Errors-To: et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Reply-To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: DanKirkd at aol dot com Precedence: bulk From: DanKirkd at aol dot com To: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #290 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 290 Wednesday, 10 July 1996 Today's Topics: How to get your Girlfriend to Appreciate KC Re: Crimso/Primus connection KC Collector's Items, THRaKaTTaK, Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx, transcriptions Fripp & Crimson Vinyl for Auction Crimso??? Fact or Fyction? Vernon Reid CD Tape Exchange Forward into the past - Ring Modulator sighting East Coast Headline Dates? Fun with backward messages: a hint. Savoy memories again Ideas for KC Re: Gig review Tons of stuff. :) RF standing Adrian and Caifanes Re: KC Collectors Editions & the "other" Tony THRaKaTTaK soundbites are up! crimson in cincinnati? IRC Channel about KC ? Prism origin Crimson On MTV Identifying ETers at shows re:ANGST! Bootlegging and what not Pseudo-religious babble and rolling doughnuts Schizoid Man release 21cSM and Chart Success? Re: Backwards stuff and collector's editions. Re: KC at the Savoy Re: making music Hoard Tour in Hartford, CT Ring Modulators, Mellotrons and Bacon Musicians & "Sir James" RE: Fripp and Hendrix Thanks! and a question Collector's Edition No. 1 Elephant Talk back issues? New CD's KC ON COMMUNITY RADIO IN NEWCASTLE Berkeley Tony Levin Radio Interview Fripp "Kan-non Power" live Italian CD Re: Elephant Talk Digest #289, "music speaks through musicians" KC in Mexico City ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk UNSUB/ADDRESS CHANGES: Send a message with a body of HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ ETWEB: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ (partial mirror at http://members.aol.com/etmirror/) THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- From: Dan Just a few things. I continue to get "unsubscribe" type mail from people. Please remember to send that mail to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk. Put 'help' in the message to get instructions sent to you. We have a new FAQ at ET Web. Check it out and give Terry and JP (our FAQ guys) some feedback. If you think something should be added/updated then let them know. Don't know what's up with the Possible Productions Web site. If anyone can clue us in... Finally, no gig reviews in this issue. However we never got any reviews of the Madrid, Lyon, Berlin, Frankfurt, Chemnitz, Presov, Naples, Pisa and Den Haag shows. If anyone saw one of those shows, please send in a review to complete the picture for us. That's it. Enjoy the issue. Dan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Clark Mike Subject: How to get your Girlfriend to Appreciate KC Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 17:26:47 -0400 Hello! I've only been reading ET for a few issues now (although I am a long time fan of KC) and this is my first post. I've noticed a few comments in regards to having to attend KC concerts alone because girlfriends and/or wives are not fans of KC. I'm sure that many of you can relate to this. Although I did see the one post regarding French girls liking KC, I am probably correct in stating that, with a few exceptions, in general, American women don't understand or have an appreciation for KC. Fortunately for me, I have a girlfriend who has obliged me on several occasions to see bands that I wanted to see and has agreed to go to Merriweather to see KC with me this year. (I have to go to see Alanis Morrisette in return (the sacrifices I make).) The problem is, now that I have gotten her to agree to go, how do I get her to think that the music doesn't suck. About the only band she likes that I think is decent is the Talking Heads. I figured that, if I could sneak some KC that she might like into the tape deck while we are driving every now and then, she might actually start to like at least some of it by osmosis. (She's pretty used to hearing a lot of weird music in my car as I've bombarded her many times with Magma, Univers Zero, Soft Machine, etc. etc.) She also doesn't think much of 70s music (you can forget I Talk to the Wind or Book of Saturdays) so I started her off with the first three cuts from Discipline, although I definitely had to stop the tape prior to Indiscipline! About the third time I played it, she asked inquisitively, "Who is this, this kind of sounds like David Byrne a little bit?" Yes! This was definitely a good sign! But, since she didn't come straight out and say she liked it, I merely agreed that it did without giving away that it was KC. My hopes for her were a little dashed, however, when I accidently slipped Lark's Tongues in Aspic into the tape deck near the end of The Talking Drum and right before the ending where it sounds like a bunch of mutants screaming (one of my favorite parts, in fact) and then goes into LTiA Pt. 2. The immediate response was, "Mike, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?!! Anybody got a tape of Beat they want to lend me? Cheers, Mike Clark Clark_Mike at ems dot prc dot com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:02:49 -0400 (EDT) From: murkie Subject: Re: Crimso/Primus connection I was unable to attend the night they did it, but Primus did play "Thela Hun Jingeet" at an L.A. show a couple of years ago. I had originally thought this a rumour created to torment me, but I asked Les about it last time I saw him and he said yes, they had done it. If anybody gets a working time machine up and running, please let me know. murkie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Joel M. Depper" Subject: KC Collector's Items, THRaKaTTaK, Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx, transcriptions Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:54:26 -0700 Yo ETers, Somebody in the last newsletter noticed that the new Schizoid Man single is entitled "KC Collector's Edition No. 2" and wondered what No. 1 was. No. 1 was "Heartbeat: the abbreviated King Crimson." There is a long interview in the Great Deceiver set in which RF mentions that Collector's Edition CD's could be used to market material of interest only to devout Crimheads (such as abbreviated songs, or an entire album of Schizoid Man, and unreleased material). However, considering that Hearbeat was released in 1991, and now Schizoid Man in 1996, let's hope we get No. 3 before 2001! Suggestions for No. 3 (Hello RobertAdrianTreyTonyBillandPat!): Of course, unreleased stuff from all KC's. "Song of the Gulls: The Unreleased KC" Demos. "Indoor Games: the KC demos" Interviews. "Elephant Talk: the Spoken KC" Studio Clowning (make us laugh, Bob! Some of us are dying to hear you do impressions!) "The Howler: the Humorous KC" or "Happy Family" Tony Levin's "Brown Album" (I'm not going to explain what this is. You'll need do delve into Tony's Letter Archives on Papabear to find out). Ok, enough on that subject. Next, I'd just like to say what fantastic albums "THRaKaTTaK" and "Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx" are. Both essential items for a Fripp or Crimson fan. The latter album contains a song called "Ooh! Mr. Fripp" which has to be heard to be believed. Plus, it reveals Fripp's secret desire to be a party animal. One last note. I plan on transcribing EVERY SINGLE SONG by the League of Gentlemen. Look for them in the future. I began with "Trap" a few weeks ago but it turned out quite badly. I'm redoing it in the near future. Peace, love, and THRaKs to all, Dave Depper jdepfam at bendnet dot com PS. For those of you wondering about when THRaKaTTaK is coming out in the states, don't worry. Just order it from Possible Productions, they'll get it to you in a jiffy! [Dave's right. I made my order early June and got the CD as soon as it was available - Dan] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 00:10:42 +0600 From: Mark Weber Organization: Interactive Visuals, Inc. Subject: Fripp & Crimson Vinyl for Auction Point your browser towards http://users.aol.com/garagesail/website/monstera.htm If you are interested in purchasing some Fripp/Crimson vinyl. Fripp autographed copy of Exposure is one of the many things. Thanks, Mark ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 11:32:37 -0500 (EST) From: 05jwsmith at bsuvc dot bsu dot edu Subject: Crimso??? Fact or Fyction? Greetings fellow Crimheads! I had a small question that I was hoping one of my more "mature" comrades could clear up. At a KC show in Cincinnati, june '95, I was talking with a Crimson fan before the show (who incedentally was also a deadhead...anyway) who displayed for me with a gleam of pride the banner he made for the evenings performance. It was about 4x3' and read "Satori in Crimsoland". To me this made absolutely NO sense so I gave a polite "how nice" smile. The "Satori" was obviously a misspelling of "SaRtori" (the album "Beat" features the proper spelling which anyone unsure could EASILY consult) but "CRIMSOLAND"? No idea. My friend told me that this was a reference to Crimson (obviously) and that the band was known sort of endearingly as "Crimso" in the 70's. I was just wondering if this were actually the case. These guys were nice and pretty cool, but I've met my share of people who SEEM to know things I later find to be complete falsehoods. I also tend to be skeptical of ANYONE who grossly misspells a song title that is easily consulted, especially when in making a banner to be displayed AT the bands show. Do any more experienced Crimsonites know if this was a truism or a falsehood? Jason W. Smith <05jwsmith at bsuvc dot bsu dot edu> ------______________----------___________----------__________----------_______ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: gastarit at comm dot net Date: Sat, 06 Jul 96 09:37:11 -0600 Subject: Vernon Reid CD I picked up the new solo cd by Vernon Reid. In the miscellaneous acknowledgements there is: "Robert Fripp & King Crimson" among others. In fact the last cut of the cd is reminiscent of a Fripp "Soundscapes" endeavor. BTW, the cd is quite refreshing in itself. Jazz artists such as Don Byron and Graham Haynes make contributions. Hard core guitar fans should hear this new release. At times innovative and real crafty. Never heard the clarinet (Byron) in this context before...pretty wild stuff. Also received my copy of Thrakattack.. Modern jazz lovers should find this interesting ! Also, the cover shot looks like the House of Blues (New Orleans) gig..Can anyone confirm this ? Thanks, Glenn <---- End Forwarded Message ----> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 14:06:13 -0700 From: Bert Rubini Organization: Hillsborough Community College Subject: Tape Exchange Hello all: I am inviting all Elephant Talkers (and elephant lurkers, like myself) to participate in a tape exchange. You may be familiar with these; everyone makes a tape of interesting music and the tapes get mailed in a big circle -- eventually, you get your own tape back. There's only one rule: PLEASE DO NOT COPY THE TAPES. Obviously I have no way of enforcing this, but I feel strongly about it and I ask everyone who participates to agree with the policy. If you like the music you hear, GO BUY A COPY. The purpose of the exchange is to introduce people to new music, not to rip-off the artists. I'll organize the whole thing. If anyone wants to participate please e-mail me (NOT ELEPHANT TALK): rubini at mail dot hcc dot cc dot fl dot us and I'll send you some more info. See You Bert R. PS I've participated in a couple of these exchanges already, and I've gotten turned on to ALL KINDS of cool new music. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Nel3 at aol dot com Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:03:31 -0400 Subject: Forward into the past - Ring Modulator sighting Extensive use of the Ring Modulator can be found in the Carla Bley/Jazz Composers Orchestra of America 1971 release "Escalator Over the Hill" - just about as idiosyncratic piece of work as you'll find in the jazz or rock idiom. Over highly stream-of-consciousness lyrics you'll find the likes of John McLaughlin and Jack Bruce (fresh from Lifetime), Gato Barbieri, Ornette Coleman alumni Don Cherry and Charlie Haden (the dreaded free-jazz rears its, in this case, beautiful, head), future Zappa alumni Don Preston, still-at-that-time-C&W maven Linda Rondstadt and Andy-Warhol-hanger-on Viva. Three years in the (no doubt, low budget) making, Morrocan and Indian trance music, Gillbert & Sullivan-like low opera, jazz fusion and free jazz all collide with treated pianos played by Bley and the subject: was ring modulators.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:27:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeffrey D Liss Subject: East Coast Headline Dates? Is there any chance of more headlining East Coast dates (apart from Philly, MD, and Asbury Park)? Seems unlikely. But more importantly: can we be sure that Vernon Reid will open these dates? I believe Trey mentioned him as opening "most of" the dates. Excuse me, I just saw a chicken go into a barber shop for a shave and a trim... gotta go... Jeff Liss Watch for address change: Unemployment Department jdliss at amhux4 dot amherst dot edu Life University ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 12:00:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Kepler Subject: Fun with backward messages: a hint. Everybody: Al stewart wants to know what the backward speech on "Haaden Two" says. _Please_ nobody tell him; it is much more fun to find out for yourself. Mr. Stewart: You are not the first person to purport that vinyl record manipulation is the only way to decode a backward message, when in fact there are many. Have a little imagination and ingenuity. Don't make us spell it out for you. Here's a hint: right in front of you right now is a computer of some kind. Almost every computer has the hardware and software required for making crude (or better) digital recordings and performing simple manipulations, such as reversing. I would guess that almost everyone who has a computer without such capability knows someone with access to a computer that does. ylerecnis Michael Kepler /\../\ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 17:08:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Sullivan Subject: Savoy memories again My first live Fripp experience was his supporting gig as 'Dusty Roads' for Gabriel in 1978 (I missed the first album tour). After that, I caught him at the legendary Kitchen shows (where, after scorching us all for about 40 minutes, he told us he'd simply run out of things to play, and entertained suggestions as to what he should do next. "Play faster!' and 'Play it backwards!" were two of the suggestions he seemed to find msot amusing.) After that, a much more laid-back (Frippertronics sans solos) gig at a Greenwich Village church. Finally, I was at two of the Savoy 1981 shows people have been writing about, and I'll state up front that they were the first, and best KC I've seeen (I've seen all tours since). The only shows that came close were the Broadway shows from the last tour. Some confirmations: Fripp did rise from his seat during Shelteering Sky, as the audience went wild (it was THAT intense a performance), the band did play a version of Neurotica called 'Manhattan', a much heavier and better sonic assault than the final version IMO. Let's hope it appears on some future live compilation. Nice to see so many Savoyards here. Every KC fan I've spoken to who was at these shows confirms their special place in the live chronicles. Even Fripp has spoken lovingly of the first Discipline tour being the best. I suspect he's got NY in mind. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 20:07:25 -0500 From: gabriel dot a dot radvansky dot 1 at nd dot edu (G.A. Radvansky) Subject: Ideas for KC hey. I've got three suggestions for RF/KC, not that my opinon is better than anyone who has a clue about what's going on. The first two are serious, the third is just silliness. 1. Thrakattak and the Schizoid Man EP are both releases that present several versions or renditions of the same tune (too bad SM was not released a year later when there could be yet another track). Another possibility in this line would be to do a similar thing for the song Exposure. There are already the Gabriel and Fripp versions. We all know that there also has to be a Sylvian/Fripp version sitting in the archives somewhere. Finally, this also would be a fun "old" song for the current version of KC to attempt (and would round out an Exposure EP release). After all, RF, TL, PM, and TG have already played on previous versions. Think about it. 2. Adrian. Try not to use piano samples for a year. They're like heroin with you. 3. How about the following songs for a set list to showcase the raw aggressive thrashing power that KC can put forth: 1. Prelude: Song of the Gulls 2. Peace - a beginning 3. Cadence and Cascade 4. Inner Garden I 5. I Talk to the Wind 6. Man with an Open Heart 7. Peace - a theme 8. Lady of the Dancing Water 9. Moonchild 10. Inner Garden II 11. Two Hands 12. Peace - an ending --G.A. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 21:36:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Damon C Capehart Subject: Re: Gig review On Sat, 6 Jul 1996, Jonathan Newton (rather, his brother) wrote: > Even at the end when the rest of the band would stand and acknowledge > the crowd, he just stepped off the back and stood behind the drum kits. Hmmm... wouldn't have anything to do with a certain CD that got thrown at him last year, would it? :) Of course, Jonathan, you could probably tell your bro that before that incident, Fripp would actually stand up front with the rest of the guys at the concert. Damon Capehart | "I think we should eliminate semicolons from the aka Le Monsieur | English language; nobody uses them anymore dcapehar at utdallas dot edu | anyway." - one of Dilbert's anonymous coworkers ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 96 23:06:46 EDT From: "MODERN ANGEL O:)" Subject: Tons of stuff. :) Okay, here goes a pile of responses to things I've seen on here: Ring modulation: on the KC cd's from the "Islands"/"Earthbound" period, the ring modulation was done via a VCS3. Also saw it on one tune on a PCO CD, but not sure by what means it was done... and AB said in an interview around the time he'd done "Downward Spiral" that it had given him the chance to use some sounds, like ring modulation, that he didn't usually get to use. Quiet Sun: The CD with Eno/Manzanera ("Mainstream") is in print as a Japanese import and is darn expensive. Foxy Lady/Hendrix: Fripp's solos, in those rare moments that he goes totally off the wall, definately have a Hendrix bent to them. Also, the Sylvian/Fripp tune "Brightness Falls" opens with a kinda "Foxy Lady"-ish riff... a friend who's a guitarist (but doesn't know RF's work... deprived man. :) ) remarked on that first time he heard the song, so I don't think that one's just me. :) KC Collector's Edition One, I think, is "Heartbeat", the sampler CD that was issued in conjunction with "Frame By Frame". Anyone interested in the Mellotron, as one reader apparently is, should check out a CD called "Rime of the ancient sampler", whereon the likes of Pat Moraz and others do tunes on the Mellotron. Enough out of me. :) Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Terrance L Kalka II Date: Sun, 7 Jul 96 00:30:44 EDT Subject: RF standing On May 26, 1995 in Buffalo, NY during the first King Crimson concert in North America in over 10 years, during his second solo on Sex Sleep Eat Drink Dream, Robert Fripp stood. Any questions? Peace Terry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 10:10:34 -0400 (EDT) From: terry kroetsch f Subject: Adrian and Caifanes Can someone let me know WHICH Caifanes CD Adrian produced? There are about 4 listed at cdnow.com Thanks, cheers and private e-mail:tkroetsc at mach1 dot wlu dot ca _____________________________________________________________________ Why say *personally, I.....* - who else would be talking? ______________________________________________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Biffyshrew at aol dot com Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 10:34:48 -0400 Subject: Re: KC Collectors Editions & the "other" Tony Michael Wiegand asked: >The CD is labeled "KC Collectors Edition No. 2" on the >front. Does anyone have, or know what No. 1 is? Here's an excerpt from an interview I did with Robert Fripp in 1991: "In terms of collectors' editions, Heartbeat [The Abbreviated King Crimson] is King Crimson Collectors' Edition Volume One. Now what you could have, for example, is an album purely of "Schizoid Man"--alternative versions from 1969 through to 1974. I don't know how many people would play it, but the point is there is now a vehicle for rarities items in which it's stated fairly clear ahead of time, look, these are for collectors. The criteria which one applies to normal standard releases may be suspended in terms of rarities." Well, it only took Fripp five years to follow up on this idea! A quick follow-up on the "other" Tony: the Tony Levin who plays in Mujician is a _drummer_, who formerly played in Nucleus. Mujician is a stunningly great improvising unit in a standard jazz quartet configuration. I especially recommend their CD The Journey, available from Wayside. Finally, I'd like to invite ET readers to visit my web site, which includes a scan of a beautiful "Great Deceiver" picture sleeve from Italy, and photos of Bill Bruford in concert, among lots of other cool stuff. Biffy the Elephant Shrew @}-`--}---- http://users.aol.com/biffyshrew/biffy.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Otherroad at aol dot com Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 11:52:48 -0400 Subject: THRaKaTTaK soundbites are up! For all of you who are dying of curiosity as to what THRaKaTTaK sounds like, soundbites are now up for it at The Artist Shop . In fact, I got a little carried away and actually put up FOUR soundbites for it. I suggest you check them out soon as three of them will eventually disappear. For those of you who have criticized yet another appearance of 'Thrak,' I can assure you that 'Thrak' only appears as the briefest of bookends on this incredible set of music. I personally feel that it compliments the album extremely well. For those of you interested in track listings, here goes: 1. THRAK 2. Fearless and Highly THRaKked 3. Mother Hold The Candle Steady While I Shave The Chicken's Lip. 4. THRaKaTTaK Part I 5. The Slaughter Of The Innocents 6. This Night Wounds Time 7. THRaKaTTaK Part II 8. THRAK reprise Again, thanks to Mark Perry and Stan Hertzman for making it possible to include Discipline and Adrian Belew Presents in The Artist Shop. Also thanks to Trey Gunn for his personal compliment of The Artist Shop being an, "Excellent, excellent website." Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com OtherRoad at aol dot com SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: RISCH1 at MUVMS6 dot MU dot WVNET dot EDU Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 12:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: crimson in cincinnati? hey out there- does anyone know if KC is comng to the cincy ohio area and if so, when? thanks in advance joe [Sunday, August 11 at Riverbend! Get those tix now! - Dan] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 18:47:38 +0200 From: Dirk van den Hout Subject: IRC Channel about KC ? Hi there all at ET, Since a few days I have been struggling with a thing called IRC. My question is if there is an IRC channel about King Crimson or an IRC channel about PROGRESSIVE ROCK in general ? Please e-mail me privately ! Hope to hear from you soon ! Dirk -- Currently playing: Seconds Out Disc1 by GENESIS !@#$% Dirk van den Hout %$#@! !@#$% Residence: Helmond, Holland %$#@! !@#$% E-Mail: d dot van dot den dot hout at tip dot nl %$#@! !@#$% Homepage: www.tip.nl/users/d.van.den.hout %$#@! "The fool escaped from paradise, will look over his shoulder and cry Sitting chewing daffodils and struggle to answer why ?" (FISH 1983) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: max dot bracco at iol dot it Date: Sun, 07 Jul 96 19:07:03 Subject: Prism origin Concerning some messages wondering about this percussion encore : "Prism" is a drum piece written by Swiss percussionist Pierre Favre. Bruford suggested the idea of rearranging this tune for 3 percussions, and since Belew was a drummer before becoming a guitarist (he also played drumkit on his own first solo albums) he could be the third companion to this Drum Trio. Since then has become one of the most acclaimed new surprises of recent KC shows. Bye to all Crimsoners MAX from Italy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: leslabb at prolog dot net Date: Sun, 07 Jul 96 04:25:27 -0500 Subject: Crimson On MTV I was watching MTV this weekend and noticed that they plan on covering all of the summer tours, Lollapolooza, KISS, H.O.R.D.E., etc. They also plan on having some specials called "Bootleg". I assume that this means some live footage from these concerts. What I am hoping for is that there will be a Bootleg Crimson show. What better way to introduce Crimson to new fans than a "Bootleg" show on 120 minutes. If not a show, then maybe a video or two. We can only hope :) Les ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: MacNMike at aol dot com Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:51:19 -0400 Subject: Identifying ETers at shows In ET #289, Mathews, Thomas J. Subject: re:ANGST! >From: Nel3 at aol dot com >Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:53:28 -0400 >Subject: Fight for the right to create Spam equations -- >but if I want angst there's a lot of nicely cathartic songsters I can turn to >without debasing myself by drowning in his puerile attempts at exorcising his >demons. Angst...you want angst? How about: >So be still and put away childhood things if you really want to look through >a glass darkly... to gaze thru the darkest glass of them all (if that's your idea of a good time), listen to the work of Peter Hammill (solo or especially with the band, Van der Graaff Generator)(Fripp contributes _significant_ guitar to several pieces on albums by the band as well as pH solo) many of you will know the man's voice from Mr. Fripp's solo album "Exposure" (who could forget 'Disengage' or 'Chicago'?!?!?), but this is only the _voice_ with someone else's words...this is less than half of the experience! ( additionally, pH's work offers much more than just spleen-venting, even though he was/is often critically maligned for being "too unrelentingly dark and depressing", he maintains (and for what it's worth, i concur - not only in regard to Hammilll's work, but in life in general) that it's only by exposing the darker things to the clear light of day (and of reason) that _anything_ has any hope of being worked out.) (bears a certain similarity to some of the things KC do _musically_, don't you think?....or don't you?) since this is somewhat off-topic and already too long, i welcome further discussion via private e-mail. p.s. these digests have been getting very looonnnnggggg lately, could they be sent out more often, or perhaps split up (possibly with the gig reviews separate) to make them somewhat more ...... (sorry, i can't resist)..... digestable. [Separating the USA gigs reviews might be a good idea. I'm trying to keep the size no higher than 70 K. I don't want to put digests out at too quick a pace, though, so that et-bulletin readers have time to get the latest one off the Web. - Dan] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 00:13:55 -0500 From: Chris Berg Subject: Bootlegging and what not CHRISTOPHER K. MAHMOOD wrote: "Someone raised an excellent point last issue: The best way to discourage bootlegging is to make as much live material as possible available. I would be willing to go as far as to support a sort of KC cd of the month club; each month members are given the option of buying the current selection with the agreement to purchase a certain number per year at, say, $13 (the typical new cd price in the US). Of course, once a month might be too demanding on Fripp et al. (I have no idea how much time it takes to produce a live recording), but the idea is the same. I think many would even advance a years fees on RF's good name in order to get the "club" going." There's been some similar talk about this on the Grateful Dead newsgroup. Personally, I'd love to see something like this, but it seems highly unlikely. What did Fripp say? Something like "Taping a concert is akin to secretly video taping someone while they're having sex." Seems pretty clear to me that Fripp really isn't into releasing shows all that much (regardless of how good we feel he might be in bed :) Still, one could hope right? With this Earthbound II upcoming as well as the "Archive" stuff being released later this year (hopefully), it seems that Fripp is being pretty generous with slaking our thirst for live KC. This incarnation of KC has put out FOUR albums worth of material. Some incarnations of KC didn't make it that far. Like Trey Gunn said, they don't have to record until the muse moves them. This approach seems to be agreeable to them. Creativity doesn't oftem occur at gun point. Trey's statements about HORDE and this talk of bootlegging (again) makes me wonder about something: HORDE has an open audience taping policy. Everyone who plays teh festival is fair game for the tapers. It seems odd to me that KC is doing this tour considering Fripp's stance on live taping. Looks like we'll be getting some KC shows pretty soon. If the tapes pan out, is anyone up for a tape tree? Later Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Emuguy5830 at aol dot com Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:25:02 -0400 Subject: Pseudo-religious babble and rolling doughnuts hullo: Alex said in ET 289: >How Fripp experiences his creative act is of no importance to the listener. KC is _not_ a god. You should know up front that I don't care for religious ideals or experiences, so I am in no danger of equating KC with gods or God or god or whatever. I respond to art, not myths. When I hear, see or (more so) read a very good piece of art, I respond to it emotionally. Moreover, I can tell when something meaningful has motivated the artist(s) to create it. It can be a moving and, I suppose, religious experience, perhaps as much for me as it was for the artist(s) involved. So definitely, what motivates an artist to create what he does is important. This can be good (KC and Fripp) or bad. Here's my favorite bad example, my favorite good example being Fripp: A super ego prompted Roger Waters to take complete control of Pink Floyd. He subsequently kicked Richard Wright out of the band and created an atrocious album, The Final Cut. His personal motivations, his "creative act" produced a cresting and cascading wave of nausea in this here listener instead of a warm and gentle current of good-will. This is a very good example of my point which I don't think I've stated. SInce I haven't purported myself and my point, seems I quite honestly forgot to, I suppose I should. The personal experience that foments art in the artist is important to the audience, in this case the listener, in this case me, as it were. I know that many people don't care what goes into art (I've had this same agruement with a friend before), but I feel that it is very important. It can make all the difference between a cold, distant piece of art and something enjoyable and significant. wearing the inside out, Matt C ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Organization: University of Mining and Metallurgy Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:58:50 +0200 (MET DST) From: Pawel Swirek Subject: Schizoid Man release On article et#289 Mike Lockyer wrote: > > 5 tracks > > total time 39 minutes - Yes 39 minutes > > 1. the edited original > 2. the original > 3. 1969 live - from a forthcoming album (1996) > 4. 1972 live form Earthbound > 5. 1974 live from a forthcoming album (1997) > > Price stlg1.99 How many dollars is it ? Pawel Swirek @KING_CRIM on IRC ( * - not yet, maybe in future ) 1 Mailto: king_crim at irc dot pl 2 PGP finger: swierk at student dot uci dot agh dot edu dot pl 3 WWW : http://student.uci.agh.edu.pl/~swierk 4 :-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Alex Moseley Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:39:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: 21cSM and Chart Success? I was told an interesting story by the shop assistant in HMV when I was looking for a copy of the Schizoid Man single: apparently the distributors had wanted to put a sticker on the front advertising the single as the Dunlop advert theme; but Robert had vetoed this move. Not sure whether this is true or not, but it's a strange thing to make up. I can certainly see Robert's perspective if this was the case: the music is King Crimson, not some attachment to a corporation, and should be sold as such. BUT if there had been such a sticker would more people have discovered KC and then maybe we would have seen a KC Top of the Pops appearance (here I nod at Alan McGuire's post last issue)?! Hmm. Worth pondering about. Very impressed with the final Shepherds Bush show. I am solidly hooked. Al. *------------------------------ Alex Moseley, Computer Officer (Arts & Law), University of Leicester. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: JPRICE at TrentU dot ca Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 09:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Backwards stuff and collector's editions. Re: A couple of questions in the last ET. >I just >purchased a CD single by KC called "Schizoid Man" , which has 5 >versions of that piece: >3 are live('69 , '72 & '74) and 2 are album versions. >The CD is labeled "KC Collectors Edition No. 2" on the front. Does >anyone have, or know what No. 1 is? "King Crimson Collectors Edition No. 1" is "The Abbreviated King Crimson: Heartbeat", a 6 song CD-EP containing "The King Crimson Barber Shop", "Matte Kudesai", edited versions of "21st Century Schizoid Man", "In the Court of the Crimson King", "Elephant Talk", and "Heartbeat." It also contains "Medley", 1:20 of excerpts from KC songs, spanning their entire career, edited togeather into a single piece. It was originally created as a promotional device for the "Frame by Frame" box set. Robert states,"Collectors being what they are, the large promotional issue to radio stations would eventually end up in private hands. I have no objection to this. For those collectors who would rather not wait, and for anyone who would rather dip briefly into classic Crimson, we make publicly available this record intended for radio." As for the "Exposure" question, I sampled the backwards segment in "Haaden Two" from "Exposure", dumped it to my trusty Atari STe running GenWave 2.0, reversed it and sent it back to my sampler. The resulting spoken words? "One thing is for sure; a sheep is not a creature of the air. Baaaahhh!" Pretty deep, huh? Actually, this is an excerpt from a Monty Python sketch, as I understand it. J. P. Co-FAQ guy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: dalane at bbn dot com (Dave Lane) Organization: BBN Domain Corporation Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 12:51:45 -0400 Subject: Re: KC at the Savoy Charles Jowett wrote: >From: Lawrence Raniere >>[...] my recollection is that Fripp, during Indiscipline >>(which closed the initial portion of the show as they usually have done ever >>since then), was so into the scene, that he actually got off of his stool >>during his solo in Indiscipline, maybe a few steps, and gyrated in placed >>while wailing on the best solo I've heard him do to date. >I too saw KC at the Savoy in November(?) 1981. I saw the second perfromance >on a saturday night (I can probably track down my old ticket stub somewhere). >And yes, Robert Fripp definetly got off his stool during his Indiscipline solo Legend has it that during the "Earthbound" tour, he once performed a solo that was so intense--so cathartic--that he actually loosened his uppermost shirt button. Can you imagine? I get gooseflesh just thinking about it. --Dave semicolon, carat, right-paren. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: 8 Jul 1996 17:10:06 -0600 From: "John Ott" Subject: Re: making music re> making music >KC is a band that plays, records and sells music. It consists of a number of >brilliant musicians with various attitudes/ethics towards making music. However >what we find on albums/hear at concerts is simply music played by the actual >band. one shoud be _very_ careful to mix up music with religion. No matter how >Fripp _personally_ experiences his own creative act; this is of no importance >whatsoever for the listener. the listener is supposed to listen to the music and >either like it or not, with whatever personal ethics or attitudes towards this >he/she might have. >KC is _not_ a god! >Alex While I agree that we tend to over deify pop icons, I happen to think you over simplify the act of making music. It is much more than musicians playing their instruments. It contains all of their training, practice, influences and to some extent their personalities. As for mixing up music and religion, I believe the two are interwoven. Music does have a mystical content, and most religions have music as part of it's experience. I was brought up in the Methodist church ,and a big part of my religious experience was singing with the choir (youth and adult). I play several instruments and there is part of the music I play that comes from me, yet sometimes the music has it's own voice. I believe RF speaks of standing in the presence of the music in the booklet to the great deciever box set. I know what he means. As to " listen to the music and either like it or not", I find that a rather shallow way to listen to music. Sometimes at first listen some music does not appeal to me. Later I may find something I really enjoy at a later listen, or sometimes a piece will just grow on me. So you don't have to _decide_ about a piece of music, just listen with open ears and an unbiased mind, you will find you like a lot of different kinds and styles of music. Or maybe not. It's up to the listener to choose. As for the ethics/experience of the musician, your are right that it does not matter to the listener. But the ethics, experience and approach does effect the making of the music. see ya John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: GUZZIALFA at aol dot com Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 21:57:32 -0400 Subject: Hoard Tour in Hartford, CT Does anyone know for certain, at what point King Crimson will be performing at this venue? I know that the show starts @ 4:00pm. How long a set do they get? I've got some major re-arranging to do and I'm only going to stay long enough to see Fripp & Co. again. Thanks, John Sillasen [Word has it KC is on stage first of the top billing artists. - Dan] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:00:12 +1100 From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James Dignan) Subject: Ring Modulators, Mellotrons and Bacon >>That device was a _ringmodulator_ (so it is called in german, I hope it >>is the same word in english, too). >The only other example of ring modulation that I can recall is an >instrumental called "The Ringmaster" on the Groundhogs' "Hogwash" (1972). >This is a blues-type album that just happens to use a lot of mellotron. It is also used by Penguin Cafe Orchestra on their self-titled 1981 album - IIRC on the track "Telephone and Rubber Band". >3) What other groups out there employ the mellotron like K.C.? other than Yes and early Genesis, my favourite use of Mellotron outside King Crimson comes from a (sadly) little-known band called Greenslade - a trio of tracks called Time, Tide and Catalan. The Moody Blues were also frequent users of the beastie. There are a number of bands that have used the mellotron more recently (ie, 80s and 90s). One that springs to mind is XTC, who used it to great effect on the 1983 song "All you pretty girls". However no-one, and I mean NO-ONE uses a mellotron like King Crimson! >Robert Fripp-->Pat Mastellotto-->XTC-->"She's Having A Baby"(sdtk)-->Kevin >Bacon coincidentally, the "linking" game is currently going on on the XTC mailing list. Considering that I managed to get from them to the BeeGees version of Sgt. Pepper in a mere four steps (one of which was Brian Eno, a frequent Fripp cohort) there ain't too many steps from Crimso to some pretty dodgy material! James ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "palga at james dot unit dot no" Subject: Musicians & "Sir James" Date: 09 Jul 1994 16:08:35 Hello ET'ers This is my first posting to Elephant Talk (having been a "passive reader" for a long time..). I would like to comment on "Sir James" posting in ET288 where he stated that Hendrix should be ranked lower than Fripp etc. The fact that Jimi Hendrix did not read music had nothing to do with his relevance as a "stellar" guitarist. Ability to read music may help a guitarist, but is by no means requiered. "Sloppy" playing can be just as valid and musical (in a wider sence of the word) as clinicaly correct playing. Hendrix may be less technicaly proficient than RF, but that does not make him a lesser guitarist. As for Hendrix playing RF stuff... Well Hendrix died in '71, but I'm sure that Hendrix could have played some nice versions of RF licks if he wanted. Both Hendrix and RF can be considered as inventors of particular styles of guitar playing and therefore both should be respected for that. Now to the tendecies in progressive rock (esp. among fans) to emphasise virtuosity. This is what rightfully has given prog. rock a bad name. Inovation and progress (esp. the latter) should be the goals for progressive music, not showing off your technical abilities. This is what makes KC a great band - the element of inovation have always been there. There is nothing progressive in playing "fuges" and classicaly influenced rock (it was in the early '70, but it can hardly be considered progressive in the '90). As for Howe compared to RF... Well what has Howe done that could be considered inovative (and progressive) since 1975? ;-). I think a band that plays "sloppy" and inovative music are much more interesting/valid than a band that just plays music with perfect chops. (and i think KC is a nice combination of the two :-) playing inovative music with impressive chops.) -Ian McDonnald & David Cross: "Sir James" asked about Ian McDonald & David Cross and their musical abilties. IMO both were important to the sound of KC in the periods they where in the band. David Cross have been given much critic, but I think his style fits the sound of KC in that period. His musical abilties is IMO not as interesting as the fact that he gave valid contributions to the sound and the mood of KC. -PSG- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: Charles Jowett Subject: RE: Fripp and Hendrix Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:52:20 -0400 Also, I was present at a Frippertronics concert at Princeton University in the mid 1980s, where Fripp did as much talking and philosophising as he did playing. The playing was being done on his old analog tape loop system. At that show, he mentioned a falling out he had had with Eno. The mood of the crowd seemed anxious, suffering the post-Crimson break-up blues. You could tell they were hoping Fripp would break out in his Frippertronics with some wild riffs, but alas, he kept it sort of tame. But, all of a sudden, he broke into Hendrix's "Foxy Lady", playing the first 10-15 seconds or so in perfect Fripp-fashion. The crowd went wild, hoping he would continue and finish the song. But, alas again, it was just a "teaser". But appreciated, none the less. *------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was also at the Fripp lecture tour "concert" at Princeton University. I remeber that he was discussing the use of the fuzz-box and as a demonstartion played the opening of "Foxy Lady". Charles ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 12:09:00 -0400 From: jwc146 at psu dot edu (Sir James) Subject: Thanks! and a question Just a word of thanks to those who answered my questions and cleared up some misconceptions here at ET. Especially Kurt, Tom and Les!! Thanks alot!! By the way, let me clear something up. I am not a Van Halen fan, but I understand Eddie Van Halen is an excellent guitarist with a style all his own, two hand tap I think, and people tend to slur their words, hense my misnomer in saying "Andy" instead of the correct "Eddie," sorry about that! Could someone post or e-mail me the 100 best guitarists list please? With all the responses to my post, that was never included. Like I asked before, where is Steve Howe, Peter Banks, Trevor Rabin, and Eddie Van Halen listed on it? Is there a similar list for bassists and keynboardists, I'd be interested to know how they are rated. Whose the superior keyboardist, Rick Wakeman, Keith Emerson, or John Tout (from Rennaisance)? One other question, I recently started looking for THRaK aTTack, and the 21CSM single, which are hard to find, but I heard something interesting. I was talking to a guy who works at Tower, and he said there was also a single available called 20th, (not 21rst) century schitzoid man available AS WELL!! Does anybody know what that is??? Well once again, thanks for all the responses I appreciate it. You ET guys keep up the good work!! And Dan you did a good job for your first time!! Buh-bye for now! Jim ************************************************************************* "Happy Family, one hand clap, four went by and none came back."--- "Happy Family" by King Crimson ************************************************************************* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: grc at spoon dot easynet dot co dot uk Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:25:23 +0100 Subject: Collector's Edition No. 1 gut at lglobal dot com (Michael W.) wrote - >Subject: KC Collectors Edition No. 2 >This is my 1st post to ET(or anywhere), so I hope it works. I just >purchased a CD single by KC called "Schizoid Man" , which has 5 versions of >that piece: >3 are live('69 , '72 & '74) and 2 are album versions. >The CD is labeled "KC Collectors Edition No. 2" on the front. Does anyone >have, or know what No. 1 is? I have. Collector's Edition No. 1 was 'The Abbreviated King Crimson - Heartbeat' on Virgin, KCCOL 1. It was released in 1991 as a companion release to the 'Frame by Frame' box set, as I recall. Trax - The King Crimson Barber Shop - 1'31 Schizoid Man (abbrev) - 4'43 Court of Crimson King (abbrev) - 4'54 Elephant Talk (edited) - 3'33 Matte Kudasai - 3'46 Heartbeat (edited) - 2'57 Medley - 1'20 I'd be interested to know if these editions were issued outside the UK. Can anyone advise? Regards, Graham ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: grc at spoon dot easynet dot co dot uk Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:13:30 +0100 Subject: Elephant Talk back issues? Hi - 'scuse me if I've missed something somewhere, but is it possible to get 'back issues' of ET? Also, when did #1 get issued, i.e. when did ET start? Regards, Graham [Back issues can be has via ET Web (URL at top) at Mike Stok's Crimso Archive. Issue number 1 came out Tuesday, August 20, 1991 - Were almost 5 years old! - Dan] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:49:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeffrey S. Kamil" Subject: New CD's Are ThrakAttack and the 21st. Cent. CD's available domestically in the U.S.? I have not been able to find them. Jeff ("H the H") ->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->-> Jeffrey S. Kamil and Harry the Hat Productions harryhat at wco dot com 75121 dot 2760 at compuserve dot com http://www.wco.com/~harryhat/ <-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<-<- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 15:44:27 -0400 From: sid smith <106050 dot 2211 at compuserve dot com> Subject: KC ON COMMUNITY RADIO IN NEWCASTLE A few eter's will recall in ET 279 I made a request for your favourite KC track and your favourite RF contribution to another person's track to be included as part of two programmes I'm doing on a community radio station in Newcastle on Tyne in the North East of England. Firstly can I say thank you to those who responded. I will write a personal note to each person. The first programme went out last week and covered the band from 69 - 74. The second part will be going out in the next couple of weeks and will focus from Discipline to the double trio. I'll be featuring a few taped interviews with Crimheads who were at the Shepherd's Bush Empire to add a bit of commentary to the show. If anyone would like a tape copy of the shows I'll do a copy. However, you'll have to send me enough cassette tape to cover two hours. Assumming I'm not inundated with requests I'll handle the postal charge to return the tapes. E- Mail me privately if you're interested. For those people who like lists, the music I featured on programme one was as follows: Vrooom (from B'Boom as intro and voice over (VO) music) 20th Century Schizoid Man ITCOTCK (as VO) Peace (as VO) Cat Food Bolero (as VO - from Frame By Frame set) Cirkus The Sailor's Tale (from Frame By Frame set) The Talking Drum (as VO) LTIApt2 Trio (as VO) We'll Let You Know Red (as VO) Starless I found it difficult to get a representative choice of tracks and I'm sure we'd each do it differently. However, I think there's a balance between the songs, epics and improvisation that happens in Crimson. You try condensing 6 years of music into one hour. It's a lot of fun. There's still time to get your favourite KC track for inclusion in the Internet top ten slot I want to do in programme two. So get writing now. PS - I interviewed an American fan who talked about ITCOTCK and that he had planned his vacation around the two shows in the UK. He also went on to say that he was looking forward to seeing Crimson on 24th August at Columbia, Maryland which was very close to his home. I didn't get his name. I think he gets ET. If you are reading this or know who i'm talking about could you please E-Mail me privately or via ET your name so I can name you on the programme ? Thanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:13:04 -0600 (MDT) From: ecerb at indra dot com (Elaine C. Erb) Subject: Berkeley A belated thank you to whomever it was that posted the info for tickets for the show at the Greek Theatre. Boy what having free airfare that expires in August will get you to do. I'm flying out for the show from Colorado as well as visiting a friend in the Bay area. The problem is, she doesn't think she likes King Crimson. Are any get togethers planned for ETers before the show? Please email me if so. Looking for to hearing 21CSM and hoping not to bug my neighbors too badly with THRaKaTTaK in the meantime. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 03:15:24 GMT Subject: Tony Levin Radio Interview From: lordabay at nyc dot pipeline dot com (michaeldamianjeter) Hi everyone:-) I am a member of WNYC, the NPR afilliate of New York City and the borroughs. One of the rewards of this is that I recieve their monthly program guide. On August 23, the programming of the show New Sounds with John Schaefer is listed as "Bass and Chapman stick(sic) player Tony Levin." It looks like it will be an entire hour. Here in New York, New Sounds is heard at 11:00 on 93.9 FM. I believe New Sounds is syndicated, so those of you elsewher might want to check your NPR listings. Alas, I will be out of town that weekend, so, anyone who is able to hear it, please be sure to record it. I will remind you all as often as possible. Thanks. -- michael damian jeter Dept. of English, Kingsborough Community College, Brooklyn, NY Chapman Stick player-in-waiting Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself (I am large, I contain multitudes)-- Walt Whitman, "Song of Myself" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: ckk at uchicago dot edu (Chris Koenigsberg ckk at pobox dot com) Subject: Fripp "Kan-non Power" live Italian CD Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:36:10 -0500 Hope this isn't already known in an FAQ but I just picked up a copy of the Italian CD "Robert Fripp Kan-non Power", on Pluto Records (PLR CD 9324), recorded live at TFM Hall in Tokyo Japan on November 11th, 1992. The personnel is Fripp on guitar, Trey Gunn on stick, with Bert Lams, Paul Richards, and Hedeyo Moriya on guitars (I assume this is the same as the Robert Fripp String Quintet i.e. Fripp and Trey and the CGT?). There are no liner notes inside the booklet, just a catalogue of other Pluto Records CD's. It does sound like a live rendering of the material on the Robert Fripp String Quintet album, basically. Some nice Fripp work. Chris Koenigsberg ckk at uchicago dot edu, ckk at pobox dot com after I move soon http://www.pobox.com/~ckk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: neputnya at fishnet dot net Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:58:32 +0000 Subject: Re: Elephant Talk Digest #289, "music speaks through musicians" I would like to reply to some of commments on a post made by Olivier Malhomme in ET#288 and a comment on Mr. Malhomme's post by Alex Brugger in ET#289. Mr. Malhomme seems to be stating that the humans performing under the name of King Crimson are merely the instruments of a larger entity, utilizing their technical prowess to channel musical creations, the origins of which most mortals have no comprehension. Mr. Bruggers explanation is that they are just brilliant musicians composing & playing great music. Mr. Malhomme is somewhat correct in his ascertation, although it is most likely a combination of "ethereal" suggestions & "corporeal" technical manifestations of the aforementioned "suggestions", along with other considerations, such as personality, empathy, physical attributes and geography. As far as mixing music and religion, I don't think Mr. Malhomme is suggesting that is the case. Music and religion have always been close bedfellows, and if you consider the modern interpretation of the word "religion", it is even more closely related. I think the Mr. Malhomme is referring to "spirituality" as opposed to religion. (I can just imagine Pat Boone or Jimmy Swaggart writhing and jerking as they channel "Indiscipline") Stating that "No matter how Fripp personally experiences his own creative act, this is of no importance to the listener" is a broad generalization that could only be true in a society of automatons. Mr. Brugger's equation seems to be "Attitude + Ethics +Technical Prowess = The Music". Then, the listener takes "The Music", doesn't read the labels or disclaimers that explain the origin of the ingredients, aurally ingests it, and then filters it through a number of other factors, such as, how work went that day, how the love relationship is progessing, how bad the traffic on the way to the concert was, what substances were ingested (food, dope, drink), is the guy next to me yelling "Free Bird". Only after that is this "filtered" music interpreted by the mind. This suggests a vast difference in what music King Crimson is performing and what individuals in the audience actually interpret upon listening. The creative process that the performing musician is going through is of UTMOST importance to the listener. Creative process shoud be the first part of Mr. Brugger's "equation". Without it there is no music. There are so many factors involved in the creative process, many which we do not understand. As a jazz and fusion musician many years ago, I once worked with a tenor player who now is quite famous and respected on the West Coast. I had composed a suite of straight-ahead McCoy Tyner-like jazz pieces that were inspired by Hesse's Siddartha and Journey to the East, to be performed at a music festival here in Ojai, where I live. The tenor player was always buying instruction & play-along cassettes, taking lessons, practicing 8 hours a day, whereas my workout was just sitting at the piano and playing. He would always remark about how much he dug my soloing, telling me that someday I would be famous if I persued that avenue, and what were some of the scales, exercises, etc. that I was using. He was a little shocked when I answered that I had no idea what I was doing, I would just lay my hands on the keyboard and music would come out. I'm not saying that I'm the Shirley McClaine of jazz piano, or inviting ETr's to worship me, I'm saying that it's just the way that it is. (Isn't there a song on Exposure that echoes that sentiment?) The point I am attempting to make here is that both schools of thought followed by Mr. Malhomme and Mr. Brugger exist, (obviously!) although I believe Mr. Malhomme is walking the more righteous path. Music that is solely inspired by "earthbound" influences definitely exists, and is the preferred method of composition and performance by western pop musicians. But not by my King Crimson. P.S. I was going to make a bad pun about Robert Fripp "leaving his stool" but common sense and good taste prevailed. Reading all the posts concerning that subject reminded me of Fripp's detailed writings about his "intestinal infirmity" in "The Great Deciever" booklet. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:54:37 -0600 From: cad at mail dot utexas dot edu (Claudia Alarcon) Subject: KC in Mexico City Hola Amigos! This is my first post to ET, but I have been a Crim-head for many years. Last year I had the inmense pleasure of seeing KC live for the first time, once in Seattle in the summer, and later in November here in lovely Austin, TX, where I live. I never even dreamed I'd see them once, much less twice. But now I get my third chance since my summer visit to my home town, Mexico City, has coincided with KC's first ever concert there. I just got an e-mail from my brother, who informed me that he was able to score second row tickets for the Aug.2 show !!! This is certainly more than I could have asked for. I will post a review of my experience upon my return. Does anybody know if CGT is opening for them on the Mexico dates? I sure would like to see them again as well . Also, does anybody have any idea whether " Bewitched" and "I advance masked" are available on CD? I can't seem to find them anywhere. Thank you Toby and Dan for providing this forum of KC talk for all of us out here. Until the next time, cheers ! Claudia. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #290 ********************************