Errors-To: et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Reply-To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: DanKirkd at aol dot com Precedence: bulk From: DanKirkd at aol dot com To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #294 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 294 Thursday, 1 August 1996 Today's Topics: KC on Showtime in 1984 90s Mellotrons Will Earthbound be released on CD? THRaKaTTaKed my KLipSChOrNS pT-II cents Jimi, Robert, The Universe & Everything mellotrons/thrak attak/horde Tangerine Dream and mellotrons The Beloved album 'X' Two More Days Re: UK Releases 21csm single/cd stores Wife and KC Vernon Reid & Re:mellotron on nights in white satin/Yes facts Songs that don't use a mellotron.... Mojo Top 100 Guitarists. greek tonight Mellotron, sax and humor(?) two quick mellotron notes: cancel my MOJO subscription Questions from Mexico ThrakAttack=Infrared Roses=ARC=Zero Tolerance For Silence Thrakattak THRaKaTTaCK PoPQuiZ Live 73-75: Great Deceiver ASBURY PARK DIRECTION INFORMATION Pick of the Week Dancing to Frippetronics ! USA Tape, email lost due to VIRUS please re-send. horde times Woman&KC- the radical therapy;BobbyPrevite... Damage Availability Guitar Craft More Mellotron Thrak from a New KC fan Sometimes God Hides 21csm goes Hip-Hop Possible Productions' Web Page... HORDE Newspaper/description of KC Re: Avenida Currientes CD Mailman Mellotron Yes 'facts' inquiry into relative KC fanaticism Beat - Elephant Talk Digest Music THRaK 'n' THRaNG Whoah! Look-ey what I got! Mellotron anecdote; The Ring (Modulator) "Crimso" nickname-origin CGT during Olympic broadcast KC on Olympics 100m Dash Intro. More Fripp stuff on NBC's Olympic Coverage KC on NBC Crimson Olympics Fripp's influence on the Olympics CGT on Olympics Robert Fripp & Co. and Olympic Games God's Monkey Anybody been *listening* to the Olympics? :) Olympic Underscore Olympic Fripp/KC/RFSQ Music LOCG& the Olympics TICKET FOR ASBURY PARK SHOW Tickets: Asbury Park Ticket For Sale I am looking for good tickets to Cincinnati KC show! *** Plus: GIG REVIEWS *** Gig Review Berlin june 5, '96 Hard Rock Heaven under a sheltering sky in Berkeley Thela and Neurotica in Las Vegas Crimson at the Greek Posting on ET of Gig Review Re: Set list for the Berkeley, Ca show. 7/26 ? KC at the Greek Theatre Berkeley concert/possible live recording? Gig Review: 7/27/96 Greek Theater, Los Angeles Sound from DSMRNGDO at aol dot com ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk UNSUB/ADDRESS CHANGES: Send a message with a body of HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ ETWEB: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ (partial mirror at http://members.aol.com/etmirror/) THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- From: Dan Kirkdorffer (DanKirkd at aol dot com) First of all, my apologies to anyone who finds this issue of ET too long. It includes a week's worth of postings. I was hoping to put this issue out on Tuesday, but just couldn't find the time. Secondly, anyone looking for material they've sent to me for use on ET Web, please be patient. I hope to update thing very soon. Finally, the Rockslide site seems to be back up. No explanation why it was down. So, without making this issue any longer than it already is, I'll bid you happy reading. Dan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 14:18:35 CDT From: Paul Gelpi Organization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa, AL Subject: KC on Showtime in 1984 Greetings ETers, Back in 1984 KC appeared on the US cable network Showtime in a brief 2 song concert montage that was part of a series of brief live performances aired by the network...does anyone else remember this? I believe they played "Sleepless" and "Heartbeat". The segment had slipped my mind until last night when my wife and I were discussing KC and RF appearences on TV...thanks to the post about RF and the League of Crafty Guitarists hosting the New Visions program back in early 1988...and she reminded me about the Showtime spot. (All of this is to say that yes my wife likes KC as much as I do.) Does anyone have a tape of this performance? I cannot remember which part of 1984 the spot was aired although I think it was after October but then again... On a similar note did any ETers see the VH1 history of music video over July 4th weekend? K was run early Friday morning. Was KC in the block? I am curious about this given VH1's ommission of KC when discussing the HORDE tour. Lest I forget I finally got my copy of "ThrakAttak" a few days ago (as usual I had to special order it) and let's just say as many already have: AMAZING. While I am on the subject of improv let me add my 2 cents to the GD/KC thread. Although I am not in the least a deadhead or even that big of a fan of the Dead I have listened to a good bit of their music especially early 1970s stuff (so if I miss the mark entirely...) and appreciate the centrality of improv to their music. IMHO improv in a GD context seems to be less of a group of musicians improvising as a unit than a collection of individuals improvising as such for the majority of the time. While improv in a KC context IMO seems to be the reverse. So IMHO the comparison seems to be one of oranges and lemons rather than oranges and oranges. IN NO WAY DO I INTEND THIS AS A CRIMSO IS BETTER THAN THE DEAD POST OR EVEN A COMPARISON OF THEIR RESPECTIVE MUSICAL STYLES AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS...MY POINT IS THAT THEY SEEM TO PHILOSOPHICALLY CONCEPTUALIZE IMROV DIFFERENTLY. In ET #292 John Morris asked: >Also, is there anywhere else I coul attain a new copy of USA? I've seen copies of USA (along w/other 1969-1975 KC releases on EG) at some Camelot Music stores in the bargain tape bins for the past few years. Although I must admit I have not checked in the past 6 months or so. I hope this helps. If anyone would prefer to e-mail me directly concerning my inquiry about KC on Showtime or other matters feel free to do so. Happy Listening. Paul Gelpi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:44:59 GMT From: et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk (Elephant Talk) Subject: 90s Mellotrons Organization: Elephant Talk "David G. Shaw" wrote... > I also remember another manufacturer of taped sample keyboards, > Chamberlain, who claimed to have improved upon the Mellotron design. > Anyone else know anything bout them? They were even more fragile than the Mellotron, losing tone and clarity very quickly indeed. I believe that Streetly Electronics (the firm that made the Mellotron) bought the design concept over from Chamberlain. FWIW, the Mellotron's 'successor', the Birotron, was even worse, using permanently 'playing' cartridges for each key, the keystroke actually completing the play circuit rather than instancing the tape movement, permitting fast runs into the bargain. Since they were on cartridges, the used tape loops allowing over the Mellotron's seven seconds of play per key. However, the wear on the tape was excessive and they used a huge amount of power to run, permitting all the tapes to revolve without causing the load to drop the tone of the tapes or whatever. (The M400 series dropped by about a semitone if you tried anything more complex than a triad) The bottom line is, sadly, that analogue samplers like the 'Trons were really far too fragile, cantankerous and expensive for most people to afford. :( *----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Dickson - Elephant Talk Administration Queries (et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk) For subscription information post HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk *----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:45:19 -0400 (EDT) From: FISHBOY Subject: Will Earthbound be released on CD? Hello, I have a question that may be unanswerable at this point, but I'll ask anyway. Does anyone know if there are plans to rerelease _Earthbound_? I know there was mention in the 1995 tour program of an upcoming release called _Earthbound II_, but I haven't seen any mention since, so I'm wondering if plans were scrapped (probably just put on hold?) This all ties in with the Schizoid Man single because although the disc specifically states that the 1969 and 1974 live versions are from upcoming releases, it doesn't say that for the 1972 Earthbound version. Thus, I'm wondering if I need to buy this single or not to get this version on CD. If singles didn't go out of print as quickly as they do, I wouldn't need to worry about this. :( Anyone with any info please email me at aacunzo at ccmail dot sunysb dot edu. Thanks, Andy Acunzo ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 22:24:51 From: cbarber at gnn dot com (CHARLES BARBER) Subject: THRaKaTTaKed my KLipSChOrNS pT-II cents Thank you to those of you out there in ET land regarding my comments (FANTASY) on THRaKaTTaK being a wild movie score. I am even more impresed with the gentleman who applied THRaKaTTaK to a computer game (BUEL playing QUAKE). THERE now THATS the idea!! A word of caution and advice. Does anyone really believe or think that Hollywood would even dare use this type of musical scoring in one of thier movies? Sorry to those located out there who may be employed in the 'industry', but I don't think the creativity or genius to even attempt such a feat would exist or happen. EXAMPLE: I always thought that ELP's TARKUS would have made an excellent evening news lead-in as background 'music' background; never seen/heard it!!! And I seriously don't think that Mr.Fripp would place his hard earned reputation, or the KC name and fellow musicians, past and present in the hands of Hollywierd (except for Francis F. Coppola). Of course Jim Morrison would play the bad guy (if not the script writer)..... I should apologize to him (RF) maybe for the thought. But just imagine leaving the theatre totally freaked and unable to sleep. THaTs thE dREaM....... So I leave you with my cracked window (i joke you not), and Kitty (aka SAM) peacefully sacked out, clueless and bible blank to the fact that at any moment he might just get THRaKeD again (generally he just snoozes through the racket). Has anyone checked their DISCIPLINE stickers lately?? Ah that Fripp, he's a sly one..... 63277263this625368426104151253051524357161 110248night5142327415106341218313435516735 8047234wounds82610436251204627228420812134 237262546time,5622382436320483611148391354 Cb ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subject: Jimi, Robert, The Universe & Everything Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 20:08:26 -0000 From: WOTAN >1. I can't get "Easy Money" out of my head. (It's been five days). >2. Jimi is dead. Fripp is alive To all interested in this thread; when judging Jimi's accomplishments, don't forget to take into account that he single handedly changed the electic guitar in the time frame of his international professional life. About three years no? Actually, to be fair, he changed the guitar forever the day he stepped out on the Montery International Pop festival stage. His "debut" in the US. This whole thread is starting to sound like an old review of a Peter Gabriel album I often think of. The critic liked the album but he couldn't help but get in some last "digs" saying "I don't know if Gabriel is really a good songwriter, or if he just has a knack for knowing what words sound good together". It was this review that convinced me that all critics are cretins. Anyway, I wish there was another guitar player/composer out there as gifted as Jimi or Robert but we'll have to be satisfied with what Jimi left us and what Robert has left in store. >4. I only have one Fripp solo album (Network?). Can someone suggest one > or two of the better ones that I should buy? (ok to e-mail direct). Exposure. Stop what you are doing right now and go get it. >5. I live for King Crimson Don't we all? **************** Visit General Music 101 +===+ o +===+ at | | /|\ | | http://www.concentric.net/~selzler/ |~~~| Co-"=|~~~| |___| / \ |___| - The Road Goes on Forever - **************** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 23:31:18 -0400 (EDT) From: claire shindler Subject: mellotrons/thrak attak/horde To add to the list, Pink Floyd's early masterpiece "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun" features some wild Mellotron, as does (I think) "A Saucerful of Secrets." Also, Nick Mason's silly solo contribution on disc 2 of UMMAGUMMA has lots of Mellotron-flute playing in the first and last section. Several posters have compared ThrakAttack with the Dead album "Infrared Roses." Well, for the not-so-faint-of-heart, Phil Lesh (bassist for the Dead) put together a 2-disc set called "Grayfolded," which is made up of improvised sections from 25 years of live renditions of their psychedelic freak-out "Dark Star." As it's priced around $30 and not so easy to find, I've avoided it so far, but I'm very, very curious. The only review I've seen was in the hopeless BASS PLAYER magazine, and they rated it "too strange to judge," which leaves me wondering what they thought of ThrakAttack. Anyone going to the Hartford, CT HORDE show: e-mail me if ya want to meet beforehand! Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: MarkDAshby at aol dot com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 00:01:51 -0400 Subject: Tangerine Dream and mellotrons To the person who just mentioned Tangerine Dream's use of mellotrons, you are quite correct. Being as big a fan of TD's as I am, I don't know why it didn't strike me sooner! The mellotron-heavy albums of theirs are PHAEDRA (1974) -- particularly the track "Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares," RUBYCON (1975), and ENCORE (1977), though it comes up variously in all their '70's work. Also, Edgar Froese's solo album EPSILON IN MALAYSIAN PALE (1975) is virtually an homage to the mellotron. Talk about saturated. If you're really big on the 'tron and want to hear an album of what it can do almost on its own, that's the one to get. The disc I have is a Virgin Records pressing, number CDV2040, if anyone wants to track it down. Howdy to all the folks going to Merriweather in August (I'll be one of the five rowdy guys in Row U Center). -MDA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:33:00 +0900 (JST) From: nswtokyo at gol dot com (Craig Peacock) Subject: The Beloved album 'X' Sorry if this has been discussed before. I am reasonably new here, but I'm yet to see anyone make mention of Robert's excellent contributions to the 'X' album by The Beloved. With the addition of some subtle 'soundscapes' and 'sky saw' guitar, Robert has turned some quite ordinary material into some great listening. Any fan of Robert would do well to check this out. It's on eastwest in the UK and was released about a month ago. Also, to the student of Japanese who wrote that "mattu" is the plain form of the verb "to wait": I don't know who teaches you, but they got that wrong. There is only one possible Romanisation of that word and it's "matsu". The phrase "matte kudasai" used in this context by Adrian implies a yearning of sorts, rather than a simple "please wait". Cheers. ________________________________________________________ Craig Peacock - Assistant Representative, NSW Government Office Tokyo E-mail: nswtokyo at gol dot com Tel: +81-3-5214-0770 Fax: +81-3-5214-0775 NSW Government Home Page: http://www.nsw.gov.au/ "There is a necessary freedom within the subordinate parts of the Creation, that the creation might be creative. This is our freedom: that, if we wish, we may co-operate with the unfolding Creation. This freedom is our right as human beings. This freedom is also our obligation as human beings. So, our right and obligation are the same.The price to be paid for this freedom is to honour the obligation. The reward for honouring this obligation is freedom." (Robert Fripp, 1994) ________________________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: access1 at earthlink dot net Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 21:40:28 -0700 Subject: Two More Days Hi all Only two more days 'til the explosion in L.A. No, not from aliens blowing stuff up. No, this is eminating from something much more menacing. Coconuts bursting in 11/8 time!!(Obscure ET reference blend) Can't wait to be amazed yet again; we do have to savor these things while we can, or while the entity called King Crimson will continue to let us. To present an example of a real reaction to ThrakAttack: I put ThrakAttack on at a relatively low volume while my girlfriend, who likes a few Fripp-related things (Gabriel, Sylvian, classical, Etc...) typed some e-mail in the next room. She was out in about 2 1/2 minutes flat. "What are you trying to do, DRIVE ME INSANE!!??!!" The berating I took didn't stop 'til long after the music did. She couldn't believe THAT was the disc I hunted down so obsessively. "I was TRYING to relax, and then you put THAT on!" Etc... Keep in mind I'm not saying this is the typical reaction for all females, just the one I happen to be seriously dating! Just as many men are confused by KC. To all those who have even a remote interest in the '73-'74 period live stuff, shell out the $70 or so for the "Great Deceiver" box set, if you can find it. I thought it was a lot of money, but I finally broke down and fed the Crimso juggernaut another heap of greed (<-- Fruedian typo!), I mean green. If you find yourself reaching for LTIA and SABB more than the 80's or '68-'72 lineups (assuming you aren't consuming a steady diet of Thrak mixed with the Hamburger Helper of CD's, ThrakAttack), BUY THIS without hesitation if you haven't already done so! WARNING: Prolonged exposure to all this stuff can be extremely harmful to your stereo equipment, hearing, social life, neighbour relations, etc., and may affect job performance, the ability to operate heavy machinery, and the ability to drive a car. BE CAREFUL OUT THERE! As with all things, moderation is the key. May be habit forming. I'll stop now. See ya 10th row off to the right, even though I was first in line at the Ticketbastard outlet! Foiled again! Curses! Matthew ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: hawker at thenet dot co dot uk (gerry menzies) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 08:17:21 Subject: Re: UK Releases On 26-Jul-96, Elephant Talk wrote: > > One last thing, the only thing I can not get hold of over here, even > > in second hand shops is a copy of USA. I can't afford massive lots of > > UKPs for a copy, is there any kind soul got a spare tape copy of it? > > I'll tape my vinyl copy of it for you with pleasure. What's your > address? Do you have any *early* King Crimson bootlegs? Thanks m8, Gerry Menzies 8 Apollo Court Apollo street York Afraid not on the early King Crimson bootlegs, My collection of King Crimson music is very limited to say the least. I am down to copies of my records on tape, had most of my albums nicked a few years ago :-( probs of shared houses, glad I ain't in one any more. thanks for doing the tape m8, Really appreciate it, Gerry. __ __ __ / /_/ /__ __ __/ /_____ ____ / __ / _ `/ |/|/ / '_/ -_) __/ E-Mail:Hawker at thenet dot co dot uk /_/ /_/\_,_/|__,__/_/\_\\__/_/ Http://www.thenet.co.uk/~hawker IRC: #amirc [Hawker] IMPORTANT EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGE ON 30TH AUGUST 1996 OUR E-MAIL ADDRESS WILL BE AS FOLLOWING:For Gerry:Hawker at Menzies dot thenet dot co dot uk For Rachel:Kay-Kay at Menzies dot thenet dot co dot uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 09:55:59 +0200 (METDST) From: Guus Muijres Subject: 21csm single/cd stores Hi, Recently I saw the 21csm cd-single in a local record store. Some questions regarding this single: Is there a version of 21csm that has not been released previously (USA, Earthbound) or will be released sometime in the future? No mention has been made about the 1 minute frippertronic version of Silent Night on this single (previously released on a flexi disk accompanying a magazine, if I remember well). Only on the European release? A more personal matter .... This summer I will be driving from Salt Lake City to Denver and back. I wonder if someone out there could provide me with adresses of (preferably second-hand) CD stores in the areas I will be crossing. Thank you (and please reply on this last issue to me personally and not to ET) Guus Muijres. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 09:42:13 +0000 From: Orn Orrason Organization: Systems Engineering Laboratory Subject: Wife and KC Dear readers Many have written on the subject of their wife's appreciation of KC music. Here is my story: My wife (28) plays Oboe ( part time job ) in a amateur symphony orchestra. She has been confronted with all kinds of music, difficult, modern, challenging and old classical. She likes Stravinsky for example. For this reason I was hoping that she could stomach KC after that certain "burn in" period we all have gone through. Sadly to say she does not like them. Most of it is noise for here. For example Great Deceiver 4CD is pure noise. She says it is heavy metal but I say "listen through the noise, this music has an underlying quality". Perhaps the rough surface is not what she wants. She can listen to the more easy and beutiful songs like "Starless" and even whistles along some tunes. I am always telling her "hell listen to this extraordinary solo" sweating at the same time. She somehow does not hear what makes Fripp so extraordinary, I wonder ??? After 6 years of KC propoganda to her and up to 16 years to all of my friends I have come to the conclusion that KC is only for a small percentage of the population. An interesting question is: What is this percentage 5% ? What other does this subgroup have in common ? It would be interesting to do survey on that ? Thanks for reading through the rambling. -- ************************************************************* * ORN ORRASON - Communication Engineer - Univ. Iceland * * Systems Eng. Lab - Broadband Network Research group * * Tel +354 525 4699 Fax +354 525 4937 ossi at kerfi dot hi dot is * * Homepage in english:http://smyrill.kerfi.hi.is/~ossi * ************************************************************* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: gastarit at comm dot net Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 20:17:04 -0600 Subject: Vernon Reid & This may be a duplicate .... Unfortunately can't read ET in it's entirety as of late but anyway... The new Vernon Reid cd (excellent and somewhat innovative) pays some homage to RF & KC in the credits/liner notes section. Also thought the 100 best guitarists thread was hilarious..... Keith Richard was in the top 10. Steve Cropper the #2 guitarist of all time ? (heh heh)...I tend to think this was subliminally geared towards humorous inclinations. Or perhaps blatantly humorous ? It realistically points out how polls in general are meaningless. Downbeat (jazz mag.) publishes their critic's and people polls and it seems funny how Elvin Jones, DeJohnette and Max Roach take turns every other year to claim the best "drummer" spot. Pat Metheny releases a cd "lo and behold" he's best electric guitarist of the year. All great musicians but .......... Glenn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 13:35:31 +0200 From: Martin Stenson Subject: Re:mellotron on nights in white satin/Yes facts Gerard Coughlan wrote: >Led Zeppelin: Stairway to Heaven, the Rain Song, Kashmir > (definitive!!!) Kashmir, really? I've always thought that was a real orchestra on that one. >> For the albums "Going for the One" and >>"Tormato", Wakeman replaced his mellotron with a birotron >>which used an 8-track tape system yet the sounds are >>pretty much the same. >Now, I'm no huge YES fan, but didn't Rick Wakeman leave the group >after Tales of Topogr.......something or other in 1974/75. I may be >wrong but I think I'm sure. Yes, Patrick Moraz took his place on "Relayer", but Rick came back on "Going for the One" to leave again after "Tormato". Now I'm new to this list so I don't know if it have been mentioned before, but Cardiacs used a mellotron on "A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window". They have used mellotron samples after that. Any other Cardiacs fans on this list? There should be! Lots of Swedish bands use the mellotrons nowadays; Anekdoten, Anglagard, Landberk, Ritual, the Flower Kings, just to name a few. "My old band" use one on their CD. We split up in two fractions, one that wanted to do more progressive stuff, and one that wanted to stick to the blues oriented stuff. I was in the first and it didn't go very well. Ironically enough the other fraction became "Milky" who suported Rainbow on their last tour and got a CD out with a mellotron on it. Fortunately it doesn't sell very well ;). Martin. ***************************************************** "cause everything turns out nicely in the summertime" Tim Smith Cardiacs ***************************************************** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:22:32 -0400 From: "Gordon Emory Anderson" Subject: Songs that don't use a mellotron.... With all this incessant talk of mellotrons, i'd like to propse that we clog ET with a list of every song that has ever been recorded that DOESN'T use a mellotron......... [Please don't! Perhaps its time we moved on and dropped the Mellotron thread for now. Might be a good idea to add a blurb on the instrument to the ET FAQ - Dan] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: leslabb at prolog dot net Date: Fri, 26 Jul 96 01:03:11 -0500 Subject: Mojo Top 100 Guitarists. Graham posted the Mojo Top 100 guitarists in ET 293: >> Someone asked what were the top 100 guitarists as featured >> in Mojo last month. Here they are - where guitarists named >> have been sidemen, I've added bands/leaders. >> 4 Keith Richards >> 3 Peter Green >> 2 Steve Cropper >> 1 Jimi Hendrix How did Keith Richards get to #4? A buddy of mine used to spew the line "He has style!" Style? Where you can play stoned off your butt on heroin, sloppy chord missing stuff. This is style? It's like seeing Van Halen in 1980 where David Lee Roth is so drunk that he forgets half the lyrics to the songs, and people saying "David is God!!". It's like going to a YES concert and hearing Jon Anderson speaking in tongues :) Les Les Labbauf Email: leslabb at postoffice dot ptd dot net There is a fun and easy to use fixpack for WIN95, it's called OS/2 Warp http://home.ptd.net/leslabb/~index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 08:44:44 -0700 From: ca dot qc at bdi dot hcc dot com (CA QC) Subject: greek tonight Barry P/ETers vernon reid's group is the Wild Colonials as far as I know--so the advertisement has been finally properly billed--it is my understanding that the WC (hhhmm--a little (very little) Euro bathroom humor perhaps) consists of Vernon on Guitar, a horn player--clarinet I believe, a drummer and a DJ--so it's a fusion of trip hop/jazz/.... could be "illbient" Should be quite interesting. --Thomas B. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: JPRICE at TrentU dot ca Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Mellotron, sax and humor(?) Hello ETers, A really odd addition to the Mellotron jukebox; Freddy Fender's "Wasted Days and Wasted Nights." Now -that's- sinister! Also, my mistake. It's not (obviously) Mel Collins on sax on the 1969 cut on the Schizoid Man single, it's Ian McDonald. (d'oh!) Q. What's the difference between a Mellotron and a '57 Chevy? A. You can tune a '57 Chevy. J. P. Hovercraft ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:44:02 -0400 (EDT) From: murkie Subject: two quick mellotron notes: 1. - check out Genesis' "Selling England by the Pound" 2. - if there are any mellotron-sample-happy keyboardists looking for work in vermont, PLEASE private e-mail me. this goes for any cymbal-less brufoholic drummers in the green mountain state as well. (where are you?!) murkie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 10:03:24 -0700 From: ca dot qc at bdi dot hcc dot com (CA QC) Subject: cancel my MOJO subscription cancel my MOJO subscription immediately 'cause the MOJO's not working anymore. Echo and the Bunnymen's [or pick another guitarist from the list] guitarist made the list but not Adrian Belew? Actually that's probably a good thing--guess there'll just be more Adrian for the rest of us ;-) Besides, I thought that Adrian was the greatest living American guitarist. My apologies to Robert Fripp for making it. Isn't this one of the reasons why I stopped listening to TOP 40? --Thomas B. What is the sound of blowing smoke? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:36:51 -0600 From: orbis at data dot net dot mx (Carlos Malvido) Subject: Questions from Mexico Please bear with me. I am a great kc fan and i admire both your page and the excellent et digest, although i may say that sometimes i can not read it complete as it is very long. Will you please tell me if this is the proper way of sending information or questions? [Sure is - Dan] two remarks - Mr. Fripp and the court are coming to mexico, we've been waiting more than 20 years for the event so we will receive them as they deserve, as absolute Kings. I believe Mr. Fripp will see the tremendous amount of KC followers in our country. Particullary I appreciate what he has done for music. He is a trully legend and deserves the best. - Thrak is, the way i see it, some sort of Beatles tribute. The musical structures, the vocals and treatments suggest that. I found the end of people quite similar to I want you (she is so heavy); the solo guitars on farenheit are another example; sex, eat, etc... sounds a little bit as Mc Cartney on his best and still with some other songs. Anybody interested? thrakathanks a lot. please (anybody) keep in touch. carlos Malvido from Mexico (WE LOVE KING CRIMSON, NOBODY MATCHES, NOT EVEN THE ARCANGEL PETER GABRIEL). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:30:20 -0700 From: Kenley Neufeld Subject: ThrakAttack=Infrared Roses=ARC=Zero Tolerance For Silence Speaking of CD's with an ongoing theme of feedback and just straight out crazy music, Pat Metheny released a CD in 1994 which is in a similar vain. It has the very appropriate title of "Zero Tolerance For Silence." The CD was recorded in 1992 and is about 40 minutes with "song" titles called Parts 1-5. Musicians: Pat Metheny, all guitars. For any of you experimental and very tolerant music lovers out there, check it out. Very abrasive, beautiful and definitely _not_ your typical Pat Metheny. _________________________________________________________ Kenley Neufeld | University High School (San Francisco) | Associate Librarian neufeldk at usfca dot edu | Electronic Media Coordinator URL: http://www.usfca.edu/usf/neufeld/kenley.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "ToddM" Organization: LaserMaster Corporation Date: 26 Jul 1996 13:54:08CST6CDT Subject: Thrakattak The CD is fabulous. I picked it up at MediaPlay in Minneapolis over the weekend. What can I say that hasn't already been said? It's Crimson back to adventure land again. This ain't no Dinosaur. One thing: When Fripp's laserbeam lead guitar stops dead and there is PERFECT silence - probably the best example of noise gating on the planet, or just good engineering? I love that. Anyone know what kind of gate he's using there? Dark, ominous and scary to be sure. Todd Madson Associate Technical Specialist (ATS) LaserMaster Big Color Technical Support W3 Site: http://www.waste.org/~crash/ Other mail address: crash at waste dot org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:05:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Brooks A Rogers Subject: THRaKaTTaCK PoPQuiZ Hey Crimson subjects, here's a THRaKaTTaCK pop-quiz for you! On track #4, THRaKaTTaCK pt.1, Bobby starts playing a sort of distorted piano sample on his guitar synth (no it's not Belew, I know he's partial to piano samples on this CD but you can clearly hear him doing some little slide sound-effects during this). The question is: Bobby plays this little ascending trill figure which is note-for-note exactly like the ending of one of his guitar solos, SO WHICH ONE IS IT? (hint: it's on one of the live video concerts from the 80's, that was probably too much of a hint but happy hunting!). -Brooks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 20:04:23 GMT Subject: Live 73-75: Great Deceiver From: lordabay at nyc dot pipeline dot com (michaeldamianjeter) In the ET Digest #293, Al Stewart(The guy who did Year of the Cat? whom I saw a few weeks ago in a very innappropriate outdoor setting), wrote: >The last thing is I'm in the market for a good quality live >recording on c.d. of the 73-75 lineup (fripp,bruford,cross & whetton) >any recommendations out there? Yeah. Its called The Great Deceiver Box set, misspelled in the aforementioned digest by some idiot who claims to work for a college here in Brooklyn:-)(i before e EXCEPT after c, y' know?:-) -- michael damian jeter Dept. of English, Kingsborough Community College, Brooklyn, NY Purple Heart Chapman Stick#1193 Whatever you do, A teacher works harder than you do.-- George Clinton, Central Park, NYC, July 4, 1996 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subject: ASBURY PARK DIRECTION INFORMATION Date: Sat, 27 Jul 96 03:41:56 GMT From: rrrossi at mail dot nextstep dot net After reading the post from Trey a few issues ago mapping out the future plans (and studio efforts), I'll especially glad I'm going to HORDE at Saratoga and Asbury Park shows. I've been a big fan since 1976, but for many reasons (mostly my own insecurities, but I'll save that for the S.Freud newsletter) I've never been able to see the band. It figures - this is their last outing for a while, and I'm rarin' to go!!! Oh well.......... For those going to Asbury, but don't know how to get there, if you call the Paramount Theater, (908) 502-4581, you'll get their voice menu. Press 2 - that is the option for "directions from the north"; press 3 for "directions from the south". I would have typed them out, but the woman who reads them off must have had to go to the bathroom - she goes so fast, it's nearly impossible to get them on the first try. I was calling from work, and couldn't take the chance of making multiple calls. I might try from home and tape the call via the answering machine. RRR ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: access1 at earthlink dot net Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 19:29:23 -0700 Subject: Pick of the Week Hello to all ET'ers! KC got written up as the "Pick of the Week" in the LA Weekly newspaper here in Los Angeles. Here is the blurb that they ran: "Guitarist Robert Fripp started King Crimson in England more than 25 years ago to play an odd amalgam of rock, modern jazz and classical strains that did its part in the "flowering" of what is now derisively called the prog-rock era. While prone to the psuedo-profound lyrical floricisms of the other prog outfits, Crimson soon abandoned its Romantic pretentions for an increasingly muscular, metallic approach that resembled Bartokian electric chamber jazz more than any kind of windy flight through the clouds. The angular, dissonance-wracked attack of Lark's Toungues in Aspic and especially Red, both with bassist John Wetton and drummer Bill Bruford, morphed in the '80s with the replacement of Wetton by bassist Tony Levin and the addition of guitarist/singer Adrian Belew for a move into comparatively poppy songs often coupled with wry lyrics. Crimson's latest and most extreme front line is a double-trio format that compounds the band's already dense pieces by adding drummer Pat Mastelotto and Chapman Stick player/bassist Trey Gunn to the core of Fripp, Bruford, Belew and Levin. The sound is immense; these are devilish, intricate mosaics laid out in stark, dark and loud fashion. Belew's rather new-wavey songs and pretty MIDI-guitar orchestrations offer an occasional respite from the onslaught, but it's when this group is at its most complicated (often simultaneusly playing in several keys and time signatures) that they reach peaks of mind-blowing power. Prog, schmog - Crimson BURNS!" -John Payne Reprinted without permission from the LA Weekly, solely for the enjoyment of Crimson fans seeing their band get a really good, accurate review for a change! Matthew P.S. Only 24 hours left til showtime! I can hardly contain myself. Anyone know why Vernon Reid is no longer on the bill, replaced with Wild Colonials? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: max dot bracco at iol dot it Date: Sat, 27 Jul 96 22:51:26 Subject: Dancing to Frippetronics ! Dancing to Frippertonics is possible and with no magic mushrooms ! Recently I saw in Perugia during the Umbria Jazz Festival a show of the David Parsons Dance Company. It was a fine compilation of their best ballets, mostly accompanied live on stage by the Turtle Island String Quartet (no connection to the California Guit Trio or the RF String Quintet). One of the most amazing numbers was titled "Caught", on Fripp's music probably from the Frippertronics album"Let the power fall". It featured a cute use of stroboscopic lights, while the dancer was jumping : but he was synchronised so that you could only see him always floating, or better "walking on air" (maybe Belew took the idea for his song from this ballet !) Probably in America this Parsons' show has been seen lots of times, but it was the first time it was performed in Italy If you know of others ballets using KC or Frippian music, please let us now. Thrakgreetings to all Eters MAX from Italy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: hawker at thenet dot co dot uk Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 16:02:07 +0100 Subject: USA Tape, email lost due to VIRUS please re-send. First off I would like to say thanks to everyone who sent me email regarding my posting in the last issue. But due to a VIRUS I have lost a couple of peoples emails before I could reply. They were (1) from the person who wanted the UK shop address, and the other one was from the person who mentioned Lion Bars ib there email, Could you please resend your email, I will send you those Lion Bars :-). Please to the 2 people who's emails I have mentioned please re-send. I haven't ignored your email's just lost most of my email due to a virus. Thanks everyone who replied, if you haven't recieved a reply please email me again. Thanks again, Gerry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: 27 Jul 96 18:41:46 EDT From: Trey Gunn <74744 dot 443 at CompuServe dot COM> Subject: horde times KC HORDE times are: Kansas City, KS - 3:45 St. Louis, MO - 5:00 Nashville, TN - 5:00 Cincinnati, OH - 5:00 Pittsburgh, PA - 5:00 Boston, MA - 5:00 New York, NY - 3:30 Hartford, CT - 3:30 Saratoga, NY - 5:00 Buffalo, NY - 5:00 Portland, ME - 4:00 Hershey, PA - 4:45 but don't trust me, double-check with the venue. tg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 96 21:10:48 CET From: Marcin Gokieli Subject: Woman&KC- the radical therapy;BobbyPrevite... Hi, 1. Woman & KC. In the last et, somebody suggessted a very delicate way to intro duce your girlfriend to KC. It was not bad, although very slow. My hint is: a)Go to a record shop, look at N, and find 'NAKED CITY-LE GRAND GUIGNOL'. b) play it to your girlfriend (or anyone other- if your sister/mother/etc. keep s on reapiting please, do not play this album when you put KC, it couldbe a ver y good issue...) for a week or two. b) after that two weeks, play her anything by KC (maybe except THRaCK aTTaCK). She'll love it. ;-) MARCIN GOKIELI (marfrank at plearn dot edu dot pl) ACCEPTS NO LEGAL RESPONSABILITY FOR THE EFFECTS OF THIS THERAPY ;-) 2. does anybody here knows Bobby Previte's Weather Clear, Track Fast 'Hue and c ry' CD(i KNOW that at least one person knows it- hi Steve :-) ). Have you notic ed the similiarities between the last tune on it (which is called, if i remembe r correctly 'for john mc lachlan, and all that we stood for')? If you do not kn ow it- go and buy it RIGHT NOW. It 's an unbelivably baeutiful album. Keep on hunting for the snark, marcin gokieli marfrank2plearn.edu.pl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Douglas Otte Subject: Damage Availability Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 01:35:44 +0000 Anybody not familiar with Ranjit Padmanabhan's home business, Progtron, should check it out. He's in California, so I don't know if he'll mail overseas. His URL is http://www.webpage.com/~progtron/. Anyway, he is a good source of electronic/space/progressive music, mostly imports. He has a gold Japanese CD of "Damage" listed as available for US $21.95. That's a pretty fair price in my book. However, he's taking the summer off, so you can't order anything until August 18. Please save me one! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Music is a dream without the isolation of sleep." - Klaus Schulze ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 00:35:23 -0700 From: William Almon Johnson Subject: Guitar Craft Hello, My name is Bill Johnson, and I am trying to contact any individuals who attended the Claymont Intro course last year. Also anyone who will be attending the GC Argentina IV this fall. I am not currently an ET subscriber, so please mail me direct ----Bill lodgeone at voyageronline dot net Thank You ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 18:51:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Andrew Suber Subject: More Mellotron Siamese Dream used Mellotron to great effect, on some of the quieter songs. Gumby also used a mellotron i9n his band. I myself love the quiet fakish string arrangements thart can be done with a Mellotron. Andrew ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 20:10:10 +0000 () From: "Todd W. Crane" Subject: Thrak from a New KC fan Hi all, My journey into KC is still very much in its infancy. However, I'd like to make public my feelings on Thrak. This album is absolutely the best thing I've laid my ears on in some time. I've listened to it completely but once, but I'm hooked. Currently my KC collection consists of the compilation disc Sleepless, Beat, and now Thrak. However it will only be a matter of time until the number three grows and grows and grows. I could flog myself for not finding this album sooner. My only regret is that it's not possible for me to see them on tour solo or even with Horde :( Thanks, Todd P.S. Quick question: Could someone translate "sotto voce" from Inner Garden II for me? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: DOMINIC VIVALDO Subject: Sometimes God Hides Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 10:59:29 +0200 (CET) Hello ETers, A few notes on Free promo CD entitled SOMETIMES GOD HIDES (Young Persons Guide to Discipline) 23 tracks of the current stuff from DGM (and Possible Productions) contains mainly Robert Fripp in various incarnations and his contributions to other artists work. It seems now we could look forward to pretty new stuff like GATES OF PARADISE doubleCD (music from four day installation in Queen Elizabeth Hall in March 1996) BTW does anyone on this list seen or heard about what is like? and 1999 Live in Argentina REISSUE as a DoubleCD!!!!!!!!!!! Epithaph: Live from 1969 (includes Filmore West) excellent sound MY EXPERIENCE AND NOTE TO Mr. FRIPP Now dear Robert you can see that is better to listen to the voice of the crowd and my plea is more live stuff from 1970-1971 era, please! I have received Formentera Memories (bootleg) this sunday and I must say and let everybody know that I woud rather pay directly to you or DGM than to some obscure greedy merchindise company. And my last word: I will never forget your performance in Prague ever. THANKS A LOT TO ALL MEMBERS OF KING CRIMSON AND CAKLIFORNIA GUITAR TRIO and EVERYONE at DGM. DOMINIC VIVALDO not-only-Software Quality Expert :-) (dominik at rekonix dot cz) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Alan Maguire" Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:57:25 +0000 Subject: 21csm goes Hip-Hop Evening all, The prize for most unlikely crimson cover must go to Neneh Cherry (I think thats how to spell her name) who did a version of schizoid man last weekend supporting Radiohead in Galway, Ireland. Apparently it was a fairly faithful rendition of the song but minus the difficult bit in the middle (no surprise there). I got THRaKaTTaK last week and mostly I love it,(especially when Bruford gets wild on This Night Wounds Time) but I agree with a previous post about the band being afraid to build on an idea . Just because the music is formless, it doesnt have to be directionless. I understand that the individual pieces are originally middle sections from THRaK but surely to remove them from this context is to diminish their inate meaning, if they have such a thing. If the music was really free the band wouldnt be afraid to develop a cohesive idea before going back to the main theme. Dont get me wrong, I admire the band for taking this step into the unknown, improvisation is always a risk so I wouldnt criticise the individual pieces, but taken out of context they lack musical relevance. Think about Live Cream, Bitches Brew, even the 21csm single. The musicians get themselves into some pretty wierd, outside situations, and its great because the listener can hear how the improvisation relates to the main theme , giving it context and relevance. On the other hand I was listening to THRaKaTTaK yesterday when Scooby Doo was on the T.V. and it was just perfect. This music isnt unsuccesful, I'm just not sure what its for.....perhaps its greatest success is the way it's provoked us to react to it. Cheers, Alan Maguire. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:10:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Kurt Kleinschmidt Subject: Possible Productions' Web Page... still does not seem to work. The URL I am using is: http://rockslide.com/possible/indux.html and I get the message "There was no response. The server could be down...". How about one of you good people who are going to the H.O.R.D.E. festival please take the time to stop off at Possible Productions' booth to tell them what's happening, and report back to ET on what the scoop is. And while you are at it, don't forget to pick up the *free* sampler of Adrian's new album from them. Enjoy the show! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:34:45 -0700 From: Kenley Neufeld Subject: HORDE Newspaper/description of KC Hi Elephant Talkers, I recently went to the HORDE Fest here in the Bay Area; pretty decent show. Dave Matthews is starting to grow on me (seen them about 4 times). Anyway, they had a Newsletter at the show telling us about the bands. Here is what they had to say about our favorite... ** begin quote ** king-crimson n. 1: 'The man with an aim.' From an Anglicized form of the Arabic phrase, B'il Sabab ("Beelzebub") 2: Term coined by Peter Sinfield in 1969. Since many of you reading this probably weren't even born in 1969, let's take a trip...back in time that is. The setting is London, 1969. With Robert Fripp on guitar, Greg Lake on bass and lead vocals, Ian McDonald on keyboards and woodwinds, Michael Giles on drums and Peter Sinfield as the band's lyricist, road manager and lighting operator, the origins of King Crimson were planted. In May of 1969, after only nine gigs, audience member Jimi Hendrix was so impressed that he approached Fripp and urged him to shake his left hand as is was "closer to his heart." Two months later, they supported the Rolling Stones during the legendary concert in Hyde Park. Over the years King Crimson has seen countless line-ups. With members coming from and moving on to bands such as ELO, Yes, Family, David Bowie, Talking Heads, Frank Zappa, Paul Simon and Peter Gabriel, a King Crimson family tree has more branches and roots than the oldest Redwood. In What will be their first full studio album since 1984 the newest King Crimson line-up; Fripp, Adrian Belew, Tony Levin, Bill Bruford, Trey Gunn and Pat Mastelotto will release THRAK, a 15 track collection of channeling, innovative rock music. Enough of the history lesson...get back to the music. ** end quote ** Hope you enjoyed this and those of you going to these shows, let us know how it goes. _________________________________________________________ Kenley Neufeld | University High School (San Francisco) | Associate Librarian neufeldk at usfca dot edu | Electronic Media Coordinator URL: http://www.usfca.edu/usf/neufeld/kenley.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:45:09 -0300 (EST) From: agorni at dialdata dot com dot br (Antonio Augusto Gorni) Subject: Re: Avenida Currientes CD Hi! Someone asked me where to find the KC's bootleg CD "Avenida Currientes". You eventually can contact Grammy Classic & Rock C.P. 941 90001-970 Porto Alegre, RS Brazil Phone/Fax: +55 (51) 227-5911 They sometimes have some copies of this CD! All the best, Antonio --------------------------- Antonio Augusto Gorni, Materials Engineer, M.Eng. Researcher, COSIPA Steelworks Professor of Polymer Science - FEI E-Mail: agorni at dialdata dot com dot br Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/5978 Fax: +55 13 362-3608 "The Weaver in the Web that He Made!" (Emerson, Lake & Palmer: Tarkus) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:01:18 -0700 (PDT) From: David Mechem Subject: Mailman Mellotron From: "David G. Shaw" >Dennis Montgomery posted, in "Mellotrons in the 90's": > >> 1). the Red Hot Chili Peppers on "BloodSugarSexMagic" ("Breaking the >> Girl" and the coda to "Sir Psycho Sexy"); >> 2). Soundgarden on "Superunknown" ("Mailman", to chilling effect); > >Those two instances were not uses of the Mellotron by two different >bands, but rather use of the 'tron by the same producer, Michael >Beinhorn. He also used it on Soul Asylum's "Grave Dancers Union," on the >tune "New World." Hmmmm. I was under the impression that the latter was Matt Cameron's idea, but maybe that's because he's listed as playing it. It seems like he's the one in that band pushing them toward slightly more prog territory. daveM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: grc at spoon dot easynet dot co dot uk Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:43:34 +0100 Subject: Yes 'facts' "Gerard Coughlan (MBS in MIS)" Subject: Yes facts > >Hello, > I'm bust these days, this is my second message today to the >list. This time it concerns a quote in ET 292 about YES: > >> For the albums "Going for the One" and >>"Tormato", Wakeman replaced his mellotron with a birotron >>which used an 8-track tape system yet the sounds are >>pretty much the same. > >Now, I'm no huge YES fan, but didn't Rick Wakeman leave the group >after Tales of Topogr.......something or other in 1974/75. I may be >wrong but I think I'm sure. Yes, we know.......... but he rejoined in 1976/7, as a cursory glance at the sleeves of the albums named would have confirmed. Gerard, how can you commit a post under the heading "Yes facts" and qualify it with "I may be wrong but I think I'm sure" !!! Visit your local record emporium, and look at the sleeves of the two named albums (or, heaven forbid, check with someone else who IS a huge Yes fan), and you'll find Wakeman pictured and credited on both, circa 1976-79. He also took part in the 'Union' tour in 1991, and is currently recording a new album & video with the GFTO line-up. BTW, I have video footage of rehearsals for both the named albums, and it clearly shows the Mellotron in use for the GFTO sessions, and the Birotron for Tormato. It also shows Wakeman was actually present at the sessions...... Regards, Graham ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Grant Penton" Subject: inquiry into relative KC fanaticism Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:23:42 -0400 As I write this, you have some 26 days and 5 hours to go before THE event- I hope you can bear with the understandably immense anticipation! I'm curious about the extent of your relative Fripp appreciations. It's been 18 years since the Frippertronics shows (which I found a true mindblast), and with the removal of the old monster reel-to-reel machines to the museums (as well as the retirement of Eno and others from the realm of true low-tech experiments) that art form has disappeared from due recognition (along with the Gismo form as developed by Creme & Godley- perhaps both machines were as persnickety to operate as the old melotrons, and there are so few musicians with Fripps's patience). I decry this unfortunate development- I find the master's rendition of God Save the Queen and Evening Star collaborations much more subtly disturbing to listen to while watching apocalyptic scenes of societal collapse while reading of Fripp's dire prognosis for the 1990's (written in 1974) then say, Lament or really any of the high-tech guitar overkill from recent LPs (although I am an unreconstructed BB melotron lover). So I ask you for your relative preferences from the Insanity of... to Thrakk. The best Frippertronics I find to be the live shows, and I'm lucky to have a copy of the show in my town during which he relates the 'highly unpleasant' situation KC found itself in with destructive gate-crashing hippies, irate manager, distressed teenie-bimbee and no power. I imagine that has told this story on a number of occasions, but so far I have heard so such mention. As old as it is, it is pivotal as it was a reason that the master decided to withdraw from dinosaur stadium posing in the first place ('74), and if no one else mentions it soon, I might just get around to transcribing his (as always) deadpan description of the incident and leave it up to others to enlighten me as to where it happened (presumably not during the shows recorded for The Great Deceiver). Yeah, I hear Easy Money a lot too- wonder if the lyric was based on an actual incident, or if Fripp actually paid any attention to the words. I bet Belew would do a good vocal on it- and maybe even laugh at the end... Live on for KC! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Workman, Brian" Subject: Beat - Elephant Talk Digest Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:26:00 -0400 >- Neurotica: The first literary publication to sponsor Beat writers was >entitled _Neurotica_ and was published in New York in 1948-51. Adrian's line >"I have no more to say" might be a reference to John Clellon Holmes' _Nothing >More To Declare_. My comment is only tangential to the subject, but someone may find this an interesting bit of trivia. I saw KC on halloween night of '81 during the Discipline tour. The gig was at (my alma mater) Carnegie-Mellon University. I was on the concert committe and so had access backstage. To get to the point, they played a "new piece". It was Neurotica. They didn't announce the title and I was dying to know what song it was. I finally spotted a copy of the set list, and the title listed was "Manhattan". When Beat came out I instantly recognized the song but was surprised by the title change. bworkman at aol dot com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:24:59 -0400 From: campopia at ride dot ri dot net (Anthony Campopiano Jr.) Subject: Music I have become rather fond of the Beastie Boys....Their instrumentals are very nice, and even their rap numbers show alot of creative flow and talent. Be sure to check out their albums: Ill Communication and Check Your Head. Anthony Anthony Campopiano Jr., MSW, M.Div., CAS School/Clinical Social Worker ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: David Maclennan Subject: THRaK 'n' THRaNG Date: 31 Jul 1996 11:26:18 +1300 Well I got sick of waiting for the local distributor to release them here so I sent off to PossProds for "THRaKaTTaK" "Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx" and the "Schizoid Man" single. Some observations: 1) "THRaKaTTaK" is every bit as good as the more positive posts to this list have suggested. There is some of the most intense music KC have ever committed to record on this, e.g. "Chicken", and while I don't think this lineup are as yet the improvisers that the 72-74 lineup were, this new album is evidence that they are well on the way. I'd like to see them do a similar project in a year or two, just to see how far they (hopefully) will have come. Part of the "problem" may lie in the size of the group. It seems to me that improvisation becomes harder the larger a group is, as each player tries to make a meaningful contribution, and to make him/herself heard without making the whole thing sound like an unholy din. With only 3 or 4 musicians there's more space for each, and the instrumental voices are more distinct. Note than in saying this I'm not slagging "THRaKaTTaK", which is already becoming my favourite release from the current lineup so far. 2) "Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx" was a real surprise! I really liked the first LoG album, though I confess I never played it much. But this live album shows that they could really kick ass in concert with an almost Crimsoid intensity in places (e.g. "TTG 2" - wow!). A pity this band did not continue - I think I would have preferred this to the 80s KC (but then, without the 80s KC we may not have had the 90s one....) Do check this album out if you haven't already done so. 3) If the 1969 live version of "Schizoid Man" is any indication, the promised "Epitaph - 1969 Live" album should be a killer! A great performance, and a much better recording than I might have expected. BTW, I haven't had time to check, but is the 1974 version on this single the same as was on "USA"? Speaking of which, is "USA 2" going to be the same as the original, or an expanded version? - David Maclennan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Randy Long -- Personal Account Subject: Whoah! Look-ey what I got! Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Dearest beloved ETers, and related bretheren- Since the universe is a cruel and unjust place, I know many of you didn't get the Damage disc before the wheels of profit driven capitalism ground it up into the dust of footten (unlucrative) out of print art. But here's your chance to get your paws on it, and stick it to the Virgin- there is a used copy at my local underground music haven, Record Exchange. I have it on ho Anybody want it? I think it's like 10 bucks or something, excellent condition. I personallly love this disc (and the other "non-official" live albums of that tour I have - sorry Bobby). Email me personally, then send reems of irrelevent posts to ET to make up for it. First come first serve, and supplication helps. Like Jack Handy said: "A man doesn't just automaticallly get my respect; he has to get down in the dirt and grovel for it". And the world's greatest guitarist? Hands down, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Rik Lucas of Pleasure Void. Case closed. Love and mass spectrochrommatographs, -----Randy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: 30 Jul 96 23:46:25 EDT From: "Robert C. Parducci" <76206 dot 3036 at CompuServe dot COM> Subject: Mellotron anecdote; The Ring (Modulator) Tony Banks has said that the opening chords to "Watcher of the Skies" were chosen because they were in tune when played on the mellotron. The effect was not quite the same when later played on a digital instrument. Years and years ago, when musicians built synthesizers from Radio Shack kits, things were modular and patch cords were used to pull it all together. You could route your signal source, a square or sawtooth wave from a Voltage Controlled Oscillator (VCO), through a filter and then to an Attack-Decay-Sustain-Release (ADSR) Voltage Controlled Amplifier (VCA). You could also modulate the signal with a Low Frequency Oscillator (LFO). The Ring Modulator was another device you could process the signal with. Generally, it was used to create bell-like sounds, which are more complex and have an irregular overtone series. Not much different from a guitarist using a flanger to spice things up. Robert C. Parducci 76206 dot 3036 at compuserve dot com <>What I'm trying to say is you thrill me <>You set my heart on fire <>The very first time I kissed you, honey <>I knew you were my love, my true desire -R. Symzer <> <>LEGEND: In Our Own Time <>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rcp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Keepele at aol dot com Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 04:16:41 -0400 Subject: "Crimso" nickname-origin Greeting and felicitations ETers! In ET#290 Jason W. Smith posted: >>>>>>> I was talking with a Crimson fan before the show (who incedentally was also a deadhead...anyway) who displayed for me with a gleam of pride the banner he made for the evenings performance. It was about 4x3' and read "Satori in Crimsoland". To me this made absolutely NO sense so I gave a polite "how nice" smile. The "Satori" was obviously a misspelling of "SaRtori" (the album "Beat" features the proper spelling which anyone unsure could EASILY consult) but "CRIMSOLAND"? No idea. My friend told me that this was a reference to Crimson (obviously) and that the band was known sort of endearingly as "Crimso" in the 70's. I was just wondering if this were actually the case. <<<<<<< Malcolm Humes, in #291, replied: >>>>>>> Anyway, the Young Person's Guide and Frame by Frame booklets I think detail a story of some letter or press using that term in the late 60's or 70's and the liner notes have perpetuated that term. I thought maybe it was Krimso though. Has a better ring to me than the occasionally used CrimHeads at least... <<<<<<< In ET's web-site, the FAQ gives this explaination of the "Crimso" nickname: "The nickname "Crimso" originally appeared as a typographical error in a letter printed in the International Times, a British magazine, in 1969. The letter is quoted in the scrapbook to the Frame by Frame boxed set." (As I don't have F by F (yet), but I submit the following FYI) The term's origin can also be found in the booklet that accompanies "A Young Person's Guide to King Crimson." Detailing the events of 1969, it notes: " August 18 International Times, letter from Rory O'Fluke: Who wants to read about Jim Morris an his doors on all dem Bossom Tomes an dat King Crimso when ye've herd bandslike "Blast". This letter gives King Crimson their nickname of "Crimso". " (Do the two accounts match? Do they--ahem--"remain consistent"?) ;-) >From that point on, the band is frequently referred to as "Crimso," mostly in press clippings and reviews of gigs and recordings. Interestingly, the booklet also notes, on the last page, that: "Some of the mistakes included are deliberate some are accidental." It may be that that Mr. Fripp is having a bit of fun with the story above--I don't know. Throughout the book, R.F. clearly shows a delightfully dry and well-developed sense of humor. BTW, after a wait of *many* years, I saw KC, for the first time, in Berkeley. I'll leave the gig review to others...suffice it to say it was worth the wait! Be seeing you, fellow pachyderms... Jeff Baker ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 19:45:30 -0700 From: mrkoc at ix dot netcom dot com (kevin j o'connor) Subject: CGT during Olympic broadcast Greetings. To my surprise and great pleasure, I heard two songs by the California Guitar Trio being used as background music during the Olympic broadcast Friday evening. First during the profile of 38 year old runner, Mary Staney, and then during a shot-put update. Great to know that even eclectic musicians like the CGT can have their music reach millions, even if only a handful of us recognize the sounds. Kevin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 19:16:10 -0400 From: matottls at craft dot camp dot clarkson dot edu (Loren S. Matott) Subject: KC on Olympics 100m Dash Intro. I was watching the olympics on NBC and they were doing a preview of the women's 100m sprint. During the showcase of the top two US competitiors, they played the opening segment of Sex, Sleep, Eat, Drink, Dream. It was pretty cool! well it's goodbye. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 23:03:16 -0400 From: matottls at craft dot camp dot clarkson dot edu (Loren S. Matott) Subject: More Fripp stuff on NBC's Olympic Coverage I was watching the Men's Tripple Long Jump Re-Cap and I am pretty sure that I heard RFSQ's Kan-On Power playing in the background. Seems that someone at NBC is a Fripp fan. well it's goodbye. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: pollyp at crystalpt dot com Date: 28 Jul 1996 00:05:50 EST Subject: KC on NBC Did anyone other than me catch NBC playing Sex Sleep Eat Drink Dream during the telecast of the Olympic track and field events on 7/27? It was an instrumental version of it and was wondering who did it? Was it KING CRIMSON? I think THRAK would have made a better selection. mike (pollyp) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 20:25:39 -0500 From: Chris Berg Subject: Crimson Olympics Hey all! Had an unusual Crimson sighting today. NBC (the US Olympics broadcaster) was profiling American sprinter Gail Deevers. What was playing under the narrator? Sex Sleep Eat Drink Dream! Unexpected to say the least... Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 14:15:11 -0700 From: Josh Emery Organization: Emery Distributors Subject: Fripp's influence on the Olympics The background music during some of the Olympic triple jump coverage was KAN-NON POWER. As I'm telling my wife this in amazement they go to the Heptathalon and play Yamanashi Blues. After just playing these two track back to back from both the RFSQ and CGT my guess is that they were CGT tracks, not RFSQ. I guess this doesn't really have much Fripp content. I was still in shock. Many years ago about '83 or '84 I was watching some Indycar race and they were showing a pit stop competition and playing one of the Summers/Fripp tunes as background music. Josh ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 16:02:50 -0700 From: "Chris M." Subject: CGT on Olympics Just a short note: Last night (Sat. 27th) I was watching a montage of female track and field events on NBC's olympic coverage, and the background music was "Yamanashi blues" by the California Guitar Trio. Funny how the ears perk up at things like that. It was a little better than hearing KC's "One Time" on some sexual awareness prime-time special last year. [grin] anyway... Chris M. / univ of tenn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: leslabb at prolog dot net Date: Sun, 28 Jul 96 22:20:25 -0500 Subject: Robert Fripp & Co. and Olympic Games I was watching NBC's minimal coverage of the Olympic games when I noticed that the background music sounded kind of familar. It was during one of those fluff pieces on the runner who hurt himself in a race during the 1992 games, his father helping across the finish line. The music was "God's Monkey" from the Sylvian/Fripp album "The First Day". Also during a gymnastics piece they used "Kan Non Power" from RFSQ "A Bridge Between". I think that NBC's coverage has been abismal at best, but it was cool to hear Crimson music on TV. Les Les Labbauf Email: leslabb at postoffice dot ptd dot net There is a fun and easy to use fixpack for WIN95, it's called OS/2 Warp http://home.ptd.net/leslabb/~index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: ASchulberg at aol dot com Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 23:14:44 -0400 Subject: God's Monkey Hey, I was watching the Olympics on NBC tonight (7/28) and they were doing a profile on Butch Reynolds. The background music near the end of the piece was God's Monkey from "The First Day". It fit in very well, I thought. Too bad Butch pulled a hamstring and didn't finish. Arnie Schulberg ASchulberg at aol dot com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 23:06:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Damon C Capehart Subject: Anybody been *listening* to the Olympics? :) I'm probably not the first to mention this, but... The theme song for most (all?) of the track events at Atlanta 1996 is none other than the Fripp String Quintet version of "Kan-Non Power"! It sounds *so* cool... and so appropriate, too! It gives an awesome mood. I'm going to be smiling about this for a really long ti-* Dang... Nevermind; I have that paper to write. Well, I'll be smiling a lot when I finish, and that's a promise! :) Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas dot edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: JRStoat at aol dot com Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 01:12:22 -0400 Subject: Olympic Underscore Did anyone else out there notice a snippet from RF String Quintet used by NBC over the weekend in their Olympic coverage? I was too stunned to remember who or what they were profiling. The John Tesh voice over made for a surreal (and somewhat disturbing) aural experience. Eric ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 08:02:09 -0700 (MST) From: Bill Lantz Subject: Olympic Fripp/KC/RFSQ Music I'm sure many of you heard some KC and Fripp/Sylvian and String Quartet music during the Olympic coverage this past weekend on NBC. Here's what I heard: Sex, Sleep, Eat, Drink, Dream - During a bio on Gwen Torrance before the womens 100m finals. God's Monkey - before the 400m prelims for Butch Reynolds. RF String Quartet - before the heptathalon pre-lims (not sure what song now). I also think I heard ThrakAttack strains a couple of times. Who else heard some KC? It was also nice to hear Micahel Hedges, one of my favorite acoustic guitar players. Someone has good taste at NBC. Bill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 10:59:24 +0600 From: maddog at vt dot edu (Thomas Bail) Subject: LOCG& the Olympics In watching the Olympics last night (7/30/96) there was an interview with Carl Lewis. I noticed for background music they were playing what sounded like LOCG's "Eye of the Needle." Can anybody else confirm this? If so, its good to know that NBC executives don't have their heads buried in the sand. *---------------------------------------------------------------------------- *------------------------------------------------ "In the end there can be only one...maybe two. Alright, alright, three or four." Thomas R. Bail Math Dept. Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 24060 E-mail: maddog at vt dot edu 1-(540)-231-4171 [I'd like to end the onslaught of posts on this topic with this issue of the newsletter. Combining the previous posts together, I think you'll all agree, demonstrates that surely we've covered this "event" to its fullest extent. No doubt though, it was nice to hear. - Dan] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: rrrossi at nextstep dot net Subject: TICKET FOR ASBURY PARK SHOW Date: Tue, 30 Jul 96 04:09:03 GMT Greetings, All - Due to unforeseen circumstances, my friend cannot attend the 8/24/96 show at the Paramount Theatre in Asbury Park, NJ. Therefore, I offer ONE ticket up to a fellow "Fan of Crimso". Section is Orchestra, Row is DD, Seat is 19. I'll shave a few bits here and there and ask $40.00 (relieving you of some of the TicketMaster convenience and handling charges). Please contact me via e-mail if you're interested. Thanks..............RRR ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Kurt Kleinschmidt Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Tickets: Asbury Park Ticket For Sale I have one ticket for the Asbury Park show on August 24th that I need to sell. The seat is a *very* good seat, row C seat 110. I will sell it to the first person who emails back to me for face value ($35) plus anything you are willing to give me to cover my expenses (I drove from Ohio to NJ to get this ticket). I will be on vacation 8/3 through 8/18, so don't expect to hear back from me during this time. Be seeing you... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 19:01:44 -0500 From: Gene Nemirovsky Subject: I am looking for good tickets to Cincinnati KC show! Hi, Everybody! What a sad experience to wait till last moment hoping that they will set up the show date in your city! They are not playng in Chicago, and I am driving to Cincinnati to see them on August 11. But - no tickets. I realize it's quite senseless to look for tickets here, since if someone has 'em, he is gonna enjoy them. Just in case, if you have a couple of extra tickets to that show for good seats, please, let me know, alright? Thank you! Gene Nemirovsky 847-869-2192 (w) 312-973-0435 (h) gnemirovsky at shure dot com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *** GIG REVIEWS *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sun, 28 Jul 96 22:44 +0100 From: 0303016732-0001 at t-online dot de (collatz) Subject: Gig Review Berlin june 5, '96 King Crimson Gig Review Berlin, june 5, 1996 I read in one of the previous Ets that you do not yet have a review from the Berlin concert, so here is one. The concert took place in the Tempodrom, a comparatively small arena in a circus tent, that is famous for events with high quality, but apart from the mainstream. The set list: The Talking Drum Thela Hun Ginjeet Neurotica Dinosaur Red Waiting Man Three of a Perfect Pair B'boom Thrak with improvised section 21st Century Schizoid Man Elephant Talk Sex, Sleep, Eat, Drink, Dream The Sheltering Sky Indiscipline *----------------------------------------------------- Matte Kudasai Larks' Tongues in Aspic part II *------------------------------------------------------- VROOOM The opening act was the California Guitar Trio, which was very good and well received by the audience, but just played for about half an hour. Even though I would have appreciated more material different to that from last year's concert in Berlin, the gig was absolutely gorgeous, a great part of the audience was running wild. Highlights for me were The Sheltering Sky, when Bill Bruford went across the stage with his slit drums to duet with each of the other band members, the improvised section of Thrak (although after quite a few minutes the audience did not seem to have more patience respectively the band more courage), Indiscipline, and VROOOM. This year I sat closer to the stage and thus had a much better view on what was actually going on, and was quite impressed by Tony Levin's mastering of many different kinds of basses, especially in Talking Drum and Elephant Talk, Adrian Belew's MIDI-fied guitar in Dinosaur and his enthusiasm in Indisipline, Bill Bruford and Pat Mastelotto's duets in B'Boom and Waiting Man, Trey Gunn's delicate contributions e.g. to Talking Drum (though sometimes hard to make out), and Robert Fripp's sometimes delicate (ToaPP and VROOOM), sometimes aggressive (LTiA II) soli. Carsten Collatz 0303016732-0001 at t-online dot de ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Jeweljcs at aol dot com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 05:23:31 -0400 Subject: Hard Rock Heaven My friends and I decided we were going to try and sneak into the sound check around 4:30 ( we discovered via the net that the guys tighten the screws right about then). The first door we tried was closed but the side doors leading to the bathrooms were unsecured. We were in!!! There were techs all over the stage along with Fripp Bruford Belew and co. After a few moments of mostly noise they became King Crimson and ran through 21st CSM, which, to say the least, woke me right up!!! We were sitting there while the bartenders stocked the bars for the show later that evening. No one seemed to notice us even under the bright house lights. After the short and ever so sweet sound check we stroll around the casino and take in all of the musical memorabilia. They have Elton John's piano mounted over a row of slots. Then there's the Jimi Hendrix "Are you experienced" 21 tables. Tom Petty hundred dollar chips.The Doors drum kit also mounted over a row of slot machines. The end is listless. Of course, by the time the event takes place I'm primed for a special night. This is their first show after a pause in the Thrak2 world tour. I know as a musician myself that after a layoff something magical occurs between bandmates. The music just soars effortlessly. Last night The King roared his mighty roar and blew the roof off the Joint!!! It was transcendent. They opened with Thela Hun Ginjeet. Adrian smiling like he always seems to do; because he can't help it. They play "ET" "Frame" "Indiscipline" as well as material from BEAT: "Neurotica" "Waiting Man"( Tony and Adrian doing scat). At one particularly sick point Adrian takes a drill without a bit and applies it to the strat. So unbelievable!!! The sound of sheer Crimson iron. Tony Levin refers to the 7th member of the band as "The Monster". I believe I caught a glimpse of that thing last night. They played most of the Thrak material and threw in "RED" for all the indians of the group. After the event we walked around the casino completely charged from the magnitude of what we had just heard when who do we see: Adrian hangin out all by himself. Now my night is complete. I asked him if he remembers doing a clinic on Long Island years ago. Of course he does! He proceeds to fill me in on his new solo piece coming out next month and then this kid who appears to be about 20 comes along. He has a tattoo of Adrian on one shoulder and one of Zappa on the other. Adrian was quite flattered. He signed the kids skin and a couple of shirts for me. We chatted for what seemed like hours, but it must have been 15 minutes or so. I met Pat Mastelotto and Trey Gunn as well. Pat described how he came to join the Monster. It was just an unsurpassed evening soaked in music. My next visit to the Court of the Crimson King will be in Boston next month. Can't wait!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 00:38:52 -0700 From: mopix at sirius dot com (Michael Harrison) Subject: under a sheltering sky in Berkeley The moon was up last night as the Crimson gentlemen shredded and vromped around. Excellent show indeed. Highlights for me included "21CSM" into "Sheltering Sky". I've been hoping that I might get a chance to hear "S. Sky" live, since reading about its being played in Europe. I was thrilled with the arrangement and everybody shined during this tremendous piece of music. There was a very nice rendition of"Waiting Man" that took me by surprise, "Indicipline" simply rocked as usual,"Neurotica" grooved everybody, "Thrak" stood tall and has an extended ending section,and the "Vroom Coda" ended the concert with Robert Fripp soloing beautifully. Here is a bit of news (unless its old stale news that is only new to me):A free postcard handed out at the show tonight advertises a 23 track cd available from our buddies at Possible Productions for the whopping price of three dollars. The extra cool thing is that this CD not only contains various tracks from already released Crimson family recordings, but it also has several tracks from unreleased CDs as well! Preview material includes "Epitaph" from Live in 1969, "Sometimes God Hides" off of Robert Fripp from The Gates of Paradise 2, "Scanning 2" Robert Fripp from Soundbites,"The Third Star" title track of Trey Gunn's new cd,"2006", Robert Fripp from 1999 Soundscapes Live in Argentina (2nd edition), and"Voices Of Ancient Children"-Los Gauchos Alemanes from Voices Of Ancient Children. Poss. Prods is calling this a "Get Acquainted Offer", I say YEAH. This is good marketing and I look forward to hearing this new stuff for dollars three! Unfortunately for our friends over seas, this offer is good only in the US (according to the postcard). Thanks to everyone who posted about the European shows, I'm sure there are going to be many glowing reviews from the rocking Berkeley show (I'm betting that someone with an analytic mind will provide a set list). One other note: I love the way Robert Fripp ends his solos and many of the songs. He is a fantastic ender. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:36:59 -0700 From: James Baumgart Subject: Thela and Neurotica in Las Vegas I don't consider this a gig review, just comments. I just returned from the Las Vegas show, and I loved every minute. They only sold 600 seats to a 2000 seat venue, where were all you fellow fans? It only cost me $33 (one way) to fly to Vegas from San Diego to see it, it was a very personal and intimate place to see them, I got the feeling that they were playing just for me. Sorry, Fripp was not sighted off his stool. However, I was surprised that they played a tape of the vocals for Thela and Neurotica. I was really looking forward to hearing Adrian try to sing Neurotica live....I'm surprised that no one has posted this before about the European part of the tour. ALSO Has anyone else seen Adrian use a battery powered drill on his guitar strings during the improv part of Thrak? It sure helps to have a wife/girlfriend along, she was able to get Trey's set list from a sympathetic roadie. We'll be laminating that and hanging it in our sound room! Well, see you all in San Diego! My wife and I will be the ones in the Papa Bear tee-shirts (from Tony Levin's web site) right down there in the front row/center. -Jim PS. Check out their tour bus. It is painted RED with a very cool crimson-like trim job. Jim Baumgart Teknowledge (619)749-4257 jbaumgar at teknowledge dot com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:54:21 -0700 From: Richard Murray Subject: Crimson at the Greek Well, what can I say? It was so nice to find myself once again at U.C. Berkeleys' Greek Theate for an evening of music. It's hard to believe that twelve years could have passed since I last saw King Crimson play here. I'm pleased to report that last night's concert will go down as another stellar musical experience at the good old Greek. The band seems to be in excellent form these days, and for the third time in just over a year I have fully enjoyed them in concert. If they come through the Bay Area again in the near future I'm sure I'll find my way to the show. Great work guys, keep it up! With a reserved seat on the main floor I had a great view of the entire cast of players. It was a bit chilly out but the moon was up and I could easily lose myself in the music. I am always impressed with the self-confidence and sheer musical prowess these guys posses. It's a treat to see King Crimson at work. For the most part the set list was much like those of the last two Bay Area Crimson shows I have attended. A very pleasant surprise was the inclusion of "21st Century Schizoid Man" which seemed to blend in perfectly with the most recent tracks. I was wondering when they would finally break this one out. After all, they've been using artwork from the first album on T-shirts at the gigs, so why not actually play sometihng from it? Anyway, it was a welcome first for for me. In all King Crimson at the Greek was just as excellent as you might expect it to be. Glad I was there. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 19:29:31 +0000 From: Bret Arenson Subject: Posting on ET of Gig Review Here is a concert review that I'd like to post on ET. I'm not sure how to do that so I'm hoping you can help me out. Thanks. Posting follows: Gig Review Berkeley 7/27/96 I saw the Crimson again and loved it. I'm not going to list the songs or give a standard compare and criticism of the show as many reviews previously have done so very acurately. But I'd like to give some personal impressions. First off, these guys rocked, period. They had all the intensity and evocative quality of many popular current rock and industrial bands but also eminated a presence and spirit that is rarely experienced. They were really, really there. I like the double trio ensemble setting. The voices of the six players create a beautifully textured and lush timbre. I really enjoyed both listening to and watching Mr. Bruford and Mr. Mastelleto's percussive interplay. They both have distinctive styles and meld their individual streghths to the greater good of the whole band. And these guys added so much to the spectical of the show. This was no doubt a rock concert, although musically complex as we know and love. I love the greater use of percussives in this incarnation of the Crimson. It adds so much power and presence. (Not that I didn't like what was happening before in the drum dept. Mr. Bruford is one of our heros. And isn't he so pretty when he plays? And how come he still looks the same as twenty years ago? I wouldn't look and his photo on the old albums as maybe that's where his maturity went to.) I'm not sure what Mr. Robert Fripp's mythical presence in the band is. I get a lot of different impressions. Sometimes he seems some kind of mad scientist with his mixing of sounds on his devious little devices, brewing up a little mayhem for us. Other times he seems he's holding his own court on the stage, quietly in the background but with obvious strength. At times I also get the feeling that he's "Field Marshall Fripp," pushing the campaign foward with great intensity and conviction. I would like to personally thank Mr. Fripp for taking that frightening path to the edge so that we would be graced with such wonderful music. Also, I was overjoyed and greatful for the inclusion of 21stCSMan. I was amazed at how well that song fit the current repetoire and members of the Crimson. Truthfully, that experience brought tears to my eyes and still does when I think about it. Okay, so I'm a sap but the whole thing was very real to me. Now I don't want to slight the other players. Mr. Gunn, Mr. Levin and Mr. Belew all played with great soul and balance and I enjoyed the virtuousity displayed on their solo moments. Thanks for a wonderful evening that will become legend from my mouth. If any or all of you guys are in Sausalito CA give me a call. I owe you lunch. Bret Arenson manorhouse at earthlink dot net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: TBHARGIS at aol dot com Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 13:56:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Set list for the Berkeley, Ca show. 7/26 ? KING CRIMSON: GREEK AMPITHEATER JULY 26TH 1996 And what a show it was! So much better than the bands last stop in the Bay Area. There seemed to be more jamming and "flow" in general. (especially between Bruford and Levin) And, I must say "21st Century Schizoid Man" was a big surprise! As well as a real treat! (Adrian's voice could have had a little bit more of an edge to it). If anyone out there kept track of the songs and the order they were played in, I would really be grateful if you could email me a copy. TBHARGIS at aol dot com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subject: KC at the Greek Theatre Date: Sun, 28 Jul 96 16:53:10 -0000 From: WOTAN My wife and I went to the Crimson show at the Greek theatre in Los Angeles last night. This is the 4th time we've seen this version of the band within the past year. Frankly, I didn't expect a whole lot of new material since they were just here in the fall, but I knew they have added 21st Century Schitzoid Man to thier set list and to me, that one song was worth the price of admission. But I was pleasantly surprised to find that Schitzoid Man was only one of many highlights. While they did not play any other songs from that "vintage" era, there were many other songs that were either new to the setlist or completely reworked. In fact, this was the best Crimso permormance I have ever heard, and its clear now, how the "double-trio" is supposed to work. Because they are definately firing on all engines. Some noteable highlights; 1. Rearranged "Waiting Man" - One of many favorite tunes from the 80's Crimson. Benefits from the double percussion. Fun with Crimso. 2. Rearranged "Neurotica" - Sort of a "Neurotica meets Thrack". A course in syncopation. A strange tune brought to new heights of bizzareness. Wonderful. 3. Red - Always a killer live, the new counter rhythms in the percussion and the counter melodies by Trey Gunn blast right through you. I kept asking myself if these guys are actually human. Incredible. 4. 21st Century Schitzoid Man - If this would have been only a mediocre performance it would still have been great just for having not heard it live for 20 years. However, if you want to hear sheer force in music. If you want to know what a rock band would sound like if powered by nuclear fusion. If you want to hear the sound of TRUE POWER. Go get tickets to see this band. Words cannot convey what this sounded like last night. It was truly overwhelming. The solo section had Fripp, Belew, and Gunn all totally wailing away in a perfect counterpoint of reckless abandon. Its not for sissies. And you MUST hear an entire audience singing along to this. Thank you and God Bless you Robert Fripp. 5. Thrack - Waaaaaayyyyyy outside. Beautiful and a blast to listen to. The audience was very quiet and attentive. I'm sure the Greek theatre staff thought we were all quite mad. In Conclusion - I could literally, and have, go on for hours. But I'll just sum up with a couple of points. This was, for me, the best of many Crimson performances I've seen. And this was the 8th one I've been to over the years. The whole band looked like they were having a ball and were actually pretty playfull. Although Robert looked as if he were at the dentist. But they were sure on. The way Bruford and Mastello are working together is the way two drummers should work together. And even Trey seemed to have been very excited. All in all the double trio concept seems to be really jelling and I can't wait to hear some new product. Please Robert make it so. Oh, one thing. If anyone from the band is reading this could someone please explain the use of recorded voices in Thela Hun Gingeet and Neurotica? I know this isn't new, but I've never really "got it". And in the new set, they are very close together which emphasises the use of the tape. If its to save Adrians voice, I would think there are plenty of other instrumentals to choose from. If he's sick of singing the lyrics, there are plenty of other songs to choose from. It seems to me, especially with THG that there is an uncomfortable "absence" of real voice. It doesn't lessen the quality of the performance but it just has always seemed awkward to me. Anyone else get this? - Sez **************** Visit General Music 101 +===+ o +===+ at | | /|\ | | http://www.concentric.net/~selzler/ |~~~| Co-"=|~~~| |___| / \ |___| - The Road Goes on Forever - **************** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: firefly at gvn dot net Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:41:00 -0800 Subject: Berkeley concert/possible live recording? I just attended my first King Crimson concert. Mind you, I've been quite the little adherant for ten years, but this was a definitive experience. As I sit in the 112 degree swelter of Sacramento, California, I must express that I'd never before been witness to such an immaculate display of articulate musicianship. Two solid and entirely fulfilling hours with only the few minute break preceeding the encore. And I wonder whether there will come a new live recording from the vast amount of "new" material at that show. This was the show: 1. Bill and Pat opened the show with a drum duet Japanese style. I appreciated it greatly, as I percuss, myself. 2. Thela Hun Ginjeet 3. Red 4. Dinosaur 5. One Time 6. Three of a Perfect Pair 7. Robert set up a soundscape to lead into B'Boom 8. THRAK 9. they carried THRAK into an improv from TRaKaTTaK (though I have yet to listen to THRaKaTTaK for more than a few times and am, alas, at a loss to declare which one it was) 10. back to THRAK, then into a second improv from THRaKaTTaK (ibid.) 11. Neurotica 12. Waiting Man 13. 21st Century Schizoid Man 14. The Sheltering Sky 15. Tony and Bill dueted their way into Elephant Talk 16. Sex, Sleep, Eat, Drink, Dream 17. Indiscipline - Break and Encore: 18. Bill, Pat and Adrian doing a percussion trio. 19. Lark's Tongues In Aspic, Part Two 20. VROOOM / Marine Coda thingy A phenominal show to be sure. My only dissatisfaction with the Berkeley show was the minimal lighting on Mr. Fripp himself. I would have appreciated being able to see him and his hands better than I could. His hands were the only parts of him that I could even barely strain to make out. Is that typical of him and his personal lighting desires? But then, the music is what counts! With all the "new" show material (i.e., not released on "B'Boom: Live in Argentina") (specifically numbers 1, 2, 4, 6, 11, 12, 13, 14, and 18), I would like to see another live album (even a single CD this time) emerge from this 1996 round of touring. Does anybody out there know if there are any such plans in the works for this endeavor? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 08:02:04 -0700 (MST) From: Bill Lantz Subject: Gig Review: 7/27/96 Greek Theater, Los Angeles This is not so much a review or a spoiler but rather an overview of the show. By now, we all know that they were going to do Schizoid Man and pull out chestnuts like the Sheltering Sky and Waiting Man. I'll begin by saying that I enjoyed the show alot. The band seemed to really be having a good time, with the exception of Robert, and the music that ensued took my breath away several times. The Elevens opening was really tight and this is an area I'd like to comment on. Bill and Pat seem to have really jelled into a great team. I noticed throughout the show that they consistently complimented each others styles and took turns being lead drums and percussionists. When they combined their attack, the results were awesome. The improv areas (Thrak) were great. Prism as the first encore seemed extended and extremely tight - at one point Bill did a little block and cow bell solo that wowed everyone. Amazing speed. The band really is adding new slants and arrangements to the older pieces. Frame by Frame had some interesting harmonies from the 2 guitars I'd never heard before. Robert took the lead on 3 of a Perfect Pair where Trey had done it last tour and of course Adrian originally. Tony had some nice counter rythym bass lines in Red and added twists and turns elsewhere at will. And the drums were constantly reaching and stretching the music on every song. No better way for me to describe it. Back to my original comment about Robert. He seemed subdued and dare I say, disinterested most of the time. For example, his solo on Sheltering Sky meandered around and only near the end of the song did he start to liven up and play the lines the way I remember them. But, on the flip side, when it was time to do some soundscapes, he brightened up and ushered in Thrak like a hurricane. This was my fourth Crimson show since 1981 and I've seen Robert a few times solo and with the Crafties so I do have some track record of seeing him perform. This is only my observation, not criticism and from the vantage point of an audience seat and worth what you paid for it. But my hat is off to him and the band for bringing back Schizoid Man in such elegant fashion and not painting by numbers and just playing it for its own sake. The center section was full of surprises and had almost and improv feel of its own. The audience reaction upon hearing the first few strains of it was electrifying. All in all, a very entertaining evening. Adrian was as usual, the mouthpiece and greeted the audience, after Red asking "was anybody hurt?" and his cough during Indisicpline was hilarious and unintentioned, as was a little feedback during the "no matter how I take it apart" section where he put his hands up to the mike for voacl effect and got feedback instead. Really fun. I flew out from Tempe, AZ for the show and it was very much worth it. The Greek was a great place to see them - better than any outdoor venue Phoenix could provide. I'd go back - too bad they only seem to play there once a decade. Bill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:32:17 +0100 From: ggc Subject: Sound from DSMRNGDO at aol dot com I generally thought the show in Berkeley was good, but I was extremely dissapointed with the sound system. While it was good, it certainly wasn't state of the art, which is what complex music like Crimson requires. I was sitting 14th row dead center, which is basically the best seat in the hose for sound. Belew's vocals were too low. Trey got lost in the mix at times as did fripp. You could here TL's high notes, but the sub woofers were nonexistent, and reduced the thundering impact of the music. However, for those of you attending the HORDE shows, if they have the same system they showed up with in the Bay Area you are in for a treat. The sound was excellent. KC should thunder through this equipment. I wish I could see them with this system. Next time they tour, I hope they get the real deal sound. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #294 ********************************