Reply-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: discipline #27 discipline, Number 27 Friday, 6 March 1992 Today's Topics: Beat, continued Belew and Beat Re: discipline #26 Robert Fripp book discipline stuff Let the Power Fall/Crimso lineups Yes mailing list [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 2 Mar 92 10:03 -0400 From: MERLIN at AC dot DAL dot ca Subject: Beat, continued Aagh! Cut off! Well, sorry about that - if you'll let me finish . . . In the song "Neal and Jack and Me", Neal is Neal Cassady and Jack is Jack Kerouac, two famous members of the Beat movement. The "Studebaker Coupe" is presumably a car in "On the Road" or some other such work. Following such logic, it seems natural to assume that "The Howler" refers to Ginsberg's "Howl"; while my friend is convinced that "Satori in Tangier" is also some sort of oblique Beat reference. Can anyone confirm? MERLIN / Troy Jollimore Dalhousie University, Halifax [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 2 Mar 92 10:02 -0400 From: MERLIN at AC dot DAL dot ca Subject: Belew and Beat To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Firstly, in regard to the question about Adrian Belew - yes,he is as good as they say, possibly better. He is one of the most creative and original guitarists of the 80s - I think the word I am looking for is "genius". Belew's best work is probably with King Crimson. Of his solo albums, the one i know best is "Mr. Music Head", which is more of a songwriting album than the others, which strike me as 'guitar' albums. (That's not a put-down, by the way, at least not when you are dealing with a guitarist as gifted as Adrian.) Check out the two Bears albums as well - "The Bears" and "Rise and Shine" (the formeris slightly better). They're both highly entertaining pop discs, worth your time. For serious Adrianatics, he has done fine work with Bowie (Lodger, and - I'm not sure but Heroes? Well, Heroes is worth having whether Belew is on it or not!) and Laurie Anderson (look for Mister Heartbreak, which also features Beat writer William S. Burroughs, and the wonderful concert video Home of the Brave) and the Talking Heads (Remain in Light and The Name of the Band is the Talking Heads).I also hear he's on Paul Simon's "Graceland". Anyway, he rates five stars on my scale. On to other opinions . . . it may be that "Beat" is the least worthy of the KC discs of the early 80s (and certainly is true that "Discipline" is the best) but to call the album "drek" is overstating the case. There are some fine moments on that album - "Neal and Jack and Me" and "Two Hands" rate with the best of them. Sure, the disc is a little more subtle than what we're used to, not quite as exciting as some - but a bad Crimso album is better than a good album by almost any other band! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: The Master Subject: Re: discipline #26 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 92 8:12:20 EST "Network" is not really an album, but an EP put together by EG (hey, a pun!) to promote Fripp's "Exposure" album. "Network" has this absolutely hilarious picture of Fripp wearing Devo-glasses and posing like he's about to break into a dance! Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dave White | Lakeshore Cryotronics | | Software Engineer | 64 E Walnut Street | |__white at geo2s dot mps dot ohio-state dot edu___|__Westerville, Ohio 43215_____________| [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1992 13:35:16 -0500 From: Jeremy Weissenburger <07822 at brahms dot udel dot edu> Subject: Robert Fripp book Hello. Captain Apathy here. I was hoping to get this into Discipline #26, but since I just got it today, it'll wind up being in next week's issue. Yesterday I purchased "Robert Fripp" by Eric Tamm. I recommend this book highly to Crimso fans. The book is NOT a true biography of Fripp, but analyzes Fripp's work in Crimso and his solo albums. I have just started reading it and am very intrigued. For example, when auditions were done for a bassist for the '80's Crimso, they were required to play a bass riff in 17/8!! Those musicians out there no that this could be a real bitch!! It was enough to "separate the men from the boys." Anyway, the book goes up to his time spent working doing Guitar Craft. It was published in 1990, and should be in the library of Crimso fans. Those of you who think Eric Tamm sounds familiar will recognized him (I think) in being in the League of Crafty Guitarists. Tamm has also written a book on the works of Brian Eno, for those of you who are interested. Well, that's all for now. The book "Robert Fripp" is $12.95 on paperback. Check it out!! --Captain Apathy --"Nothing he's got, he really needs..." [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1992 09:35 CST From: RNT3515 at TNTECH dot EARN Subject: discipline stuff Hi guys! Last issue was my first time with Discipline. I've been posting to _Notes from the Edge_, the Yes list, for about a year and a half now, and I was wondering if a Crimson list even existed. I'm glad to see that it does, and that it's also very good. =) Could someone please fill me in on the new King Crimson? I'm afraid I've been a little out of touch with the band's recent developments. Jerry Marotta -- his name sounds familiar. Didn't he play on Peter Gabriel's _So_ album opposite Tony Levin? Where else has he played? Personally, I was hoping Stewart Copeland would be the new drummer, seeing as how Animal Logic has pretty much gone defunct. More later... robert [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 05 Mar 92 19:20:41 EST From: Rob Petrone Subject: Let the Power Fall/Crimso lineups Well, /Network/, apparently, is a compilation album of Fripp's stuff. that came out in 1987. It's got a remake of "Here Comes the Flood" with pg on vox, and a nice little intro called "Water Music II" (or something to that effect) added onto the beginning with the voice of J.G. Bennett. It's got "North Star" with Darryl Hall on vox & Phil Collins on drums. It's a great album with a lot of big names. It's my favorite work by Fripp. /Let the Power Fall/, on the other hand, was an attrocious piece of work. I don't know the exact date it came out, because I gave it away to someone. It was in, like, the mid '80s, I guess. It sucked IMHO. It was extreme minimimalism. The song titles were "1981", "1982", "1983"...and so on for about 8 songs. I could have made this album and I don't even play guitar. I really tried to listen to it with an open mind, but I failed to see any artistic value in it whatsoever. Can anyone who has the album fill me in? Am I missing something? Was there some sort of statement Fripp was trying to make? It seemed to me to be a political statement-- like a lamentation over the sad state of the modern world. Hence the album title and the song titles. The music (using the term loosely) was very tormenting. Like long, mournful, screeching sounds over and over and a monotonous digital beeping in the background (the only thing that distingushed the songs.) No melody or tempo (of course, I only listened to the album once and this was about two or three years ago, so time may have exaggerated my memory of the album, but *believe* me when I say that this is New Age minimalism at it's extreme. I'm interested in hearing other people's insight on this album. Okay, now to clear up a question of mine. Thanks to those who responded to my question about what Crimson I, II, and III were, but how come it doesn't jive with the family tree in the boxed set? The family tree shows about *6* different Crimson lineups! What's the deal? ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: __+__ I was thinking, 'This is :: Rob Petrone :: :: (+ + +) a dangerous place...' :: Temple University :: :: [[I]] This is a dangerous place :: Philadelphia, PA :: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 6 Mar 92 11:51:15 GMT From: Toby Howard Subject: Yes mailing list Readers of this list might like to know about the Yes mailing list, Notes From the Edge', run by Mike Borella at borella at cs dot ucdavis dot edu. The latest issue (#33) has lots of Crimson crossover, with talk about Bruford, Levin, etc. Toby [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] To join this group or have your thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to Toby Howard at the following address: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk The views expressed in discipline are those of the individual authors only.