From et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot ukTue Jun 18 06:52:35 1996 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 01:00:49 GMT From: Elephant Talk Reply to: et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: bulkmail at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #284 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 284 Monday, 17 June 1996 Today's Topics: Emmett Chapman sues Trey Gunn and others Wetton's voice PLEASE, MR. FRIPP; Possible Productions, Oregon Crimson show? Earthbound, and Schizoid Man K.C. LONDON TICKETS FOR SALE conservative KC Tickets have been sold. Dave Matthews kickin' ass & playing live David Torn Peak Moments of a Life NIN equation revised (none) other places, and Trent Tour Dates and ET Web Please Update Your Links to ET Web Re: Elephant Talk Digest #283 Re: KC plays Asbury Park GIG REVIEWS aTTaCKed and... THRaCKed! Warsaw, 7th June 1996 ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk UNSUB/ADDRESS CHANGES: Send a message with a body of HELP to et-admin at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk, or use the DIY list machine at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ ETWEB: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ (partial mirror at http://members.aol.com/etmirror/) THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmeister) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: 17 Jun 96 11:40:20 EDT From: Trey Gunn <74744 dot 443 at CompuServe dot COM> Subject: Emmett Chapman sues Trey Gunn and others A suit dated June 11, 1996 filed by Emmett Chapman of Stick Enterprises lists Trey Gunn, Mark Warr, Frank Jolliffe, Traktor Topaz and Kyle Wolhmut. The complaints are: 1. Libel 2. Slander 3. Inducing breach of contract 4. Intentional interference with prospective economic advantage 5. Negligent interference with prospective economic advantage 6. Fraud 7. Trade secret misappropriation 8. Unfair trade practices On every count the word conspired appears. [ NOTE FROM TOBY: Dear ETers (who include some -- if not all -- of those individuals mentioned above), Please be aware that I am going to be extremely circumspect about including subsequent posts on this topic in ET, due to the fact this is the beginning of legal proceedings for those individuals involved. I'm sure Trey will keep us posted on developments, as he sees proper. I know Trey's post will stir emotions in many of you. However, ET is a publically available published forum, so we cannot (and do not wish to) publish libellous, slanderous or offensive remarks. For obvious reasons, I must reserve my moderator's right to reject posts if needs be. Please use your discretion. If I may just say one thing, which I know will reflect feelings of many of you: this makes me very sad. -- Toby ] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:02:25 -0400 (EDT) From: FISHBOY Subject: Wetton's voice Hello Elephant Talkers, Recently there have been some posts criticizing John Wetton's voice on the live _Chasing the Dragon_ album. Am I the only one who thinks his voice sounds great on that CD? I just got it a few months ago and was wondering what his voice sounded like these days. To my surprise, he sounded as good or better than he did in the 70s. Granted, he doesn't quite have the same sort of "restrained power" he did with KC, but he's more controlled, and I don't think he's sung that way since Asia started anyway. His voice may be somewhat different than it was with KC, but it still soars beautifully. ta ta, Andy Acunzo aacunzo at ccmail dot sunysb dot edu P.S. What is the general opinion of KC fans about (any era) JW's voice? In the booklet to _The Great Deceiver_, there's a really good essay by a fan about that era of KC, and while he raves about JW's bass playing, he rags on his voice. Is this the general consensus among fans, that Wetton was only an adequate singer (if that)? I always liked JW's voice, and found its power during that period very appropriate for that era KC. P.P.S. Does anyone else find it frustrating that Wetton, Cross, and Fripp were in the same room at a show in Europe and didn't play anything together? Aaarrggh! ------------------------------ ************************************************** REMINDER: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk *************************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Joel M. Depper" Subject: PLEASE, MR. FRIPP; Possible Productions, Oregon Crimson show? Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 20:10:54 -0700 Hello ETers, First of all, I'd like to call to Robert Fripp's attention that not all of us are able to attend King Crimson concerts, for reasons of money, location, etc. Many of us will never be able to hear the new interpretations of older KC material (Neurotica, Waiting Man, Three of a Perfect Pair, SCHIZOID MAN). SO, I think it would be nice if we could maybe get another official bootleg of the new tour with all songs that weren't on B'boom like the aforementioned and others (any other calls for Sartori in Tangier?). So, Mr. Fripp, if you're reading this, PLEASE consider doing this--some of us have waited for a long time... Second, I'd like to call to people's attention the great job that Possible Productions is doing. If you haven't already been blessed by this great company then perhaps you should give it a try. Mark Perry (I assume this is him) is very friendly on the phone and will talk to you. This is no robotic-operator company, this is a group that really cares and I think we should all give them a big thanks! I just ordered THRaK aTTaK and Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx and am dying to receive them! Lastly, I'd like to once more ask the good judgement of Robert Fripp to consider playing a show in Oregon, USA... there are no shows planned that are even near here and I'm sure if you play, the Crims will come... Sincerely, Dave Depper jdepfam at bendnet dot com P. S. O R E G O N P L E A S E? ------------------------------ From: "Bailey, Jim" Subject: Earthbound, and Schizoid Man Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:28:00 -0400 I noticed recently, some discussion on the legal pedigree of Earthbound. I am hopeful that this will set the matter straight. Earthbound was a legitimate release (at least at one time). It was part of a series of budget albums put out by Island, and was serial # HELP 6. Others were: ELP - Pictures at an Exhibition, HELP 1; Henry Wolff & Nancy Hennings - Tibetan Bells, HELP 3; Stomu Yamash'ta & Come to the Edge - Floating Music, HELP 12 (some tracks featured in "The Man Who Fell to Earth"); Aiye Keta - The Third World (with Steve Winwood), HELP 14; the two Fripp & Eno albums, No Pussyfooting, HELP 16, and Evening Star, HELP 22; Basil Kirchin - Worlds Within Worlds, HELP 18 (some liner notes by Eno). Virgin had a similar line, with Caroline Records (Fred Frith, Coxhill/Miller, etc.). If anyone knows of more HELP albums of interest here please let us know! Now to enter the Schizoid Man fray. While I like the song as much as any other, I always prefered it with sax, which appears to be missing in the current line-up. For my money, I would prefer to see them do Mars. Now THAT would be a scorcher!!! I'll never forget seeing the ' 71 band do it (in the guise of "The Devil's Triangle"), here in Toronto. Nearly soiled my armour! Hugs to all. Jim Bailey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:26:02 +0000 From: Rupert Loydell Subject: K.C. LONDON TICKETS FOR SALE I can't get up to London on the 1st July so if anyone wants to buy two downstairs standing tickets for Shepherds Bush on that day please email me direct: [or telephone 01392 435087]. thanks. Rupert Loydell ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jun 96 17:13:39 EDT From: Michael Ruesenberg <100603 dot 144 at CompuServe dot COM> Subject: conservative KC I was also present at open air cologne and I am sorry I have to disagree with Michael P. This concert finally confirmed my impression of last years concert and several discs meanwhile, that the achievment of 90's KC is marginal compared to that of the 70's and 80's KC. When this years KC for instance leave meter and beat there is nothing that equals the performance of a piece like *requiem*. What today formally looks like improvisation has to be rated at the very bottom of what you may experience when you compare it with free improvised music. (frank zappa's band in that respect was clearly better.) I still wonder about the presence of two drummers, their polyrhythmic output is little, it seems to be more for show than for content. And what finally comes as a joke to me is that 1996 *schizoid man* from that of 1970 only slightly differs in instrumentation, but is exactly the same form. this is the most conservative moment of the show. On hearing this, I wished to encourage any dj that would de-construct this wonderful piece and give it a new reading. *------------------------------------------------- michael ruesenberg. cologne. jazzcity on wdr radio 5 'http://www.wdr.de/Hoerfunk/hfkst/jazzcity.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 20:43:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Sullivan Subject: Tickets have been sold. The August 25th Merriwether Post Pavilion tix I had have been sold. Thanks to all who replied, and good luck in your quest. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 01:19:11 -0400 From: Emuguy5830 at aol dot com Subject: Dave Matthews uh, Elephant Talker Ernie said something to the effect that Dave Matthews was impressed with Fripp because he doesn't imitate anyone. No qualms there except that the statement came from Dave Matthews. I mean considering that all of his songs sound like they came right out of the Peter Hammil library it seems a bit odd for him to admire anyone with the least bit of originality, let alone Fripp. Take a listen to the 1977 album The Quiet Zone/The Pleasure Dome and perhaps you'll see what I mean. Oh, by the way, I love dry Enlish wit--well, I suppose it was dry Scottish with in this case. "For Oliver Shostak, learning that the illusory deity of Judeo-Christianity had once actually inhabited the heavens and the earth was hands-down the worst experience of his life"--James Morrow Matt C ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 01:56:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Darius Subject: kickin' ass & playing live Hi everybody. First I wanted to comment on this (please excuse the frivolity): > > This is the album where Mel Collins wails and, simply-spoken, kicks > > ass. > Someone else here posted that Mel Collins 'kicks major ass'. Has Mr Collins > been reported to the Buttock Police? I just love American idioms! :) > Mike Dickson, Black Cat Software Factory, Scotland : Fax 0131-653-6124 Hee hee hee! :) BTW, if Mel Collins were _really_ good, he'd be "kickin' ass and takin' names". Second and more seriously, I thought I'd toss a few comments onto the "playing old material" debate, and possibly add to the trouble by quoting from another favorite artist of mine, Joe Jackson, the British rock musician / composer (note: I believe there's an American C&W singer by the same name; I DO NOT MEAN HIM!!! =). In his liner notes to his compilation _Live_1980-86_, he says this about playing live: "I've always had two stubborn rules about playing live. Firstly, no matter how small the audience, how bad the acoustics, how smelly the dressing room, etc, every show is important. It's possible to play to about a dozen people throwing garbage and still be called back for an encore. Secondly, play what you want to play. This became more important once the audiences stopped throwing garbage. I kept things interesting for myself by, amongst other things, rearranging both the bands and the songs. My theory was that if I could still get excited about what I was doing, the audience could get excited about it too, even if it wasn't quite what they expected. After all, they could always go home and play the records." [written by Joe Jackson, (c)1988 A&M Records, used w/o permission, oh well] So ... if you don't want to see KC in the HORDE and don't want to hear older material (or newer material for that matter), just stay at home & listen to the records. Darius ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 10:59:26 -0700 From: James Baumgart Subject: David Torn Due to a posting in Elephant Talk I went to the Virgin Records Megastore in San Francisco to see if I could pick up Damage. They have lots of copies of First Day, but no Damage. So, not to go away empty handed, I looked two or three sections over and picked up a copy of David Torn's Polytown (already being a huge fan of Cloud about Mercury - thanks to positive postings here). Let me just say that if there are any Elephant Talk readers out there who are NOT listening to David Torn, you are MISSING OUT big time. Polytown is fantastic, Terry Bozzio really shines, David Torn has this great way of letting everyone have their turn out front.... Jim - Jim Baumgart "In the end, there can be only one..." baumgart at starrstuff dot com URL http://www.starrstuff.com/jim.htm ------------------------------ ************************************************** REMINDER: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk *************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 11:38:04 -0700 From: James Baumgart Subject: Peak Moments of a Life My wife and I were talking about some of the peak moments of our lives. Besides the obvious birth of our daughters, it seems they were almost all about music! Especially live music. Like seeing Peter Gabriel play LA's Roxy in 1979 (I remember the band entered through the front door dressed as construction workers, shining big flashlights at everyone), seeing King Crimson play the Discipline tour (Bill Bruford's incredible show playing that little wooden box), seeing Adrian and the Psychodots play a little club here in town, and covering a whole bunch of KC material for about 100 fans who were there, and of course last year's KC show here in San Diego. When Adrian and the Bears played a club here, he held his guitar out into the crowd, and I got to play it (well, at least hammer on the strings - in all my life, there has never been a LOUDER moment - those guys must be nearly deaf!!) Looking back on everything, these are some of the finest and most memorable moments of our lives. From reading ET, I think that is true for a lot of you readers, too. Now, I've always thought that if I could make a Time Machine, I'd use it to go back to 1975 and get tickets to see Genesis play the Roxy, or maybe some real special KC shows from the early days. I'd be interested in hearing what other ETer's would have on their historical wish list. Of course, If I was doing all that to see a show, I wouldn't be sitting in the back!!!!! Don't we all believe that 200 years from now they will still be listening to KC and a few other 20th century bands who have the timeless power to really touch people's souls musically? So my point is, this summer when you are at your local KC show, take a careful look around. Who knows from when or where your neighbor may have come to see the show and to share one of the peak moments of the late 20th century with us. I also wonder, does the band have any idea that they have this power over their listeners? That they are crafting what will be remembered as, not just an evening's entertainment, but one of the best moments of our lives? I know that this is a strange posting, I think it's a little difficult to be holding front row tickets to Las Vegas and San Diego, and have to wait, wait, wait, wait for July 24 to arrive. So please forgive what I guess is all just part of my rock and roll fantasy. -Jim - Jim Baumgart "In the end, there can be only one..." baumgart at starrstuff dot com URL http://www.starrstuff.com/jim.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:10:50 -0400 From: Nel3 at aol dot com Subject: NIN equation revised I've decided that in Emory Anderson's ET#281 post, he has given us an incorrect Nine Inch Nails equation. The correct equation should be: Spam > Nine Inch Nails Thank you Emory for your early work in this field! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 96 13:04:06 PDT From: mdevon at pico dot apple dot com (Mark Devon) Lads and Lassies (I just loov Scottish idioms); I had the misfortune to grow up in the city and then later the suburbs of Detroit. We had two kinds of music then, Mo and Town. The stuff wasn't actually bad at all, in a way, especially compared with the formulatic white music of the time, but when I heard Mr. Fripp around 69-70 as a lad of thirteen, I must say that changed my perspective. Had to see 'em, of course. So, a couple years later, when I started high school, had friends with a cars, we went down to this movie theatre called the Cinderella Ballroom, 20's vintage, where King Crimson would be playing with "Black Oak Arkansas". This was the Islands incarnation, round '72 or early '73 I would guess. Like the gentleman from New Joisey (I just love the east coast accents) I also made a find. Before the show, we were wandering around outside and I spotted a bag of what appeared to be a plastic baggie of pot, wedged between a water pipe and the wall of the building. Being young and idiotic, we immediatly got some papers from one of the hippie types and fired up whatever was in the bag (probably crappy mexican pot laced with Agent Orange). Holy Toledo (a nearby town, also a shithole). Black Oak Arkansas came on first, I think. They sucked. The whole idea hinged on being the first southern rock band, I think. They emphasized this by playing on a washboard and singing songs about the hills of Arkansas, accompanied by thundering sixties style hard rock. Perhaps they pre-dated the Allman Brothers. Perhaps they DATED the Allman Brothers. Who gives a shit. I am ambivalent about southern accents and idioms. I was not familiar with the Islands record at the time, which was a shame because it later became one of my favorites. I would have loved to hear "Sailors Tale" in particular. Probably they did play it that night, since it was the "Islands" tour. I do remember being very, very impressed with the band. Subsequent King Crimson shows I attended in that era (the following year actually) included the "Larks Tounges in Aspic" tour, an equally inane billing with English hillbillies this time, an outfit called Slade (who, when they took the stage as top of the bill immediately announced "If you've come to see King Crimson, you might as well fookin' go home." We did.) KC opened with LtiA part 1 and man oh man that just tore the roof off the place. Even the knuckleheads who came to see Slade were blown away. That is one EVIL piece of music, one I would just love to hear again live. I don't know if it was the music or the fact that this was the first KC concert I had been to NOT under the influence of Agent Orange, or the fact that at the climaxes of the LTiA part 1 number they turned on these incredibly bright white spotlights at waist level, which lit up David Cross in his white suit like a flaming spectral entity. The next year was the "Starless and Bible Black tour". This time we got tickets in the 2nd or third row. Also a great show. Bruford with his gongs and sheetmetal, really having a good time. The piece "Fracture" was just unbelieveable. I remember this friend of mine raving "Fripp, you're a genius!" after the show and Fripp being all embarrassed and shaking his head and waving his hand back and forth as if to say "Puhhhllleeeeze". I was embarrassed too. Later, this incredibly beautiful Italo-American girl in our entourage was spotted by one of the bands "talent scouts" and invited backstage to meet the lads. Pimply, fevered boys in the same age group were not allowed. There ya have it. King Crimson- A part of growing up. Maybe I will someday. See ya in Berkely on the 27th, you krazy krimson dewds! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:39:36 +1200 (NZST) From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James Dignan) Subject: other places, and Trent "Gordon Emory Anderson" dreamed: >How about an ET-only Crimson concert, in the NYC region (with perhaps west >coast and European analogs) I'm sure David MacLennan (of Wellington, NZ), Jeremy Keens (of Melbourne, OZ) and I (of Dunedin, NZ), to name just three, could think of a great addition to this suggested tour... as, probably, could our South American and Japanese readers... he also said: >no one argued with the equation, Trent Reznor=SPAM sorry - I didn't notice your original comment. I was probably too busy listening to "The Downward Spiral". Sure, it's not Crimson, but it still pretty damn good! BTW... is it my imagination, or is Crimson's music slowly coming full circle? The more I listen to Sex Sleep Eat Drimk Dream, the more it keeps on reminding me of 21st Century SchM. And I, for one, would love to hear a Reznor remix of SSEDD! James (not in NYC, or on the west coast, or in Europe). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 21:33:41 -0400 From: DanKirkd at aol dot com Subject: Tour Dates and ET Web Not sure if everyone is aware, but you shouldn't have to scroung around searching for King Crimson tour dates as they're listed on the Tour Dates page at ET Web at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/gigs/kc-tourd.htm Cheers, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 21:33:31 -0400 From: DanKirkd at aol dot com Subject: Please Update Your Links to ET Web The other day I did a few Alta Vista searches to discover how many Web sites out there were pointing to ET Web. Well, there were almost 800! However, 600 of them were pointing to the old URL. If any of you have any links to ET Web you should verify that they are up to date. ET Web is found at: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ The mirror site is at: http://members.aol.com/etmirror/ We've also got a third site where you can retrieve the last ET newsletter at http://www.vantagepoint.com/ghayes/Lists/new-et.html Happy Surfing, Dan ------------------------------ ************************************************** REMINDER: Please send all posts to et at cs dot man dot ac dot uk *************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jun 96 18:55:01 EDT From: david at visix dot com (David Charlap) Subject: Re: Elephant Talk Digest #283 Subject: ET/KC Concert "Gordon Emory Anderson" writes: >> >>YES recently had 3 shows in San Loius Obispo that were intially advertised >>to YES fans. These shows have been reported by those who attended as very >>intimate productions. YES even strayed into territory that they have not >>found themselves in for 20 years. > >Cool. Imagine King Crimson in this setting. My thought was something more >involved--perhaps we could arrange the proper venue (for some reason, I'm >thinking the Garden State Arts Center), and book a bunch of nearby hotel >rooms for the out-of-towners. ... More interesting would be a convention, similar to the annual Jethro Tull conventions that happen. Typically, this is a weekend event, involving vendors selling merchandise, 2 or 3 cover bands performing for an hour or two each, things to do (like a lyrics trivia contest), and lots of time to meet with other fans. Often, people bring along guitars and flutes (this is Tull, of course) and impromptu jam sessions will break out, with lots of fans singing along. A lot of fun for a weekend. Sometimes, members of the band will attend as well. (This year, John Evan (Tull's first keyboardist) will be in attendance. -- David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 08:33:49 -0700 From: Dennis dot Montgomery at Ebay dot Sun dot COM (Dennis Montgomery) Subject: Re: KC plays Asbury Park >I always thought that was a strange double bill - King Crimson and Black >Oak Arkansas. I'm not sure who was the headliner (you would like to Another strange pairing was '74 at the SanFran Cow Palace...King Crimson opened for Ten Years After. I wasn't at the show (not having discovered Crimson till '76...Aargh!) but a friend recalled: 1) One of the mellotrons had awful problems & was mostly non-functioning. 2) When Crimson were on, you could walk right to the front of the stage (apparently passing all the dazed Ten Years After crowd). 3) For the first couple of songs, a girl sitting behind my friend kept pointing at RF asking her boyfriend, "Is that Alvin Lee" :) KingCrimson*Tull*Greenslade*Edith*Marillion*Ethos*GentleGiant*Minutemen*Zappa* * _______ *Sepultura*Queen*Beatles*Focus*Cathedral*NiademsGhost*BlackSabbatH * / \ a T | (. \ \ "I believe in the chaos of right and wrong, I believe in w h \ >\ | sound timeless and strong. I can only put my faith in k o-- > |< | Music, the only God I know." Bl'ast '89 w u / >/ | i g | (. / / Dennis Richards Montgomery:Software Engineer:Sun Microsystems i h \_______/ n t *REM*SFF*ELP*PFM*801*Eno*Yes*Eloy*12thNight*SydBarrett*SexPistols*d Industry*IQ**Anekdoten**VanDerGraaf*SadLovers&Giants*VeryOldGenesis*KateBush** ------------------------------ GIG REVIEWS ------------------------------ From: "MICHAL MALYSZKO" Organization: Warsaw School of Economics Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:48:42 EST Subject: aTTaCKed and... THRaCKed! Warsaw, 7th June 1996 Warsaw Congress Hall, 7th June 1996 aTTaCKked... and successfully THRaKked! Hello ET'ers! It's my first post to Elephant Talk and I'm not *so* good in english, so please excuse my possible mistakes. Ok, so now the main part.. It was first ever King Crimson concert in Poland and the Congress Hall in Warsaw was filled up to the last seat. The Congress Hall is a part of the highest building in Warsaw, built in the 50ties by Russians as a present. It's really monumental, so the venue fitted band perfectly. (dark-red upholstery :)) The atmosphere before concert was really fine, people talked and discussed their crimson experiences. Then the doors opened and everyone rushed inside to buy t-shirts and CD's. There was a huge choice of CD's - almost all KC includnig THRaKaTTaCK (I bought it immediately :)), RFSQ, CGT, RF's "Blessing of Tears", "Radiophonics", Tony's "World Diary", Trey's "1000 Years" and live LoG. An average age of audience was 35-40 years. But I've got to admit there were also many teenagers. The lights went out and the concert began... The California Guitar Trio played for about 40 minutes (Yamanashi Blues, Tocatta and Fugue d-moll and others). For encore they played first track from the Pulp Fiction soundtrack (can't remember the title). The reaction was good, people seemed to have liked it. Then a 15 minutes break and King Crimson entered the stage accompanied by a great, incredibly loud ovation. Some of the people in audience have been waiting 27 years for this moment! And here's the set-list: 1 The Talking Drum 2 Larks' Tongues In Aspic Part II 3 Frame By Frame 4 Dinosaur 5 One Time 6 Red 7 Soundscapes B'Boom 8 THRAK (including improvisation) 9 21 Century Schizoid Man 10 Waiting Man 11 Naurotica 12 Sheltering Sky 13 Sex Sleep Eat Drink Dream 14 Elephant Talk 15 Indiscipline Encores: 16 B'bish 17 Thela Hun Ginjeet 18 Matte Kudasai 19 VROOOM + Coda: Marine 475 Now my comments: 1) Wow, wow, wow! :) 2) being it my second KC gig (first was in Berlin, 8 May 1995), I must admit they're even better this time. Bruford seems to have much fun changing and complicating beats he plays (good example was Red and an incredible version of Indiscipline) 3)B'bish is really great After the show I and several other fans waited at one of the entrances to the Congress Hall and after an hour who should appear but two bandsman! (pun intended). Adrian and Bill came out, signed CD's and vinils and let us make a photographs with them (I got it too!), so you can imagine how happy I am. After a while they said goodbye to us and went away into a city. They stopped at the Akwarium jazz club (BTW an organiser of this gig) where while sitting by a table and drinking some beer they were constantly asked to sign more and more CD's, posters etc. Bill was particulary talkative and seemed to enjoy the situation. I didn't want to disturb them with my possibly stupid questions so I made last photo of them two sitting by a table and happily went home where I listened to a just-aquired THRaCKaTTaCK and admired two fresh autographs on it's cover... :) (thanks to Adrian and Bill, you made me really happy!) Last thing - League of Gentlemen "thrang thrang gozinbulx" is a superb recording that I strongly recomend to everyone on ET. It contains an invisible coda (once again) with... I won't tell you - it wouldn't be a suprise, would it? (those unpatient can e-mail me privately :)) Michal Malyszko mmalyszk at sgh dot waw dot pl ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #284 ********************************