Errors-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Reply-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #278 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 278 Tuesday, 28 May 1996 Today's Topics: THRaKaTTak released new member Hellboys! Hellboys! Hellboys! Re: ITCOTCK CD on Polydor Bill Bruford 'Sticks for Hire' BRUFORD's great moments with his friend TORN Bruford In GONG B. Bruford Finding the Three of a perfect pair video in Australia Improvs and live songs Re: Fripp Sister, long overdue Ian McDonald appearance; New York "giveaway" vinyl Various Things Improvisation re: greater intellectual component Re: Meridian Arts Ensemble RE: Elephant-talk digest v95 #277 Fripp on Ure's latest Thrak Attak and other random comments Fripp on Ure: addition A Bean for Pythagoras Crimsongs CGT Trivia Earthworks not on hiatus... Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 (ET) two opinions on KC KC Non-HORDE/Song requests Bruford and Genesis A funny thing happened ...... League of Gentlemen New Release Ticket for sale for the Budapest show starless an bible black Crimson radio show / new LOG CD Any questions to Levin or Bruford? Sex, Sleep, Eat, Drink, SleepAfterEating HORDE info in latest Rolling Stone Django Bates: Good Evening...Here Is The News [Fwd: the sheltering sky] Belew, horde... 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ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 May 96 15:26 BST-1 From: psmarta at cix dot compulink dot co dot uk (Peter Smart) Subject: THRaKaTTak released I picked up THRaKaTTak at lunchtime today Its a full price CD, with foldout card packaging and including a poster and a separate liner notes booklet Contains nearly an hour of improvisations taken from USA/Japan in Oct/Nov 1995. Interestingly Fripp says that one of the reasons for putting out the CD was discussions on the Elephant Talk Internet mailing list 1 THRAK 2 Fearless and Highly THRaKed :-) 3 Mother hold the candle steady while I shave the chickens lip 4 THRaKaTTak Part 1 5 The Slaughter of the Innocents 6 This Night Wounds Time 7 THRaKaTTak Part II 8 THRAK reprise I;ve had a quick listen to some of it - THRAK sounds great, but no B'boom intro unfortunately. Initial impression is that it is interesting - it shows a side of the band that a lot of us would like to hear more of on the upcoming tour ... although, personally I wouldn't be averse to one or two oldies like Schizoid Man as well ;-) In the liner notes reference is made to more Soundscapes, plus in preparation the KC archive recordings from 1969-84 and a Fripp recording The Gates of Paradise. I believe the tour starts tonight somewhere in Europe so well soon know what to expect! Pete Smart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 09:26:23 -0600 From: Randy Raymer Subject: new member Hi.This is my first post here,but I am a long time fan of Mr.Fripp and company.I saw them last year here in Denver for the first time,and it was an amazing experience.One thing that I think about periodically is bands that I never got to see live that I wish I could have.Gentle Giant and the original Genesis with Peter Gabriel would fall under this,and certainly the original Crimson would,too.I've read lots of accounts of those concerts,and I really wish I could have been there.Anyway,it's nice to be here,and I look forward to reading the comments of other fans. Randy *--------------------------------- Statistics show that one out of every four people is mentally ill.Check out three of your friends.If they are ok,you're the one. *--------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: aprasad at ccs dot carleton dot ca (Anil Prasad) Subject: Hellboys! Hellboys! Hellboys! Date: Fri, 17 May 96 17:15:52 EDT Hey Crafties and Crimsonfolk, I'd like to get a copy of the Hellboys tape distributed at select Guitar Craft courses and/or Crafties performances a few years ago. Bill Forth describes it as the "Crafty version of punk". That in itself makes this a must-hear for me! Sadly, aliens abducted and melted all of Bill's copies of the tape, so if anyone has a copy, PLEASE get in touch with me. Thanks, ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ Anil Prasad aprasad at ccs dot carleton dot ca ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ The INNERVIEWS webzine has expanded! It's your ticket to exclusive, in-depth and _illustrated_ interviews with some of the world's most interesting and innovative musicians! http://www.carleton.ca/~aprasad/ (Netscape enhanced) New! Iain Ballamy, John Gorka, Mick Karn, Lonely Universe & David Torn Coming Soon: Alain Caron, Michel Cusson, Fish, Bill Forth, Rory Gallagher Tony Levin, Andy Rinehart, Tempest, Kit Watkins & Victor Wooten ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 23:46:35 +0100 From: rolando at system dot abacom dot it (Rolando Michelazzi) Subject: Re: ITCOTCK CD on Polydor On Sun, 5 May 1996, Robert A. Bartz" wrote: >The copy of ITCOTCK was released by Polydor(!), out of West Germany. >The copy of Discipline was on Warner Brothers, I believe made in the >US. So, were these the original releases before Fripp and Tony Arnold >remastered(or disastered, depending which one) them? I'm curious >since I never heard about these versions of the CDs before. I had the Polydor CD version of ITCOTCK and I think it was the first CD pressing of that album, not only, but perhaps it was the first rock album ante-1970 released on CD in Europe. I sold out that CD after purchasing the box set "Definitive Edition 1989". Ciao. Rolando. ------------------------------ From: andrew Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 20:37:33 +0000 Subject: Bill Bruford 'Sticks for Hire' Hello first post to ET. Someone asked what other records Bill had played on. Here's a few I have in my collection:- Annette Peacock 'X-Dreams' Bill plays along side Mick Ronson and Chris Spedding. Note Annette Peacock appears on 'Feels Good to Me'. Released 1978. A neglected masterpiece. Annette Peacock 'Been in the Streets Too Long' Bills plays on the track So Hard, It Hurts'. Recorded 1975. Released 1983. Roy Harper 'HQ' Another gem. Bill was in Roy Harper's touring band circa 1975. Jamaaladeen Tacuma 'Renaissance Man' Released 1984. Includes Vernon Reid and Ornette Coleman. Also, Bill had brief stints with Genesis, Pavlov's Dog and National Health. Hope this is of interest - Andy. ------------------------------ From: max dot bracco at iol dot it Date: Sat, 18 May 96 23:16:53 Subject: BRUFORD's great moments with his friend TORN Hi to all KC and Bruford fans. Apart the killing drumming in KC and his terrific solo albums, one of Bruford's best performances ever is in DAVID TORN : "Cloud about mercury" (ECM). There he is paired with Tony Levin's Stick , plays genially the Midi Chordal drums, and Torn's compositions are really dangerous ! TORN is an incredible guitarist, deep in the Frippian heritage but with a madness that his master refuses to let loose. Trumpet player Mark Isham adds a touch of Miles Davis to the electric magma. Imagine Lark Tongues line-up, with trumpet instead of violin, but with a Nineties taste. (Recorded in 86 but with a futuristic view) Definitely a great album every KC fan should try. Bruford is featured also in Torn's "Door X" (only on four tracks). Music is less innovative and burning than on previous album, but carries odd ryhtms and lion-roaring guitar.The peculiar curisosity is hearing Bill play a cold-hearted version of Hendrix's "Vodoo chile". And if you wanna more adventurous stuff, look for TORN's "Tripping over God" , a truly mindwarp overdubbed solo album with plenty imagination, psychedelia, distorsion and exotic taste. Also "Polytown" in trio with Mick Karn and Terry Bozzio (who years ago succeded to Bruford in UK) has lots of connections with the RED era. Another Bruford collaboration is on two CDs by the japanese guitarist KAZUMI WATANABE "The spice of life" and "The spice of life too" (not two, it's really spelled TOO) both on Gramavision Records. Those are trios and quartets with bassist Jeff Berlin (former of Bruford Group on the first 3 records with Holdsworth and Dave Stewart). Watanabe's music is definitely rock-fusion, with a bit of Oriental weirdness. The first album is certainly better than the latter, but Bruford doesn't plays at his best. Wish you a good listening full of thrills MAX from Italy. ------------------------------ From: leslabb at prolog dot net Date: Fri, 17 May 96 20:31:06 -0500 Subject: Bruford In GONG In ET 276 Tomas Wanted To Know: TH> Isn't amazing how the progressive rock community interbreeds? TH> Anyone know which Gong album Bruford was on - if any? Tomas; Being a GONG fanatic I previously searched everywhere, high and low, for every GONG recording I could get my hands on. As of this date, although I have a good majority of them, I do not own them all. According to Mr. Bruford, as quoted to me during a drum clinic several years ago, there are no legitimate recordings available of his stint with GONG. However I am hoping that there are some bootlegs around. Anyone heard of any? Les Labbauf Email: leslabb at postoffice dot ptd dot net There is a fun and easy to use fixpack for WIN95, it's called OS/2 Warp PotHead Pixies Unite:http://prog.ari.net/prog/Bands/Gongwyatt/gonghome The Banana Moon Observatory: http://www.colloquium.co.uk/www/gong/banana-moon-observatory.html ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 96 00:17:53 EDT From: "Robert C. Parducci" <76206 dot 3036 at CompuServe dot COM> Subject: B. Bruford >From ET #276: >What other albums has he contributed to (beside Chris Squire's >"Fish out of Water" and Wakeman's "Six Wives of Henry VIII")? >I'm curious. > >Tomas >From Notes from the Edge: The YES & Related Discography, Compiled by Mike Borella BILL BRUFORD 1968-72 Yes 1972-74 King Crimson 1974-77 Various guest appearances, including: Genesis, Gong, Hatfield and the North 1977-81 Bruford 1977-78 UK 1981-84 King Crimson 1983-85 Moraz-Bruford 1986-91 Earthworks 1989-90 ABWH 1991- Yes GUEST APPEARANCES Genesis - Seconds Out "Cinema Show" Genesis - Three Sides Live "It; Watcher of the Skies" Roy Harper - HQ Annette Peacock - X Dreams Al Dimeola - Scenario "Calliope" Steve Howe - Beginnings "Pleasure Stole The Night; Break Away From It All" Steve Howe - The Steve Howe Album "All's a Chord" Akira Inoue - Tokyo Installation National Health - Complete The New Percussion Group of Amsterdam - Go Between Chris Squire - Fish Out Of Water Jamaaladeen Tacuma - Renaissance Man "Sparkle" David Torn - Cloud About Mercury David Torn - Door X Rick Wakeman - The Six Wives of Henry VIII "Catherine of Aragon; Anne Boleyn" Kazumi Watanabe - The Spice of Life Kazumi Watanabe - The Spice of Life Too Dave Stewart and Barbara Gaskin - Up From The Dark "(I Know) I'm Losing You" I would like to also include the following: Steve Howe - Turbulence Patrick Moraz - Time Code "Life in the Underworld" Roches - Keep On Doing Various Artists - Burning for Buddy: A Tribute to The Music of Buddy Rich "Lingo" If _anyone_ knows about Akira Inoue's "Tokyo Installation" and Bill's involvement, please share this info. I don't remember that Bill recorded with National Health, although the liner notes for "D.S. al Coda" indicate his participation on live dates. I've seen Bill perform a number of times at the Bottom Line in NYC. One Earthworks performance I attended was video-taped for Japanese television. Does anyone know if this is available? My recommendation for a triple trio: Current KC line-up: Double trio Roches: Vocal trio Robert C. Parducci 76206 dot 3036 at compuserve dot com <>We got heads <>We got brains <>We got blood running through our veins -T. Jones <> <>LEGEND: In Our Own Time <>http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rcp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 16:55:43 +1200 From: Eddie Trimarchi Subject: Finding the Three of a perfect pair video in Australia I have been trying to get hold of an Australian (PAL) format copy of the 'Three of a perfect pair' video for years. Does anybody have any information on tracking it down? While we're at, how about 'The Noise' video as well. Thanks >Hmmm... sorry, not a clue. However, it could be worth your while to post >your query to the ET newsletter. Just send Toby your posting. Good luck! Thanks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eddie Trimarchi http://www.onthenet.com.au/~eddiet eddiet at onthenet dot com dot au ------------------------------ Date: 96-05-19 10:54:38 EDT From: Warren at cafenet dot co dot uk (Warren) All Talkers are invited to join a lively debate currently prevailing at international mail-order magazine 'PROGRESS'. The question: Is KING CRIMSON music "progressive" or "art rock", the latter being a preferred term of the talented Mr. Fripp! Some people feel CRIMSON music is "truly progressive"...others fail to understand why the maestro should shy away from the label "Progressive". In Britain, ever since Punk happened in '76, the media have largely been too timid to enthuse publicly about music that is progressive. The reality is very different! Some of us have, for 12 years been gently coaxing national & regional radio presenters & producers to air more so-called progressive music, & newsagent-stocked magazines to publish more reviews (fair ones!) It has become apparent many media folk are now happily coming out of the closet - they enjoy complex music, thought-provoking lyrics, art-rock, progressive rock, whatever label unfortunately must be given as a "reference point" to encourage the public to buy the CDs, go to the gigs, & otherwise support the musicians. What do you think? The most interesting comments will be published in 'PROGRESS' magazine, as well as being shared on the well organised ELEPHANT TALK facility! THE PROGRESSIVE SOCIETY (Tiz Hay & Marco Del Corno) progsoc at guildford dot cafenet dot co dot uk P.O. Box 310, Guildford, Surrey GU2 5WH, England ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 19:07:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremy P Lakatos Subject: Improvs and live songs I would hesitate to ask for more free improvs from KC and the Coconuts. Almost every one of their improvs I have heard (on ItCotCK, SABB, TGD, Red, and ToaPP) has bored me to tears. Now I LOVE improv. It can be very exciting. On Return to Forever's live album, the first and last songs of the first disk are 30 minute extensions of songs that are about five minutes long originally. And they're interesting. But I think improvs have to have some sort of structure, just like composed pieces, to be interesting. Maybe I'm a structure freak. But I like Jazz improvs because they have something holding them together, even if it's just a repeating bass line. Dream Theater's "Bombay Vindaloo" is a pretty free improv, but I'm sure before it started someone said, "Okay, let's do it this way." On the other hand, Phish's "Tweezer" jam on their live disk becomes a bit boring several minutes after they break completely away from the themes of the original song. So I'd love to see Crimson improv within the confines of the song, greatly expanding the song in the process. But keep the idle meandering in the rehearsal. Anyway, songs I'd like to see: Lizard (yeah, I wish); Larks Tongues I; Easy Money (it's just so much fun); Starless (perfect place for almost idle but not quite idle meandering); Neal and Jack and Me; and let's throw in some weirdies like Gone to Earth; Lark's Thrak (rather than new Thrak); Kan-non Power; and of course, to shut everybody up, Freebird (percussion only version). jeremy <*> afn39111 at afn dot org Ben Tucker: "In capitalism, man exploits man. In socialism, it's exactly the opposite." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 02:45:09 -0400 From: PFripp at aol dot com Subject: Re: Fripp Sister, long overdue Hello, or Hullo in English. Here are some things you might like to post for the Fripp Brother fans. Robert is 1 year, 1 month, 2 days 12 1/2 hours younger than his sister Patricia. On May 16, his wedding anniversary, 1996 Robert was 50. To celebrate with his sister the weekend before, in Nashville, they went to 4 movies. The movies were "Primal Fear", (the best), "Twister", they loved it, "The Quest", Claude Van Damme, one of their favourite actors , "Barbed Wire", this could only be enjoyed together. Hope they might enjoy these. Patricia Fripp, the sister. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 07:20:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Gerry Yurchison Subject: Ian McDonald appearance; New York Caught a local music show at Five Town Colleges; the 4th annual Americal Classic Guitar Show. Show featured a Sat nite guitar jam, with appearances by Steve Howe (Yes) and Ian McDonald (King Crimson) on the bill. Ian's performance was limited to about 2 songs, with what appeared to be miminal exposure......was there a lack of practice, impromtu performance, just a show for the money? don't really know, but for someone who's name is headlined on the bill, he did not shine well. Now, regarding Steve Howe...AmAzInG!!!!! Did some of his own compositions as well as Yes Songs....parts of Ritual, America, etc. Regards, Gerryy ------------------------------ From: George Wiles/G33 Subject: "giveaway" vinyl Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 08:18:38 -0400 I'm dissolving my vinyl collection and am looking for a good home for twenty-odd Crimson half speeds, Fripp solo and misc (Hall Sacred Songs, Scary Monsters etc) $40 US plus postage takes the whole lot. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 12:14:36 -0400 From: "Gordon Emory Anderson" Subject: Various Things First of all, Trent Reznor = SPAM, despite the fact he's covered some of my favorite stuff from the 70s. Second of all, I too believe that King Crimson could do much more along the lines of improvisation. I still wish they would do "Sheltering Sky", just so i could hear Fripp solo. I still maintain that on the "Indisciple" bootleg, one can hear diety in Fripp's solo, right towards the end there with the high notes. Greatful Dead? I keep listening for some signs of improvisational genius, as is claimed, but I still find them lacking. But then again, I am also a big jazz fan, so it may be unfair for me to try to listen to GD after years of listening to Coltrane. I'll keep my ears open, however. Gold CDs? As I said before, if the whole production line has been done carefully, the gold can make a difference to a trained ear. As for the argument that "bits is bits": hogwash. CD playback is much more of an analog prcess than most would suspect. Let it suffice it to say, not only does Gold have a higher reflectivity than aluminum (perhaps offering a decreased Bit Error Rate), it has very different surface properties. It may follow, then, that a potentially smoother gold surface preserves any coherent properties of the incident laser radiation. The optical block of the CD player is basically a confocal microscope, so one would think coherence important here. Finally, although I am excited about Thrak Attack, and will almost certainly buy it, the voices of those who point out we now already have several recordings of Thrak available will continue to nibble at my ear.......I hope it is worth it. In retrospect, I see little reason to buy Vroom if one has already purchased Thrak. -Emory. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:29:01 -0700 From: rexj at ix dot netcom dot com (Rex Jackson) Subject: Improvisation Ray Dittmeier wrote: >The thing is, these are two vastly different bands. Their audiences >bring different expectations to the concerts and judge the music by >different standards. The same goes for a typical jazz audience, if >there is such an animal. > >One thing that increases the degree of difficulty for KC is that their >music has a greater intellectual component. This doesn't make it >better or worse. Just different. Intellectual component or not, they could still throw solos at each other. Most of the improvisation within the Dead was no more involved than the common Jazz practice of trading solos until someone signaled that it was time to return to the next dominant theme. Song transitions were another component, but that shouldn't be much of a problem for our boys. When trading solos past the final verse of a song I'm sure they all know how to insinuate a transition through either rhythmic or harmonic modulation. I think the audiences would appreciate the vitality that would come with the removal of the set list and the freedom of improvisation. I know I would. Deadheads were a singular phenomenon, but the people who would follow KC around if the magic of the completely unexpected was always in the air would be a pretty interesting caravan, too. -- "Sanity is a one-trick pony. When you're sane you only have one trick - Rational Thought. But with insanity, the sky's the limit!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:34:40 -0700 From: ca dot qc at bdi dot hcc dot com (CA QC) Subject: re: greater intellectual component Gimme a break--who cares if KC has a "greater intellectual component" than say the Grateful Dead? What you often get is pretension and WAY TOO MANY RULES--rules for the listener/audience/musicians. --Thomas B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:32:42 -0400 (EDT) From: murkie Subject: Re: Meridian Arts Ensemble Just my two cents: Check theese guys out! I was lucky enough to spend a day recording them and they are outstanding musicians! I haven't heard their crimso covers but their zappa arangements are a lot of fun. murkie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 96 15:47:04 EDT From: "MODERN ANGEL O:)" Subject: RE: Elephant-talk digest v95 #277 A few random things/questions: First off, I think both Moraz/Bruford cd's are out of print. Spike mentioned a rather extensive list of Bates/Ballamy projects in conjunction with his posting on Earthworks, but left off two projects: Loose Tubes, whose CD "Open Letter" is still in print in the States on Editions EG; and Human Chain, whose CD "Cashin' In" is probably out of print, but worth a listen if you can find it. I'm glad I'm not the only one vaguely disappointed in the prospect/concept of "Thrak Attack". I'd hope this KC has at least one more CD of _written_ material to offer... though I enjoy the improvs, I agree with those posters who assert that the band's best material was that which was either written in advance, or which owed its genesis to earlier work (though I'd admit that the improvs, notably "Asbury Park", have much to recommend them at times). Does anyone know if the band is planning to do another album of written material? My votes for old-songs-to-be-resurrected: I think Adrian could do an interest- ing "Starless", and I wouldn't mind seeing "Fracture", but in a form similar to the short form of "LTIA II" that appears on "Great Deceiver"... if you listen to the last 3.35 or so of the song, I think that would have the most impact, though the first parts would leave plenty of room for improv. Also wouldn't mind seeing "Satori In Tangiers" played by the double-trio. The only song I would _not_ want to see the current KC do would be "The Sheltering Sky", which I think would get too cluttered too easily. That's all out of me. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:18:34 +0100 From: Ron Chrisley Organization: COGS, University of Sussex Subject: Fripp on Ure's latest > From ron at ida dot his dot se Mon May 13 06:58:51 1996 > Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 17:53:18 +0200 > From: Ron Chrisley > Organization: Guest researcher, University of Skvvde > Subject: Fripp is having a laugh? > > I sometimes think that Fripp carries his irony to pleasant extremes. > For instance, he hates live releases, so the ones he does release have extra > bits added on, silences, multiple versions of pieces, cut out in the > middle, etc. as if he is laughing at the people who want such things. > > This is starting to be the case with his "guest" apperances, which now, > I gather, typically involve him sending some soundscapes to someone who > mixes them in with a pre-existing track and -- voila! -- instant liner note > credibility for the artist using Fripp's name, without having to go > through all the bother of actually *collaborating* with the man. > Add 2 soundscape contributiuons to the list: Fripp appears on Midge Ure's latest album, Breathe, on the tracks "Guns and Arrows" and "The Maker". -- Ron Chrisley (ronc at cogs dot susx dot ac dot uk) http://www.cogs.susx.ac.uk/users/ronc/index.html Chill. Serve. Enjoy. Repeat. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 14:42:06 -0700 From: rpeck at pure dot com (Ray Peck) Subject: Thrak Attak and other random comments >I don't know that I would go this far, but I do admit to being less than >enthused about THRaK aTTaK. I'm frankly very surprised by comments like these. I for one am *very* excited about a double-improv disk. IMO, the improvs were the most exciting parts of the 5 shows I saw. Well, maybe except for Red and LTiAII. . . >So we're being actively encouraged to suggest tracks for the tour? Well >i must join the bandwagon of people calling, obviously, for MORE IMPROV. Hear, hear! >Might anyone know if the forthcoming Thrak live tour video will be made >available on video laserdisc? I find it quite sad that the live RFSQ >video hasn't made it to disc, and hope the Thrak video isn't sentenced to >the same sad VHS-only fate. Hear, hear! > In the meantime, I notice that Robert has also been playing with >Future Sound Of London and plastering Soundscapes all over the new album by >The Beloved, "X". What with this and the No-Man work, what do people make >of all of these Frippy collaborations with younger artists? Well, some are pretty minimal (little bits on The Grid's 456), but I must say that I quite like Flowermix, and love FFWD. With so many of these bands strip-mining No Pussyfooting and Evening Star, it's great to see Robert assert his place. > Sylvian and Fripp. "Damage" is immeasurably superior to "The First >Day", which to my ears was interesting but unlovable--Fripp aridity meets >Sylvian droning. Damage is *wonderful*, but I prefer the A New Dream boot. I recently got the Laserdisc, and haven't had time to listen/watch it yet, but I understand that A New Dream has a couple tracks that didn't make it to the video release. > I've heard rumours that the Sylvian/Fripp partnership has now been >permanently severed! Apparently an ambient duo album was recorded for >release, but foundered when Sylvian got on his high horse and demanded lots >of money from Fripp for the privilege of being allowed to work with >him. Wow, I hope this isn't true. It seems rather unbelievable, even given the Rain Tree Crow thing. . . > Overall, the Double Trio is a very powerful band, but one that all >too often refuses to fulfil its huge potential. They're coasting too much, I agree here. While I'll continue going to see every show, picking up every release and shirt and button, and trading for every tape that I can, overall I'm rather disappointed. IMO, the new KC material doesn't break much new ground, certainly not in the ways that the 73-74 band, the Discipline band, or any of Fripp's solo stuff has. I wonder if the large band is simply so unwieldy that more time was spend just getting everything to hold together than in stretching boundaries. I also think that the leaden drumming of Mastelloto has a lot to do with it. Plodding is the appropriate word. It was quite painful to experience, during the Berkeley Sylvian/Fripp show. . . > But...it's two years on now--time to stop coasting and really >stretch out. One thing's inescapable--for the first time ever with a new >line-up, King Crimson are not on the cutting edge. And they should be. Agreed. >And then, [Bruford] and Mr Levin are on David Torn's "Cloud About Mercury". He >also played for Genesis for a short time, filling in during a tour. I >don't know if any of that made it to disk or not. Yes, on Seconds Out. There's also a video of that tour (OOP, I think). Don't forget the two amazing Bruford/Moraz disks, "Music for Piano and Drums" and "Flags". >He does not play on any album, I'm afraid. There just exists some tapes >recorded during concerts. He is supposed to have played with GONG in -74 >in France, but I know that he also played one concert in Norway, and I >believe this was in -75. Somewhere I have a tape of a Gong show with Bill. Unfortunately, I remember it as being rather terrible-sounding. Another guest spot was a couple tracks with National Health (with Dave Stewart of Bruford and Stewart/Gaskin and other fame). >Good points, except that I think the Dead proved only that the Dead >could improvise every night for 3000 shows and not alienate Deadheads. W're also talking about a rather different kind of improv here. The Dead did not do "free improv", they did "jamming". It's a quite bit easier to do the latter than the former. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 23:34:23 +0100 From: Ron Chrisley Organization: COGS, University of Sussex Subject: Fripp on Ure: addition Actually, now that I have bothered to actually *listen* to the Ure CD, I can say that Fripp definitely did more than send a pre-packaged soundscape ADAT to Ure; at the end of Guns and Arrows he actually solos relevantly. Fripp only contributes soundscapes to the last 40 seconds or so of The Maker, however. -- Ron Chrisley (ronc at cogs dot susx dot ac dot uk) http://www.cogs.susx.ac.uk/users/ronc/index.html Chill. Serve. Enjoy. Repeat. ------------------------------ Date: 21 May 96 00:26:41 EDT From: Tom Law <70413 dot 1256 at CompuServe dot COM> Subject: A Bean for Pythagoras to:INTERNET:toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Man, do I feel stupid. In my recent incredible offer... > I would like to offer my fellow ETers a chance to hear my own CD, _A >Bean for Pythagoras_, created with help of my friend Steve Silverstein. > There's nothing GC-related, no guitar at all in fact (except some sampled >electric), but it was made by someone (me) who is very inspired by our man >Fripp. It's all electronic (keyboard/computer/woodwind controller; >samples and synth) with some live soprano sax on a few cuts. I personally >think it's pretty good. > Anyway, if anybody is interested, please send me an interesting >postcard stating such, and I'll send you my CD. If you like it, you can >then send me $10, or something that you consider of equal value. If you >DON'T like it, pass the CD on to someone who might. It's a BOLD NEW >CONCEPT IN MARKETING. >And, I'll at least get some interesting postcards! (I got the idea from a >friend of mine who sells Moon Calendars.) > I particularly encourage those of you from Foreign Lands to write. I left off the address! Send your snazzy (snail-mail, please!) postcards to: Tom Law 136 Brookdale Circle Lexington SC 29072 USA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 01:52:28 -0700 From: ajbas at sirius dot com (Andrew Benzie) Subject: Crimsongs Elephanteers (and Mr. Fripp?), When I jam along with KC at home (I'm a bass player), my all time favorites are: (All from _The Great Deceiver_) Lament Exiles Easy Money The Night Watch When I heard this latest incarnation of Crimso perform _Red_ live here in Berkeley, I was truly blown away, I will never forget it. To hear this powerful band play one of these favorites during the upcoming tour would be a real joy. But the ultimate experience must surely be to witness _Starless_ performed live, the most incredible piece of music I've ever experienced. I wonder what Mr. Fripp thinks about the current group of musicians tackling this marvelous piece? I can understand feelings that it should "Rest In Peace," but the other side of the coin is that NO other band could ever play this song other that King Crimson. And this might be our last chance . . . aB ======================================================"We lay cards upon the table, The backs of our hands, And I swear I like your people, The boys in the band." -- Richard Palmer-James ====================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 12:55:39 +0100 From: Russell Whitworth Subject: CGT Trivia Just looking at my two California Guitar Trio CDs, I'm curious about a couple of things: 1. "Invitation" includes special thanks to Murray and Marcia Gell-Man (amongst others). Can anyone tell me what the thanks are for? For those that might not have heard of him, Murray Gell-Man is a Nobel prize-winning physicist, most popularly known for discovering and naming the quark. The credit jumped out at me, because coincidentally I happen to be reading Gell-Man's book "The Quark and the Jaguar" at the moment (and no, he doesn't mention CGT in it). 2. "Yamanashi Blues" appears to have no copyright notice whatsoever. Not for the music, not for the cover. It doesn't even mention a record company - just the catalogue number of DR 9301 2, which doesn't mean anything to me (except that it doesn't appear to be DGM). No year is mentioned either - when did this album appear? Considering the wonderful DGM copyright wording that normally adorns KC and CGT albums, this seems curious. My understanding of UK law is that it is not essential to include a copyright notice for copyright to apply; but I don't know about other countries. Whatever, it seems a weird thing to leave off and I've never seen any other non-copyright CD. Looking forward to seeing CGT and King Crimson on June 30th... -- Russell Whitworth ------------------------------ From: aprasad at ccs dot carleton dot ca (Anil Prasad) Subject: Earthworks not on hiatus... Date: Tue, 21 May 96 9:23:53 EDT Someone mentioned in the last ET digest that Bruford's Earthworks was on hiatus. Sadly, this isn't the case. Both Django Bates and Iain Ballamy have confirmed that the group has ceased to exist. It's kinda funny though. During an interview I did with Bruford a few years ago, he mentioned that most of his bands operate in 3-4 album cycles before breaking up. That certainly held true for Earthworks. ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ Anil Prasad aprasad at ccs dot carleton dot ca ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ ------------------------------ Date: 21 May 1996 11:11:49 -0700 From: "Tim Salmon" Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 Reply to: RE>Elephant-talk digest v95 #277 ARTICULATE ANNOUNCEMENTS: From: Tim_Salmon at quickmail dot ucsf dot edu (Tim Salmon) 1. **Found in ET: Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 18:17:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Sullivan Subject: Exiles credits Crimheads: some ttime ago I read an interview where Fripp spoke admiringly of John Wetton's compositional skills in the 70's lineup, making particular mention of his work on "Exiles'. Cn anyone confirm this, provide the citation, and maybe the quote? Thanks. **Nothing to add here directly, but way back when--in Discipline(d) days--I saw Mr. Fripp in a very small church in Greenwich Village, NYC. He was presenting a Frippertronics demonstration (w/the black Les Paul!), & it was the height of Asia's popularity. His interaction with the crowd was quite extraordinary, beginning with his tanktop-n-Levis, gunny-sack stroll passed the assembled CrimHeads on line outside (all 30 of them!), and culminating with a lengthy (and EXTREMELY detailed) description to a local mid-40ish housewife of the process by which he created the sounds emanating from his assembled gear! During the Q&A he fielded one about John Wetton and his latest project. Always the diplomat, RF said that "John is doing what he always wanted to do -- write pop songs..." -- TS 2. **ALSO FOUND: From: andyw at informix dot com (Andrew Wallace) Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #276 Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:59:44 -0700 (PDT) > What other albums has he (Bruford) contributed to (beside Chris > Squire's E"Fish out of Water" and Wakeman's "Six Wives of Henry > VIII")? I'm curious. Well, there were a few albums by a small group called "Yes" ! 8-)... And then, he and Mr Levin are on David Torn's "Cloud About Mercury". He also played for Genesis for a short time, filling in during a tour. I don't know if any of that made it to disk or not. andy Wallace ***BB PLAYS ON ONE TRACK -- "CINEMA SHOW" -- DUAL DRUMMING (!) WITH MR. COLLINS ON THE LIVE GENESIS RELEASE "SECONDS OUT." -- TS 3.**AND ALSO FOUND: Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 06:46:46 -0700 From: TIM SMITH Organization: US Naval Hospital Rota, Spain Subject: Peter Sinfield & RF's Seperation Long I have wondered why Peter Sinfield departed after KC's 4th release. I am aware Peter released Still in 72' and Stillusions in 94/5'. I am also ware of his collaborations with other Productions and alike early in the 70's. My question(s) is where has he been and what has he been doing, along with the origional question...why the departure. Thanks **PETER SINFIELD HELPED OUT WITH SOME WRITING ON CHRIS SQUIRE'S "FISH OUT OF WATER" BACK IN '75, AS WELL AS, I BELIEVE, HELPING CHRIS AGAIN ON THE "UNION" CD BY YES JUST A FEW YEARS BACK. -- TS *-------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 18:20:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "j.p.lewis" Subject: (ET) two opinions on KC - The recent KC has been doing interesting stuff, but I somehow feel that, given the talents of the people involved, they could be more interesting still. Wish they would do something really odd, like make a dance album, or an all electronic album or something. - On Thrak attack and recycled material: it was said on ET that RF had a legal dispute with his former record company, and I vaguely recall reading that he was not receiving income from the sales of KC albums (partial cause of the dispute?). I interpret the some of the recent releases as (in part) just an attempt to make some money... and I do not mind supporting favorite musicians by purchasing these albums. I might think differently if RF &co. were very wealthy already and if the albums were poor. The contents of Vroom,Bboom,ThrackATtack were/are known to us as interpretions of the material on Thrak (didn't Vroom have some sticker or something saying it was a pre-album EP?), and we can make our purchase decision accordingly. I assume (and hope) that these secondary albums do not take much effort and hence are not using time that could be spent composing new material. Personally I was very glad to get Bboom, though I'll be happier still to see new stuff. j.p.lewis interval research ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 00:49:51 -0400 From: MarkDAshby at aol dot com Subject: KC Non-HORDE/Song requests I was so glad to hear that KC would be playing the Merriweather Pavillion on 8/25, since it's only about 10 miles from my apartment! Anyone know when tickets go on sale for that one? Private e-mail will suffice, if so. As for old songs on the next tour, I concur with those who would like to hear "Fracture." The double trio could breathe some new life into that one, I believe. And Belew wouldn't have to sing somebody else's words, either. But, should he lighten up on that end, "One More Red Nightmare" would be great (but a big shot in the dark), as would "Easy Money." I could also go for some "Sartori in Tangier," "Industry," and "Discipline." We're never gonna get Schizoid. And to be honest, I'm glad. Somehow I don't think it would sound right with this bunch. Could be just a big disappointment. Already looking forward to August ... -MDA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 00:31:48 -0600 (CST) From: earthbound starblind Subject: Bruford and Genesis I don't want to start a huge thread that's barely related to KC, but I thought I'd elaborate on Bill's short stint with Genesis mentioned in the last ET, being a huge fan of both Genesis (with the obligatory "OLD" disclaimer) and Bill. andym at informix dot com wrote: >[Bruford] also played for Genesis for a short time, filling in during a tour. I >don't know if any of these performances made it to disc or not. Most ETers are probably already aware that Bill took the throne during the band's 1975-76 tour following Gabriel's departure. This is before Phil Collins enlisted Chester Thompson to help with drums while Collins played frontman. The only official recorded evidence is "Cinema Show" on the live _Seconds Out_ and, on the UK release of _Three Sides Live_, on "Watcher Of The Skies/It". There's also a videotape floating around of a concert from that era with Bruford on drums for the whole show. In my opinion, Genesis was at its most powerful in terms of live performance when Bruford was on the drums. ------------------------------ From: dominik at rekonix dot cz Date: Mon, 20 May 96 9:56:46 VEC hello friends, I'm new on this list and I wish to offer to anyone on the list double CD of SYLVIAN/FRIPP Live show in Tokyo 26.X.1993 for trade. The sound is exquisitely good (soundboard) manufacturing is in Italy. I'm looking for double CD-EP Jean the Birdman. Could someone help me complete my collection? Dominic Vivaldo ------------------------------ From: Elsen Martin Subject: A funny thing happened ...... Date: Wed, 22 May 96 14:42:00 PDT ..... Walking home late from the pub the other night, I was strolling past our local MVC (music and video club) in Watford where I live, when my eyes were blessed with the following CDs sitting amongst the MARKDOWN section....... King Crimson In the Court of the Crimson King ?6.79 ! ! ! and an ENO/BYRNE album whose name happens to escape me at the moment....... also at ?6.79 ! ! ! I thought that I would share this information with you all...... Adios amoebas Martin Elsen. Watford UK PS Looking forward to KC @ Shepherds Bush June 1996 .......! ! ! ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 96 16:47:04 EDT From: Barrie Sillars <100763 dot 1142 at CompuServe dot COM> Subject: League of Gentlemen New Release The League of Gentlemen Official Bootleg CD "thrang thrang gozinbulx" has just been released on DGM. It is everything the studio album wasn't. Although the material on the studio album was fine, it sounded too restrained, with the edge taken off by Fripp's use of samples from J.G. Bennett and other sources. The new album showcases the band as having been a highly propulsive unit. Fripp is much in evidence of course, but it is Sara Lee who drives the whole thing along with her very supple bass playing. She and Johnny Toobad solidly set down the groove for Fripp and Barry Andrews to weave through. The CD was compiled by David Singleton who comments in the booklet that the material was originally recorded on cassette and hence the sound quality was often appalling. It may not have the sonic range of B'BOOM, but the sound is far better than could therefore have been expected considering the source. So all credit to Singleton. The material vastly benefits from the raw live sound, which this band were designed for. Plenty of audience noise is present, but this justs adds to the overall dance party atmosphere. It is so refreshing to hear Fripp within part of such a frenetic, fun ensemble. He sounds really playful throughout. Fripp has of course dabbled with the final results. After about five minutes of silence near the end of the disc, there is a forty second sample of Fripp declaring to the audience his wish to party and that this is a dance band. How true indeed. Could he say the same about his principal outfit. Barrie. ps. It has been a good month for releases by guitarists. Recommeded are discs by David Torn:"What Means Solid, Traveller?, Bill Nelson:"After the Satellite Sings" and The Durutti Column:"Fidelity". Good listening. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:50:46 +0200 From: "Riesz, Ferenc" Subject: Ticket for sale for the Budapest show I've got one surplus ticket for the Budapest KC gig (7 p.m., 19 June). 2200 Hungarian forints (about 15 USD). Please contact me privately if you are interested. I will be away for a while, and can read my mail only after 3 June. RF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 15:55:17 +1200 (NZST) From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James Dignan) Subject: starless an bible black To whoever asked which poet and poem "Starless and Bible Black" came from, it is from the Welsh poet Dylan Thomas, one of this century's greatest alcoholics, and also one of this century's greatest poets (IMHO). It does not, however, come from a poem, but rather from the opening few lines of his radio play "Under Milk Wood", which begins: "To begin at the beginning: it is spring moonless night in the small town, starless and bible black, the cobbled streets silent and..." so on. James ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 06:59:43 -0400 From: colin smith <106050 dot 2211 at compuserve dot com> Subject: Crimson radio show / new LOG CD I'm presenting two one hour programmes on a Community Radio station called NETWORK which will be broadcasting throughout July. It will be on the FM band and I'll post the frequency when we have it. Sadly, you only be able to hear it if you livein the live in the North East of England and more specifically in the North Tyneside area of Newcastle on Tyne. I'd like to hear from and ET subscribers who live in the Newcastle area who might be interested in either a) collaborating on the content or b) helping to present it. Each show will last an hour and I'd envisage the first one acting as a short history. The second programme, which is also an hour in length will focus on some of Fripp's wider activities and collaborations. Both will be broadcast pre-recorded so don't worry about whether or not your a budding Tony Blackburn or Howard Stern. I'd also be interested in hearing from ET subscribers from any part of the globe, who would like to nominate their all time Crimson favourite - with a view to playing an internet top ten on the second show. I know choosing one piece from a catalogue that spans over 25 years seems a bit of a tall order but please have a go and get involved. I'll publish the results in a later edition of ET. On a seperate note altogether, yet another gem from the Fripp archives hit the streets in the UK with the release of the official bootleg from the LOG. Thrang Thrang Gozinbulx is a fascinating piece of Crimson archeology with Fripp exploring some of the themes and styles which would be so expertly consolidated within Discipline. Going for a straight ahead, no nonsense dance beat, Andrews, Lee and Toobad provide Fripp with a near perfect platform on which to play some truly awesome guitar. Some of the solo's touch on LTIA, Sailor's Tale and his more frentic work with Bowie circa Scary Monsters and make for extremely satisfying listening. Overall, this is vastly superior to the LOG in the studio. What it lacks in sound quality it more than makes up for in spirit and gusto. TTG is in my view an essential purchase for any true Crimhead with added bonus of some very pithy comments from the Man himself. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 18:21:17 +0200 From: "Andras, Barnabas, Eva and Laszlo TOTH" Subject: Any questions to Levin or Bruford? Dear Toby, I've just read your letter announcing that the existence of ET is in danger. I hope it will be still published next week, because I have a message to all ET-ers. If there will be no issue before May 28th, please let me know at least some of the addresses from the mailing list so that I can send them the message myself. By the way, I have two e-mail addresses. If it is possible, from now on please send ET to the new one: abeltoth at mail dot matav dot hu The message: I am working for a Hungarian musical newspaper called Wanted. KC are coming to Budapest on June 19th, and Wanted organized an exclusive telephone interview with Tony Levin or Bill Bruford (eventually Adrian Belew) for Wednesday May 29th, 12.30 pm CET. I am supposed to make the interview, and I have my own questions in mind, but I thought this could be an opportunity to let everyone interested contribute with their own questions. So if you have anything you would like to know from Bruford, Levin or Belew, send me your questions, and I will consider including them in the interview. I do not promess anything, but one thing is certain: when the interview is ready and typed in English, I will publish it in ET. Andras TOTH ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 May 96 06:47:48 UT From: "Kurt Jonach" Subject: Sex, Sleep, Eat, Drink, SleepAfterEating It came about, as I was reading through a fairly arcane section of a well known computer programming reference, that I noticed a similarity to a certain King Crimson song. The programming example for "Implementing Custom Marshaling" on page 330 of Kraig Brockschmidt's "Inside OLE" reads, in part, ... " The proxy makes these calls by sending or posting a WM_COMMAND message to the object's window with one of the following command IDs: #define MSG_RELEASE 1000 #define MSG_EAT 1001 #define MSG_SLEEP 1002 #define MSG_PROCREATE 1003 #define MSG_SLEEPAFTEREATING 1004 " Makes you wonder what Adrian Belew keeps on his night table for light reading. And, on the lighter side, the latest issue of Wired Magazine (#4.06 US, with Mr. Bill on the cover, lounging in a swimming pool) has a positive review of B'BOOM, which starts out... " Playing a monster of a set, King Crimson proves prog-rock can still be relevant. " I guess that means they don't think we're all dinosaurs? -kj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 11:52:18 -0400 (EDT) From: ADERKAZARIAN at MBLN dot LIB dot MA dot US Subject: HORDE info in latest Rolling Stone There's an article in the latest Rolling Stone about the HORDE tour without any mention of Crimson being in the show. They mention Rusted Root, they mention Lennie Kravitz... but no CRIMSON! How could this be? Is this just a huge editorial mistake, or is this some subtle, snide knock against Crimson? Something like, "Here's the tour's cool lineup (plus some art-rock geezers we won't mention)." What gives? ------------------------------ From: aprasad at ccs dot carleton dot ca (Anil Prasad) Subject: Django Bates: Good Evening...Here Is The News Date: Sun, 26 May 96 20:47:46 EDT "Earthworks-heads" will probably be very interested in Django Bates' latest release "Good Evening...Here Is The News" (Argo/Decca, 452 099-2, Germany). It's his Human Chain group (featuring another ex-Earthworks cohort -- Iain Ballamy) along with the London Sinfonietta. Incredibly interesting pieces and the usual twisted Bates-ish arrangements. Of particular note is the new version of "Candles Still Flicker In Romania's Dark" which Earthworks fans will recall as one of the more interesting pieces that band released. ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ Anil Prasad aprasad at ccs dot carleton dot ca ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ ------------------------------ From: "David A. Craig" Message-Id: <199605212140 dot OAA14932 at cosmic dot physics dot ucsb dot edu> To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: the sheltering sky To speak for the silent dreamers ... "the sheltering sky" is surely of magical origin. This band could help usher in heaven with this spell performed under summer evening skies. oh, that they might recall this forgotten incantation. please? ------------------------------ From: "David A. Craig" Message-Id: <199605212230 dot PAA07746 at cosmic dot physics dot ucsb dot edu> Subject: consumer exploitation so the call has gone out to rally forces against the evil fripp for offering us access to too much music ... oh, please. Notwithstanding the obvious free-will remarks that have already been made, b'boom and thrakattack are aimed at those of us who hunger for live king crimson, a splendid "if you can't beat 'em, join them!" approach to battling the boots. If you have trouble understanding why anyone would want to hear the "same" song twice (apparently, that's a lot of us, given the inexplicable whining that accompanied the release of the great deceiver), ok, fine, to paraphrase a certain moon-unit. What baffles me is what such impoverished souls hope to accomplish by discouraging the release of this material. It's already been recorded; it's not as if its release were preventing the band from producing new material. In what way is this an imposition on your existence? (Or, are you merely outraged at your own desire to purchase every release, and do not feel that robert is properly justifying your urges?) ? To which i must add, "WHERE'S THE 80's BOX SET, ROBERT? YOU PROMISED!" I know, I have it in writing. [Aside: if i may suggest - greek theater berkeley 1982] And, oh yeah, a most hearty welcome to DANN CHINN. You made some fast friends around here, i know. Thank you for a glorious post! [addendum: my purpose has been to illuminate what is, to me at least, the mysterious reasoning that permeates these expressions of frustration. In spite of my admittedly uppity tone, I am not trolling, and would be unhappy if this were in any way construed as a personal assault.] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 96 16:55:47 CET From: Marcin Gokieli Subject: Belew, horde... Hello, 1. Can somebody explain me how to get Adrian Belew's 'Guitar as Orchestra' CD? I still have not heard it... 2. Thinking of horde a strange idea stroke me. How would the rest of the bands manage to play AFTER our sweet double trio? Can you imagine Lenny Kravitz drumm er playing a solo 20 minutes after Bruford/Mastelotto duets? What will the guit rists feel? And what about bassists ?... Keep on hunting for the snark, Marcin Gokieli marfrank at plearn dot edu dot pl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 13:36:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Andrew Suber Subject: Brian Eno on Sesame Street Hi ETers, On May 12th I was watching one of my favorite programs, "Sesame Street". "Sesame Street" has had a reputation for being a show with cool guests. John Cage, Cab Calloway, Lily Tomlin, George Carlin, and Lou Reed have all been on. Well, on May 12th Mr. Brian Eno was on. I was very surprised. He played a small Moog organ with Elmo. Their song was a song of learning, a song of polite manners. I believe it was about being courteous to one's parents. I thought Elmo and Eno harmonizing was a very endearing sight. I felt so much respect for Eno. First U2, then James, now Elmo; he is popping up everywhere. Let's get the record straight about Ayn Rand. She is a bit of a charlatan. The only group of intellectuals who have really embraced Objectivism are New Classical economists. Objectivsm was a fad of the 30s, a mass marketing of philosophy on par with Rush Limbaugh or Billy Graham. Ayn Rand was not an engineer, or an architect. She was a former history student who blended Aristotle, Adam Smith and a illogical trust in logic together. Boy, she really hated people who didn't produce things, didn't she? She really hated people who relied on the work and ideas of others, huh? Well, that is almost exactly what she did. She plagarized other authors, and backed up her arguments with half-truths. Sorry for my attack on Objectivism, Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 17:23:41 -0800 From: brady at rainier dot darwin dot com (William Brady) Subject: KC cancelled in Seattle KC followers, When I read in the newsletter that KC were going to play in Seattle July 20, I ran to the nearest Ticketmaster only to find they had cancelled the show. The ticket jockey was unable to tell if the show had been rescheduled. Does anyone have an idea why they cancelled? I feel this could have been one of the best shows ever due to the blend of beautifully powerful music in one of the truly most spectacular settings imaginable. Has anyone heard of a new date for the show? Also, could I please get some input on the content and tone of "God Save The King"? Is it similar to "Exposure" or more of a Frippertronics-based collection? The responses I received about "Blessing of Tears" and "Avenida Corrientes" were very helpful. Much Grass Bill Brady brady at darwin dot com PHONE: (206) 489-8000 x2023 FAX: (206) 489-8019 "The beatings will continue until morale improves" ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #278 ********************************