name on the album. They both agreed with those present that it was indeed a cracking little record and Fripp said it was one his favourites. By the way, The Wire magazine this month gave a list of their favourite albums of 1996. Thrakattak was in there along with the most recent Derek Bailey album and one I can personally recommend, Shiela Chandra's Abonecronedrone. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 22:15:41 -0500 From: Tomas Howie Subject: THRaK aTTaCK I finally found THRaCK aTTaCK; up 'till now I was beginning to think it was a figment of the list's imagination! After listening to it, I'm not quite so sure it isn't! I find it intriguing, interesting, somewhat disappointing while at the same time rather beguiling. I forced my lovely wife to listen to much of it when it first came home -- she definately DOESN'T like KC, in any of its manifestations. I thought her comments were pretty insightful, though. The feeling she has in listening to Ta are similar to those she feels when viewing a Pollack painting: the album sounds to her like a bunch of guys with paint-filled squirtguns spraying a canvas: whatever happens, happens. Interesting analogy.... ************************************************************************ * Tomas * "Language is the light * * West Chazy, NY USA * of the mind." * * tomas at slic dot com * - John Stuart Mill * ************************************************************************ * http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2340/ * * http://members.tripod.com/~THowie/ * * http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9870/ * * http://www.il.ft.hse.nl/~lodewks/jon.htm * ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 23:44:57 -0500 (EST) From: PFripp at aol dot com Subject: Re: Posting for Elephant Talk from Sister Patricia Fripp From Patricia Fripp, Robert's sister. 3 times in one week, when I was on line late at night I received instant messages from people I did not know asking, "Are you who I think you are?" Rather than say, "Do you think I am the well known public speaker? I always ask, "Do you think I am Robert's sister?" The answer is always Yes!! This year one of my goals is to put together a book of "Frippicisms: Thoughts and Quotes from Robert and Patricia." www.fripp.com PFripp at aol dot com *********************** ------------------------------ From: Matt Walsh Subject: Peter Hammill Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 15:11:00 PST Does anyone have Peter Hammill's "X My Heart" album? I am debating on buying it and thought I'd see if I can get some opinions. I'm not too thrilled with the song on the "Sometimes God Hides" sampler. but I like his work with VDDG, and have his "Room Temperature" live CD, which is OK. If anyone can give me a description of the album and their opinions of it, it would be greatly appreciated. Of course, respond to me directly, no use in wasting bandwidth. Thanks, Matt Walsh mattw at smginc dot com ------------------------------ From: charity%creighton dot edu at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 17:35:17 -0600 (CST) Subject: Alive In Japan!:) Okay, I've now watched Live In Japan twice within the last 24 hrs. and I would like to hurl a brick at those who denounced it. *hurls brick* I can't believe that I actually withheld from purchasing it because of comments that were made within this forum. Sheesh! So if you are pondering...just do it...it is completely worth your $20 (or whatever foreign denomination that exchanges into). Okay, it may take a little artistic interpretation as far as some of the camera techniques used, but I hope that we are a mature enough audience to appreciate them. *flips two cents into the primordial soup* Charity ---CAUTION! THREAD VIOLATION!!--- ***AB: Nobody kicks a dead dog!*** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 22:05:31 -0500 (EST) From: FISHBOY Subject: Did Fripp and Hendrix really meet? Hello, In the book from the _Frame By Frame_ boxed set, Fripp mentions that Jimi Hendrix shook his hand after a KC gig in London on May 14, 1969. Recently, I bought the book "Jimi Hendrix: Electric Gypsy," which is considered one of the best Hendrix biographies available. One of the appendices is a timeline of Hendrix's life, so I looked to see if this incident was mentioned (I didn't really expect it to be). According to this timeline, during the entire month of May, 1969, Hendrix was touring and recording in the U.S. and Canada. On the date in question he was recording in New York City. What do you folks make of this? Something tells me that unless Fripp got the date wrong, this tale of Hendrix seeing KC and meeting Fripp may be something Robert made up. ttyl, Andy Acunzo aacunzo at ccmail dot sunysb dot edu ------------------------------ From: "Alias" Subject: Belew - "I am what I am" on video? Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 09:51:26 -0600 Since it's a given that Adrian Belew's "I Am What I Am" is the greatest song every recorded on CD, can I assume it's also the greatest song ever recorded on video tape? Where might I find a copy. Also, I'm willing to sell my soul to the person who can provide me with tablature for same. "I'm sending out my mind to you, you, and you." ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #327 ********************************