Errors-To: et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Reply-To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #309 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 309 Monday, 23 September 1996 Today's Topics: sit/stand:yanks/brits Tony Levin 1972 session project Sign of the Times RF OBJECT LESSON FOR ET'ers Wanted: Dinosaur Re: Brains and Heart Thrak/Beatles Re: Sylvian/Fripp KC and IRC Talking Heads Connections Re: Mellotron/voices/Mike Giles 10 Secs. Bennett's Inaugural Address at Sherbourne House Damage QVC / GONG KC/XTC Revisited Mujician/Keith Tippett Double Trio Opposing View Re: Talking Heads & King Crimson Schizoid '96 Tapes? Guitar Craft on tour in Germany Alright already with the vo Re: Jars of Clay/KC, Christi ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk UNSUB/ADDRESS CHANGES: Send a message with a body of HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ ETWEB: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ (partial mirror at http://members.aol.com/etmirror/) THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:45:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "M. S. AtKisson" Subject: sit/stand:yanks/brits Somewhere in the booklet accompanying the "Young Person's Guide" album, Fripp comments on the 70's American tour. He says something to the effect that he found the responsiveness (noise? dancing?) of the American crowds to be quite different from the politeness of the British audiences. At the time, at least, he seemed to like our exuberant behavior. I watch closely, listen with my eyes closed, or dance, as necessary. Peg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 07:57:06 -0700 (MST) From: Bill Lantz Subject: Tony Levin 1972 session project While surfing around a few days ago I found this interesting project by Elliot Randall which involved Tony Levin. I downloaded the sound samples and want to hear more. It would seem that Elliot Randall is releasing alot of his early projects on a forthcoming CD. Here's the info for the song I found: ######### WORK SONG Elliott Randall (Guitar) Steve Gadd (Drums) Tony Levin (Fender Bass) Victoria Berdichevskaya (Percussion) The Oscar Brown Jr. classic! "...Breakin up big rocks on the chain gang..." Recorded and mixed by: Jon Fausty Autumn 1972 Good Vibrations Studios, NYC ######### The URL for Elliot's homepage is: http://www.elliott-randall.com/ Anybody have more info on this collaberation? Was anything ever released? Bill ------------------------------ From: Matthew Nolan Date: Fri, 20 Sep 96 11:03:41 BST Subject: Sign of the Times In ET #307 and earlier there have been comments regarding "odd" time signatures, western ears and dancing. (sorry this mail isn't particularly KC-specific) I love "odd" time signatures, as 4/4 just gets so stale and boring. You can add so much edge to a piece simply by utilising one. The exact type of edge depends upon the exact time you use. It does frustrate me that the western public are 80 - 90 percent adverse to listening to such music. I had a friend who thought his CD player was skipping when he first heard "Dance on a Volcano" by Genesis. The good news is that after an intensive treatment course (of Genesis/KC/Frank Zappa) he now enjoys "more interesting" music and is no longer fulfilled by the incessant 4/4 (with very occasional 6/8) of UK primetime radio. So, only a small amount of education is needed to overcome this aural prejudice. I play drums in a band and we enjoy getting the crowd going with a "normal" time signature and then switching mid-song to 5, 7 or 11/8 (strange how we've missed out 9 - but we do have a piece with alternate bars of 15 and 16/8). Some of them can still "move with the music" but most just stand there looking bewildered, some even believe us to have made a mistake! If more bands and Radio stations would put out this kind of stuff, then the world may become more discerning with its ear, thus encouraging more bands and radio stations to put out this kind of stuff, then ... I call out to all the musicians and "music industry" people to follow the Crimson King's example; produce music for the sake of music, not money and fame. Eventually, the world may come round - first time signatures, then polyrhythms, maybe even dischord. Don't paint with half a pallette! I think I've ranted enough, I hope some of you are more inspired. Thanks, Matt Nolan (insane musician, well drummer at least). P.S. Anyone know the release date for the forthcoming DGM KC-Japan-95 video? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 19:48:07 EDT From: Clay Gaunce Subject: RF Having received no response to original message, I'm resending in hopes of a response from an authoritative source. As a subscriber and reader of ETD, I must say it appears doubtful that those who post items will be any better in- formed about this than am I. Please forward my inquiry to a truly knowledge- able source, or advise me as to where I should submit it. Thank you. ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hello. I have been searching and searching the web for a biography including early information about Robert Fripp. I found a little "Background" in David Sylvian's page, and elsewhere learned that he was apparently born 5/16/46 in England. But where in England? And where was he educated? What did he do between age 11, when he began playing guitar, and 1969? How did he and Peter Sinfield meet, and what circumstances surrounded their split? etc., etc. Can you point me somewhere, please? Perhaps there's a FAQ list I've missed... Thanks. ------------------------------ From: Stuart Wugalter Date: Sep 20, 1996 20:11:29 Subject: OBJECT LESSON FOR ET'ers 1) Stand in front of a mirror. 2) Repeat out loud: "I am *not* a member of the band King Crimson. If I don't like the CD, I don't have to buy it. If I don't like the concert, I don't have to buy a ticket. If I don't like the music, then I don't have to listen. Instead, I can form my own musical group and do it the way *I* want to." The sextet was great at the Greek in Los Angeles. I think Adrian sang: "...arrive in Los Angeles..." in Neurotica. :) I talked to a guy at Possible Productions who also saw the 80's show at the same venue. We decided that comparing the 2 concerts was like comparing apples and oranges. It appeared to me that the on-stage stars are Adrian and Tony (I forgot how much fun I had watching Tony last time!). Professor Fripp is what 50? I did not mind at all seeing him sit in the back. If I want to see him play, then I watch the RFSQ tape I have. Highly recommended! Trey Gunn and RF are amazing on this video and this seems more like Roberts group where he is more out front. BTW, I wonder what it would be like to here the RFSQ do the last 2 cuts from Islands! What would Mark Charig's cornet solo sound like translated into a Warr guitar? Oh well, I might have to do it myself, huh? peace & humility Stuart E. Wugalter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:16:50 -0800 From: firefly at gvn dot net Subject: Wanted: Dinosaur Recently it was my birthday (thunderous applesauce!) and I became the proud recipient of two copies of the "Sex, Sleep, Eat, Drink, Dream" single. Although I consider myself fortunate to have a copy (the live version of "Walking On Air" is, IMMHO, exquisite), I do not need two. I've heard that Possible Productions has just sold their last copy of this single. I am, however, interested in getting a copy of the "Dinosaur" single (even a badly used copy, so long as "Cloudscape" plays well). I saw KC in Berkeley. There Fripp played a scape analagous to "Cloudscape" - which is why I'm so keen on having the "Dinosaur" single. If there's anyone out there interested in making such a trade, please let me know. My "SSEDD" single for trade is still wrapped in the plastic it came in. -- Tommy Kochel, Sacramento, California =46irefly "Take two crows and caw me in the morning." *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* http://www.gvn.net/~greyowl/witch/witch.html (Black Witch FAQ) http://www.gvn.net/~greyowl/warrior/warrior.html (The Way of the Warrior) http://www.gvn.net/~greyowl/ravens/ravens.html (The Raven's Guild) =8D *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 02:35:28 -0700 From: gondola at deltanet dot com (E.B.) Subject: Re: Brains and Heart >From: Chris Palmer > >A couple of issues back I made some comments about the Kronos Quartet being >too stiff and unemotional in their interpretation of Hedrix's "Purple >Haze." For the most part, I stand by what I said. However, as you will >see below, I have come to realize that certain of what I said was a bit >rash. I hope you will excuse my irrationality and consider my assertion: >that the KQ play with plenty of Brain (a GOOD thing) but not enough Heart >(not so good). It's odd that Chris says this, because the easiest criticism you can make of King Crimson is that THEY play with "plenty of Brain, but not enough Heart." I'm sure most of you will disagree with this, but that's because you're KC fanatics. Out in the real world, the common view on Crimson is "Egghead City." And it's a justified complaint. I mean, even you folks grumble about how cold Fripp is. I don't listen to King Crimson to have my emotions touched. If I want that, I'll listen to a group with good lyrics. I listen to Crimson for interesting sonic textures, melodies and rhythms. It's very much a Brain thing. If you think Crimson is a profoundly emotional band, I think your perspective may be a bit warped. ;) So many of you seem to judge all music using the same narrow prog-rock criteria. It really troubles me, and makes me question what I myself find so intriguing about KC. Oh well, I'm sure I'll work it out.... If you want heart, buy a Replacements disc, why don't ya? GB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 11:26:15 GMT From: crimson at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk (Mike Dickson) Subject: Thrak/Beatles theslammer at worldnet dot att dot net wrote... > - Dinosaur - vocals on chorus very Lennonish > Also the bassline is VERY McCartney And as anyone knows, McCartney ripped his basslines off Brian Wilson. :) *------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Dickson, Black Cat Software Factory, Scotland : Fax 0131-653-6124 crimson at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk : Columnated Ruins Domino *------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 08:23:03 -0500 (EST) From: Martin Patrick Kennedy Subject: Re: Sylvian/Fripp Just mentioning (and I'm sure that it's been mentioned a million times before) that David Sylvian and Robert Fripp's CD The First Day is without a doubt one of the greatest Fripp CDs out there. The last seven minutes of 20th Century Dreaming are the most amazing thing I've ever heard. Likewise, if you can manage to get your hands on to the limited-edition Damage CD (a live concert CD) by Sylvian/Fripp, you will not be disappointed. It is my favorite CD (KC included) and Fripp's playing is unlike any I have ever heard in my life. ------------------------------ From: "J.Serlav\ss" Subject: KC and IRC Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 18:08:16 +0200 Hello from Catalunya. I subscribed ET some weeks ago, and I don't know if someone else has mad= e this question before: Is there any IRC channel for Crimheads? I've talked with some, but we are all scattared in different channels, and it's difficult and annoying to look for someone shouting "IS THERE ANY CRIMHEAD IN THIS CHANNEL?". So, I propose to create a channel if there's none for us. I usually create a channel called #Crimheads, using any of the eu/us/ca undernet servers to acceed. It would be good to meet in this channel once or twice a week, and share ideas, material and even jokes :)). Who knows!, maybe we'll be talking with Robert Fripp using a nickname like "DSAMAM" (don't shout at me again man!) ;). For more information, e-mail me, and I will be really glad to help you! Greetings from Barcelona, Josep M=AA Serlav=F3s serlavos at ctv dot es ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 14:34:28 -0400 From: Edward Banatt Subject: Talking Heads Connections Hello all. Just to add to the TH connections list: Adrian Belew plays guitar on Remain In Light, and toured with the band, can be heard on "The Name of This Band Is the (TH)" and played on Byrne's solo "Catherine Wheel" Robert Fripp contributes to Eno/Byrne's "My Life In the Bush of Ghosts" (track: Regiment). These are among my favorites. Also, Mr. Belew appears in TH sister band, The Tom Tom Club. I'm sure many of you are aware Adrian penned >wince, grimace< Mariah Carey's "Fantasy", a Tom Tom Club tune reworked. Can you say Mariah Carey in this newsletter? Can you envision a duet between her and Belew, say, Matte Kudasai, or maybe ..no. Sorry. Edward Banatt Fairlawn, NJ ebanatt at internexus dot net http://www.wp.com/EBANATT/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 16:31:40 GMT Subject: Re: Mellotron/voices/Mike Giles From: lordabay at nyc dot pipeline dot com (michaeldamianjeter) In ET#308, jwc146 at psu dot edu (Sir James) wrote: >with Fripp doing stuff with Soundscapes and his proficiantcy on the >Mellotron, Robert, during a question and answer session at J&R Music here in NYC, stated that the most of the "mellotron" in the new KC is Adrian Belew's guitar. I would assume that the credits on the latest albums are part of Fripp's Humor. I would also guess that most modern groups who claim to use 'tron are using samples, as the 'tron itself is well -known, by those musicians who used them, to have been more trouble than they were worth. For further evidence of this, and of Fripp's opinion of the instrument, check out Aphorism #10 from page three of TGD booklet. It reads: 10. Tuning a mellotron doesn't. Sir James went on to say that "KC's NOT a singing band." No, but they have had some pretty strong voices, including the background voice of T.Levin, who has been known to sing and write barbershop for both KC and Peter Gabriel. Finally, folks have been asking about Mike Giles. Pat Mastellatto said in an interview that he saw Giles at the auditions for Fripp/Sylvian. -- michael damian jeter Dept. of English, Kingsborough Community College, Brooklyn, NY Purple Heart Chapman Stick#1193 Whatever you do, A teacher works harder than you do.-- George Clinton, Central Park, NYC, July 4, 1996 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 11:37:55 -0800 From: billforth at earthlink dot net (William C. Forth) Subject: 10 Secs. Dear Toby and ET, In response to the questions about Ten Seconds that have appeared recently, we are gearing up for dates on the West Coast of the U.S.A. in November. Websters can also visit our file of CD reviews at http://home.earthlink.net/~billforth/ until then. Thanks for all the support and enthusiam you are sending our way... We look forward to meeting you on the road soon. Kindest regards, Bill Forth ------------------------------ From: "Stephen P. Goodman" Subject: Bennett's Inaugural Address at Sherbourne House Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 10:01:57 -0700 Tim dot Meadowcroft%ubs dot com at cs dot man dot ac dot uk wrote: >I don't think I'll be able to re-assemble the Inaugural Address at >Sherbourne House :^) but if I get anywhere with other bits I'll post the >results. Actually, I believe many of J.G. Bennett's lectures were recorded, and are presently available from Claymont Communications, AKA Continuing Education, I think. I've never had the disposable income necessary to purchase one of the tapes, but I'm fairly sure that, if RF had a copy of the Address, Claymont should also. I've also never directly seen the Address-in-question listed in their tapes, perhaps others here have had more extensive experience via the seminars. * The motor car wasn't a substitute for the horse.- M. McLuhan *----------------------------------------------------------------- * The Loop Of The Week! http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios ****************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 20:41:32 GMT From: Antonio Cebola Subject: Damage Hello, I have seen a few copies of Fripp & Sylvian's Damage (sealed) here in Lisbon. If anyone's interested, please email me. The price is that of a regular CD. I haven't been lucky in finding Sylvian's Weatherbox, though. Can anyone help me on this one, please? Antonio antoniocebola at mail dot telepac dot pt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 16:09:33 -0400 From: Taylor Sherman Subject: QVC / GONG I was innocently flipping channels last night, when I flipped by QVC. The 'channel up' button was almost down, when some part of my brain realizes that the guy's talking about something interesting. . ."It's not really a synthesizer, its a keyboard, than, when played, controls tape recordings of orchestral instruments. . ." OK, so he's describing a Mellotron. . . "The Moody Blues were one of the first bands to use the Mellotron. . ." OH. Hmm. Turns out they were selling the Rhino 5CD Prog boxed set. Is there a single KC song on there? I remember discussion about alumni being in there, but not KC themselves. Pretty bizarre, gus. . . Also, GONG are playing in the near future here in NY, and I've heard of them but have no clue what they're like. So, if you know about them, please e-mail me and clue me in. If they're really cool I don't want to miss the show! Thanks. Taylor ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 96 19:58:52 EDT From: Stewart Murrell <100042 dot 1476 at CompuServe dot COM> Subject: KC/XTC Revisited I notice that in the recent postings linking King Crimson and XTC no-one mentioned the "League of Gentlemen" collaboration in 1980/81between Robert Fripp and Barry Andrews (played keyboards and wrote on the first two XTC albums). (Probably too obvious to mention.) By the way, I noticed that the spine of the album says "The League of Gentlemen/Robert Frips". (Oops.) This is on a Japanese copy of the album - don't know whether other versions have the same misspelling. (Trivia, trivia, trivia...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 18:23:42 -0700 (PDT) From: zelwel at earthlink dot net Subject: Mujician/Keith Tippett Oyvind GONG Saanum said: > >Pat Belanger wrote: > >> Can anyone tell me about MUJICIAN(Keith Tippett's Band). I believe they >> have 3 recordings available. Which one should I purchase? My musical >> tastes are adventurous so kick me in the ass with a killer! >> >> Thanks, JULIAN BELANGER >> > >I have tried, but not succeded in getting these albums, but the local >library has indeed got Mujician 3. This is not a group performance, but >simply Keith playing his piano (live I think). The record contains 2 tunes >(about 20 and 50 minutes long pieces) that is pretty weird and introvert. >They nead a lot of concentration from the listener, so just forget wathing >TV at the same time, and it ain't party-music either. As far as I have >understood he puts different things in his piano while playing to make >different sounds. > >His only groups are as far as I know Centipede (around 50 persons) and >Keith Tippett Group. Both are more extrovert than Mujijian 3. > >Oyvind GONG Saanum Mujician 3 is indeed a solo piano album- not to be confused with the three disks by the quartet Mujician. Mujician consists of Tippett, Paul Rogers on Bass, Paul Dunmall on reeds, and Tony Levin (not THAT Tony Levin, but another cool Tony Levin nonetheless) on drums. They have three albums out, all on Cuneiform records- The Journey, Poem About the Hero, and Birdman. They're all great, but not for the faint of heart (then again, neither is Thrak Attack). All three albums seem to consist of live-in-the-studio improvisation. Tippett will, on occasion prepare his piano (i. e. put things in it a la John Cage). For my money, he's the best piano player around- the technique of, say, Cecil Taylor combined with an ear for melody which is not evident in Cecil's own music. Other projects include various solo records, duets with his wife Julie, a trio with Julie and drummer Willi Kellers, duets with pianists Howard Riley and Stan Tracey, Keith Tippett's Ark (a big band similar to Centipede), a more recent big band project the name of which escapes me at the moment, Hopper/Dean/Gallivan/Tippett, etc. etc. He's also involved with The Dedication Orchestra and Dennis Gonzales. His work on Lizard etc. barely scratches the surface. Zelwel ------------------------------ From: "Brown, Ken" Subject: Double Trio Opposing View Date: Sat, 21 Sep 96 22:53:00 EST Hi ETers, Well surprise, surprise most of you think the double trio is a big hit. I wish I could feel the same way, but I can't. You see when I bought In Court some 20 years ago, I went 'Wow' what a great LP. Then a few years later I bought Starless and Bible Black and went WOW again, this can't be the same band. That is the LP that really got me into Crimson and I couldn't believe how different the two groups were. The 70s version of Crimson soon became one of my favorite bands. Then the 80s Crimson released Discipline and I was really bowled over. Forgot that this was one of the best LPs I ever heard they were THE best band I ever heard. Then I saw them on Fridays and was even more impressed. Belew is a great guitarist (and songwriter and singer, but more on that in a minute) and his is a perfect counter balance to Fripp. Bruford is my favorite drummer and Levin was incredible especially with the Stick. To me 80 Crimso might have been the best technical band ever. Skip a head many years many things have occurred in life broke up with my girlfriend of 8 years, left NY for NJ, dropped out of the prog scene for New Wave, met my wife got married had two kids, got back into prog in a big way, and then there was a new Crimso cd. I of course bought the EP and and I was disappointed. this sounded basically like the 80s version with two extra guys. I'm not saying I didn't like the EP or the CD, but if you took away the extra two guys would anyone really notice. Can anyone really say this band is that much different the Crim Mark 3. I don't think so, and that is my problem. Its like Fripp and the boys couldn't think a new direction so they figured they try and be innovated by forming the double trio. I am intrigue with the idea, I just don't think it gets pulled off on the cd. maybe live it works better, more I why I don't go to concerts anymore later too. So to summarize I like the idea and I think there are areas to explore with the double trio, but so far the version of KC has not impressed me. Lets stop the Belew bashing, every version of Crimson is different and I doubt any of the major singers (Lake, Wetton or Belew) could have sung the other songs well. Can you really see 80 Crimso singing lyrics like Wetton or Lake sang. hell no, Belew brought humor to the band something they needed to survive in the 80s. He has a fine voice, sure he's no Greg Lake, but who is? This whole issue of idiots standing at concerts (can you guess which way I lean) is one of the major reasons I don't go to concerts any more. It amazes me how little people seem to think or care about any one else. Our whole society is turning into 'I'll do what I feel like and screw every one else'. Somebody on the side of dancing at concerts, brought up the point of dance clubs. Well that is what you should do there is dance, but not at concerts at the expense of other not seeing and enjoying the show. I have spend many a nights at clubs and at concerts. When at a club I dance, when at a concert I seat and watch. Besides how well can you dance when you have only the area around your seat to dance. having see many people attempt this had shows (I was big into Punk/New Wave for a time) I have never seen anyone that didn't look just plain stupid. There just isn't enough room to do much. So if you feel you must dance go in the back where there is more room. Obviously you don't want to watch since you can't really dance and watch had the same time. So move, be considered of others for a change. You dancers know that most of the people seating around you at a Crimson show want to watch and listen and they don't want to be distract by your spastic attempts at dancing. I understand you think you have the right to do what you want with your seat. That is not very sound logic, suppose some one sat next to you and shot you, well it was his seat and he did want he want do. Buying that ticket doesn't give you the right to ruin everyone else concert experience. Thank you and good night Keep the Faith (in the Music) Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:21:14 +1200 From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Talking Heads & King Crimson From: nextwave at peg dot apc dot org (Next Wave Festival) wrote: >Re - is there a conection between KC & TH.?..well obviously there is >considering Fripp co-wrote (with Eno & Byrne) and plays on one of the >tracks on the TH Fear of Music album - I Zimbra. >[...] >I Zimbra also uses a fake language for lyrics which to my mind also >signals Thela Ginjet..thingy.... I Zimbra is, according to the Brian Eno and Russell Mills book "More Dark than Shark" based on a Dadaist poem by Hugo Ball. Ball's work, and that of other Dadaists, often tends towards the use of nonsense syllables for their rhythmic, rather than their linguistic, qualities. Meanwhile, Thela hun Ginjeet is merely an anagram for Heat in the Jungle. James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) ------------------------------ Subject: Schizoid '96 Tapes? Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 10:33:56 GMT From: ling3822 at worldaccess dot nl Date: Mon, 23 sept. 1996 From: Joop Lingeman (LING3822 at WORLDACCESS dot NL) Subject: Schizoid '96 Tape? As a KC-fan since 1974 (yes, the first thing I heard about them was that they were splitting up...) I'm very happy to see there are a lot of fans around. Especially now with this Internet-thing, it's easy to meet other people who might have interesting material. I do have a lot of old recordings (tapes), so please E-mail me for more information. I'm also very pleased with the new 21st Schizoid Man CD, but there is one thing missing: the 1996 recording! Anyone around who can tell me where I can find this track to complete the CD? Please please me :-) Joop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:28:50 WET0WET DST From: Alex Brugger Subject: Guitar Craft on tour in Germany Hi everybody. by chance I heard of a band called "The Berlin Guitar Ensemble" who have played a gig in Potsdam, Germany about two weeks ago. this band is in fact kind of a League of Crafty Guitarists, including the California Guitar Trio and some other well-known GuitCraft names. Does anybody know anything about other tour dates of that band in Europe or Germany???? If so, could you please let me know? Thanx! Alex ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 1996 10:29:52 -0400 From: "Matthew" Subject: Alright already with the vo Hallo ET... There have been so many posts recently about who's better/best vocal-wise for KC that I almost feel embarassed about writing this, but... Why is it that hardly anybody has noticed that each Crimson singer had peen nearly perfect for the style of music that they were playing at that time (possible A.B. exception)? Wetton's vocals on Fallen Angel are INCREDIBLY superb for that piece of music, but they wouldn't work on, say, Epitaph, on which Lake does a great job. As KC's music shifted, so do their singers. Even Boz does a good job on Ladies of the Road... So where does that leave Belew? Lord knows, I sure don't like him. ***** Matthew at wra dot k12 dot oh dot us Runa whay! Runa whay! ***** ------------------------------ Date: 23 Sep 1996 09:34:49 -0700 From: "Jim Bricker" Subject: Re: Jars of Clay/KC, Christi Two questions that came out of the above post are: "Why did Ade do this album?", and "Is Adrian a Christian?" Based on a post I read on the net earlier this year from a brother of one of the members of JOC, Adrian got involved when his niece (I think), who goes to the same Nashville area church as the band members, put them in touch with her uncle. I assume he liked what he heard from them and then agreed to do a few tracks. As to whether or not Ade is a Christian, that's probably a question best left for him alone to answer. Questions regarding another's relationship with Christ and God is not really something someone else can authoritatively answer. The JOC album is good stuff; it is undeniably Christian, but also undeniably quality pop/modern rock. For another recommendation, try Sixpence None The Richer's "This Beautiful Mess" which echoes Red Hot Chili Peppers, R.E.M. and maybe even "Thrak" in some places, but has less of a Christian message/punch. Regards, JB in San Jose, Christian and KC fan ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #309 ********************************