Errors-To: et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Reply-To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #326 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 326 Monday, 6 January 1997 Today's Topics: "New" Wishbone Ash/John Wetton Song Available The Mincer and other Lyrical things Inkey Pudge???? Re: Elephant Talk Digest #325 Computers and Frippertronics Questions about Belew solo songs SAOTW Live "Easy Money" lyrics Live in Japan Video / Sometimes God Hides Toby wouldn't be "censoring," but rather "editing," like Hyperbole and Lyrics This is not about Adrian. Dave Cross and Progressive Rock Dead? trolls burning guitar InternetDempcracy/Criticizims and Our Right To It Remixes of Thrak Re: Jazz, Classical, Rock, & robot stuff Cloud About Mercury Question about the Japan Video SAOTW Re: Van der Graff Generator Pierre Favre, latest Fripp Re: SAOTW Live SAOTW Live Drumming Resource Directory ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk UNSUB/ADDRESS CHANGES: Send a message with a body of HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ ETWEB: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ (partial mirror at http://members.aol.com/etmirror/) THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- ------------------------------ THE OFF TOPIC LIST To keep us all sane, please note that the following topics are currently VERBOTEN within the "democratic free state" that is ET: 1. Is Adrian any good for Crimson? 2. Is Toby right to "censor" posts to the list? :-) 3. Posts which essentially say: "X is God" or "Y sucks". Or vice versa. -- Toby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 00:36:37 -0600 From: Roy DeRousse Subject: "New" Wishbone Ash/John Wetton Song Available John Wetton played bass on Wishbone Ash's "Number the Brave" album, released in 1981. A demo version of one of the songs, "Open Road," appears on the official bootleg CD "Archives Volume III". The sound quality is very good, and Wetton's bass can be heard clearly. Information about this release can be found on Wishbone Ash's excellent website, URL: http://onweb.com/argus/ Specific information about this CD is at: http://skymarshall.com/argus/ashmerch.html There is what is said about the Wetton track: "The CD opens with a demo version of "Open Road". The overall quality of the track is quite good and differs from the final version only slightly. You'll notice that the guitars seem to be a little bit hotter in the mix and the vocals a little rough around the edges as compared to the final version that appears on the "Number The Brave" album." The CD is $15 +$2 postage for the US and Canada. You can e-mail Dr. John directly to order the CD at ashfan at ix dot netcom dot com. Personally, I like the CD quite a bit. The sound quality is very good for the most part, and the songs are more varied than many real Wishbone Ash releases. -- Have fun! Roy DeRousse (relayer at inlink dot com) St. Louis, Missouri, USA' ------------------------------ From: Matt Walsh Subject: The Mincer and other Lyrical things Date: Thu, 02 Jan 97 14:09:00 PST Dan Kirkdorffer mentioned: >>And for a bonus question/discussion: am I the only one here who thinks that >>Trey Gunn sings the fast vocal on "Cage"? I surely isn't Adrian Belew's >>voice, especially when he clearly is singing the chorus. Anyone agree? To me I think it's abundantly clear that it's Belew singing the whole song. Listen to his speaking voice during live performances or even "Thela Hun Gingeet". It sounds just like him to me, but I could be wrong. Also, as a little side note. There was a radio program late one night on a local radio station called "On The Record", where they do short statements from band members with songs in between. This week Soundgarden was one of the bands featured on the show. They mentioned that they used to be heavily influenced by King Crimson, but the new album has less of the KC influence... maybe that's why I think the new album is extremely boring... Matthew Walsh Software Engineer - Strategic Management Group mattw at smginc dot com mattmonkw at aol dot com Matt's personal CD jukebox - Currently playing and annoying co-workers with: Victor Wooten - "A Show Of Hands" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 15:13:39 -0500 From: Chris Mitchell Subject: Inkey Pudge???? The excerpt from Easy Money (live): Well I argued with the judge But the bastard wouldn't budge 'Cause they caught me *licking fudge* And they never told me once you were a minor It's a little tricky deciphering Wetton sometimes (still haven't gotten all of Doctor Diamond), but listening w/ headphones often helps! ("licking fudge" - well, the interpretation's yours) chris m. univ of tenn ------------------------------ From: rf2commonground at webtv dot net (Ronald Fuchs) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 13:45:40 -0800 Subject: Re: Elephant Talk Digest #325 First off I want to say Happy 1997 to all of the Crimson fans worldwide! I have been a fans since the early 90's and bought all their Cds in a months time when my friend introduced them to me. I was so happy when Vroom came out! I saw KC at the Wiltern Theater in LA . I believe it was June '95? I missed them at The House of Blues though (bummer). Anyway Bye for now! Ron Fuchs II creator of Common Ground IQ Newsletter for America ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 16:40:55 -0600 (CST) From: Rob Jefferson Subject: Computers and Frippertronics Dear fellow Crimheads, This is my second post in a year and a half to ET; I just tend to download the mail, read, and discover something new about my favorite band. I tend to lurk, but because of a small thread about Frippertronic system development, I decided to ask a question of my own. Are there any programs available that can act as the tape-looping system for Frippertronics/Soundscapes? Since I'm not a particularly good musician, and I don't have the money to spend for the essential equipment to play such sounds, but I *am* interested in playing them, a computer program that could do such a thing would be great news for me. It would be something that (if reasonable priced) I would be highly interested in purchasing and experimenting with. I received a copy of _The Great Deceiver_ a couple of weeks ago for my 18th birthday. I simply love it; although it's not perfect, the high points of the discs (especially "Starless") seriously outweigh the blemishes. One of the things I notice on CDs three and four on my copy is that on the side of the jewel box, the designation "Disc Three" is on Disc Four and vice versa. Wonder if it's on all copies or on this particular one only. One last thing: a couple of weeks ago, I was at a used record shop in Chicago, and I saw a copy of _USA_ on tape for $2.99. Of course, I purchased it, and while the sound quality isn't that great (the Providence show it sounds as if it was based on in _TGD_ sounds much better), "Asbury Park" is a really good improv, worth the price of the used tape alone. Can't wait to see what _USA II_ will be like when it appears. Sorry, everyone, for taking a lot of bandwidth; however, i decided that it wouldn't be such a bad thing for me to post once in a while. Rob *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Rob Jefferson -- Discipline Computing | Senior, Young High School, Chicago, IL| Email:jeffer at discipline dot tophernet dot com | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 18:09:44 -0500 (EST) From: FISHBOY Subject: Questions about Belew solo songs Hello, I have a question for anyone familiar with Belew's solo stuff (that includes you Adrian, since we now know you read the digest). :) Does anyone know if "I Remember How to Forget" evolved into "Dinosaur" or vice-versa? There are several parts in IRHTF that jumped right out at me on first listen as being very similar to Dinosaur. By the same token, how about "This Is What I Believe In" and "Three of a Perfect Pair"? In both of these cases the Belew solo song was recorded after the Crimson song, but who knows what came when in the writing process? Has Adrian ever mentioned if any of these songs are connected to each other? I'm just curious. Thanks a lot, Andy Acunzo aacunzo at ccmail dot sunysb dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 16:04:38 -0800 From: greebz at ix dot netcom dot com (Greg Griebel) Subject: SAOTW Hi- My first post to this great newsletter. Reading the last 2 issues with the disc 'Kneeling at the Shrine' playing, figured I would chime in since this project was mentioned. I recently purchased this disc along with Trey Gunn's 'The Third Star' from Mark at Possible Productions (http://www.rockslide.com/possible) as Christmas presents for myself. None of the local CD stores carried them or even heard of them. I think both of these discs are fantastic and I have been listening to them constantly. I had seen 'Sunday All Over the World' mentioned a few times in this newsletter over the past couple of years and was curious. I think someone mentioned that Toyah's voice might take some getting used to, I don't think so. I think its terrific and blends quite well with Fripp and Gunn's great playing (as usual). I hope they do another disc in the future. If you can't find these discs in your local shops, I would suggest trying Possible Productions, great service. Keep up the great work Toby. Long live the King! greg greebz at ix dot netcom dot com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 97 18:46:51 EDT From: "Pooh Head Bucket?" Subject: Live "Easy Money" lyrics Y'know, I always thought Wetton was saying "...but they caught me LICKING FUDGE (?) and they never told me once you were a minor..." I can't express how much I hope those are wrong wrong wrong... And if I'm right I don't want to know what it means. I'll assume the character in the song is just a raging chocoholic. Does anyone else think that "Easy Money" (around the GD box period) is (musically) the most improved KC song when compared to the studio version? I guess Fripp feels similarly, considering the wealth of versions GD offers... -Tom. Tom Soriano * sorianot at alpha dot montclair dot edu *------------------------------------------ "It's a typical day on the road to Utopia" (insert gratuitous AB reference here) ------------------------------ From: "Drew Nisbet" Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 20:15:02 +0000 Subject: Live in Japan Video / Sometimes God Hides I just finished viewing the Live in Japan video for the first time and I'd like to recommend it to anyone who is having doubts about whether or not to purchase it (I hemmed and hawed for a while after reading some of the more negative comments in ET, but I'm glad I ignored them and ordered it nevertheless). While the editing can at times be a bit distracting (the jittery camera shots I could definitely live without), I can appreciate that the video's creators are trying to show who is doing what when, and with the interplay exhibited by KC, it's a mighty daunting undertaking! Although I've attended live shows I've never been able to get close enough to actually observe the technique employed by the musicians, and I find it amazing to be able to do so when watching the video. Each of the players exhibits amazing familiarity with his instrument(s), and I only respect them more now that I can actually see what they're doing! I sometimes catch myself laughing in sheer disbelief. I'm among those ETers who believe that each of the current members of KC adds something to the whole, and the video only confirms this. Riffs that I had previously believed were played by Robert turn out to be played by Adrian, others I thought were Adrian are Trey, etc. Those ETers who feel that so-and-so shouldn't be in the band may think differently after watching this video. I also recently received the "Sometimes God Hides: The Young Persons' Guide to Discipline" CD sampler from Mark Perry at Possible Productions (http://rockslide.com/possible/) available, I believe, until January 17, 1997) and I heartily recommend it to all ET readers. It's piqued my interest in several forthcoming Discipline releases, including Robert's "Soundbites" and "The Gates of Paradise II", the "Epitaph: Live in 1969" CD, as well as offerings from Tony, Ten Seconds, and Los Gauchos Allemanes that I haven't yet been able to get around to. The sampler also includes several tasty bits and pieces from currently available KC, Fripp, et al releases. A very pleasant way to spend an hour and 20 minutes (and the price is right, too!) Drew. *------------------------------------------------------------------------- Our forefathers had civilization inside themselves, the wild outside. We live in the civilization they created, but within us the wilderness still lingers. What they dreamed, we live, and what they lived, we dream. - T. K. Whipple, Study Out the Land *------------------------------------------------------------------------- druid at inforamp dot net http://www.inforamp.net/~druid ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 23:45:26 -0500 From: James Poulakos Subject: Toby wouldn't be "censoring," but rather "editing," like I'm all for Toby's intention to select what goes in to an Elephant Talk issue. Rather than characterizing his selection as censorship, appreciate his knowledge and the care he'll put into trying to ensure that ET puts out satisfying, useful reading on the topic at hand. It's like a magazine, where an editor chooses what's appropriate and prints that. Of course, make your feelings known, as I am... I support Toby as editor of Elephant Talk. I know I can always go elsewhere if I feel he's editing too much, and I doubt that would break his heart. It's not like we're paying him, after all. This is a labour of love. ------------------------------ From: mnolan at pdd dot pioneer dot co dot uk (Matthew Nolan) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:44:54 +0000 Subject: Hyperbole and Lyrics Lyrics first: > From: "Efun Moyiwa" > Subject: Lyrics On Easy Money (Live Versions) > > I have never been quite sure of the altered lyrics to Easy Money as > performed live (on the USA album for example). It sounds much like "Well I > argued with the judge, but the bastard wouldn't budge, 'cause they called > me inkey pudge (?), and you never told me *what* you were a minor (?)" I always thought it was "'cause they caught me licking fudge" and "never told me *that* you were a minor" but I've never been that good with deciphering lyrics. ("licking fudge" could be "nicking fudge" i.e. stealing - I should go and have a careful listen really). Now hyperbole: This is deliberate exaggeration to emphasize a point. A linguistic tool often used by people in this newsletter (myself included) which is fine, but it often causes people to get hot-headed and write nasty retorts (myself included!). A few deep breaths and a couple more seconds pause for thought could save all our keyboards and 'phone bills (not to mention global warming caused by too many hot heads). Salutations, Matt Nolan. Amendment to my post: I've listened to disc 2 of TGD over the weekend, that 4th line in the Easy Money verse is "they never told me *once* you were a minor" Good guitar playing on this version - some inspired variations in the verses. Or is it "you never..."? - memory problems now, it's old age you know. Matt Nolan. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 12:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan dot Maguire at mercer dot ie Subject: This is not about Adrian. This is a genuine query. Is dissension allowed on E.T.? It seems that every scrap of criticism, just or otherwise, is pounced upon by braying hordes of sycophants. Criticism needs to be addressed not attacked. If we all agreed about everything why would we bother communicating in the first place? Alan. P.S. YOU Santa Claus, yes YOU too can be REPLACED!! The Greg Lake for Santa campaign starts here..... ------------------------------ From: "Brown, Ken" Subject: Dave Cross and Progressive Rock Dead? Date: Fri, 03 Jan 97 11:26:00 EST Now you have got my interested. I won't comment on the whole AB thing, I promise! But I loved the post from Sergi about Dave Cross. I have all three of his solo cds. I would highly recommend either Memos from Purgatory or Testing to Destruction. The Big Picture is ok, but it doesn't feature enough Cross on violin. Memos was his second release and he started to form a band around the release. This release has vocal as well as instrumental tracks (so does Testing) While I have heard that people liken the vocalist (and bass player) to Wetton, I think he sounds more like Mike Been from the Call. Testing see the band in full swing with the addition of a guitarist, great cd. On to other things, its ashame that Richard Thompson thinks so little of his fans as to say 'they're even worse than professional critics' I am glad he realizes who as made it possible for him to have a career in music all these years. And finally Eb has as me wondering why is prog-rock such out of date genre. Please tell me what genre in rock is currently with it and hip I need to know. Could be Eb that you no little of the resurgence in prog? I don't mean that to be nasty, I myself just three years ago didn't realize it. I to was disillusioned with the genre, until I discovered that there is more to prog then the tired old dinosaur bands that are just in for the money. Progressive music is alive and well there are many new and exciting bands creating new and exciting music. Anekdoten and Anglagard from Sweden, Porcupine Tree from England, Cast from Mexico and scores of other bands are not just carrying on the tradition of prog but expanding on it. Pick up Ptree 'Signify', the best cd from 1996, this band incorporates new and old styles in their music making some truly unique, truly progressive. Keep the Faith (in the Music) Ken ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 1997 16:50:36 -0000 From: "Thomas B" Subject: trolls From: Toby >>By the way: after this issue, the "Adrian" thread is off-limits. Bummer, I never got ET-digest #321-324, so I haven't been able to make additional comments, but hey if people want to respond to deliberate trolls, so be it. Fortunately, I don't have to maintain or operate the list--thank you, Toby. From: "Steven W. Sthole" >Although I too grow weary of [snip--I think] The non-Crimheads who worm their way in and bring up irrelevant issues like 'is Adrian good for Crimson' will soon tire of pushing our buttons and slither back to alt.prophecies.nostradumus or wherever it is their heart truly belongs.< I think you mean alt.angst, oh that can't be right either, I forgot you said they have hearts. Now that's a deliberate troll. ;-) --Thomas B. *--------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *--------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 19:44:02 +0100 From: hecker Subject: burning guitar Is there anyone out there who could help me in finding out about the following: In the road diary that comes with the Leage Of Gentlemen album "Thrang, Thrang, Gozimbulx", Robert Fripp writes: "I woke at 9:57 having got to bed at 6:30 subsequent to spraying burning guitar over David Bowie's new album and not leaving the studio until 5:00." The tour took place in 1980, as I assume, so could anyone make a guess which album Fripp is talking about Thanks, Ulrich von Hecker Haeselerstr. 14 c D-14050 Berlin GERMANY fone: +49 +30 301 49 13 Email: hecker at rz dot uni-potsdam dot de hecker at fub46 dot zedat dot fu-berlin dot de fax: +49 +331 977 2795 ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 1997 19:01:07 -0000 From: "Thomas B" Subject: InternetDempcracy/Criticizims and Our Right To It From: leslabb at ptd dot net Date: Sun, 29 Dec 96 23:31:42 -0500 Subject: Criticizims and Our Right To It. >Just as we ET readers have the right to criticize as above, Mr. Belew and whoever have just as much right to post their feelings as well. Nuff Said.< Of course, the rest of us have our email addresses posted with our criticisms/responses/trolls/chest-beatings....) >Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 10:10:38 -0500 >From: CmnSnse at aol dot com > >The responses in ET321 were welcome, and we need more of them. I adore the >democracy of the internet,< [snip] HA, ha, ha, "democracy of the internet", now that is a good one. Almost as funny as "family values" and "common sense". --Thomas *--------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *--------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Tim Regester Subject: Remixes of Thrak Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 20:49:07 -0000 Here I hope, is a new thread for discerning ET'ers. I hope it doesn't cover old ground. Does anyone know of any remixes of the tracks off Thrak. Given RF's tendency in the past towards such dance mixers and makers as the Grid and FSOL, and given the wealth of sounds and textures on the album , it would surprise me if noone has sampled it and remixed it. With or without an added backbeat ( or enhancement of Bruford/Mastelletto's stickwork. Let us all know of any you know of and any ideas of who should do a = remix. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 16:51:23 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher R Palmer Subject: Re: Jazz, Classical, Rock, & robot stuff On Mon, 23 Dec 1996, Gordon Emory Anderson wrote: > Actually, I agree with your comments. This musician I mentioned in the post is > a Jazz musician, so Trane, Bird, Diz and monk are Gods to him (I would think--I > haven't asked him specifically about those names). So it's not really an issue > of status. He (and my Dad) are saw Jazz practically die in the 70s, largely at > the hand of rock and record company scum. I don't blame them too much for being > bitter (and not being willing to listen to the best of rock), but i do agree > that even popular rock has on rare occasions produced some real masterpieces. > > Actually, Mile's description of classical music is similar to yours, and quite > humorous. "If you play something different from the other robots, the other > robots get mad. Robot shit." Heh heh!! I like that. One thing should be clear in all this, however -- I do *not* mean to denigrate classical music itself, just this trend of fossilization in which new music is rebuffed and performers forget that Bach was a genius improviser. All I ever see at Orchestra Hall is "You've heard the CD -- now *see* the CD!!" and that makes me sad. I'm sure Beethoven, Mahler et al. would shit bricks to see their music so disrespected. :) Rock on, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 19:33:32 -0500 From: Emuguy5830 at aol dot com Subject: Cloud About Mercury Does anyone out there know of any albums that are comparable to David Torn's Cloud About Mercury? I picked up Mark Isham's Blue Sun and Torn's Tripping Over God, and both are good, and I recommend them both if you like Cloud About Mercury, but, well, they don't have Bruford and Levin. Do any of Torn's other albums sound like Cloud? What about Isham's other stuff? Have Bruford and Levin played on any other jazz albums (besides Al DiMeola's horrible Scenario)? Matt C ------------------------------ From: Manuel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mor=E1n?= Subject: Question about the Japan Video Date: Fri, 03 Jan 97 18:31:36 PST Can anybody please tell me if the Live in Japan Video is available in regular CD stores, or do I have to look for it in those IMPORTS stores? Could I find it in Musicland, Sam Goody, Camelot or any of those "mall CD stores"? Do I have to order it? If so, where do I order it? Thanks Manuel. Mexico City. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 11:35:02 -0500 From: sid smith <106050 dot 2211 at compuserve dot com> Subject: SAOTW Like one or two others, I really like the Kneeling At The Shrine album. I got this as a cheapie and then only to complete the Crimson connection. As I wasn't really a fan of Toyah's music or voice I had little in the way of expectations. However, from the opening moments of the first track I was hooked. To all you stick / bass players out there take a listen to Trey - really first class stuff and great fun to play along with. Although some of the material gets a bit samey (?), there are nevertheless some stunning moments from Fripp. The albums closer Freedom really is a lovely mournful ballad and Toyah turns in a great vocal performance. To the person in a recent ET who wanted some suggestions as to what to buy next hunt this one out in the bargain bins. I think I picked it up for 4 Pounds (sterling). Re the Bewitched album, I would have to say this is my least played Fripp album. No complaints about the technical aspects of the playing but the compositions seem a bit lame and tired. To me the album comes over as being a bit mechanical in a "if I hit this foot pedal just listen what happens" kind of way. Not one I would push towards anyone really. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 15:52:27 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: Re: Van der Graff Generator >This is not exaclty a Crimson post, but related to Fripp or so-called >'progressive music' I think in certain ways. I am trying to locate >anyone who markets the old Van der Graaf albums on Compact Disc. Old and >recent release by Peter Hammill are readily available, but I would like >to find the following on CD: > H to He (who am the only one) > Pawn Hearts > The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other > Vital (Live) >If anyone knows where these albums are available in CD format, please >e-mail me privately. Thanks. Dear Steve: We carry those titles as well as other Van der Graaf Generator titles in The Artist Shop. You'll find us at . From there, just follow our link to the text catalog. We're also an official site for the Discipline catalog. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol dot com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 21:33:11 -0500 (EST) From: Gideon B Banner Subject: Pierre Favre, latest Fripp I've been looking for about three months for the Pierre Favre album with Freddy Studr and Nina Vasconselos (I forget the title, but I know it's got the tune that Bruford used to create "B'Boom"), but for the life of me I can't find it. Does anyone know where I might get a hold of this? (Or is anyone going to be an absolute sweetheart and offer to make me a tape of their copy, perhaps in exchange for something?) And I thought a few issues back that a couple of people mentioned buying the latest Fripp soundscapes album. I can't find this one either: is it out in the States yet? Thanks, GideonBanner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 09:10:40 -0500 (EST) From: terry kroetsch f Subject: Re: SAOTW Live There was a request for SAOTW live tapes - it hadn't even occured to me that this happened (I thought I read that it never did happen...) but I second the request: if anyone has access to live tapes from a SAOTW tour, please let me know (privately) - tkroetsc at mach1 dot wlu dot ca. Thanks *------------------------------------------------------- no sig! no sentences starting *personally, I...* and I signal lane changes ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 10:07:43 -0500 From: ALEdwa at aol dot com Subject: SAOTW Live Hi I saw SAOTW live at the Town & Country club in London - UK. I forget the year and believe it was in October. The audience was obviously split into Toyah fans and Fripp fans but this didn't distract from a very enjoyable gig. The band were very tight and played brilliantly. I think they played everything from the album. The introductions to each song were very powerfully performed, in fact the band sounded VERY Crimson like. This is the only time I've seen Fripp play in a band that sounded like Crimson but weren't. It's a pity the band didn't go on to do some other projects before folding. Nevertheless I feel very fortunate at having had seen them live. Lorne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 20:23:45 -0500 From: Tomas Howie Subject: Drumming Resource Directory For the drummers on this list: I have axpanded my personal drum web site to include an extensive drumming database. This database includes both on-line and off-line resources: manufacturers, retailers, sites, vintage drums, ethnic drums..... I spent about a week compiling the data, and it is broken down into categories. Please check it out: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9870/ Go to the "Contents" section of the home page, and jump to "Drumming Resource Directory". Here you will find the individual database pages, including a huge on-line links page. Please spread the news to your fellow drummers, and feel free to make any comments you wish, including sites and resources you would like to see added (or corrected!). Thanks! ************************************************************************ * Tomas * "Language is the light * * West Chazy, NY USA * of the mind." * * tomas at slic dot com * - John Stuart Mill * ************************************************************************ * http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2340/ * * http://members.tripod.com/~THowie/ * * http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9870/ * * http://www.il.ft.hse.nl/~lodewks/jon.htm * ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #326 ********************************