Errors-To: et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Reply-To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #311 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 311 Friday, 4 October 1996 Today's Topics: Re: Robert and sister (fwd) I asked Robert (fwd) Tony Levin's "Road Photos" Book Wanted yet another recent Mellotron soundscapes for orchestra Red Snapper and KC - A suggestion Belew Interview Steely Fan Digest for Sep 26-30 DIY Fripp gig Great Deceiver Box Set THRAK cover Bears/Rob Fetters? KC is emotional New ET FAQ Op Zop Too Wah/ Hard to Find Cd's/Videos Interesting catalog... The Mincer's Law Of Maximum Distress A Tony Levin Story Belew/Sakamoto/Scott Flaming Egghead Hum Hum... Re: Greg Lake Re: "I Talk To The Wind" TAB King Crimson in "Wired"? 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ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Sep 96 11:41:30 EDT From: Clay Gaunce Subject: Re: Robert and sister (fwd) Although I have already thanked the ET'ers who helped me in my search for facts about RF's early years, I have since received additional details from Patricia, the sister, and she has graciously permitted me to pass them along for use in the digest... ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:03:38 -0400 From: PFripp at aol dot com Message-ID: <960928180338_532358877 at emout03 dot mail dot aol dot com> To: CGAUNCE at ukcc dot uky dot edu Subject: Re: Robert and sister << I am certain you are frequently bothered by fans of your bother who often pose inane questions about him and his music;>>> I LIKE HEARING FROM HIS FANS, AND KNOW LESS ABOUT HIS MUSIC THAN MOST OF THEM <<< I understand that Robert was born tone deaf. If this is true, did the condition have any affect on his decision, or your mother's decision for him, to purchase a musical instrument...perhaps as a therapeutic device? >>>> YES, BROTHER AND I CAN'T SIGN, MOTHER COULD, DAD COULD NOT, ALTHOUGH DID PLAY PIANO AND VIOLIN. << she bought him his first guitar while they were shopping on Christmas Eve. As I recall, he was 11 years old at the time. >> THINK THAT WAS RIGHT. I THINK IT WAS MORE COS WE HAD JUST SEEM ROCK AROUND THE CLOCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I WILL ASK BROTHER TOMORROW WHY HE THOUGHT HE WANTED IT. Good luck with your career. Glad you can use some of my ideas. I frequently change articles on website, feel free to tell your listeners if they are interested in Robert to check out his sister's website. www.fripp.com Any of the articles feel free to download and reprint. I think the new look of Elephant Talk is pretty nifty. Fripp the sister. PS Happy to hear from you any time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 96 11:46:17 EDT From: Clay Gaunce Subject: I asked Robert (fwd) ...the second message from Patricia. Incidentally, she asked that I remind everyone to check out her website http://www.fripp.com "for sexy photos of a new award I won." Also, anyone involved in public speaking who is interested in improving their technique should attend Patricia's class in San Francisco next month, during which she will reveal some of her "secrets". ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 11:32:22 -0400 From: PFripp at aol dot com To: cgaunce at ukcc dot uky dot edu Subject: I asked Robert He made up his mind a little while before Xmas that he wanted a guitar. Mother had got all our gifts, we always had a big deal at Xmas. Went out with budget of 4 pounds, and spent 6. Terrible guitar he says. Sold it to our cousin after. Thinks he still has it. Maybe worth something now? Had a new guitar a year after and a year after that. Came to see me on vacation, I was living in Jersey, an Island off France and that is when he decided he wanted to be a musican. He was 18. I was 19. Told Mother on return home and she burst into tears. (She always said she didn't) It had been the plan for him to work in Dad's real estate office, which he did. Then about 21 had no choice but to go to London and do music. I asked when he knew he had talent. He said it has been much reported that he still says he does not know that he has a lot of talent. He just has persistence and works very hard. He wanted to be good enough to work with other musicians better than he was. Funny, when I speak, many people say I have a God given talent, which is not true, I also work very hard at the craft of speaking. Hope this is useful. Fripp the sister. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:09:45 -0400 From: Dantalion6 at aol dot com Subject: Tony Levin's "Road Photos" Book Wanted Hello fellow Crimson fans - I'm looking for a copy of Tony Levin's "Road Photos" book. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Carl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:14:14 +1200 From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James Dignan) Subject: yet another recent Mellotron To anyone on this list who is interested in such things as Mellotrons... New Zealand "once-were-hip-hop-now-much-nearer-the-mainstream" band Supergroove have just released their second album, and it is liberally covered with bits of Mellotron. Supergroove's first album sold pretty well overseas, so the second should be available there too, although their change of direction may confuse a lot of their fan base. James ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:02:24 +0200 From: zeppo at thrak dot pp dot fi (Arto Seppala) Subject: soundscapes for orchestra Hi folks! Here's something for the fearless listeners. I remember someone was wondering how would orchestral KC sound like. How about orchestral soundscapes? Check out a Romanian composer Gyorgy Ligeti, especially his works Atmospheres, Lontano and Lux Aeterna. They're just great. Arto. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:02:50 +0200 (MET DST) From: poisson at club-internet dot fr (Thomas Poisson) Subject: Red Snapper and KC - A suggestion Hello, I would like to mention that one track on the new (and only) Red Snapper album bears significant similarities with 21CSM and Pictures of A City. It is track number 4 "Get some Sleep Tiger", and the bass and sax lines sound extremely KC-ish. As most of you have never heard of Red Snapper, I must explain that this is more a trip hop band than anything else. I've discovered their album "Prince Blimey" recently, and this is excellent music. Recommended to everybody with an open mind (an sensitive to rock/jazz/jungle/ambient fusion played with real instruments). Please tell me if you also like it. I repeat: this is only vaguely related to KC. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 13:32:43 -0500 From: rhino at dbtech dot net Subject: Belew Interview Hi everyone! Just thought I'd drop by and give a little information I recently received from a guy who interviewed Adrian Belew last week. The full interview is available on the Adrian Belew WWW Site (http://web.dbtech.net/~rhino/sbaker.htm). Anyway, the guy's name is Scott Baker and he is the Entertainment Editor for a college in Michigan. He was fortunate enough to do a phone interview with Adrian last Tuesday (9/24/96), the official release date for his latest, Op Zop Too Wah. It's a great article and several Crimson related topics covered. In an E-mail today, Scott reported the following: *---------------------------------------------------------- " He (Adrian) also said that the new KC video (Live In Japan I believe) was remixed and mastered at his house w/Bob Fripp and so on. That will be amazing. The only thing is he said it was at a very early stage of the tour. By the time they were at the half way point, they were beyond incredible in tightness and energy he noted. So it is really an early stage. He told me too that it will be an excellent video for all KC fans and would be appropriate for me (yes, drag me through the fire now, I have never got to see Adrian or KC live!) because he said they did the video so it would be the next thing to being there. Cool, eh? -Scott Baker *---------------------------------------------------------- In the original article, Adrian makes several comments about the Crimson influence on his latest release and it is very interesting to hear what direction he's taking his solo material. So if you havn't visited the Web site in a while and still havn't bought OpZopTooWah, come on by. There's alot going on. Hope to hear from you all soon. -Rob Rob Murphree's Adrian Belew WWW Site http://web.dbtech.net/~rhino BIG ELECTRIC ChAT Archive The Official Internet News Forum for Adrian Belew Fans http://web.dbtech.net/~rhino/beca.htm ------------------------------ From: "Alan Maguire" Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:45:45 +0000 Subject: DIY Fripp gig Hello all, Thought you might be interested to hear about what I did at the weekend. Forget about the TRaKaTTaK test, try going on stage in a Dublin pub and performing something aproaching a soundscapes gig. Myself and a friend played about half an hour of improvised infinite delay loops, washes, and odd lead parts. I was convinced we would be lynched within minutes but everyone really enjoyed it. Its very disconcerting to get such a response to something so minimalist, especially after playing numerous rock gigs to crowds of disinterested people. I suppose it helps that there were a lot of Pink Floyd and Orbital fans there, (and a lot of chemically altered minds too). Well were doing it all again next Saturday night in Slatterys, so if Fripp hasnt come your way recently why not come along. We smile more too. Alan Maguire. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 96 07:08:14 EDT From: c62op27 at ibx dot com (Victor Fiorillo) Subject: Great Deceiver Box Set Is the Great Deceiver box still available retail? If so, is it something I should be able to find at Tower/HMV or do I need to order from another source? Is it the one with the four CDs, the fourth being a totally live disc? Or is that something else? ------------------------------ From: bbacher at harding dot com Date: Wed, 2 Oct 96 5:21:58 CDT Subject: THRAK cover If this question is answered in a FAQ somewhere, I can't find it. Just exactly what IS that in the picture on the cover of THRAK?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 96 08:48:05 PST From: taboyd at CCGATE dot HAC dot COM Subject: Bears/Rob Fetters? Can anyone point me in the right direction to get some information about Rob Fetters of the Bears? In a related note, I saw A.B. in concert at Bogart's in Cinci a couple of years ago on his Inner Revolution tour. I was dazzled by the proficiency of the musicians in his band (what else would I expect!?!?) and got the impression that some worked with A.B. in the Bears and/or the Psychodots. Does anyone have any info on what this gaggle of fine folks, either together or separate, is up to nowadays? Tim Boyd taboyd at ccgate dot hac dot com Denver, CO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 17:59:03 +0200 From: Marco Brucale Subject: KC is emotional In ET 309, GB wrote: >[..] because the easiest criticism you can make of King Crimson is that THEY >play with "plenty of Brain, but not enough Heart." [...] I don't listen to >King Crimson to have my emotions touched. If I want that, I'll listen to >a group with good lyrics. I listen to Crimson for interesting sonic textures, >melodies and rhythms. It's very much a Brain thing. If you think Crimson >is a profoundly emotional band, I think your perspective may be a bit >warped. So many of you seem to judge all music using the same narrow >prog-rock criteria. It really troubles me, and makes me question what >I myself find so intriguing about KC. Oh well, I'm sure I'll work it out.... > >If you want heart, buy a Replacements disc, why don't ya? I always find boring postings that reply almost line by line to a previous posting. But this time I am so extensively in disaccord with GB that I cannot resist. Sorry in advance for my ramblings. King Crimson IS an emotional band. They use brain TO CONVEY EMOTIONS. They are possibly the most emotional band I know, because their expressional spectrum is so vaste that they don't even need to USE LYRICS to openly express themselves. If you imply that music without lyrics is only '..textures,melodies and rythms..' you are missing that these stylistic elements are there to say something. Music is a language without words. Some issues ago I went so far to the point of describing KC as a ROCK band. Well, I find it's true, since their best pieces are those in which they try to express rage,power,movement,tension and furious release. Something that more 'normal' hard rock bands are trying to do since 1971 with a more limited musical vocabulary and I should add, with correspondingly limited success. So, KC is my favourite ROCK band. And an EMOTIONAL one. Sorry for the CAPITAL LETTERS. I like them SO MUCH. AVE MARCO ------------------------------ From: E#KIRKD at ccmail dot ceco dot com Date: Wed, 02 Oct 96 09:54:56 CST Subject: New ET FAQ Thanks to Terry and J.P. the ET FAQ has been greatly enhanced and is now available via ET Web. Comments, suggestions, updates and additions can be emailed directly to them via the mailto links at the bottom of the FAQ page. Cheers, Dan ET Web ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 19:17:35 -0400 From: Edward Banatt Subject: Op Zop Too Wah/ Hard to Find Cd's/Videos Hello Et'ers, King Crimson. Since I heard Discipline, I've been following all the branches of the tree. Robert Fripp has the Midas touch. He also has the uncanny ability to surround himself with the most talented of musicians. Tony Levin, check out his discography at www.papabear.com (I can't wait to hear what's next on his list). Bill Bruford, Yes man. (If Robert Fripp had joined Yes, instead of Steve Howe.....?) Adrian Belew. Listen to Op Zop Too Wah, his latest. A real fun album. Meaty. Personal. Doesn't sound like it was written with radio in mind, like his last few. I was disappointed with Inner Revolution, so I didn't bother with his next. Prior to that I had enjoyed Twang Bar/Lone Rhino, Desire caught by the Tail, and the two - Mr. Music Head and Young Lions to a lesser degree. Op Zop will surprise, and it's a breath of fresh air. Adrian, where have you been? (Devoting all your best writing to Crimson) My copy is a week old now, and I really enjoy it. _Modern Man Hurricane Blues_ is a hint at where the next Crimson may be headed. _I Remember How to Forget_ is a song written for Crimson, but wasn't double trio compatible. Try it, you'll like it. If you have trouble finding this or other Fripp/Crimson/Belew cd's/videos do a search at www2.cdnow.com you'll be surprised what you'll find there. "Achille's mother dipped him in the River Stynx until he became intolerable. " --from Omnibus Boners by Dr. Seuss Edward Banatt Fairlawn, NJ ebanatt at internexus dot net http://www.wp.com/EBANATT/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 20:29:15 -0400 From: Gregory Hindsley Subject: Interesting catalog... ET'ers: I just received my "ET" t-shirt and am extremely pleased with the production and quality. I have info on the "Genesis Collector's Magazine" Issue One which I just received. I costs $15.00 for one year (four issues, next one in December). It has CD's, tapes, vinyls, 8-tracks(!!), and assorted merchandise. There is a plethora of Genesis/solo material, a page of Yes/solo stuff, and other progstuff. It does have a quantity of the new KC "Schizoid Man" 5-track single on CD. If anyone is interested, the address: The Musical Box PO Box 231, Epsom, Surrey, KT19 0YQ, Great Britain (ATTN: Peter Scriven) Tel./Fax.: (0044) 0181-786 8286 e-mail: themusicalbox at BTinternet dot com They don't need payment until December, so send a SAE to this address and enjoy! Hello all KCheads in Philadelphia, Gettysburg, South Jersey (Rowan College), and Providence. P.S. saw KC in Philly in August, great show, I think I saw Bill smile!...excellent performance of "21stCSM" missed them on HORDE Gregory Hindsley ghinds99 at providence dot edu signaturesignaturesignaturesignaturesignaturesignaturesignature...... "Outside the cage I see my brother John, he turns his head so slowly round, I cry out help! before he can be gone, but he looks at me without a sound...and I cry out"John please help me"but he does not even want to try to speak..." - Peter Gabriel signaturesignaturesignaturesignaturesignaturesignaturesignature...... ------------------------------ From: "Weissenburger - Jeremy S." Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 22:58:21 -0400 Subject: The Mincer's Law Of Maximum Distress In the most recent Elephant Talk, Dantalion6 at aol dot com noted that The Mincer was the missing part of the Law Of Maximum Distress. You could get a better understanidng of the improv if you played: The Law Of Maximum Distress Part I The Mincer The Law Of Maximum Distress Part II My question is: If the tape machine "ran out," how come they have the missing tape piece AT ALL? This doesn't make a lot of sense, does it? Also, why couldn't Fripp tack the Mincer onto the improv? If these are the missing minutes, he could have pasted them on, right? And there surely must be a way (from the masters) to remove the vocals, so we can hear the song in its true form. Something doesn't sound right here... --Jeremy ------------------------------ From: John Kaefer Subject: A Tony Levin Story Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 23:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Hello all! I just wanted to write and tell you about a wonderful expierence I had this past weekend. I go the Eastman School of Music and they held a pop symposium with tons of lectures and demonstrations about "rock" music of today. There were talks on Barry White's masculinity in the 70's, on Bohemian Rhapsodies' influence on rock music, and Genesis harmonies in Selling England by the Pound. But the BEST lecture over the weekend was given by Tony Levin. He opened up his talk mentioning how he used to sit in the halls of the school and just watch people walk by. He also mentioned that he received an award from the local cafe (it isn't there anymore) for eating the most cheesburgers and coffee in a four year period. I was very impressed! =) After the joking around, he got down to business and discussed his role in the music industry. He talked about playing with Lennon, Gabriel, Buddy Rich, and of course, Crimson. He talked how he decided to play rock music rather than classical. "I was playing in the RPO (Rochester Philharmonic Orchestra) and I just thought, this isn't for me. I then quit after the season was over and moved to NYC." (that was not a direct quote, but it was basically what he said) What he said really connected with me and lots of other people at Eastman. Eastman is a classical conservatory which rarely acknowledges popular music. When I am talking to people about KC, they are like "who"? My piano professor hadn't even heard of Peter Gabriel!! He is a great man, but when it comes to popular music many conservatory (Eastman is not alone) professors lack knowledge of anything but classical music. That is the reason why Tony's talk meant so much to me. The fact that a product of a music conservatory wanted to come back to talk to the people who shunned his music is brave. Maybe in 20 years, the classical world will realize that "rock" music of ALL types is good. Tony's lecture helped bind these two worlds together. Other points of the lecture that were interesting was his talk on how to start an independent record label, (he referred to his new label, Papabear Records) opinion of touring with bands other than KC, and the attitude of musicians in the rock industry. Overall, the talk was excellent. Afterwards, I went and talked with Tony about the future of KC (they're going to start writing soon - he is not sure when a new record would come out) and how he liked Eastman when he was a student. He was extremely kind and patient and very entertaining. If any of you have a chance to hear him talk, go! You won't be sorry!!! Best Wishes, John p.s. - my fiancee was wondering if any women subscribe to ET or visit their web page. She thinks that all KC fans are men. If there are any women who read this list, please drop me a line. Thanks!! =) ------------------------------ From: "C. ARMOUR" Organization: University of Leeds Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:25:14 GMT0BST Subject: Belew/Sakamoto/Scott Does anyone remember an album Adrian recorded with Ryuichi Sakamoto and the vocalist from the pop group 'M'? I believe his name was Robin Scott. It must have been around 1981/82. An unusual, experimental project, lots of effects and animal noises. The cover showed face shots of the threesome covered in powder paint and wearing headbands. Richard Gill (no e-mail address so c/o c dot armour at leeds dot ac dot uk) ------------------------------ From: Matthew Nolan Date: Thu, 3 Oct 96 11:52:25 BST Subject: Flaming Egghead It appears I have been misconstrued: In ET #310, gondola at deltanet dot com (E.B.) writes >I love "odd" time signatures, as 4/4 just gets so stale and boring. You can >add so much edge to a piece simply by utilising one. >If more bands and radio stations would put out this kind of stuff, then the >world may become more discerning with its ear, thus encouraging more bands >and radio stations to put out this kind of stuff, then ... Well, here we certainly have the prog-rock mentality in a nutshell...complexity for its own sake. Music with unconventional time signatures isn't a "kind of stuff." Saying you like this "kind of stuff" is sorta like saying, "Hey, I like songs written in the key of B minor!" Sorry, I accidentally left my Egghead Detector on. ;) In my defence I would like to quote from my reply to another ETer regarding his offer of "complex" midi files: Sounds a bit like our bass player - he's very good at writing little pieces with ever changing time sig's... ...Generally we'll take a bit of it with only two or three changes and use it somewhere, but it has to sound good - not just like an exercise. I have listened to other "prog" bands and most of them are bloody awful - "complexity for its own sake" "kind of stuff!" They tend to lack the musicality and cohesion you find with Crimson (or even Gabriel era Genesis). I don't think I have "the prog-rock mentality" - I'm too young to have been exposed! Several sandwiches, a sausage roll and a thermos flask short of a picnic I may be, but Egghead I am not. Kinda Stuffed, Matt Nolan. P.S. Thanks to other ETers for info on the Japan Video. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:31:22 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme Subject: Hum Hum... Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" Biffyshrew says I own a Japanese LP copy of Larks' Tongues In Aspic that has RF's picture captioned "Robert Flipp" on the insert. Remember that Japanese don't have "r". The sound is commutted in another more like "l". So is is no big deal that someone translating ii in a record company, knowing nothing of the band, turned it into "Flipp". Olivier ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:30:46 -0400 From: jmc at sdr dot utias dot utoronto dot ca (James MacKenzie Crawford) Subject: Re: Greg Lake > Lets stop the Belew bashing, every version of Crimson is different and I > doubt any of the major singers (Lake, Wetton or Belew) could have sung the > other songs well. Can you really see 80 Crimso singing lyrics like Wetton > or Lake sang. hell no, Belew brought humor to the band something they > needed to survive in the 80s. He has a fine voice, sure he's no Greg > Lake, but who is? No, Cadance and Cascade on FBF proves - Adrian rules! Besides, Greg Lake smokes way too much to expect the everlasting vocal range. BTW, how many other other people out there are having a great time getting into Op Zop Do Wah? James C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 16:06:18 +1200 (NZST) From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: "I Talk To The Wind" TAB Christopher Carl Heckman did the hard work and typed in: >"I Talk To The Wind" by King Crimson, from _In The Court Of The Crimson >King_ (McDonald / Sinfield) >E C G F#m B >Said the straight man to the late man, "Where have you been?" >E C G F#m B >"I've been here and I've been there, and I've been in between." >E Bm E Bm E Bm >I talk to the wind, my words are all carried away, I talk to the wind, >A Bm A Bm >The wind does not hear, the wind cannot hear. hmmm... I've always played it like this: E G D Bsus4 B E G D Bsus4 B E Bm7 E Bm7 E Bm7 Am7 B Am7 B with the instrumental intro being: E C Bm F#m B7 James ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 21:42:34 -0400 From: "Richard G. Bunker, Jr." Subject: King Crimson in "Wired"? All, My wife Adrienne is a journalist. She is really pretty close (made it through three hoops only to get shot down at the fourth and final level) to getting Wired magazine to run an a= rticle about King Crimson. Below you'll find some of the latest correspondence that she has had with Wired (names and e-mail addresses and phone numbers excised). They are still interested, but need some sort of "hook" to show how King Crimson is an especially "Wired" band (you define that for yourselves, I'm sorry to say that I can't). This is an appeal for ideas -- any good ones out there? Adrienne Dale Redd wrote (to people at possible productions): > > Hi, > > Thanks for your thoughtful feedback of Sept. 5. I was waiting until I > heard from WIRED to get back to you. Yes, I have gotten the promotional > materials, by the way; and no, WIRED has not recently done a feature on > King Crimson. > > The editors have turned down my initial pitch (which I enclose as an > attachment), but were sufficiently impressed to ask me to put it another > way. Do you know WIRED magazine at all and can you help me come up with > another "sexy" approach in order to interest WIRED in a feature on King > Crimson? > > Incidently, the CC is to my husband, Rick Bunker, who is the real King > Crimson devotee in the family and who was enthralled by the concert at > Muhlenberg. > > Warm regards, > > Adrienne > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: King Crimson > Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 13:00:12 -0700 > From: @wired.com (Ted) > To: Adrienne Dale Redd > > Hi Adrienne, > > I just heard back from the features editor to whom I forwarded your pitch. > His answer was no, and the reason was that "a lot of bands use technically > sophisticated instruments and offer Web pages for their fans." But he was > interested in knowing if you thought you could come up with a better angle > and a stronger hook on the King Crimson idea. Let me know if you have any > other ideas for this piece or any others. > > Thanks, > Ted > Wired Submissions > > >Dear Ted, > > > >I have not heard from (and do not know the name of) the features editor > >to whom you relayed my proposal to do a profile on King Crimson. Please > >pass his or her name on to me. I am very enthusiastic about proceeding > >with the article. > > > >Thank you, > > > >Adrienne Redd > > > _____________________________ > ted > WIRED magazine > editorial assistant > @wired.com > _______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Here is the original pitch that Adrienne sent -- that they turned down. Please remember that this is a PITCH for an article, not the article -- it is meant to be full of vagaries and simplifications -- rb. King Crimson -- technological innovators in music and communications As synthesizer and mellotron pioneers, the members of the progressive rock band King Crimson (http://www.rockslide.com/crimson/) have always been on the cutting edge of music and technology. They use state-of-the-art technology to create their music, and to conduct business and communicate with their fans. Several of the band members maintain their own WWW home pages, and the production companies that the band owns, Discipline Records (http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/etframe.htm) and Possible Productions (http://rockslide.com/possible/), publicize the band and sell CDs and merchandise over the web. Elephant Talk (http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/) is the online magazine devoted to King Crimson and Robert Fripp. The Internet chat on the band is extensive and knowledgeable. The intellectual and creative heart of the band, Robert Fripp (who has played with the likes of David Bowie), invented a system of guitar synthesizers and signal processing computers that he calls "Frippertronics." He has also produced albums for a number of other musicians, including the Roches and Brian Eno. On the band's recent tour Fripp worked with a computer rack four feet high and three feet wide to manipulate the sound of his guitar and to create ambient feedback loops he calls, "soundscapes." Fripp also teaches his own style of guitar playing and advocates his modestly-named (grin) "new standard tuning" at his guitar craft courses. Adrian Belew (http://web.dbtech.net/~rhino/ and http://www.iglou.com/hermit/adrian/) guitarist and vocalist for King crimson is a well-known computer music innovator, using his guitar as a MIDI input device to generate, for example, a piano sound from guitar playing. He also uses an oscillating magnetic field to play the guitar and have it sound like it is being played with a violin bow. He has played with Frank Zappa, Laurie Anderson and David Bowie. Wired did a story on Laurie Anderson October 25, 1995 on the occasion of the release of her album "Bright Red" and Adrian Belew played on that album. Drummer Bill Bruford (http://www.cis.umassd.edu/~eggs/KingCrimson/) =97 also known for his work with the band, Yes =97 uses as many electronic as he does physical drum heads and uses electronics to play musical tones on his drum kit. His own organic software is among the finest in world and allows him to guide the complex time signatures of the band, including, 5:4, 6:8, 7:8, 11:8, 13:8 and 15:16. Bill=92s work is complemented in King Crimson by Pat Mastelotto, who was also the drummer for Mister Mister. Tony Levin =96 who maintains his own WWW page (http://www.papabear.com) plays Chapman stick for King Crimson, Peter Gabriel and others, and invented "funk-fingers"; an avante garde extension of the player's fingers that create a hybrid between the bass guitar and drum effects as both of the player's hands percuss the strings on the fret board. Trey Gunn is arguably the world=92s premiere Warr guitar player (http://www.deltanet.com/warr/index.html). Mark Warr, inventor of this groundbreaking guitar/bass/stick combination, thinks enough of Trey Gunn to have his picture on the guitar company=92s home page. Having just completed an international tour, including a whole new audience on the HORDE tour, King Crimson is working on a new album to be released in January of 1998. Trey Gunn's new record, Third Star, was just released. Adrian Belew=92s next album "OP ZOP TOO WAH" will be released September 24th. The band has had a devoted following for nearly thirty years because it combines the best of virtuosity worthy of classical music with electronic innovation and the joyousness of rock and roll. Similarly, the Internet presence of the band combines human contact with the communication tools which make that contact possible. -- Rick Bunker rick at bunker dot com http://www.bunker.com/~rbunker PGP keyID =3D B6CB9C4D Original keyserver (most keys are on it) is at : http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 06:13:46 -0400 (EDT) From: terry kroetsch f Subject: Lady or the Tiger Funny story: upon request by an ET-er from Sweden, I had proceeded to take my vinyl version of Fripp/Toyah Lady or the Tiger to a photo copy machine--he wanted a copy of the liner notes to accompany his cassette. Somehow I lost to record - I believe I drove off with it on top of my car This was a year ago and I have just found another copy. If you are out there, Swedish friend, let me know. The offer still stands! Anyone else? Buy Trey Gunn Third Star, Buy Trey Gunn Third Star, Buy Trey Gunn Third Star If you haven't heard the aall Japanese Crimso-cover tape "King Crimson's Grandchildren" your are missing something pretty hysterical. ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #311 ********************************