Errors-To: et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Reply-To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #299 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 299 Friday, 23 August 1996 Today's Topics: Of Mellotrons, Magazines and Sampler CD's The Emotional Fripp Re: Scott Johnson/XTC NJ Ticket Available -- GREAT SEAT!!! THE ULTIMATE COLLABORATION!!! Trying to recognize tracklist from KC-shows 69-74 and Re: Horde times Gold CDs Chuck Mangione "Alive" Dreamband, part II gold cds Philly: Mann Music Ctr---Ticket Available: 26 August! RE: True or False? Trey Gunn: The Third Star Exposure RF Roxy & Crimso Re: Elephant Talk Digest #298 Re: True or false? Correction... Twiddly Beats Peter Sinfield Sylvian Dreamline-up GIG REVIEWS Crimson in St. Louis KC @ Darien Lake, NY, 8/20 ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk UNSUB/ADDRESS CHANGES: Send a message with a body of HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ ETWEB: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ (partial mirror at http://members.aol.com/etmirror/) THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:27:29 -0400 From: sid smith <106050 dot 2211 at compuserve dot com> Subject: Of Mellotrons, Magazines and Sampler CD's After all of the recent postings about the Mellotron I thought Eter's might also want to know about a radio show that I did in which all of the music played featured the mighty majesty of the Mellotron. Hard though it was, there was no Crimson because I've had a previous slot on air which gave them a good plug and this show is aimed at a more generalist audience. HELLO HORRAY - ALICE COOPER, SEMI DETACHED SURBAN MR JAMES - MANFRED MANN, DAYS - THE KINKS HERO AND HEROINE - THE STRAWBS, KITES - SIMON DUPREE & THE BIG SOUND, 2000 LIGHT YEARS FROM HOME - THE ROLLING STONES, LADY TRON - ROXY MUSIC (produced by Peter Sinfield), TENAMENT LADY - TREX, LET'S GO TO SAN FRANCISCO - THE FLOWERPOT MEN, BLOOD ON THE ROOFTOPS - GENESIS, BLACKBERRY WAY - THE MOVE THIS WHEELS ON FIRE - JULIE DRISCOLL, O CAROLINE - MATCHING MOLE, SLUSH - BONZO DOG BAND On a completly different note I'd like to thank Jim Bailey for his posting in ET296 which mentioned the magazine Impetus. This was produced in the UK in the mid 70's and I used to have half a dozen issues. Sadly due to sloppy archiving on my part (ie they got ditched when moving house) I no longer have them. However, I do remember it as a particularly good magazine which was well written and always extremely interesting, covering a wide range of music such as Henry Cow, John Stevens, Weather Report, Bob Downes, KT and KC. Produced on a shoe string budget it was clearly a labour of love for those involved. I think a writer named Angus McKinnon went on from Impetus to contribute or edit another legendary alternative music mag from the 70's called StreetLife. An altogether more expensive affair it nevertheless featured great music and excellent journalism. I would love to see a 90's version of this magazine available on the internet - though I have no idea how to go about setting one up. Anyone else out there interested ? If so mail me privately. Finally, a quick thanks to the good folks at DGM for sending out so promptly the "Sometimes God Hides" CD - well good indeed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:04:58 GMT From: et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk (Elephant Talk) Subject: The Emotional Fripp Organization: Elephant Talk Jim Sciarra wrote... > I would like to follow up by mentioning some of the non-Crimson tracks > where Fripp can actually move me to tears: I'm not completely au fait with the Frippoid's non-KC stuff (apart from the fairly pedestrian session material he played with Blondie and Talking Heads) but for me the single greatest Fripp moment is when the band shuts up during 'The Sailor's Tale' and plays his head off. The first time I heard it I was enraged with an emotion I can only describe as unmitigated envy. Listening to that passage forever makes me wonder why the blazes he ever bothered to have singers in the band. *----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Dickson - Elephant Talk Administration Queries (et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk) For subscription information post HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk *----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 20:45:57 -0700 From: gondola at deltanet dot com (E.B.) Subject: Re: Scott Johnson/XTC >From: "Jim Sciarra" > >In ET #295, gondola at deltanet dot com asked if anyone was familiar with Scott >Johnson. I have an album by him called "John Somebody", recorded in 1986, >and have been keeping an eye out for more of his work for the past 10 >years, without much luck. Where can his albums be found? Is "John >Somebody" available on CD? I believe that John Somebody is available on CD. I BELIEVE it is. I think! The new album Rock/Paper/Scissors (on Point Music, Philip Glass' label) is readily available, of course. Also, you might not be aware of the 1988 Patty Hearst soundtrack (a Paul Schrader film), which Johnson wrote. Grab that disc too, if you can find it. Both Patty Hearst and John Somebody are on Nonesuch. If you've heard John Somebody, the first piece on the new album (Convertible Debts) is similar, only this time the sampled quotes center around people saying, "Listen, I have a favor to ask you..." and similar corruptions/contractions thereof. The longer title piece doesn't use the sampling gimmick, but instead is a strings/guitar-type chamber work. I don't pretend to understand all the theories/structures behind Scott Johnson's music, but I just get a kick out of it. :) >From: Robert Cervero >Being new to E.T., I've followed recent debates/discussions/diatribes on >the similarities between KC and the Dead. I actually see stronger >parallels between my 2 favorite bands, KC and XTC (which in some are worlds >apart, but in other ways are musical brethern). They share the following: >[clip] I adore XTC and King Crimson too. And yes, I'm also a Chalkhillian. XTC and KC aren't my favorite two bands, but I would have a very hard time choosing between the two. They're both quite wonderful. I liked the point about "enigmatic, mole-like leaders who suffer stage fright," but I was curious about the record producer comment. What producers have King Crimson had such problems with? EB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:21:21 -0400 From: CMKaefer at aol dot com Subject: NJ Ticket Available -- GREAT SEAT!!! Hey friends... My brother has one ticket available for the upcoming gig at the Paramount Theater in Asbury Park, NJ. The show's on Saturday, Aug. 24 at 8pm. The seat is GREAT...Orchestra Row D. John (my bro) is asking $40.00 for the ticket ($36 + service & s/h). If you're interested, call John (ASAP!) 10am-10pm EST at (908) 221-0556...or, e-mail him at QWE123 at aol dot com. Cheers, Mark Kaefer PS...Sorry for the late notice! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 01:03:10 -0700 From: Pat Belanger Subject: THE ULTIMATE COLLABORATION!!! I've often wondered what wonderful music Robert Fripp and Bootsy Collins would come up with if they ever decided to collaborate. Since Robert loves his dance music such as "The League of Gentlemen", imagine what the Parliament/Frippadelic could create. I wonder if Robert and Bootsy have ever met each other. I know Jimi Hendrix loved Fripp's playing; I wonder if Bootsy loves Fripp's playing? This crazy thought came to me while driving home from work. Why? Because Fripp is my favourite guitarist and Bootsy is my favourite bassist. I believe these 2 great musical masters should get all funked-up and jam some of the nasty shit!!! Does anyone agree with me? I also just recently witnessed a fully operational mothership known as the Parliament/Funkadelic in concert in Detroit a couple of weeks ago. They amazed me just as much as Crimson did the 2 times I saw them. Both bands are musically astonishing!!! Maybe I'm just too funked up! JULIAN(from Canada) P.S. Even a collaboration between Belew and Bootsy Collins would be as equally mad!!! "Free your mind and your ass will follow"-Bootsy Collins ------------------------------ Organization: University of Mining and Metallurgy From: swierk at student dot uci dot agh dot edu dot pl (Pawel Swirek) Subject: Trying to recognize tracklist from KC-shows 69-74 and Re: Horde times Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:22:31 +0200 (MET DST) Hi all ET'ers, I tried to write correct setlist for KC shows 1969 - 74. I have only descriptions for some bootlegs, some bootlegs and "The Great Deceiver" album (only copy) I think, that tracklist for Plumpton Festival is following : ( source : bootlegs) 21 CSM Get Thy Bearings In The Court Of The Crimson King Improvisation (1) Travel Weary Capricorn Happy Family (instrumental) Improvisation (2) Drum Solo Mars Tracklist for Pittsburgh 29/4/74 : ( source : bootlegs + "The Great Deceiver" CD 3 ) Walk On... No Pussyfooting The Great Deceiver Lament Improv - Bartley Butsford Exiles Improv - Daniel Dust The Night Watch Doctor Diamond Starless Improv - Wilton Carpet The Talking Drum Larks' Tongues In Aspic p.2 ---First encore--- Book Of Saturday ---Second encore--- 21st CSM Tracklist for Toronto 24/6/74 : ( sources : setlist to bootleg "Bible Black" and "The Great Deceiver" p.4) Larks' Tongues In Aspic p.2 Lament Exiles Improv - The Golden Walnut The Night Watch Fracture Improv - Clueless And The Slightly Slack Starless ---encore--- 21st CSM Tracklist for providence is avaiable on The Great Deceiver p.1 and 2 (first 2 songs) about hordes (info for persons, who does not have digest with them) : Now letter "Horde times" is avaiable on my page : http://student.uci.agh.edu.pl/~swierk/kc_hordes.html -- Pawel Swirek @KING_CRIM on IRC ( * - not yet, maybe in future ) 1 Mailto: king_crim at irc dot pl 2 PGP finger: swierk at student dot uci dot agh dot edu dot pl 3 WWW : http://student.uci.agh.edu.pl/~swierk 4 :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 06:42:31 -0500 From: "James E. Hartman" Subject: Gold CDs In ET#298, "Jim Sciarra" said... >Emory is trying to imbue the medium with analog characteristics, but the >fact is, the laser in a CD player is picking up a stream of digital bits. >Each bit is either "1" or "0", on or off. It is not possible for some bits >to be more on or off than other bits. I do not question the fact that gold >is a more reflective surface than aluminum, but I am compelled to point out >that it doesn't matter. An increase in reflectivity does not affect the on >or off status of each bit. Thus, it cannot possibly have any effect on the >quality of the sound. Actually, the points of gold discs are 1) Since the gold surface is more reflective and less prone to errors introduced by the manufacturing process, the error correction on your CD player doesn't have to do as much correcting. This reportedly means the sound is better (less masking etc.). 2) Gold doesn't get "laser rot" (old term) like aluminum can. I have a couple of CDs that have rotted already, making them unplayable. The reflective surface went from the silvery color we're all familiar with to a dark muddy color. Oxidation CAN be bad. :( 3) To charge you more money for a similar product. (Had to get that one in there.) Despite points 1 and 2, I haven't heard any difference in my gold CDs that can't be attributed to other factors (mastering process being the most significant). MFSL makes very good CDs, but if they made them with aluminum instead of gold they'd probably sound just the same. I'm not picking on MFSL in particular here, they're just a company that springs to mind. ObKC: The HORDE festival came through town just before KC joined up with them. I ran around for a couple of days in a panic because I had been told KC was there. Thanks to the ET web site with the concert listings, I didn't buy tickets and wade through some bands I didn't care about waiting to hear Crimson. While I probably missed some other good sounds, I don't have infinite supplies of cash to go see concerts. Thanks, Toby! -- James E. Hartman | Austin, TX, USA | http://www.eden.com/~jhartman/ "[N]o society, no matter how liberal its laws may appear to be, will allow its basic concepts to be challenged with impunity." -- Robert A. Heinlein, "Stranger in a Strange Land" ------------------------------ From: "Heilbronner, Michael" Subject: Chuck Mangione "Alive" Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 10:00:00 -0400 The following is an exchange between me and Mark Perry of Possible Productions. He suggested I post it to ET: Me: "I believe one of your mailings solicited our suggestions for releases. I've previously suggested Music for Piano and Drums and the Live at Frejus video. Something else I'd love to have on cd is "Alive" by the Chuck Mangione Quartet from 1972 on Mercury Records. Tony Levin plays excellent bass on a great jazz album. Apparently, Chuck wasn't too popular back then as it's been out of print for years. I have the lp. I suspect this may be a bit obscure, but I think it would sell to most Tony Levin fans, particularly those who like jazz. Hope you're having a nice summer. Thanks." Mark's Response: "Michael, Good suggestion! Good record! Way too obscure for most of the people. You should post this on Elephant Talk. Mark Perry PS Keep 'em coming!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:48:20 +0200 From: kriskras at knoware dot nl Subject: Dreamband, part II Good day to all of you Crimsonites (again), How about this one: Adrian Belew: Guitar Buckethead: Guitar Lisa Dalbello: Vocals Tony levin: Bass Najma Akhtar: Vocals Terry Bozzio: Drums Bernie Worrell: Keyboards mixed and produced by Bill Laswell. I would! BTW: the idea of a parliament/funkadelic/king crimson wuz really cool! Martijn Martijn Busink kriskras at knoware dot nl ------------------------------ From: Terrence Dorsey Subject: gold cds Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 08:09:30 -0700 before this topic dies (and i hope it will): an article on the topic of digital recording and the listening experience appeared earlier this week (i want to say sunday, but i'm not absolutely sure) in the arts section of the New York Times. terry ------------------------------ From: Thom Smith Subject: Philly: Mann Music Ctr---Ticket Available: 26 August! Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 14:11:00 PDT This may be late notice, but I have *one* extra ticket for KC in Philadelphia at the Mann on Monday, 26 August. $30 If interested, e-mail me at work (smitht at cpcuiia dot org) or call me Friday or Monday (610) 644-2100 x7515 or leave a phone message over the weekend at (610) 431-3065. It's on a credit card and waiting at the door with my others (4), so the recipient and I can make pick-up and/or travel arrangements (i.e., if you're on the way, you may get a free ride if you want). Thom Smith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:00:18 -0700 From: ca dot qc at bdi dot hcc dot com (CA QC) Subject: RE: True or False? >"Roxy made the avalon tour with King Crimson in 1982." Arnie-- not exactly sure if KC toured with Roxy Music, but they shared the bill at least once--check out the Frejus France King Crimson video. 1982 seems about right--given the material performed by KC. KC opened for Roxy Music at this show. Roxy released a live CD from this show--called, I think, Live in Frejus--I remember there being a woman with hair or the lack thereof similar to Sinead O'Connor's "hairstyle" on the cover of this CD at least. Additionally there is a videodocumentary of Roxy Music which has some footage from this show. In one of the two aforementioned videos, there is a shot of a poster showing KC and Roxy on the same bill. --Thomas B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 15:09:38 -0400 From: TRAPDOOR1 at aol dot com Subject: Trey Gunn: The Third Star Trey Gunn "The Third Star" available NOW from Discipline Records ---------------------- The Players Trey Gunn -- 8 and 12 string Warr Guitars, Chapman Stick (tr.4) Toyah -- Vocals (tr. 2) Alice -- Vocals (tr. 5) Serpentine -- Vocals (tr. 10) Bob Muller -- Drums, Tabla, Bandir, Percussion, Cluster Flutes Pat Mastelotto -- Drums, Percussion Mixed by David Bottrill ---------------------- The heaventree of stars hung with humid nightblue fruit. -- James Joyce ---------------------- The Pieces 1. Dziban (Gunn) 2. Symbiotic (Wilcox, Gunn) 3. Arrakis (Muller, Gunn) 4. Sirrah (Gunn) 5. The Third Star (Bissi, Gunn) 6. Acquiring Canopus (Mastellotto, Gunn) 7. Kaffaljidhma (Mastellotto, Gunn) 8. Yad Al-Gawza (Muller, Gunn) 9. Kuma (Muller, Gunn) 10. Indiera (Gunn) ---------------------- It will be clear that putting little white dots on a blue-black surface is not enough. -- Vincent Van Gogh _________________________________________________ also, check out his in-coming road diaries at: http://www.rockslide.com/crimson/trey/trey.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 20:06:12 -0400 From: "Timothy D. Hufnagle" Subject: Exposure I, along with almost every other Daryl Hall and John Oates fan, am desperately searching for any type of copy of the test pressing of Fripp's "Exposure" LP. The test pressing does exist, and Daryl Hall sings lead on most of the tracks. I know it exists because Mark Perry several years back said he had a copy of it, but was not allowed to re-copy it. I would like to get in touch with him, if possible, about finding out who the original owner is. Is his email address still dinokiller at aol dot com ? I am willing to pay almost any amount of money to receive a copy of this rarity. I am open to suggestions; all of the normal avenues (searches, GOLDMINE) have been exhausted. Experienced help from Fripp/Crimson fans is my last resort! The copy does not have to be original; it can be a second-, third-, etc. generation copy. As a member of 3 international Daryl Hall and John Oates Fan Clubs, I can vouch for them when I say that no one from any of these organizations has ever heard this treasure before. Is there a way to have "copies" available for H&O fans, or is this too risky of a request with copyright regulations and the fact that it is a test pressing? Please help me out! I have given up hope with trying to find this item. Somebody somewhere has a copy of this thing that would be nice enough to dub it for another fan. If not, what are the possibilities of Fripp's record company releasing it? In this day and age of music availability, record companies galore are releasing demos, previously unreleased versions of stuff that sounds awful. But they sell!!!! Please get in touch with me ASAP! Thank you for your time!! -Tim Hufnagle txh120 at psu dot edu ...and as Jimmy Durante always said, "Goodnight, Mrs. Hufnagle, wherever you are!" *---------------------------------------------------------------------------- *------------------------------------------------- Timothy D. Hufnagle *author *drummer *procrastinator *third year student at Penn State University -- Altoona Campus with no clue (e-mail address): txh120 at psu dot edu (home address): (college address--until May 1, 1997): 74 East Fairview Avenue 810 East Wopsononock Avenue Sellersville, PA 18960-2611 Pennview 3 - B (215)257-7058 Altoona, PA 16601 (814)943-9832 *---------------------------------------------------------------------------- *-------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 19:48:07 EDT From: Clay Gaunce Subject: RF Hello. I have been searching and searching the web for a biography including early information about Robert Fripp. I found a little "Background" in David Sylvian's page, and elsewhere learned that he was apparently born 5/16/46 in England. But where in England? And where was he educated? What did he do between age 11, when he began playing guitar, and 1969? How did he and Peter Sinfield meet, and what circumstances surrounded their split? etc., etc. Can you point me somewhere, please? Perhaps there's a FAQ list I've missed... Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 18:53:55 CDT From: Paul Gelpi Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa, AL Subject: Roxy & Crimso Greetings fellow Crimso fans, In the Wed. 21 Aug. ET someone posted about Roxy Music touring in 1982 w/KC as the opening act (RM's _Avalon_ tour). Well I cannot speak for the entire tour (although I thought KC was the opening act in Europe) but at least in Frejus, France KC was the opener. In the video history of Roxy Music there is footage from the Frejus show and it shows a poster for the event which clearly states that KC was on the bill. BTW the RM part of the show is captured on _Heart Still Beating_ (all in all a rather good document of late RM live IMHO). As to the poster's other query about RF guesting on a Bryan Ferry song well there is always the discography accessible through the ET web page. Cheers. (& remember new Belew on 10 Sept.) Paul Gelpi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 21:38:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Ashley Edward Collins Subject: Re: Elephant Talk Digest #298 Josh Emory wrote: > playing thier instruments. With KC though I think you are going out on a > limb with "heavy drugs". Unless you're including caffiene, alcohol and > asprin as heavy drugs. With Fripp, perfectionist that he is, you're probably right. However, considering the era, I wouldn't be surprised if other band members up through, say, Red, at least dabbled. Unless of course Fripp, disciplinarian he is (pun definitely intended) forbade it. Ashley Collins aec200z at barbados dot cc dot odu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 22:40:11 -0400 From: Biffyshrew at aol dot com Subject: Re: True or false? ASchulberg at aol dot com inquired about these Roxy rumors: >1. Robert Fripp,later,has collaborated with Eno and >played in a Ferry's single (i don't remember the name >but it was of the time of 'In your Mind'). True and true. Fripp and Eno have played together frequently, most notably on their two-an-a-half duo albums. The Bryan Ferry single you refer to is called "As The World Turns," and is the B-side of "This Is Tomorrow" from In Your Mind. Fripp confirmed to me that he plays on this. >2.Also,Roxy made the Avalon tour with King Crimson in 1982. I don't think they actually toured together in 1982, but they did play together at Frejus, where Crimson's The Noise video was taped. Your pal, Biffy the Elephant Shrew @}-`--}---- Visit me at http://users.aol.com/biffyshrew/biffy.html "...these insufferable Fripps, men who ought never to be trusted..."--P.G. Wodehouse, "The Fiery Wooing Of Mordred" ------------------------------ Date: 22 Aug 96 23:42:41 EDT From: "Robert C. Parducci" <76206 dot 3036 at CompuServe dot COM> Subject: Twiddly Beats Request submitted to Notes from the Edge and Elephant Talk: Finally, does anyone know about Bill Bruford's contributions to a product called Twiddly Beats? These are MIDI sequences performed by professional musicians that you can incorporate into your own recordings. They have been reviewed and advertised in Keyboard magazine. Robert C. Parducci 76206 dot 3036 at compuserve dot com "If I could only touch the reason, I would surely find the key" LEGEND: In Our Own Time http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rcp/ ------------------------------ From: Ghezzi Subject: Peter Sinfield Dear Toby, This is my second attempt to get some information from fellow ETers on Peter Sinfield the "words and inspiration" / and sometimes illustrator of early King Crimson vinyl albums. As far as I know he put out a solo album "Still" way back. Can any one bring me up to date on what he is doing these days? I did not receive any acknowledgement to my previous posting on the same topic and I have not seen it on subsequent newsletters (about 5). Is this not a "current" topic for discussion? Thanks Mario Ghezzi Mario Ghezzi, ghezzi at mania dot com dot au -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Internet Mania - www.mania.com.au - sales at mania dot com dot au 'The Cambpbelltown 046 Connection!' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 07:01:39 -0400 (EDT) From: mouser at ime dot net (RALPH JESSIE) Subject: Sylvian Hi all! Help! I'm looking for King Crimson/Fripp/Sylvian video - can anyone help? Also looking for Sylvian's Weatherbox and Emberglance. Thanks - Jessie ------------------------------ From: kriskras at knoware dot nl Subject: Dreamline-up Yes, it's me again One more thing about the Parliament/Funkadelic with Crimson on tour: The perfect indiscipline with discipline on one evening! Great! This is the last one from this week, I promise! Martijn Busink kriskras at knoware dot nl ------------------------------ REVIEWS ------------------------------ From: "James Mason Shelley, III" Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 18:00:15 EDT Subject: Crimson in St. Louis I went to see King Crimson at the HordeFest in St. Louis on August 9th. I know this was delayed but here is a little review of the show. I entered the Riverport Ampitheatre at about 5 after 5, after making the drive across state from Springfield, MO. I wasn't sure who played when, but I immediately heard Thela Hun Ginjeet coming up over the hill, so I sprinted the distance to my seat. The seating area was about half full, but I could tell many people were really into it (especially this one guy up in front...well, that is a different story all together). Anyway, they went into Red by the time I was standing in front of my seat, and it was loud and powerful, especially because that is my favorite. I snuck up closer to get a better look. It was my first time seeing them, but I noticed Robert Fripp playing unnoticed in the shadows, like I have heard. I also noticed Adrian Belew playing a big orange florescent guitar. I don't remember the exact song sequence, but they did some recent stuff, like Dinosaur and VROOM and Sex Sleep Eat Drink Dream, and they did a big instrumental, where at the beginning everyone cleared the stage except for the drummers and Mr. Fripp playing along on guitar, alone on the stage floor between the mighty drums. They went into Elephant Talk sometime after all that, with Mr. Belew on power drill guitar duty. And then they closed it all up with Indiscipline, which was appropriate because that was also my introduction into King Crimson. It was quite a show though, however different compared to the surrounding acts. Nothing else really could compare. The rest of the festivities were so-so. I am a big Rusted Root fan, having recently moved from the Pittsburgh area, so I enjoyed that. But Crimson was definitely the highlight of the day, and of the month, and of the year, for that matter. It will definitely be remembered. Actually, now I am back where I live in Virginia, so I am hoping to make arrangements to make it up to Maryland on the 25th for their non- Horde show there. That would make the perfect pair. But I could only dream of three... Jim Shelley jms5x at virginia dot edu http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~jms5x ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:37:20 -0400 From: Jonathan Ehret Subject: KC @ Darien Lake, NY, 8/20 For what it's worth: It was a bittersweet day. After seeing KC last year in their US opener, at a brand-spanking-new acoustically designed performing arts center, this was kind of a letdown. KC were allowed an hour of HORDE time, just under a third of what I heard a year ago. Yet, knowing that when I bought my HORDE ticket, I still gladly paid $33 to again experience Mr. Fripp and Co. This venue also allowed those of us with unreserved tickets to sit where we wished for the first two acts -- KC and Rusted Root -- so I availed myself of a third-row-center seat after pushing through the crowds of 13- and 14-year-olds. It was worth the effort, despite the short set. This crowd was pretty much like other HORDE shows mentioned: too young to give a crap, too stoned to pay attention, or a combination of the two. I was surprised when the kids in front of me -- age 14 or 15 at the most -- said they really liked the three openers. They, too, however, lost interest after the first few tunes. It's twerps like these that make me more bitter at 30 than ever. Forgive me for not remembering the exact set list, but it seemed similar yet shorter than others mentioned recently. I do remember one thing: getting my face blown off by the first three, though -- Elevens, Thela Hun Ginjeet and Red. Later came (in as best an order as I can remember) Dinosaur, VROOOM VROOOM, Sex Sleep Eat Dream, LTiA2, Waiting Man, B'Boom/THRAK, and Three of a Perfect Pair, the best of those being LTiA2 and Waiting Man. I did miss not hearing Indiscipline and, especially, 21st c. Schizoid Man. Anyone else noticed that Adrian's drill has a big label on it that says, in caps: THRAK ATTAK? A thought: Considering Fripp's highly discussed stance on bootlegs, it strikes me as interesting that he was willing to commit the band to HORDE. There were a significant number of mike stands attached to tape decks in the crowd, status quo for such festivals. Has this been the case at other HORDE shows? Perhaps Fripp feels the opportunity to expose KC to a much younger and diverse crowd than typical KC shows is worth the potential copyright infringement. Any recent young converts want to help me out on that thought? During THRAK, Mastelotto and Bruford had a funny cross-stage competition for a moment. Pat played a certain combination and Bill pounded back a retort, then pointed at Pat with his drumstick. They then repeated their exchange with new combinations, at which point Bill, with his elbow on the skins, flipped off Mastelotto by holding up one of his sticks as an extension of his middle finger. They both laughed about the whole thing. They all seemed to be enjoying themselves so much (except maybe Fripp, who I think is secretly enthralled -- enTHRAKed -- but just refuses to loose his concentration), I couldn't help but go away wanting to see them again. Maybe next time it will be a longer show... -- Jon ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #299 ********************************