Errors-To: et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Reply-To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #315 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 315 Thursday, 31 October 1996 Today's Topics: Virgin Megastores UK: Robert Fripp performances Frame Box/Guitar Mag Beach Boys/Levin? Epitaph: Sometimes God Hides Damage - I found it! Israeli ETers & Crimso: The Motion Picture "Jean The Birdman" single Lady Tiger Schizoid-man-o-lantern KC today ? KC Video Update Belew's Op Zop Too Wah (none) Stephen King? KC lit references Updates response to et314: sylvian/fripp cd's Crimson Grandchildren Tape Paula Cole/ Tony Levin Op Zop & The Mighty Fripp Artist Shop/Trey Gunn Chat part 1 2 for 1 trade ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk UNSUB/ADDRESS CHANGES: Send a message with a body of HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ ETWEB: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ (partial mirror at http://members.aol.com/etmirror/) THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: 30 Oct 96 13:15:10 EST From: Discipline Global Mobile <73064 dot 1470 at CompuServe dot COM> Subject: Virgin Megastores UK A request for feedback from UK ET'ers who can either get down to Our Price or Virgin and tell us if Sometimes God Hides: The Young Persons' Guide To Discipline is visible and audible on an in-store Listening Post. As we have been given a slot in all stores for a month from the release date (Oct 21), we would like to know that we are actually getting heard. Any feedback on this and the availability of DGM releases in general is welcomed. Contact us direct on 73064,1470 at compuserve dot com Robert Fripp will be performing solo Soundscapes in November in the following places: Manchester - Virgin Megastore, November 13 lunchtime Dublin - Virgin Megastore, November 15 lunchtime Bath - Green Park Station Sainsbury's, November 21 afternoon / early evening more information as soon as we have it. Hugh O'Donnell DGM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:08:50 -0400 From: ASFSeattle at aol dot com Subject: Frame Box/Guitar Mag I'm considering the purchase of the Frame By Frame box for the inclusion of live material circa 1981-4. However, I would like more info about the complete set. Can someone reply with deatils as to what specifically is contained in this box (i.e. dates/line-ups,, etc)? Detailed track lists not necessary. Also., looking for info on the guitar magazine that did a cover story on KC, Fripp, Belew, Zappa, Cuccurullo sometime in summer '95 I beleive. I would appreciate the zine name, issue date and number if available as well as the address/e-mail to send for back issues. Private replies please. Thanks, Matt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 14:45:52 -0700 (PDT) From: gondola at deltanet dot com (E.B.) Subject: Beach Boys/Levin? I happened to catch a strange video on TV last night. The artist was James House, and the song was a cover of "Little Deuce Coupe." The Beach Boys (including Brian!) also appeared liberally throughout the video. But the weird thing was: During the Beach Boys' onstage footage, the bassist darn well looked like Tony Levin! Could it be, or am I just lumping all baldie bass players together? (I never caught a good look at him -- he was buried in the background.) Anyone know more about this one? And did Levin ever actually play with Beach Boys in concert? GB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:18:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Cervero Subject: Epitaph: Sometimes God Hides I was stoked several days ago when Sometimes God Hides arrived via the good ole dependable U.S. mail. It's hard to imagine $3 better spent than for this sampler, subtitled The Young Person's Guide to Discipline. I would have gladly shelled out many times this amount just for the live '69 cut of Epitaph, a signature tune of early Crimson and without question the most haunting, mysterious, and symphonic song from a four-man outfit I've ever heard. The entire ensemble of songs of the Discipline Global Mobile is first rate, though it's Epitaph that I find myself returning to over and over. Two queries for anyone who might know. Where and when was this live version of Epitaph recorded in '69? Also, Epitaph is footnoted as "forthcoming release". Might there be a live version of '69 Crimson in the works, a logical successor to The Great Deceiver live release of the '72-73 line-up? Perhaps it's because we're about to enter the comical theatre of another presidential election in this country that I find Epitaph's forebodding "the fate of all mankind is in the hands of fools" particularly poignant. ......if we make it we can all sit back and laugh.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:23:47 MST7MDT6,M4.1.0,M10.5.0 From: "MARK L. JAKUSOVSZKY" Subject: Damage - I found it! Sorry for the gloating, but I figure you 5000+? ET'ers are the only humans that might appreciate this. Location: Virgin Records Megastore: Carousel du Louvre, Paris Price: Way too much (by US standards) but worth it anyway Synopsis: I loved "The First Day" and after reading the glowing reviews, had to have this CD. Everywhere I went, I would "just run in and check", which drove my wife crazy (the forgiving soul!). The crazy thing is; it's a Virgin Records release, and I had already had the Virgin Megastore in NYC check for it unsuccessfully! Customer service, yeah right! (OK, so it was arguably misfiled under Fripp, but still, the stock computers should have turned it up.) Impressions: I concur with the majority here, that this is an excellent example of Fripp working on the fringes of 'pop' or at least a song structure. David Syvian is an outstanding vocalist and the performance has the dynamics that too many of today's artists are sorely lacking. The CD didn't leave my Discman for 6 days. The downside is, now I need a new mission (Live in Japan video?). Sometimes, the quest becomes more important than the objective. In this case, both the search and the searched were eminently satisfying. Thanks, Mark J. ************************************************************************** * * * Mark Jakusovszky markj at atmel dot com * * Mixed Signal Marketing * * Atmel Corporation * * Colorado Springs, CO * * * * "Remember, all generalizations are false." * * * ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 22:18:49 -0400 (EDT) From: claire shindler Subject: Israeli ETers & Crimso: The Motion Picture Hi all. This is my first post in quite a while, as the discovery that there are over 5000 ET members whose time I waste every time I post a message convinced me that I didn't really have anything that important to say. Be that as it may... 1.) I'm going to be living on a kibbutz in Israel starting in December, and I'd love to hear from the 16 or so Israeli ETers! I've got about a zillion questions to ask you!!! 2.) Ever since the HORDE festival, I've been thinking about a stupid game I used to see on the old Prodigy music bulletin boards. Here it is: KING CRIMSON - THE MOTION PICTURE starring Robin Williams as Adrian Belew Malcolm McDowell as Robert Fripp Patrick Stewart as Tony Levin ??? (sorry) as Trey Gunn Jeff Goldblum as Bill Bruford Oliver Platt as Pat Mastellotto with David Bowie as David Bowie John Malkovich as Brian Eno Brad Pitt as David Sylvian and Dennis Hopper as Pete Sinfield I made most of that up as I went but I hope someone gets a kick (or some script ideas) out of it. Sorry for the wasted bandwidth. Peter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Oct 96 23:18:21 EDT From: "Pooh Head Bucket?" Subject: "Jean The Birdman" single Hey all (& especially Sergei) JTB was a 2-part CD single, with good soundscapes & above average Sylvian tunes... I think Silver Moon Digital still has both parts. Anyone knoe (know! wow) if the sucker (either part) was released on vinyl anywhere? Tom Soriano sorianot at alpha dot montclair dot edu ***It's a typical day on the road to Utopia...*** ------------------------------ From: relph at mando dot engr dot sgi dot com (John Relph) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 17:25:10 -0700 Subject: Lady Tiger Eh wot? There's a CD of _The Lady or The Tiger?_ -- John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Oct 96 23:12:37 -0700 (PDT) From: erik simpson Subject: Schizoid-man-o-lantern Recently a friend and I made the trip from Spokane to Seattle to see John Cale. On the way back we stopped in Issaquah for fuel for the trip home. It was a typical freeway-side gas station/snack and junk food establishment. When we went into pay we both did a double take at the jack-o-lantern by the cash register. Rather than carved, it was painted and the image, upon closer inspection, was the face off the first KC album, modified to fit on a pumpkin. We both did double and triple takes to make sure we weren't mistaken or hallucinating. We weren't. Anyone else seen anything like this, or was this just some kind of random pocket alternate reality where the images of Crimson albums adorn pumpkins in suburban convenience stores?!? Some days it feels like Phil Dick was more prophet than writer. Bye, ----- erik reid simpson eriks at on-ramp dot ior dot com http://www.ior.com/~eriks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 14:15:36 +0200 From: L-J Teitelbaum Subject: KC today ? Hi. I'm a KC "convert" since last year. I have a few albums and really enjoyed them, especially the first ones. A few days ago, a friend told me that now KC was just "another commercial band", which "tries to remake the same style of music of in the beginning just for money",... What of it ? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 09:04:34 -0400 From: Tim Foster Subject: KC Video Update Hey gang! Here's an update on the Live inJapan Video for those wondering where it is. I just received the updated Possible Productions catalog with my sampler CD (very cool, by the way) and the news is this: you can preorder the video now. The official release date is November 26, but they expect to start shipping around November 10th. The US NTSC verson is $19.99 and is Possible Productions catalog number #0138V. (PAL Version Cat #0139V-$19.99, Japanese laser disc Cat #0140LD, no price available). I'm putting my order in now! For those who want to preorder I recommend you visit the Possible Productions web site, accessible through Elephant Talk, and check it out. Last time I was there this info wasn't online yet but may be soon. In any event, armed with the catalog numbers you can (hopefully!) go ahead and order it anyway. Good luck! -Tim Foster ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 15:57:23 -0500 (EST) From: Justin Weinberg Subject: Belew's Op Zop Too Wah A few weeks ago, reading all of those rave reviews of Belew's latest offering, I had the uneasy feeling I was being "sold" to. "This is the Belew album King Crimson fans have been waiting for" was typical of the kind of comments we were getting here on ET. I am a fan of most of Belew's work (and I think Crimson with him is much better than it was without him--but that's a debate we shouldn't start again). But this kind of informal marketing struck me as "Adrian has decided not to alienate his core (KC lovin') fan base, since he has realized pop super-stardom is not coming his way." Whether or not this is *actually* the case I of course don't know, but that was the message I got from reading some reviews and previews of his album. For me, this is a bad message, because then I get the feeling that music decisions are being driven by market considerations, when the music would be better if such considerations were left out of the creative process. And if the targeted market was KC fans (who have *great* taste in music :) then if the music was better, the market response would be better, too. Anyway, this is less of a comment to the musicians and more a comment directed to their fans, and its cash value is this: there is a fine line between raving about music you think your fellow ETers will enjoy, and trying to *sell* the music to us. The former is without a doubt a worthwhile contribution to ET. I'm not sure about the latter; after all, ET exists for us, not for Bob, Ade, Bill, Pat, Trey, & Tony. The line is sometimes hard to pinpoint, but just being aware of it will increase the value reviews have on ET. (BTW, with the phrase 'sell the music' I do not mean to disparage the practice of actually putting up for sale CDs you are looking to unload, which is obviously useful to ET subscribers.) With that out of the way, let me share my thoughts on Adrian's new album. To me, *Op Zop Too Wah* is no more like King Crimson music than any of Adrian's other albums. That in an interview Adrian himself, lead singer of KC, said that it is indicates I must not know what the hell I'm talking about. (I fault no one for siding with a member of the band the issue of what the band sounds like.) Nevertheless, I've been listening to it for three or so weeks and enjoying it a lot. Instrumental tracks such as the title one and "A Plate of Guitar" are highlights, though both are too short. In fact, some of the best tunes on the album are too short, tracks like "What Do You Know I", "WDYK II," "Live in a Tree" and "Beautiful." "Beautiful" lives up to its name, a lovely love song. The album has 21 tracks, yet it is only 56 minutes long; with that combination, you're going to get quite a few short songs. I guess Adrian was going for the "leave them wanting more" school of song writing. This format of the album makes it different from previous albums of 12 3-minute tunes he has put out. Like many of his albums, some of the tunes are Beatlesque ("What Do You Know") some are Orbisony ("Six String"--a terrific example of Belew's straight-ahead-but-quirky rock, and a great song). Everytime I hear "The Ruin after the Rain" I can't help think that this is his answer to Peter Gabriel's "Here Comes the Flood." "Word Play Drum Beat" plays a Laurie Anderson-type vocal pastiche over chaotic drumming. "On" and "All Her Love is Mine" are great Belew-songs. The hard-heavy tune on the album is "I Remember How to Forget." And he hasn't done anything like "Of Bow and Drums" before--not what you'd expect. As I think Anil Prasad pointed out, some of the lyrics are clunkers, but for the most part they are at worst unobtrusive and at best quite touching. If you liked his other albums, you'll definitely like this one. If you thought his other albums were OK, but not as interesting as you would like, you'll probably like this album. If you dislike the "Adrian Belew solo-album sound" this album won't change your mind. I'm situated somewhere between those first two decriptions, and I've been listening to Op Zop at least once a day and really liking it. --- Justin Weinberg ------------------------------ From: Balakrishnan at JWTDELHI dot CAIL dot SPRINTSMX dot ems dot vsnl dot net dot in Date: 28 Oct 96 18:12 GMT+0530 dear et tu(s) "schizoid man", `another red nightmare', `starless' .... a streak of resignation and dark pessimism is what KC's music has been shot through and through with. In contrast was the virtuosity of the playing and the flow of KC's music. While the music's laid-back quality may have yielded place to a more forward-pressing, energised feel , is it to be heard as a variety of form alone ? Because I haven't reasons to radically change my perception and assessment of King Crimson. My reasons for admiring them remain the same. In fact, what they offer that few do is the experimental. The various little dances in the Court of .... The uncharted areas like the different shapes of the silences between tinkles and sounds, drumbeats and blares. They are still perhaps to be viewed as an inner-oriented ( some jargon now ! ) group for auditory researchers. Here in Delhi, winter is commencing. Evening temperature is averaging 15 deg. centigrade. Will proceed towards 3 degrees by January second week. regards. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:54:21 -0600 (CST) From: Andrew Harmon Subject: Stephen King? For a man who could publish his grocery list and still sell millions, you've got to hand it to King to make reference to a truly CREATIVE 20th century icon such as King Crimson. I'm gald that Crimson has more literary merits in their songs than most bands. It's what sets them apart from the chaff that's out there, as well as the music (of course). Stephen King, I'm sorry to say, does NOT deserve all of the praise he's gotten on this site. But who am I to say what someone can or cannot get out of what they listen to or what they read. Really. -ammahamma ------------------------------ From: charity%creighton dot edu at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 12:29:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: KC lit references *pouts about the short length of the last issue* One of my latests quests has been to try and discover how many King Crimson (and related groups) references there are to literature in their titles. Here's what I have so far: Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists-- A Connecticut Yankee in the Court of King Arthur Reference: Mark Twain _A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court_ Adrian Belew-- Portrait of a Guitarist as a Young Drum Reference: James Joyce _Portrait of an Artist as a Young Man_ I would appreciate any additions to this list! Would someone also list the address for the t-shirts _one more time_. I really enjoyed the listing of the ETers by country! How fascinating! If any of you are going to be in Omaha, Nebraska, drop me an email. Well, time to return to Foucault *cringes* -Old Friend Charity- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 17:59:10 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: Updates Hello Friends: Well, we had our first IRC Chat last week with Trey Gunn of King Crimson and everything went fairly well. Towards the end Bill Banatt of Amherst, MA, won an poster of the cover of Trey's new album autographed by Trey and the cover artist. Hopefully many more such chats will be ahead of us. Mike Keneally is now part of The Artist Shop. Mike was an integral part of Frank Zappa's band, has put out two solo albums and more recently has formed an incredible group call The Mistakes which also features guitarist Henry Kaiser, bassist Andy West from the Dixie Dregs and Zazen, and drummer Prairie Prince from the Tubes. You'll find all this on the New Label page. The Mistakes have a new live album and video forthcoming so check back frequently for that! Also on the new label page we now have Geoff Downes second solo album, Vox Humana. There seems to be an anonymous guitarist performing on the track, 'Concerto.' Hmmmm, now I wonder who that could be? :-) We've added a new section to the store called Ron's Picks. This page is just to share with you some of the new things you might be interested in and some of the old things we love. Some of the hot things you'll find on their right now include excerpts from the new tracks off Yes' Keys to Ascension, Justin Hayward's The View from the Hill, Deep Purple's Purpendicular and Gong's Shapeshifter + due out domestically (USA) on November 10. So, how are things in your town? Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol dot com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: EB3FCX at EB3EHJ dot EAB dot ESP dot EU Date: 29 Oct 1996 01:58:16 1st. Sorry for my English, is not many perfect. Please, is possible for you annuncing one event in Spain Crimson music, for all users ET's WEB ??? This event is relacionated to the new (Frist), album to the DIFICIL EQUILIBRIO music Group. This is a new formation in Spain, is very influenciated to the Crimson music. Aproximated in Januari is possible, ( I think !! ) the new album is aviable. > Please for mani information to the DIFICIL EQUILIBRIO music, please, Write me , for all the questions ! Thanks for all see you soon !! radix at redestb dot es (I not possible transmision E-mail for this Address) only recive mail in " radix at redestb dot es " Tnx. /ack Israel Coello Manager DIFICIL EQUILIBRIO music --- --------------------------------------------- EB3AGO: Internet Electronic Mail Packet Radio Gateway - DIGIGRUP EA3 --------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: jkress at patriot dot net Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 00:14:40 -0500 Subject: response to et314: sylvian/fripp cd's > Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:22:37 -0400 (EDT)> > From: Sergei Kantere > Subject: Sylvian / Wood / Toyah > Has anyone heard Sylvian's "Alchemy"? Could you leak a few > words re "Steel Cathedrals", an 18 minutes track, Fripp > playing? I'm trying to justify $40 for a Japanese rip-off... i suggest the disc, if you have the money. i paid $31 for it in june 1995 (cdnow (whom you mention below) lists it for $36.99, essentially forty). mostly, it's ethereal droning as a backdrop, atop which syncopatic percussion and piano (well, that's percussion too), and an occasional flugalhorn play ... there are some mini and (too far in the) background fripp solos, but don't think of it as a rip-roarin' "the first day" sort of thing... the official credits for the tune (recorded tokyo, london, '84-'85): david sylvian: keyboards, tapes, digital percussion steve jansen: percussion ryuichi sakamoto: piano, strings kenny wheller: flugalhorn robert fripp: guitar, frippertronics holger czukay: dictaphone masami tsuchiya: guitar "abstractions" > 2. CDNOW has Sylvian/Fripp's single "Jean the Birdman", > featuring one Fripp's 7 minute soundscape, Dark Water, which > to the best of my knowledge wasn't released elsewhere. Great > stuff. Also one unreleased Sylvian's track. bear in mind the cd-5 listed there (cdnow) is one of a two-part part ep (it's part two). i had some trouble acquiring both parts, but it was worth the effort. you can see the other part at one of john's subpages: http://reality.sgi.com/relph/et/index5.html while we're on sylvian, does anyone know what the "promise" part of "secrets of the beehive + promise" is, as listed at: http://www2.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=630965/page=popsearch/lcc=1704+1812+2 ____________________________________________ cd's: http://patriot.net/~jkress/cd-s.htm finger jkress at patriot dot net for pgp key ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 10:27:02 EST From: c62op27 at ibx dot com (Victor Fiorillo) Subject: Crimson Grandchildren Tape Just received a tape in the mail from a ETer in Canada. A tape of Crimson covers by Japanese bands. Ridiculously funny. I would encourage any ETer with a sense of humor to get your hands on it. Also, to the person who sent it, thanks. But I lost your email address and the address on the envelope was illegible. Please get back to me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 13:44:52 -0500 From: shumaker at corrine dot cpc dot cs dot ucf dot edu (Gregory Shumaker ) Subject: Paula Cole/ Tony Levin This is not the most Crimson related post, but here it goes: I just picked up the new album from Paula Cole entitled _This Fire_. On Bass and Stick it features none other than Tony Levin. I guess they got to know each other on the Peter Gabriel tour. This is an exellent album. Sort of in the vein of Tori Amos/ Sarah McLaughlin. This girl can sing, and is one of the best songwriteers I have heard in a while. She truly uses her voice as an instrument on many of the songs. For those of you who have her previous album, I would say that it is a much more mature work than her previous album. The songs have much more depth and punch and The arrangements are marvelous in a subtle way. Heck she even plays didjeridu on a song to give it a sticky, bayou feel. Tony's playing is not in the foreground of most of the songs, i.e. no pyrotechnics here, but his playing is of course marvelous as usual. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 17:55:27 -0500 From: Jazzin12 at aol dot com Subject: Op Zop & The Mighty Fripp I have been receiving ET for several months now and I find it extremely energizing. It is entertaining to read how other KC fans react to new music, live shows and we can't leave out the rumors and personal brushes with the great ones. Anyway, I digress. I am sitting here, at work, listening to Op Zop Too Wah over my little IBM Aptiva speakers (not too shabby). I can quickly discern how important Adrian's role with KC's song writing is to the entire unit. Mr. Belew should be extremely proud of OZTW. I usually find myself wishing Fripp was a quest when I listen to projects such as this, however, AB's effort is quite rewarding. I recently received the sampler from Possible Productions and the solo acoustic Belew song is very nice. I would love to get my hands on the CD. By the way, although I have practically every title that the sampler pulls from, it is such a nice mix I urge everyone to cough up the three bucks. Today, I checked out a sample of the ET T-shirt. My first impression was not complementary. However, as I studied a color copy from printer, I concluded that it certainly conveys what the message needs to say. (Also, a nice plug for Netscape). Personally I would have gone for a more spiritual - celtic look --- stylish. Anyway, my last and usually comment is that I would love to see a project between Fripp and guitarist Pat Metheny. Having followed both musicians' careers for many years, I truly believe it would be most meritous and I expect rewarding for each of them. Maybe if we all pray to the music fairy.... Keep up the good work ETers! Maybe I'll see some of you on the mountain bike trail. Faithfully yours, Jay Jones jazzin12 at aol dot com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:13:36 -0500 From: Otherroad at aol dot com Subject: Artist Shop/Trey Gunn Chat part 1 Hello: For those of you who missed the IRC Chat with Trey Gunn, below you'll find the first half of that chat. I hope you enjoy it. I'll get the second half to you real soon. Gary ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hello folks, glad you could make it to The Artist Shop's first Chat. We're very happy to have Trey Gunn aboard. He signed in a moment ago. I want to let you know about the special Trey page we've set up in the shop. It's at . It's full of RealAudio soundbites from 'The Third Star' and from the rest of his career that you can download during the chat. Also, when you get a chance, be sure to check out our home page at . You'll find the entire Discipline catalog there with cover graphics and soundbites. To ask Trey questions, just shoot your question to Roger so we can do things pretty orderly. Also, much thanks goes to Roger for helping out with this. Take a bow, Roger Llima. Hi Anil, Ethan, Logger, William, Sam, Idh, Sean, Scott, Joe, Bird and Ray. Hey is there anyone here I don't already know? Okay, so... my name is Roger Espel... to ask questions, just send them as private messages to me, and I'll be posting them one after the other on the channel. Later on we'll post this chat on ET. 1st question from Anil: What does the word "music" mean to you? Oh you guys, starting with the tough ones, huh? Music is when the musician disappears. How can the musician disappear? Well they just do. Hit me! Okay.. another question from Anil (that I was meaning to ask too, btw): Why did you abstain from vocals on the new album? Your own that is. My voice doesn't currently convince me. It has in the past, and perhaps it will in the future, but for now......I'm particularly infatuated with the female voice, as one could easily guess. Although I've just played on a new record by a guy named David Rice, from Austin, who has a wonderful, very male, voice. Hi Anil. That also begs the question of how you chose the voices you did use. Do you mean what was the process of utilizing their voices, or why use them at all? Why did you want those particular individual voices. For three reasons: 1. because they were women whom I had worked with. 2. because I felt an affinity for their 'atmosphere' and 'presence' and 3. because the specific pieces called for their specific voices. Alice is someone that American audiences are just beginning to hear about via the internet. Her work on the title track is just sublime. Could you tell us a little about how you hooked up with her and have you done any other work with her? Alice, or how it is really pronounced, a-lichae, asked me to play on her last record 'Charade' after she saw a performance that I was involved with in Basano de Grappa in Italy. This was a show with David Sylvian and Robert Fripp when we were only performing as a trio....and a mighty unsual trio I might add. Also the California Guitar Trio opened the show, and they too played on 'Charade'. Okay... question from Ray: Will you ever tour as a solo artist, put a band together to promote your stuff, etc. ? Yes, I'll be in NYC in about 3 weeks, doing a lot of business and a small but significant amount of playing with Bob Muller, my fellow musician and percussionist extraodinaire, working out some ideas of doing some touring early (???) next year. But I will add, that if you go on tour just to simply promote your record sales, the performance will never fly as high as for other purposes. From Seanmalon: what will the lineup be? (for this possible tour) I don't know yet, Sean. A lot depends on how we actually want to orchestrate the pieces. Because the record was made in the studio, it would be virtually impossible for Bob to duplicate what he has done in the recording, so we have to rethink the arrangements starting from scratch again. Ok, now questions from Sam & Wbanatt: Describe your experience w/Guitar Craft, how did you get involved? That? That could take days. But the short answer...... When I was a much younger musician, I had the spontaneous thought that in the distant past if you wanted to become a musician you wouldn't hammer around on your instrument waiting for magic to descend upon you, you would get smart and contact a master in your specific field of interest and get them to take you on as an apprentice. I thought that I, too, should do this. This thought flew out into the nether regions, Robert Fripp picked it up (as well as others like me) and acted upon it: Guitar Craft was born. For me it began -- May13th, 1985. Okay, big question from Anil : Fripp has referred to the artist-fan relationship as "vampiric." Your e-mail addresses are very public (as are Tony Levin's). Has the Internet changed the way fans relate to artists, or is it more of the same? I can't really answer the specifics of that. I think you would have to ask fans who have spoken to artists. But I would say that, at present, I feel comfortable being available. Robert on the other hand attracts an enormous amount of people whom he'd rather not have over for tea. Is everyone getting your 2nd question Anil or just me? I'm still going....... I can't say much more because I'm only recently reaching a stage of what most people might consider 'marginal success' and I've been available through e-mail for over 2 years now. My guess is that the connection between musicians and audience is becoming more personal. Ok 'vampires'... I can't speak for Robert Fripp at all. I wouldn't choose to use a word like vampiric. And do you see the internet as allowing that personal connection while still giving the artist their space? Personally, I see the internet as a great and huge distraction from my real work. Though exciting as it can be, it isn't easy to maintain my personal presence within it. Ok. Matthew would like to know about your shift from the Stick to the Warr Guitar... Ok warr/stick..... I'll only say one thing about this, and then that is the end of that thread......... While Trey's formulating his answer, I just want to mention for the sake of anyone here on Compuserve/WOW that Trey will be doing a chat on line there at the beginning of November. I am very careful about the tools that I choose to work with. I look for tools that lead me where I think I might be going. My whole musical life led me to the Chapman Stick. And my work with King Crimson led me to the Warr Guitar. When I first heard the Warr, I knew that something was going to emerge with Mark Warr's work and my connection to it. But I also knew that when I first saw the instrument, that this wasn't it quite yet, but something would develop. What this something is, is the 8-string extended range tapping instrument that I am currently playing. It is, without question, the right tool for the job. This in no way says anything about any other instrument, including Mark's other models. It just says what it says. Your disc mentions the 12 string version, too. Yes, on the recording I do play the stereo 12-string. But my current focus is with the mono 8-string. The WOW chat is November 3rd in the evening east coast time. I don't know any more than that. ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol dot com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 02:29:01 PST Subject: 2 for 1 trade From: alstew at juno dot com I am looking to trade Fripp's soundscapes & Exposure for a good boot from the 73-74 era, or similar. I'm also looking for a full size poster of the 'Red' album cover. If interested e-mail me at: alstew at juno dot com Thanks, Al ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #315 ********************************