Errors-To: et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Reply-To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #308 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 308 Friday, 20 September 1996 Today's Topics: Wedded Blitz Re-release of U.S.A.? Double Trio/Double Quartet Jars of Clay/KC, Christianity, and other junk Re: Mujician(Keith Tippett) Background Voices on Exposure Mike Giles / Send Barns Orchestra The Kronos Quartet Debate, summary by Chris P. Re: 20, 21 -- what's the diff? KC voices: vote for Wetton Re: Get Up, Stand Up Bentmen (this Saturday!) Talking Heads & King Crimson Re: question very important to me! Kronos/Reich/Metheny(Frippy L.O.C.G.) Possible Update Is There Life Out There? enigmatic Palmer-James/re-ET307 ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk UNSUB/ADDRESS CHANGES: Send a message with a body of HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ ETWEB: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ (partial mirror at http://members.aol.com/etmirror/) THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:30:45 -0400 From: Lawrence Raniere Subject: Wedded Blitz Hello. Charity Dredge wrote: >I hail from just south of the Rosebud Sioux Indian Reservation, South >Dakota. The exit march to my June 22nd '96 outdoor wedding was Matte >Kudesai. I also had Matte Kudasi in my wedding. It was for our first dance at the reception . That was in June 1989, in New Jersey. Charity, everything's been just peachy since. Later. - LR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:32:24 -0500 (EST) From: jason robert nickey Subject: Re-release of U.S.A.? Could someone tell me when the cd release of U.S.A. will be? Thanks, Jason Nickey jnickey at indiana dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:06:06 +0000 From: Chris Palmer Subject: Double Trio/Double Quartet Well, with all this hub bub about the Double Trio working or not, I thought I'd drop in my two cents. First of all, I like the double trio. Second, the "double-band" idea is not new, Ornette Coleman released a fantastic album called "Free Jazz: a collective improvisation by the Ornette Coleman Double Quartet". What this album is is two drummers, two bassists, and four horn players attempting to improvise freely and remain coherent. They do to a greater extent than you'd think, but it's not perfect. Still, a landmark. Someone likened the Crimson DT as an "avant-garde" orchestra rather than something like what Coleman did. Good call, I think Crimson's strength in the DT is the arrangement, not the improvisation. (But dig ThrakAttack!!!!!!) Also someone said that Miles' "Bitches Brew" was a good example of group improvisation. This is probably one of the best examples ever, and for the reason that this person (sorry, i forget!) stated -- some musicians have to hold down the structure while others are free. I think Crimson can do both -- retain a fixed structure as well as freely improvise. They are all master musicians and I have faith that they will hold it together. But I do think the idea is young. :) Chris PS Check out my music page: http://www.tc.umn.edu/nlhome/m592/palm0108/arch.html No Crimson stuff yet (but it will come!) but mostly jazz so far. It's in an embryonic state. :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 07:11:23 -0400 From: jwc146 at psu dot edu (Sir James) Subject: Jars of Clay/KC, Christianity, and other junk I am almost creeping back, hopeing nobody will recognize my name, so I can write my post. I just wanted to inform everyone of a Jars of Clay (a new and VERY popular Chirstian band, if you haven't heard of them. They get alot of airtime on regular rock radio stations) and KC connection that I don't recall being posted here before, but I could be wrong, and Lord knows, ET readers know it!!! (I'll get back to that in a minute). Anyway, I was reading the most recent issue of Rolling Stone (the one with Brooke Shields on the cover) and I was looking at the article on Christian Rock bands tring to get into the mainstream (page 24 I believe). As I read, and I had to a double and triple take on this one, but the new Jars of Clay single, "Flood" & "Liquid" (I think that is the name) was produced by none other than our favorite love/hate guitarist Adrian Belew!!! I had to do a quadruple take on this one!!! Is Belew a Christian, did he want to help out a new struggleing band, or was he tring out his produceing prowess on a band he didn't think would be popular or what? Does anybody know his motives in doing this? On to bigger and better things here, if some of you don't recall, I made a GROSS error about mellotrons and YES a little while back and I haven't shown my ashamed face here since. I did a little resarch and listend more intently, and I am here to say, I sincerely apoligize for my past statements. I was dead wrong!! I tried to tune in more on Wakeman when listening to YES, and I have to admit, the Mellotron was and, possibly now with his return, is a HUGE part of his playing. I now can pick it out, as I could not before. This has also improved my listening habbits with KC as well. So thanks for all the criticism and flames (I'm sure you don't hear that very often), it has made me a better and more competant listener. One more tid bit before I go. All of this discussion about the Double Trio has inspired me. Reasons why the Double Trio is NOT a failure. #1--It give more force to the music. With 2 or 3 guys playing something similar, it gives the music MUCH more force. For people who say that they can't pick out Trey Gun, how do you know it isn't him? #2--Thrak is their first album, with 6 guys, there is much more room to expand and experiment. Remember also, with Fripp doing stuff with Soundscapes and his proficiantcy on the Mellotron, that eliminates one guitar for some of the time. Two other tid bits (I can see you roll your eyes, but believe me, I'll be done in a sec), about Trey useing a Warr guitar...Levin is already using a Stick, that doubles the sound makeing even harder to 'pick out.' The Warr gives his sound a little bit more variety. And the other thing, about the singing, I like Greg Lake the best, but I am partial to him because I love ELP, so I am a little biased. ONe thing I don't understand is why John Wetton gets criticized so often. His singing perfectly compliments the music being played. Dark, gruff and ofetn angular, they are a perfect match. I also don't understand why people praise Boz and Haskell so much, yes they are better singers that John and maybe Greg as far as skill and voice, but their voices, at least to me, don't fit KC as well as Greg's or John's. They are not deep, dark, or guff enough. And Adrian Belew's voice compliments the current music quite fine I think. Someone here mentioned a 3 part harmony...well no I don't think so. KC's NOT a singing band. I think I read somewhere that the only reason there are singers in the band is because Fripp thought that was what was expected of rock bands, otherwise he wouldn't have one. If you want singing, listen to KC's sister band, YES. As far as KC and YES being sister bands, or two sides of the same coin, I'll go into that in my next post, because I've already squandered enough homework time for one post...college is tough sometimes. See you soon!!! Jim ************************************************************************* You know, my Grandfather has had a ringing in his ears for fifty years! Yeah, you know when you forget that the car engine is running and you turn the key and it makes that noise? Well, he was in the navy and did that with an aircraft carrier. ~~~Steven Wright, on Jay Leno (9/3/96) ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:37:59 +0200 (MET DST) From: "\\yvind Saanum" Subject: Re: Mujician(Keith Tippett) Pat Belanger wrote: > Can anyone tell me about MUJICIAN(Keith Tippett's Band). I believe they > have 3 recordings available. Which one should I purchase? My musical > tastes are adventurous so kick me in the ass with a killer! > > Thanks, JULIAN BELANGER > I have tried, but not succeded in getting these albums, but the local library has indeed got Mujician 3. This is not a group performance, but simply Keith playing his piano (live I think). The record contains 2 tunes (about 20 and 50 minutes long pieces) that is pretty weird and introvert. They nead a lot of concentration from the listener, so just forget wathing TV at the same time, and it ain't party-music either. As far as I have understood he puts different things in his piano while playing to make different sounds. His only groups are as far as I know Centipede (around 50 persons) and Keith Tippett Group. Both are more extrovert than Mujijian 3. Oyvind GONG Saanum ------------------------------ From: Tim dot Meadowcroft%ubs dot com at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 16:48:44 +0100 Subject: Background Voices on Exposure Hi all, Having visited the ET Exposure Web pages I've renewed my interest in the background voices etc. on the Exposure album (yeah, it's anally retentive I know, but I thought it might be interesting). I know what the backwards voice Monty Python bit is, and I know that there's RF's mum talking about his toilet training as a child at the beginning of one of the tracks. I'm about to see about applying filters etc. to the appropriate samples to try and remove the music and enhance the voices to hear what they're saying, but I thought I'd first check if anyone has already done this (I can make out some of RF's mum just by turning the volume up) ? I don't think I'll be able to re-assemble the Inaugural Address at Sherbourne House :^) but if I get anywhere with other bits I'll post the results. Tim // Tim dot Meadowcroft at ubs dot com // tim at compansr dot demon dot co dot uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 19:03:16 +0100 From: alex at membrane dot univ-rouen dot fr (Stephane.Alexandre) Subject: Mike Giles / Send Barns Orchestra Hi elephant talkers, Mike Giles did play on two Anthony Phillips albums "Wise After the Events" (1977) and "Sides" (1978). Mel Collins play also on a few tracks on these albums and his sax may be heard also on one thrak from another A. Phillips album "Private Part and Pieces II - Back to the Pavillion" (1980 but recorded in 1976-77 an instrumental companion album to "Wise...") with Andy Mc Cullock (from KC - Lizard) on Drums and Percussion. (Just a quote The Vicar and Vic Stench who are credited on those albums are A. Phillips). If I remember well, at that time (end of the seventeens) Mike Giles with John G. Perry, on bass, were the rhythmic line up from the team of session musicians of the famous producer Rupert Hine (also known as Humbert Ruse or Hubert Rinse) who produced the aforementioned albums. Likely, Mike Giles should be find on other albums produced by Rupert Hine. On these albums is also mentioned the Send Barns Orchestra in which a lot of musicians played as Geoffrey Richardson (from Caravan), Trevor Morais, John G. Perry (who was also a short time member of Caravan),... I do not know if Mike Giles played in this Orchestra or if they cut any records (any informations?). Interesting to note is that G. Richardson and T. Morais were later members of the Simon Jeffes' Penguin Cafe Orchestra and to close the loop, Mike Giles might be found on one thrak of their 1984 album "Broadcasting from Home". HaPPy THRaKiNG, STePHaNe, hoping that the DGM records will be distributed truly sometime in my under-musically-developed coutry (France). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 13:49:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Palmer Subject: The Kronos Quartet Debate, summary by Chris P. Hello All. A couple of issues back I made some comments about the Kronos Quartet being too stiff and unemotional in their interpretation of Hedrix's "Purple Haze." For the most part, I stand by what I said. However, as you will see below, I have come to realize that certain of what I said was a bit rash. I hope you will excuse my irrationality and consider my assertion: that the KQ play with plenty of Brain (a GOOD thing) but not enough Heart (not so good). Below are reprinted certain replies to my origianl post. gondola at deltanet dot com (E.B.) said: A couple of minor points: 1) Sure, Kronos' "Purple Haze" doesn't have the fire of Hendrix' version, but I doubt that any OTHER classical ensemble could've done it any better. I think you're objecting to the IDEA more than Kronos' follow-through. You just don't think string quartets/classical musicians should try to play rock music. OK...fine, swell. But don't pin it on Kronos' individual shoulders -- they made a damn good try, at worst. 2) As for Crimson's "unbelievably complex" music, I have a feeling that King Crimson material would be a cakewalk compared to the highbrow modern-classical compositions Kronos usually plays. Eric ...and I reply: 1) True, I would be surprised if any other "classical" ensemble (such a misnomer, but it has stuck) could do it any better. But that doesn't mean the KQ should have put it on record. And no, I don't object to the very idea of a classical ensemble doing the song, in fact I'd like very much to see a classical ensemble improvise (since the Baroque era it seems to have become a lost art among such musicians) and rock out. And very true, they did give it a good shot. 2) ThrakAttack, for example, is as "complex" as anything out there, and it was *improvised.* Not easy to do, even through-composed (!!) let alone to spontaneouly compose. And I do also love modern classical composers -- Pa"rt, Glass, Reich, Branca, whatever, and it is just as "complex" as Crimson. However, how relevant is complexity, anyway? I originally brought it up as a compliment to the KQ (i.e., they play with Brain), but the other element (Heart) is just as important, if not more so. That is the meat of my objection to the KQ. I would put Muddy Waters over some fossilization of a great work any day, and Waters plays what is probably the simplest music around. But it's still great music because the meaning and feeling is there. So, to sum up: KQ: lots of Brain. Waters: lots of Heart. KC: lots of both. All three are great. I think that the KQ should work on the Heart aspect of music before messing with Hedrix's blues-based music. I also think that Waters' music could have used a little complexity for spice. Crimson, I am happy to say, is beyond reproach! hahaha! Now that's something we can ALL agree on. :) Further... John Kaefer said: In response to Chris Palmer's attack on the Kronos Quartet, I'll say two words: wise up. This quartet is very talented and is recognized by all decent musicians as one of the premier chamber groups of our day. True. My idiotic comment about the KQ being "talentless" was un-called for. As I have come to realize, the Brain aspect is very significant. In my empassioned ranting, I went too far. I do humbly retract my statement and apoligize to both fans and members of the KQ. Even though they may have ruined Purple Haze, ...and they did. they may still be able to pull off some KC. (Crimson is more classically based than Hendrix) True. But, like Hendrix, Crimson depends heavily on emotional content, and I'd rather not see Crimson turned into sitting-down music. Now, I don't mean to suggest that the KQ is incapable of playing emotionally. In fact I've heard other of their performances and I quite liked them. But their style is not appropriate to the kind of visceral intensity of Hendrix, Crimson, et c. Give them a chance. I most certainly have, and will again. But not "P.H." And by the way Chris, I go to the Eastman School of Music, a conservatory and Tony Levin's alma mater. Does that make us snobs? The "snob" comment was admittedly a regrettable and unfair generalization, and I certainly don't mean to apply it to you or Levin (who is one of my all-time faves!). But I have met more than a few "jazz snobs" and "classical snobs" who were the product of such institutions. But to assume without direct evidence that the KQ belonged to that subset of conservatory graduates was unfair, and I again apoligize. Think before you write. Good call, I think I will. (!!) :) continuing... Bradley Stewart Cook said: In the last issue of ET the Kronos Quartet received a severe thrashing from I believe a Mr. Palmer. I must say first of all that I do not think that the way they covered a Hendrix song is probably not an accurate reflection of how they would cover any given Crimso song. See my comments on emotion and thought, above. I stand by my position. Secondly I would say that I love the work they have done including their performances of stuff by Zorn, Elliot Sharp, Steve Reich, and Philip Glass. Me, too. That is some of my favorite music. It is more appropriate to the style and backgrounds of the KQ than Hendrix and so I prefer it when the KQ plays reich, et c. than Hendrix. I also love their version of Purple Haze and am glad to hear something fresh over the same ole' lame ole' covers. (I have only heard the version on the album "Released:Unreleased") Yes, fresh is good, always. ANyway...why would you choose to use this forum to trash the way Kronos has done a Hendrix tune?? Because someone suggested that the KQ play Crimson material. So my original post WAS relevant to ET. I am a big Kronos fan and I would love to hear their renditions of previously released Crimson or even some commisioned new pieces from Fripp or maybe Belew. As far as commisioned pieces, that might be interesting. Love and kisses, Brad Hugs and googly eyes, Chris. :) Finally, Art Cohen said: It : sounds like a freekin' marching band -- stiff and suitable for suburban : get-togethers. I have to say I agree with this assessment. I wanted to puke the first time I heard their version of "Purple Haze". I'm no purist, but they bring nothing to the song. Yeah. I didn't think anyone would agree with me. The KQ ARE good, after all. But I won't abide Hendrix covers. (Don't even get me started on Phish...!) It is my : mission in life to kill the members of The Kronos Quartet. Slowly. And : with blood. Much blood. Let me know if you need a hand! :) --Art Well, again, I regret my idiocies written in a fit of rage. (I am prone to such fits as you all may have figured out. heh heh!) I retract this statement as well, so I won't be needing any help, Art. I hope I haven't totally alienated all of the members of ET by now, though I fear I have. I apoligize for my rash behavior (and this unduly long letter...! :) ), but for the reasons staed above, I still will not listen to the KQ playing Hendrix or Crimson. Thank you for reading this whole long thing. I hope we all understand each other better now, and I thank the people who replied to my post. I learned a lot. :) :) Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 12:48:57 -0700 From: gondola at deltanet dot com (E.B.) Subject: Re: 20, 21 -- what's the diff? >From: cluesump at sirius dot com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) > >I have a question for you, a guy right next to me said [21st Century >Schizoid Man] >had been written by The Kinks. Is it true ? I think it should be written by >Pete Sinfield, isn't it ? Oh, JEEZ...what a goofball. Ray Davies wrote "20th Century Man," off the Muswell Hillbillies album. Eric, who'll gladly admit he likes the Kinks better than King Crimson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 12:45:17 -0700 From: Robert Cervero Organization: Univ. of Cal. -- Berkeley Subject: KC voices: vote for Wetton I too would like to respond to some of criticisms of Wetton's vocals in past ETs. I've always thought of Wetton's unique phrasings and vocal accents as an important, and indeed critical, counterpart to the incredibly intricate rythms of the 73-75 KC lineup. How anyone could humanly complete the phrasings on Starless, Easy Money, Nightwatch, and OMRN while laying such powerful bass lines simultaneously is beyond me. Wetton is an all too underappreciated glue that helped hold that band together. I happen to think his voice has matured nicely, and that his recent live vocal performances of Book of Saturday, Starless, and Easy Money are, thought not as powerful in the past, nicely done nonetheless. His is now the voice of maturity and sensitivity, and certainly his bass talents have not left him. I consider Wetton to be an equal to any KC vocals (notwithstanding Greg Lake's incredibly live, youthful, and stunning version of ITCOTCK in the May 1969 BBC live recording). Certainly the passage of time has been kinder to Wetton's voice than Lake's. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 13:05:24 -0700 From: gondola at deltanet dot com (E.B.) Subject: Re: Get Up, Stand Up >From: claudia alarcon > >I understand the frustration of people who want to sit through a fantastic >and passionate performance, which may move some of us into getting up from >our seats and_god forbid_ dance, therefore obstructing their view. But, as >sombody pointed out, I paid the price for my ticket and I am also entitled >to do as I see fit during the performance. In my opinion, the musicians ( >including mr Fripp, I'm sure) would rather see a packed house of excited >people sharing the passion of their performance than a bunch of pretentious >pseudo musicologists analyzing chord progressions. Bravo! Couldn't have said it better myself, especially that last sentence. ;) I HATE sitting down at concerts myself. I recently saw the Sex Pistols at a seated theater, and went deeply stir-crazy. Anyway, don't any of you grizzled progheads EVER go to club shows (which have few or no seats, of course)? Jeez, I go to about 40 concerts a year, and only a couple of them are sitdown venues. I can't even tell you the last sitdown show I saw before the Pistols.... Participating in the '90s, Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:43:16 -0400 (EDT) From: David Heyrovsky Subject: Bentmen (this Saturday!) Bentmen seem to be a hidden treasure of the Boston music scene for the past seven (?) years. They are notorious by playing only in the Boston area, the first few years they moreover played only annual gigs. Now they play more frequently, about five times in the past year. They self- released two recordings so far, but the music itself is only one element of their theatrical live shows. Their music is unique, hard to describe. According to one reviewer they are '..a 90's cross between King Crimson and Pink Floyd perhaps..' etc. The lineups on their two albums included: Bill 'Des' Desmond - vocals, keys, dulcimer, programming, sound FX Reeves Gabrels - guitars Lawrence Dersch - percussion, drums Kathy Desmond - keys, samplers, programming, guitar Christopher Burbul - samplers, backing vocals, live show antics, props Eddie Nowik - guitars (2nd album) Matthew Gruenberg - electric & acoustic bass (2nd) Lawrence Harvey - drums, percussion (2nd) Jeff Friedman - guitars, bass, keys, programming (1st) Ken Winokur - percussion (1st) plus a crew in charge of stage set design, stage murals, films & slides, etc. guests on 2nd album: Adrian Belew - guitar Dave Tronzo - guitar Paul Quatrocci - percussion The 1st album is "Magicroom", released by Sound Museum Records in 1992 2nd "Patient Zero", released by Bent Music in 1995 Reeves Gabrels has been Bowie's guitarist for several years, played in Tin Machine as well. So the Bentmen shows are restricted to times when Bowie is not on tour, or is in the Boston area. Gabrels got the idea to involve Belew & sent him some tracks. According to Des, on hearing the recordings Belew came to record a few tracks with them (in between sessions with Paul Simon and Trent Reznor). '..Adrian said the Bentmen material was some of the most interesting stuff he had heard in years.' Their shows are a bizzare & grotesque musical theater, all musicians play in outlandish costumes / masks / makeup, amidst elaborate crazy stage props / decorations. Some reviewers' descriptions: 'bad acid Mardi Gras', 'Santa's demented workshop', 'the end of the world', etc. I have experienced three club shows within the past year - the atmosphere is incredible. Much of the music stands on tribal/hypnotic percussion and two dueling guitars. All the (excellent) players & performers apparently enjoy themselves in these zany happenings. Each show is designed differently, costumes are changed even during a single performance. Some highlights of the shows included an ice cream battle between the band and the audience, free barber service on stage (while the others went on playing) and the regular final trashing of the decorations, initiated by the band. This Saturday, September 21st, Bentmen should appear at the 7th Annual Freedom Rally on the Boston Common (noon - 5 pm) - together with 6 other bands. I can't imagine what their open-air show might look like. The band has cancelled some shows in the past, one can't be sure till Saturday.. David Heyrovsky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:41:46 +1000 (EST) From: nextwave at peg dot apc dot org (Next Wave Festival) Subject: Talking Heads & King Crimson Re - is there a conection between KC & TH.?..well obviously there is considering Fripp co-wrote (with Eno & Byrne) and plays on one of the tracks on the TH Fear of Music album - I Zimbra. A great track and one that signals two things - the phase shifting guitar technique of the later Discipline album and one of Fripps main compositional frameworks ever since.....and the following TH album of funk minimalism - Remain in Light. I Zimbra also uses a fake language for lyrics which to my mind also signals Thela Ginjet..thingy.... keep kewl.....Zane. Next Wave Festival 31 Victoria Street Fitzroy VIC 3065 Australia Ph: 61 3 9417 7544 Fax: 61 3 9417 7481 nextwave at peg dot apc dot org http://www.peg.apc.org/~nextwave/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:54:03 -0400 (EDT) From: alexis dufresne Subject: Re: question very important to me! At 17:33 18/09/1996 GMT, you wrote: hi there....I don't know if i'M right or wrong on this one...but I think i'm the youngest _King Crimson_ fan out there! :) Anyway..I'm a young student of 16 years old and i come from mtl,QC and i've heard that Crimson will come in mtl..il a USA II tour year..I,m sorry if this question was already asked..you can email me please I would like to go see Crimson and to have more info on USA II album ans tour! that's the firts part... .the second...I'VE TRIED YOUR TRICK WITH THE CAR AND TRaCKaTTack hehe and believe me..I was never so popular :) contrarly to you, in italia, here the peaple seemed very interrested in the music .. a lot of peaple camed and asked me and friend.. What was it??? who the hell il that fantastic band!?!? one of my teachers asked me that :)) I'm pretty sure everibody know's emerson lake and parlemr'S Musovsky Pictures at an exhibition .. on that album they did in a very original way 9/16 of the pieces of the great composotion...well I don't know if you care to hear it but one of my father's friend, is a first prize of the music conservatory here in mtl, and he plans to play, in show all the episodes of the song. Very good it is...with a little jazz beat just goo enough. He's the first in history to de that,....and o yeah..with a big casavant's pipe orguan.. :)) And before leaving you... I just want to say something about a Quebec prog rock group called Maneige . It was published on vinyl with the "HARVEST" compny..so maybe there is a cd of this. I've never...NEVER believe me heard such nice music from the discs of my father .. ( just kiddind) .. no serieusly it'a very good group with a ppular quebec's singer "Raoul Duguay" you got to give it a trythe use a lot of saxophone and they are really masters of their instruments :) well...chao ******************************SALUT!!!************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 01:41:48 -0700 From: Nana Pat Organization: Belanger's Kookie Kitchen Subject: Kronos/Reich/Metheny(Frippy L.O.C.G.) Hello to all Groons! I'm just sending this post because I feel it would be of great interest to all of you. GO BUY Steve Reich's "Different Trains/Electric Counterpoint". Better yet; After you buy it, roll down the windows in your car and crank it to see the reactions of commercial idiots and war veterans walking the streets of your friendly neighborhood. In other words, pull the "ThrackAttak" car test. This recording is sure to corrupt you!!! It's beautiful and frightening at the same time. The guitar parts are very Frippy IMHO(courtesy of Pat Metheny) and the Kronos contribution will tear your brains apart. A must for any King Crimson fan. Disturbed in CANADA eh!!! JULIAN P.S. Did you ever wonder where the ORB's "Little Fluffy Clouds" was conceived? Steve Reich is the answer!...Different Trains(hint,hint...)! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:08:57 -0400 From: PossProd at aol dot com Subject: Possible Update Hello Everyone, Here's a little update about the "Sometimes God Hides" sampler. We expect to mail them out at the end of this month. We apologise for an unexpected delay. If you haven't seen the track listing, I've included it below. For those of you who live in Canada or Mexico, we will send it but we cannot guarantee its arrival. This sampler is available until October 31st for a cost of $3 S&H each. (Canada/Mexico - $3.50) It is 73 minutes long and contains many unreleased tracks. Order as many as you'd like. Please order as soon as possible. Payment is accepted with a credit card only if you are ordering something else. Otherwise, send cash, check(US bank only) or Money Order to Possible Productions, 351 Magnolia Ave. Long Beach, CA 90802. The catalog # is DGMS. Trey Gunns new "must have" release " The Third Star" is now available. This release has Pat Mastelotto, Bob Muller and Treys bevy of female single name female vocalists - Toyah, Alice, and Serpentine. Cat # 0202 and the price is $13.99. Peter Hammill's new compilation release "Past Go: Collected" is now available. This compilation spans Peter's work from 1982 to 1990 and flows ever so reverently.Cat # 1702 and price is $13.99. Also, Adrian's new record " Op Zop Do Wah" will is in stock. I've always been told never to use capitol letters as it was quite rude. THIS NEW ALBUM ROCKS!!! I SAID ROCKS!!! Cat # is 1009 and the price is $11.50. Shipping is still $2.50 minimum or 15% of the merchandise. Best to everyone - Mark Perry ____________________________________________________________________ Sometimes God Hides A Youngperson's Guide To Discipline 1.Cage King Crimson (music by King Crimson, words by Adrian Belew) Crimson Music/BMG Music Publishing Ltd. from VROOOM (DR 9401) 2. Red King Crimson (Fripp) BMG Music Publishing Ltd. from B'BOOM Official Bootleg: Live in Argentina (DGM9503) 3. Burned By The Fire We Make Adrian Belew (Adrian Belew) Robert Stevens Music Inc. from The Acoustic Adrian Belew (DGM9504) 4. Sleepwalk California Guitar Trio (Farina, Farina & Farina) T.M.Music Ltd / Carlin from Yamanashi Blues (DR9301) 5. Mingled Roots Tony Levin (Levon Minassian, Tony Levin) T-Lev Music from World Diary (DGM9601) 6. Midnight Blue Robert Fripp (Fripp) Crimson Music / BMG Music Publishing Ltd. from A Blessing Of Tears (DGM9506) 7. Hope Robert Fripp String Quintet (A. Dehonestis / J.Sinks) Opium Arts Ltd from The Bridge Between (DR9303) 8. THRaKaTTaK I King Crimson (music by King Crimson) Crimson Music/BMG Music Publishing Ltd. from THRaKaTTaK (DGM9604) 9. Radiophonic II Robert Fripp (Fripp) Crimson Music / BMG Music Publishing Ltd. from Radiophonics (DGM9505) 10. Voices Of Ancient Children Los Gauchos Alemanes (Kabusacki, Nunez) Crimson Music / BMG Music Publishing Ltd. from Voices Of Ancient Children 11. A Better Time (Acapella) Peter Hammill (Hammill) from X My Heart (DGM9111) 12. 2006 Robert Fripp (Fripp) Crimson Music / BMG Music Publishing Ltd. from 1999 Soundscapes Live in Argentina (2nd edition) 13. Train To Lamy Suite California Guitar Trio (Hideyo Moriya, Bert Lams, Paul Richards) Pepa Paldo Music (BMI) from Invitation (DGM9501) 14. The Last Three Minutes Ten Seconds (music by Ten Seconds) Fayman / Forth (BMI) from Ten Seconds (DGM9603) 15. The Third Star Trey Gunn (Gunn) from The Third Star (DGM9605) 16. Sermon On The Mount Europa String Choir (Stevens,Dz, Bruno) Crimson Music / BMG Music Publishing Ltd. from The Starving Moon (DGM9509) 17. Be Longing Gitbox (Halliday) Crimson Music / BMG Music Publishing Ltd. from Touchwood (DGM9511) 18. Scanning II Robert Fripp (Fripp) Crimson Music / BMG Music Publishing Ltd. from Soundbites (DGM9507) 19. Inductive Resonance League of Gentlemen (music by The League of Gentlemen) EG Music Ltd from Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx (DGM9602) 20. Real Life Trey Gunn (Trey Gunn) Opium Arts Ltd from One Thousand Years (DR9302) 21. A Connecticut Yankee In The Court Of King Arthur - Robert Fripp & The League Of Crafty Guitarists (Gavin) Crimson Music / BMG Music Publishing Ltd. from Intergalactic Boogie Express (DGM9502) 22. Epitaph King Crimson (Fripp, McDonald, Lake, Giles, Sinfield) EG Music Ltd from Epitaph - Live in 1969 23. Sometimes God Hides - Robert Fripp (Fripp) Crimson Music / BMG Music Publishing Ltd. from The Gates Of Paradise II _____________________________________________________________________ Trey Gunn - "The Third Star" 1. Dziban 2. Symbiotic 3. Arrakis 4. Sirrah 5. The Third Star 6. Acquiring Canopus 7. Kaffaljidhma 8. Yad Al - Gawza 9. Kuma 10. Indiera _____________________________________________________________________ Peter Hammill - "Past Go: Collected" 1. A Kick to Kill the Kiss 2 . I Will Find You 3. Accidents 4. His Best Girl 5. Sharply Unclear 6. Patient 7. Planet Coventry 8. A Ritual Mask 9. The Noise 10.The Gift of Fire 11.Traintime 12.Gaia 13.Your Tall Ship _____________________________________________________________________ Adrian Belew - "Op Zop Do Wah" 1. Of Bow and Drum 2. Word Play Drum Beat 3. Six String 4. Conversation Piece 5. All Her Love is Mine 6. What Do You Know (Part 1) 7. Op Zop Do Wah 8. A Plate of Words 9. Time Waits 10.What Do You Know (Part 2) 11.Modern Man Hurricane Blues 13. In My Backyard 14. A Plate of Guitar 15. Live In a Tree 16. Something To Do 17. Beautiful 18. High Wire Guitar 19. Sky Blue Red Bird Green House 20. The Ruin After the Rain 21. On ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 08:40:39 -0400 From: "The Electrochemical Society, Inc." Subject: Is There Life Out There? ET: Up till now I have been reluctant to post, but lately with all the comparisons being made between the '73-'74 Crimso and the "Thrak" era Crimso, I cannot resist any longer. Being a major fan of the '73-'74 era Crimso, I was (and still am) delighted when "The Great Deceiver" box set came out. There is one particular song that I do not recall seeing any posts about. This song absolutely blows me away: "Is There Life Out There?", an improv from Disc #3, Track #13. On this improv, you can hear each of the 4 muscians (Cross, Wetton, Fripp and Bruford) at their best, including an awesome use of the 'tron (I personally like the bass/'tron useage here). IMHO, this goes beyond anything any incarnation of Crimso has put out to date, and it is much better than the new "Thrak" stuff. Of course opinions (and mileage) do vary and I am very pleased to see that Crimso is recording new material, so I think I'll just crawl back into my easy chair and immerse myself in the TGD box set. I'm sure there will be equal number of flames which will result from this post, but I encourage you to put your efforts into finding this track and turning it up and giving it a listen. Brian ********************************************** Brian E. Rounsavill, Meetings and Programs Manager The Electrochemical Society, Inc. 10 South Main Street Pennington, New Jersey 08534-2896 USA Phone: (609) 737-1902 Fax: (609) 737-2743 E-mail: brian at electrochem dot org ECS Home Page: http://www.electrochem.org/ ********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:20:35 +0100 (BST) From: Markus Schneemann Subject: enigmatic Palmer-James/re-ET307 Mike Bates wondered if the whereabouts and other info on R. Palmer-James are FAQ. I suppose it's not, unfortunately. As the KC lyricist from 1972-4Palmer-James wrote some wonderful lyrics - consider for example "The Nightwatch" - a marvelous short and atmospheric description of Rembrandt's painting, with this little irony added - "redbrick home and bourgeoisie"/ "husbands of his ladyfriends" / "guitar lessons for the wife" (reminder of Vermeer's paintings), and fittingly a short Fripp guitar solo after that. We want to know more about him, and possibly read more of his poems! Please mail to ET or to me privately if you know something about him. Markus, Oxford UK - schneema at icrf dot icnet dot uk ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #308 ********************************