Errors-To: et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Reply-To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #313 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 313 Monday, 21 October 1996 Today's Topics: ET Distribution Correction on Trey Gunn IRC Chat ELP live in Japan video League Of Gentlemen Programmers and KC Re: Elephant Talk Digest #311 Japan Video out? Red poster around?? Bad quality tape or Intentional Suffering (ask Mr. Fripp) The brightest star in southern skies Letterman King Crimson Live Video- where-for-art-thou? Stephen King's support Toyah - This Is Your Life Waking up Minced distress Elephant Talk in Local Commercial ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk UNSUB/ADDRESS CHANGES: Send a message with a body of HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ ETWEB: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ (partial mirror at http://members.aol.com/etmirror/) THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- From: toby Subject: ET Distribution I thought everyone might like to know how the ET readership breaks down: Argentina - 14 Austria - 12 Australia - 72 Belgium - 16 Brazil - 20 Canada - 150 Switzerland - 6 Chile - 4 Compu$erve - 162 Germany - 110 Denmark - 8 Estonia - 2 Spain - 38 Finland - 66 France - 40 Greece - 2 Hong Kong - 2 Croatia - 6 Hungary - 18 Ireland - 6 Israel - 16 India - 2 Iceland - 12 Italy - 86 Japan - 110 South Korea - 4 Lithuania - 2 Mexico - 40 Malaysia - 2 Nethgerlands - 84 Norway - 24 New Zealand - 14 Peru - 8 Poland - 34 Portugal - 12 Qatar - 2 Russian Federation - 12 Sweden - 58 Soviet Union - 8 Turkey - 2 Taiwan - 4 UK - 368 USA - 3844 Uruguay - 6 Venezuela - 4 South Africa - 2 Total Subscribers = 5514 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 10:59:33 -0400 From: Gary Davis Subject: Correction on Trey Gunn IRC Chat Hello, Friends: It's me again. Sorry, but I made a very slight, but very significant blunder regarding the Trey Gunn IRC Chat. I had said that Jimmy Clutter's IRC server was at irc.progrock.com. WRONG!!!! It's irc.progrock.org. A small error, but big enough that you could be lost without the correct information. Also, according to Jimmy, if you don't have IRC software, but have a fairly recent edition browser that is Java enabled, you may be able to access the chat via http://irc.progrock.org:81/. So, I hope that despite my error, we'll still be able to see you there. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol dot com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 09:17:28 +0900 From: ohsawa at csg dot sony dot co dot jp (Tomoyuki Ohsawa) Subject: ELP Hi Everyone, Two days ago, I went to a concert by Emerson, Lake & Palmer at Nakano Sun Plaza, Tokyo. Remember them from 25 years ago? In the concert, they did their old songs from the frist album as well as from Tarkus, Pictures at an Exhibition, and so on. Lake, it seemed, has lost his higher end of his voice but still sounded great. Emerson still did his knife stuff and "ride" on the keyboard. Life hasn't changed? Emerson even used that synth stick he used 20 years ago or so. Amazing. The difference between KC and the ELP to me is, the former lived through the ages by constanly negating it's old styles to reborn whereas the latter lived through repeating the old songs. I am not critisizing that ELP is an old band. I liked their performance. It is just that ELP gave me another look at KC. Bye, Tom ************************************************** Tomoyuki Ohsawa Entertainment Business Development Department Sony Corporation ************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 21:08:59 -0600 From: Randy Raymer Subject: live in Japan video I have seen several people mention the "Live in Japan" video.Where did you find it? I live in Denver,and no place I've called seems to have even heard of it.Help anyone? Randy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 10:53:01 -0400 From: tHRAksTER Subject: League Of Gentlemen It seems like someone would have mentioned this before, but I don't remember it ever popping up. Anyone notice that most of what Fripp plays on "Oooh, Mr. Fripp" from "Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx" is the fast part from "Frame by Frame"? it's the same basic pattern, and he modulates it up and down, altering it every now and then etc. Makes sense, as in he was kicking the pattern around in his head, tried it out with the LoG, and then fixed it in place for FxF. I also just picked up Eno's "Nerve Net". Pretty interesting. Yes, Fripp's solo in "Distributed Being" is amazing. The phrasing is insane. Generally the rest of the cd is good too. A little more accessible than I was expecting, don't know why. Taylor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:14:18 -0400 From: Peter Fernandez Subject: Programmers and KC Hi there ET'ers! I've been a long-time lurker, but I felt like stripping off the mask today and jumping headlong into the spotlight with an echoing HEY! to respond to the post from Kurt Jonach concerning computer programmers' fondness for King Crimson. Now, I'm no hard-core assembly-man or anything, but I do write code all day, and I have more than one macro named "thrak", so I wanted to share my opinion toward the question posed: "Why do bit-heads like King Crimson so much, anyway?" I can only give my opinion, and thus not speak for everyone, but I feel empowered gnashing numbers to KC. Having my boss walk by my door while "Indiscipline" comes blaring out of my little off-white speakers makes me feel like the mad scientist that Crimson brings to mind (especially Fripp, who even sounds like a mad scientist when you hear him talk- like the guy from those Bugs Bunny cartoons - "never let a monster do the work of an EVIL SCIENTIST!") King Crimson is, to me, the consummate example of intelligence and logical capacity taken to its most irrational and visceral extremes. We know that these men are brilliant minds, but the music they produce is not sterile and calculated (read: Phillip Glass) but organic and viscious. It is repulsive to the untested ear. People come in my office and say "what is THAT?" to "Dinosaur" or even "Schizoid Man". It is also a good funnel for the stress and anxiety that debugging to meet tight deadlines can present. Letting "THRAKaTtAcK" speak for my tension, and in this way help to release it, is very freeing. It's safe to say that KC has helped increase my productivity! Of course, there is the whole "untapped secret" concept, too. Programmers I know love to keep things to themselves- have their own secrets. I think it helps maintain a sense of identity in an environment that's very inhuman- and to many KC represents a dark and beautiful secret- a code that others can't crack, but to those in the know is an endless trove of intensity. Well, that's it for me. I'm going back into lurk mode. Remember, I can only analyze that which I know about programmers, and can therefore not speak for everyone. Take care! Humbly, Peter ----------------------- Peter Fernandez pef at infor dot com Inforonics Littleton, MA ---------------------- ------------------------------ From: "KEITH MYERS-MARTSON" Organization: Rowan College of NJ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:58:12 EST Subject: Re: Elephant Talk Digest #311 In response to man who saw KC in Philly, I was there also , Great show!!!, went backstage after , met talked w/ Belew about new album, Bill said nothing w/ his nose stuck in air sippin' wine from a glass while Trey, Tony, and myself put down a few domestic beers (bottles of course). P.S. Greg Bill never smiles!!!!!!! Fripp is god ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:54:37 PST Subject: Japan Video out? From: alstew at juno dot com Someone mentioned in the last e.t. that the new Japan music video is out , I checked poss. prod. & the artist shop but couldn't find it, does anyone know where to go, please let me know? Thanks, alstew at juno dot com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 18:15:35 PST Subject: Red poster around?? From: alstew at juno dot com I would appreciate it if anyone can find or teel me where I can find a reproduction (full size) of the "Red" album cover? Thanks & E-mail me at: alstew at juno dot com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 23:16:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: stalker at bart dot nl (christian mogul) Subject: Bad quality tape or Intentional Suffering (ask Mr. Fripp) I have bought today The Video but it's hard to watch it : during the whole program red stripes run all directions on the screen. I'm not talking about the blurred effects and glowing things, apparently that was done on purpose. I remember seeing such stripes on very low quality tapes. Anyone has the same problem? Thanx Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 14:45:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Dixie Gene Ross Subject: The brightest star in southern skies Trey Gunn's THE THIRD STAR is truly brilliant! I'm sure this recording will stand the test of time. In Hopi phlosophy it is more important to be felt than to be heard or seen. Bill Bruford's influnence can be felt through Pat Mastellotto on ACQUIRING CANOPUS. Here Pat plays 5/16 over 4/4, creating a worlds within worlds effect - a thread that runs throughout THE THIRD STAR. Very Crimson, and this is just one of the many fruits of the double trio. Dick Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 18:50:30 -0400 From: John Roi Subject: Letterman I know that this group is for Crimso info but I thought that some of you would be interested to know that Yes will be on Letterman's show on Monday, Oct. 28th to promote their new album. Also, the "Live In Japan" video will be available for the US in early November from Possible Productions. I can't wait! John John Roi astropod at snip dot net "Live Long & Prosper" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 14:32:30 -0400 From: "Steven W. Sthole" Subject: King Crimson Live Video- where-for-art-thou? Like several of us, I am looking for the Live in Japan '95 video. Specifically, I would prefer a laser-disc version. I thought someone, several issues ago in ET mentioned they had obtained a Japanese import. If that person could either post or e-mail me and give me the catalog number, the place where this may be obtained by mail, etc. So far, no mention of even the VHS version on PossProd. Thanx. sws at indra dot com p.s. THRaKaTTaK has changed my life. More on this later. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:48:06 -0400 From: Gregory Hindsley Subject: Stephen King's support ETworld: I was recently reading Stephen King's "Insomnia" when I was greatly suprised at what I read on page 92. "Yes, he thought, just as on some level he honestly believes that these Centurions of his are driving truckloads of fetuses out to the Newport landfill. And that the forces of good and evil are gathering in Derry to play out some drama that's going on in his mind. Call it Omen V: In the Court of the Crimson King." Has anyone else out there read this book? I'm open to suggestions on what King was thinking when he included this tangent in his writing. PS: If there are any Phish phans out there that didn't get the new album, get it! It is really good. Gregory Hindsley Moonchild ghinds99 at providence dot edu signaturesignaturesignaturesignaturesignaturesignaturesignature...... "Again renewed by the vessels of Isis, you're ready to fly Although the journey is still far from ended, you gaze at the sky Above the cloudless night, nebulous bright." - Star of Sirius signaturesignaturesignaturesignaturesignaturesignaturesignature...... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 22:42:40 +0200 (MES) From: Ulrich Von Hecker Subject: Toyah - This Is Your Life Hello ETers, is there anyone among you living in GB who has taped the This Is Your Life program where Toyah and RF appeared on VHS? If s/he were willing to provide me with a copy, I'd be ready to send him/her one CD in exchange: (1) KC Live in Germany (Bootleg, 1973), or (2) KC Mirrors (Bootleg, live in Rome, 1973) Best wishes, Ulrich von Hecker ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 18:54:21 -0400 From: Steve Earley Organization: Sojourn Systems Ltd. Subject: Waking up Greetings ETers How is it that I have always felt that Robert Fripp was playing my life? I mean, the very sound-sequence-timbre-god i don't know what?? Actually I know the answer to that question. Robert is HERE. Here, in the present moment being who he is.Thanks to you my friend if you are reading this. The music has become more than music and has transcended the ordinary forms to become real art. Expressing that which is occuring in the present moment for the artist and so is occuring in the present moment for the participant. So, as my life turns and becomes and is, the life of those who confront the eternal in their own lives touches the reality that is common to us all (though there are those that are unaware of it) and we share the wholeness that truly is life. This is the level that Fripp has attained. Passing by the commercial music crap, doing that which touches his heart and soul and producing true MUSIC. Who could ever question the emotionality of Crimson? Of course it is emotional music. The intellect is not separate, in the moment, from the emotional. They are two aspects of the whole which is Life Here And Now. I woke up in the middle of one of the colors tunes on the Essential Fripp and Eno. I found myself laughing out loud. Truly humorous music. Oh Yes Life is as good as it is. HA HA Sorry if I've bored you all Steve Earley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:38:14 +1100 From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James Dignan) Subject: Minced distress >In the most recent Elephant Talk, Dantalion6 at aol dot com noted that The Mincer >was the missing part of the Law Of Maximum Distress. You could get a >better understanidng of the improv if you played: >>The Law Of Maximum Distress Part I >>The Mincer >>The Law Of Maximum Distress Part II >>My question is: If the tape machine "ran out," how come they have the >>missing tape piece AT ALL? This doesn't make a lot of sense, does it? >My guess is (if Dantalion6 at aol dot com is correct) that the tape ran out in >only one place -- in the middle of the improv, at the end of what we know >as The Mincer. Here's another thought... why is the piece called "The mincer"? Could it be that the original tape got 'minced' by the tape recorder? That isn't a clean break at the end of The Mincer. My guess is that the tape got mangled by a faulty machine for a few seconds, and when it came to mastering S&BB Fripp & co simply took the middle section, which had recorded well, and ended it where the tape had been minced, naming it "The Mincer" in recognition of the fact. James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 07:30:32 -0500 From: jimklo at webspun dot com (Jim Klocek) Subject: Elephant Talk in Local Commercial Heard this morning on the way to work on radio station WXRT Chicago... Commercial for local business (The Chicago Sofa Company) featuring as background music...Elephant Talk!!! Gotta check and see what the sofas are made of... ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #313 ********************************