Errors-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Reply-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk Digest #274 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 274 Monday, 29 April 1996 Today's Topics: RE: Elephant-talk digest v95 #273 HORDE Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #273 Former Crim-members Wanted: New ET FAQmeister Bill Forth interview comin' up... My Gawd! More HORDE! More On Sylvian / Fripp Consider the "alternatives" . . . Elephant-talk digest v95 #273 Ian McDonald/Steve Howe Jam Survey results Never to Happen Re: Fripp/Sylvian - Darshan My first posting Lineups Fripp Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #273 COMPLETE 1996 HORDE SCHEDULE King Crimson vocalist ETers in Poland, attention...! The Lady or the Tiger kc newsgroup Date of "Discipline" concert The answer to H.O.R.D.E. HORDE in Phila. KC at SPAC update Administrivia: POSTS: Please send all posts to toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk UNSUB/ADDRESS CHANGES: The DIY List Machine is back! At www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/list/ Visit the *new* ET on the web at www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/ For all administrative issues, such as change of address, withdrawal from the list, etc., send a message to the following address: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk ** If you want to opt for new 'ET BULLETIN' service, where instead of the whole digest you receive a short email announcing the latest edition is out, and where to read it on the web, email me, toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk, saying: "ET BULLETIN -- YES". ** The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest 3.0 package. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Toby Suject: HORDE fatigue OK, that's it with the HORDE stuff. :-) Any postings containing this word (in the right context, of course) get iced. OK? Toby, your perspiring editor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: E#KIRKD at ccmail dot ceco dot com Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 17:49:13 CST Subject: Wanted: New ET FAQmeister Those of you who have stopped by ET for a visit recently have maybe noticed that the ET FAQ is a little bit out of date. Other priorities have made it difficult for our current FAQmeister, Craig Dickson, to keep the FAQ up to date, and so I'm putting out a request for a dedicated ETer to take over the role of FAQmeister. This isn't something that needs to be reworked from scratch, you'd simply build on the foundation Craig has layed. However, there are a number of frequently asked questions that we should add and the new FAQmeister should be able to make timely updates to the ET FAQ. If you think you're game, please send me email and we'll work out the details. Many thanks go out to Craig for holding to position up until now. Dan DanKirkd at aol dot com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 13:58:40 PDT From: SteveSmith at kochint dot com Subject: RE: Elephant-talk digest v95 #273 While I can appreciate D.L.'s "ain't nothing like the real thing sentiment in his endorsement of official live releases over boots, I have to point out one inaccuracy: > This is a nice concert and the set list is >accurate unlike another bootleg I found titled "Trilogy." The >producers of >this CD, that call themselves "Moon Child Records", didn't even >bother to get >the names of the songs right. They just thew names like Three of >a Perfect >Pair and Untitled Guitar Instrumental onto songs from LTiA. This is incorrect. There are two releases called "Trilogy" from Moonchild. They should have been listed as volume one and volume two. One of them contains almost an entire set recorded live in Paris by the LTiA lineup, April 4, 1973. That's the volume you'll find listed in John Relph's discography on the ET web site. The other disc features "Doctor D" and "LTiA Part 2" from the same show, plus the abovementioned tracks "Three of a Perfect Pair" and "Untitled Guitar Instrumental" and three other cuts which REALLY ARE what they claim to be. They're studio outtakes from the 1983 "Three of a Perfect Pair" sessions, presumably stolen from Bearsville. While I can appreciate and agree with the fact that it's flat out wrong for anyone to steal such studio recordings, I'll also add that the longer embryonic version of LTiA Part III is truly fascinating. These same outtakes are also available on "A Weird Person's Guide to King Crimson," from Invasion Unlimited. I only bother to mention this because Moonchild has consistently been one of the BETTER presenters of bootleg material from this period, getting dates, titles and graphics correct where many others fail. And even though the Toronto 1974 material they presented as "Black Bible" has been far eclipsed sound-wise by its inclusion in the official "Great Deceiver" box, there's no way I'd ever part with my copy of "Black Bible" because I'd miss the HILARIOUS ramblings of the two stoners near the recorder ("Wow was that ever SPACY, dude!") and the idiotic shouted requests for not just "ItCotCK" but even "Tarkus" and "Hocus Pocus." That, I think, is a valuable insight. "The Great Deceiver" shows up how brilliant that version of KC was; "Black Bible" shows us what they were up against. Steve Smith SteveSmith at kochint dot com ------------------------------ From: Jose dot Douglas at turner dot com Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:19:12 -0400 Subject: HORDE Hi all, I don't think that KC playing the HORDE tour really bothers me as long as they DO play other venues before or after (preferably before) HORDE. I do not particularily like alt rock music and would not attend an all day festival, well, maybe if they were prog bands, just maybe! I am selfish in that when people (regardless of age group) see KC in concert they WILL BE hooked and it will be either harder to get good tixs or KC will play bigger venues. That's why I'd prefer them playing before HORDE! Cheers, Jose Douglas http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/3109/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:26:52 -0700 From: Rob MacCoun Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #273 >In ET #271, Tom J (signals at IMAP1 dot ASU dot EDU) inquired about an album with Brian >Eno and Michael Brook. There is such an album -- it is "Music For Films III", >released in 1988. By odd coincidence, I happened to be listening to it as I >read his post. > >This disc is a compilation of pieces from various musicians. Eno and Brook >collaborate on two tracks: "Err" (written by Brook, produced by Brook/Eno, >recorded in concert in Berlin), and "Zaragoza" (written and performed by >Laraaji, produced by Brook/Eno, recorded in concert in Zaragoza). MFF III is a great CD, unfortunately hard to find. But I suspect the reference was to Brook's "HYBRID" album (Editions EG, mid-1980s), produced by Eno. Not on par with Cobalt Blue or Music from the Aquarium (or Brook's recent world music collaborations), but still very good. Hybrid is very derivative of Jon Hassell (Brook's former employer) and Brian Eno. In the newer albums, Brook really emerges as a uniquely talented composer and arranger. Rob MacCoun Grad School of Pub Policy, Univ. of Calif. at Berkeley 2607 Hearst, Berkeley CA 94720, t/510-642-7518, f/510-643-9657 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:00:32 -0400 From: Emuguy5830 at aol dot com Subject: Former Crim-members Hi ho! I just saw the new Possible catalogue on the net. There are a mess of albums by Dave Cross and Gordon Haskell, and the Fripp/Summers. Left me wondering: Does anyone know who plays on these album, the type and quality of music played, etc? Anything would be helpful. Feel free to e-mail me. Matt C. ------------------------------ From: aprasad at ccs dot carleton dot ca (Anil Prasad) Subject: Bill Forth interview comin' up... Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 20:36:49 EDT Hi Guys, I'll be interviewing Vocalist/Guitarist Bill Forth in the coming weeks (or so). In case you're not familiar with him, he's involved with Possible Productions on several levels. Most notably, he's just released an album with keyboardist Jeff Fayman called "Ten Seconds" on Discipline Global Mobile. The album is a heavy, dark venture that features Robert Fripp very prominently. Heavy rhythms, heavy grooves and jagged edges abound. If you're a KC-head, you'll probably enjoy this album very much. In fact, I _know_ you will. Anyway, if anyone has some interesting questions, I'll be happy to consider them. Thanks, ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ Anil Prasad aprasad at ccs dot carleton dot ca ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ The INNERVIEWS webzine has expanded! It's your ticket to exclusive, in-depth and _illustrated_ interviews with some of the world's most interesting and innovative musicians! http://www.carleton.ca/~aprasad/ (Netscape enhanced) New! Iain Ballamy, John Gorka, Mick Karn, Lonely Universe & David Torn Coming soon: Alain Caron, Mike Keneally, Kit Watkins & Victor Wooten ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:23:06 -0400 From: upsetter at cybercom dot net (Art Cohen) Subject: My Gawd! More HORDE! I've avoided commenting on this thread until now, but when Loren said : This kind of occurance makes me : wonder why KC is involved, after all Robert Fripp once stopped : in the middle a KC concert and informed the obnoxious crowd : : "We are an artists, we are not meant to be liked" or some such : pronouncement. It kind of struck a chord. As a musician, I encourage Fripp and KC to reach out to as large an audience as they wish. But I really wonder what RF's reaction to the concertgoers at a non-KC show will be. It's probably been quite a while since Crimson has played to this many non-Crimson fans, no? Warning, Gross Generalization Ahead: I've never been to a HORDE concert, but I've been to quite a few Grateful Dead summer concerts. If the crowd is at all similar, half of them will be in the parking lot during Crimson's set, and half of those who are inside will be ignoring the band completely. And that's all I have to say about *that* particular subject! My CD just ended and none of my roommates are home... I think I'll listen to "The Heavenly Music Corporation"... --Art Boston Ska home page: http://www.profane.com/ska ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:29:19 -0400 From: ValDave at aol dot com Subject: More On Sylvian / Fripp Don't worry, I'm not planning on boring everyone with more "Damage" babble - but fans of that album (and "The First Day") should try get a hold of a copy of the Darshan EP / mini album. It's three tracks, but each is at least ten minutes. It contains the album version, a mix, or rather a reconstruction by Future Sound Of London, and a mix by the Grid...two techno projects Fripp has been associated with. Both mixes are awesome, with the Grid mix being the more dance-y one. Unfortunately my copy is only one of two I have ever seen, and I found it used for around $3, while the other one I saw new was close to $20!!! It has always amazed me that very few artists allow their music to be broken down and rebuilt by others - let's see a Crimson remix album - try to imagine what someone like The RZA from Wu-Tang Clan could do to any Crimson track, or Aphex Twin, or Moby, or The Bomb Squad, or the Kronos Quartet for that matter, but that's another post all together!!! Peace, Dave Read, NYC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 00:53:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Darius Subject: Consider the "alternatives" . . . >Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 17:31 -0600 (MDT) >From: Charles Stanford >I was looking for King Crimson, and I found them listed under "alternative!" >That made me furious! This labeling things as alternative has gone much too >far. Besides, I can't say that I'm all that fond of most of the music under >that name, and to group one of the most original, relevant bands of all time >into a label that has, IMHO, come to symbolize a commercially exploited fad >just makes my blood boil! What does the "alternative" label mean? It MEANT alternative to the mainstream: whatever style(s) of rock are most popular is the mainstream, and anything else by definition is "alternative" (of course it doesn't have to be styles of rock; if country/western happened to be the most popular style of music in America, ALL rock would by definition be "alternative"). The term has long since become cliche, because in a short time many different, "underground" (little-known) bands gained wide exposure to the general public, and so the bands became part of the mainstream. King Crimson is one of the few _authentically_ "alternative" bands around, precisely _because_ as you say they are original and not particularly commercial. When was the last time you heard them on the radio? When have you EVER heard them on the radio? Once I heard "Thela Hun Ginjeet" on a local college station (Lowell, (Boston) Mass, USA); that was five years ago. I do not mean to say my experience is universal -- I hope they get some more airplay than that, somewhere in the world! =) -- but I would not expect to hear that they do get regular airplay in most of the US. Because they are original, because they do try for innovative music, they are hard to classify and hard to promote, and hence seldom get heard. I am not a dj but I believe my dj friends would back me up on that -- anyone out there have thoughts on this? My final thought -- don't be too quick to dismiss or dislike things labelled "alternative" -- the term really has little meaning because it covers so much different music. Consider that The Beautiful South, Belly, Mark Eitzel (formerly of the American Music Club), Sarah McLaughlin, and They Might Be Giants are all "alternative," and all sound very different from each other -- and are all very different from Pearl Jam, the Presidents of the USA, and Blues Traveler (whom I think may no longer even be labelled "alternative", but who did start that way). I can't even be sure that you've heard of any of the bands I've just mentioned except for Pearl Jam and Blues Traveler -- yet, for example, the Beautiful South are currently one of the biggest bands in England. Just some friendly advice, don't be turned off by "alternative." =) Darius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 00:16:17 -0700 From: Steve Goodman Organization: EarthLight Productions Subject: Elephant-talk digest v95 #273 In #273, peck at pure dot com (Ray Peck) wrote: >> Brian Eno has done every thing that Trent Reznor could ever hope to >> do. >Eno is definitely a *strong* influence on Reznor, especially on The >Downward Spiral. However, there are some areas (the meticulous >Musique Concrete construction of that album from thousands of samples) >that Eno definitely hasn't done. Whether you like it or not is >another issue. I beg to differ - listen to Bowie's "Low" and "Heroes", which Eno had no small part in, and which Reznor has already admitted were major influences in his work. While I have a problem with his lyrics, a listening to The Downward Spiral, combined with early interviews with Robert Hilburn (the LA Times' ultra-fauning, apparently starstruck- with-Reznor reviewer), led me to listen to Low AND Heroes afterward. The comparison is inevitable. Bowie and Reznor's collaboration during the Outside tour would only cement this opinion further, given Eno's production. ******************************************************************** * "The first time I saw George Burns on the stage I could see * he had what it takes to become a big star - Gracie Allen." * - Bob Hope, 1987 ******************************************************************** * Download the Loop Of The Week at * http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios ******************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 07:16:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Gerry Yurchison Subject: Ian McDonald/Steve Howe Jam Heads up! Steve Howe, formerly of Yes fame, Arlen Roth "Mr. Hot Licks", The Jimmy Vivino Band (Conan O'Brien's Late Night Guitar Man), and King Crimson's Ian McDonald are performing in a Saturday Nite Concert, May 18, 1996 at the 4th Annual Guitar Show of Five Towns College, Dix Hills, Long Island, New York. For info, call (516) 273-1674. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 13:38:08 -0500 From: gabriel dot a dot radvansky dot 1 at nd dot edu (G.A. Radvansky) Subject: Survey results The survey question was "What songs by past or present members of King Crimson could have been, or should have been, but for some reason aren't, King Crimson songs?" Well, not too many people responded relative to "What's your favorite..." surveys, but here are the results anyway. The King Crimson album that never was: * = more than 1 vote 1. Bill Bruford -- Beelzebub* 2. Tony Levin -- Lone Bear * 3. Robert Fripp -- NY3 * 4. Robert Fripp -- Disengage * 5. Robet Fripp -- Haaden Two 6. Robert Fripp -- Breathless * 7. Robert Fripp -- Urban Landscape 8. Robert Fripp -- Water Music II 9. Robert Fripp -- North Star 10. Adrian Belew -- Small World 11. Adrian Belew -- The Man in the Moon 12. Adrian Belew -- Paint the Road 13. Adrian Belew -- She is not Dead 14. Yes -- Heart of the Sunrise 15. Adrian Belew -- This is What I Believe In * 16. Tony Levin -- Etude in the Key of Guildford 17. Adrian Belew -- I Am What I Am 18. Adrian Belew -- Young Lions 19. Adrian Belew -- The Momur 20. U.K. -- Caesar's Palace Blues 21. League of Gentlemen -- Anything ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 13:40:57 -0500 From: gabriel dot a dot radvansky dot 1 at nd dot edu (G.A. Radvansky) Subject: Never to Happen Here's another musing along the "it'll never happen" line. If D. Sylvian had agreed to join K.C. at R.F.s request, I think that "Starless" and "Exposure" would have been among the "old songs" that were played on the tour. Don't you agree? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 19:40:16 -0700 From: Kenley Neufeld Subject: Re: Fripp/Sylvian - Darshan >Just a quick note. Lot's of talk lately on "Damage". Haven't seen any posts >regarding the UK release of "Darshan". It's a 45 min CD with three takes on >Darshan, two of which are alternates. I know it's been discussed before but I would be happy to throw out my opinion of the disc. I love it! Both The Grid and The Future Sound of London add greater texture to Darshan. If you don't like any kind of dance music, you may not appreciate this disc but if dance music is o.k. with you, definitely pick this one up. The dance drone can be very meditative which happens to be one of the things I like about much of the work Fripp has done alone and with Sylvian. I am not certain how much was remixed by Sylvian and Fripp but some of the guitar work was definitely played with differently than on the original CD. For a 3 song, 45 minute EP of one song, it is not boring to listen to Darshan. _________________________________________________________ Kenley Neufeld | University High School (San Francisco) | Associate Librarian neufeldk at usfca dot edu | Electronic Media Coordinator URL: http://www.usfca.edu/usf/neufeld/kenley.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 00:41:53 -0400 From: Mformlios at aol dot com Subject: My first posting Greetings to Elephant Talk! Well, hmmm....where should I START??? First of all, I'm gonna stick my head (and neck) out from my dark corner just a little bit, and perhaps just this once (you never know HOW these things will go, do you?) I have subscribed to this list, and with deep breath composed this letter, under the precepts that in fact, one can, in this day and age, admit to owning bootleg material without the thought police knocking one's door down. (Shouting) IS ANYONE from the band listening????? I did see KC in NYC in November. Fantastic! In the tour program (programme?), Mr. Fripp does allude to having listened to many of the 1973 audience tour tapes. He indicates by his interest that he will at least not prosecute one for having such stuff, and that he in fact might even want it. (Does this mean I can actually take out my vinyl copy of "Cadence and Cascade" and look at it?). He also indicates that the "vast majority of the tapes" are from 1973. Hmmm....Well.... I do have a crystal clear uncirculated cassette audience master. It's about 42 minutes, and the date and venue is (God, I HOPE I have this right!) Santa Monica Civic Center, October 29, 1972. I know this particular tape is uncirculated, it was in a closet for many, many years and escaped being taped over only by coincidence. Folks, I know almost nothing about the rarity of King Crimson tapes floating around, it could be that there were twenty other people taping in the audience that night, and everyone listening has a copy. But.... What I REALLY want to know, is: What's the band's posture on that sort of thing, can it be (legally) put out if it's agreed it's as good as I say, or should I just have remained quiet about it? One final question...Did the band play the San Bernardino Swing Auditorium between 1970 and 1971? The reason is that some of the tapes of other bands I have from this particular source are ascribed to various different dates. The reason for this, is sometimes asychronous Super 8 mm movies were shot at different locations with different audio tapes, and two different sources might be offered. You are free to email me. Thanks for listening! Mark D. Forman Mformlios at AOL dot com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 96 18:03:14 CET From: Marcin Gokieli Subject: Lineups And what would you think of: Robert Fripp- guitar, sounscapes, etc. Bill Bruford- drums John Zorn - sax Joey Baron- drums Charlie Haden - bass Bill Frisell - guitar Trey Gunn - stick, warr ... Tony Flanagan -grand piano and guests: Fred Frith, Wayne Horvitz, Nick Didkovsky... Keep on hunting for the Snark, Marcin Gokieli marfrank at plearn dot edu dot pl ------------------------------ From: Justin Weinberg Subject: Fripp Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 21:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Is Robert Fripp the Howard Roark of guitar playing? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 20:44:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "David G. Dixon" Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #273 Hello, all: I've been reading this list for about a month now, and I must confess I don't know what to make of most of it. However, several things have occurred to me during that time which perhaps warrant reply: 1. Why has everyone always assumed that Robert Fripp must be a part of the 'ultimate' King Crimson? His role in the current band seems to have been pretty 'distilled', if you catch my meaning, in all aspects except perhaps compositionally. 2. I've only seen KC live once, in Vancouver BC (my current residence) last year, although I own all of their 'legitimate' albums and even a video of '3 of a perfect pair - Live in Japan'. So, I feel capable of rendering a creditable opinion on KC's music. I must say that, although I enjoyed the show well enough, two things about it bothered me: a. It was too damned loud. b. There was no significant improvisation happening, so far as I could tell. If any band in existence could provide an interesting couple of hours of mostly improvised rock music, surely this one could. Why don't they, do you think? In short, I was very very surprised that what I heard at the concert sounded so much like what I could hear on the CDs. Cheers, Dave Dixon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 00:32:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Karl Myers Subject: COMPLETE 1996 HORDE SCHEDULE http://www.media.philips.com/hordefest/horde96/horde1996.html Now here's the actual complete schedule: > 1996 HORDE. Schedule as of 4/17/96 > subject to change > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date City,State > Sat, 6-Jul Minneapolis, MN* > Sun, 7-Jul Milwaukee, WI* > Mon, 8-Jul Travel > Tue, 9-Jul Cleveland, OH* > Wed, 10-Jul Columbus, OH* > Thu, 11-Jul Travel > Fri, 12-Jul Indianapolis, IN* > Sat, 13-Jul Chicago, IL* > Sun, 14-Jul Detroit, MI* (sold out) > Mon, 15-Jul Detroit, MI > Tue, 16-Jul Travel > Wed, 17-Jul Birmingham, AL > Thu, 18-Jul Memphis, TN^ > Fri, 19-Jul Dallas, TX^ > Sat, 20-Jul Austin,TX^ > Sun, 21-Jul Houston, TX^ > Mon, 22-Jul Travel > Tue, 23-Jul Las Cerces, NM > Wed, 24-Jul Phoenix, AZ^ > Thu, 25-Jul Travel > Fri, 26-Jul Los Angeles, CA^ > Sat, 27-Jul TBA > Sun, 28-Jul San Francisco, CA^ > Mon, 29-Jul Concord, CA^ > Tue, 30-Jul Sacramento, CA^ > Wed, 31-Jul Travel > Thu, 1-Aug Salt Lake City, UT^ > Fri, 2-Aug Travel > Sat, 3-Aug Portland, OR^ > Sun, 4-Aug Seattle, WA^ > Mon, 5-Aug Travel > Tue, 6-Aug Travel > Wed, 7-Aug Travel > Thu, 8-Aug Kansas City, KS# > Fri, 9-Aug St. Louis, MO# > Sat, 10-Aug Nashville, TN# > Sun, 11-Aug Cincinatti, OH# > Mon, 12-Aug Travel > Tue, 13-Aug Pittsburgh, PA# > Wed, 14-Aug Travel > Thu, 15-Aug Boston, MA# > Fri, 16-Aug New York, NY# > Sat, 17-Aug TBA > Sun, 18-Aug Saratoga Spgs, NY# > Tue, 20-Aug Buffalo, NY# > Wed, 21-Aug Hartford, CT# > Fri, 23-Aug Burlington, VT# > Sat, 24-Aug Philadelphia, PA > Sun, 25-Aug Washington, DC > Tue, 27-Aug Travel > Wed, 28-Aug Atlanta, GA > Thu, 29-aug Charlotte, NC > Fri, 30-Aug Virginia Beach, VA > Sun, 1-Sep West Palm Beach, FL > * w/ Natalie Merchant > ^ w/ Dave Matthews Band > # w/ King Crimson > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- There you have it. Of course KC just has to drop out of the tour the day before the Philly show! Aacckkk!!!! Oh well, I guess it's road trip time!!!! Karl Myers mophead at udel dot edu ------------------------------ From: ".." Subject: King Crimson vocalist Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 21:53:12 +-1000 I feel a bit silly writing this. It's a bit like wasting time fantasising about having Elle MacPherson as a partner. But here goes anyway: My vote for the great missing King Crimson vocalist is Scott Walker. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 12:59:50 +0200 From: "Riesz, Ferenc" Subject: ETers in Poland, attention...! Hello ETers in Poland ! KC will perform on 7 June in Warsaw. Quite by an accident, I will be in Warsaw at that time. Is there anybody who wants to come with me to the show ? I'm in Warsaw from 1 June till 12 June. I would of course be interested in other kind of common activities (...I do szkalnky...:)). Please contact me privately if you are interested. RF ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 07:00:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Sergei Kantere Subject: The Lady or the Tiger Friends, A few days ago I have finally got a tape of "The Lady or the Tiger" from, of all places, Petrozavodsk (a small city in the North West of Russia). This is not a legitimate copy, not even the first copy of the original. All traces of the original are said to have vanished somewhere in St. Petersburg 3 or 4 years ago... So I have no liner notes and actually my copy fades out on some 44th minute to fit a 90 min cassette side; right at the moment when the prince notices one lady smiling and the other frowning and realises one of them must be his wife... Those who know this record must understand my feelings. At first I have even thought that Mr. Fripp has done it deliberately. Anyway, I recall someone explaining here a few issues ago what this project is, so I'll just add that it's brilliant. I understand that it doesn't have much selling potential and was thus discontinued, but it badly deserves to be re-released. Make it an expensive limited edition, or at least put it on cassette to keep production costs low, whatever. And straight to the matter: is there anyone who has "The Lady or the Tiger" and would like to part with it for more than it costed? Or have seen it in used record stores, or have any other suggestions. Please e-mail me directly. Thanks everyone and especially Toby and Dan, Sergei Kantere Moscow, Russia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 13:08:59 -0500 (CDT) From: groon Subject: kc newsgroup I am currently trying to find King Crimson "enthusiasts" who would be interested in a KC newsgroup. Please email me if interested. groon at showme dot missouri dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 13:10:59 +0100 From: Russell Whitworth Subject: Date of "Discipline" concert Thanks to those of you that sent kind comments (via email and on ET) regarding my review of the "Discipline" gig that appeared here a couple of months back. You will recall that this was about the band "Discipline", that subsequently changed name to King Crimson and then released an album called "Discipline". I have now tracked down the original advertisement for the gig, so I can confirm the date. The ad (from The Sunday Times) reads: "Straight Music presents DISCIPLINE featuring Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew, Bill Bruford, Tony Levin with guests The Lounge Lizards. Her Majesty's Theatre, Haymarket, SW1. Sunday 10th May at 7.30" Therefore the year must have been 1981. My questions to the panel are: 1. Were any other ET readers present? 2. Was this the only time the band appeared under the name of "Discipline"? (In case anyone is wondering how I came across the advert - I tend to keep ticket stubs, etc; usually I slip them into an appropriate record sleeve or cassette/CD box. This ad lives in my cassette copy of Discipline. I had forgotten it was there, and chanced upon it last week). -- Russell Whitworth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 09:43:57 -0400 From: sojourn at waterw dot com (Rich Rapp) Subject: The answer to H.O.R.D.E. H.O.R.D.E. If you have web access go to: http://spider.media.philips.com/hordefest/horde96/horde1996.html for all the answers. PS: The Phila date is now officially Aug 24 (Sat), and Wash. DC the 25th. Rich On the wings of an Angel, we are.... The Sojourn Fan Society (sojourn at waterw dot com) Home Page: http://www.waterw.com/~sojourn/index.html Rich Rapp, WebMaster ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:03:52 -0400 From: sojourn at waterw dot com (Rich Rapp) Subject: HORDE in Phila. If you're going to HORDE in Phila just for King Crimson, dig deeper before parting with your money. I can't find any verifiable info that says KC will do the Phila show. Rich Rapp (sojourn at waterw dot com) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 12:25:37 -0400 From: matottls at craft dot camp dot clarkson dot edu (Loren S. Matott) Subject: KC at SPAC update Tickets reportedly are going on slae for SPAC on May 18th. This would be the HORDE/KC concert. Also, I have heard from people who have gone to HORDE before that the lines can be extremely long. If KC is playing early and they are the reason for going, you might want to plan on showing up considerably earlier than the start of the show. Apparently, the lines are so long that if you showed up at start time, you would miss the first 2 1/2 acts! Also, I was told that the seurity at these HORDE things is pretty thorough and SLOW. They check everything on everybody. THis is pretty time consuming because at SPAC people brint tents and stuff. Finally, does anyone know what slotKC will be playing at SPAC? well it's goodbye. ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #274 ********************************