From elephant-talk at arastar dot comMon Dec 4 08:11:15 1995 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:18:32 +0800 From: elephant-talk at arastar dot com Reply to: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: elephant-talk at anthor dot arastar dot com Subject: Elephant-talk digest v95 #248 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 248, Friday, 1 December 1995 Today's Topics: A few new items Concert review / noise from audience Help with KC video Pictures of a City/Mastoletto technique/B'Boom/etc. What No Play Bill? What next? Fripp's fifth frenzy Metric Manipulation at B'Boom's Beginning State Of The List A big Sinfield fan Levin Discograhpy; Thrak Drums ET # 246 Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #247 Gig Reviews That dang Free As a Bird. Spring/Summer Tour Fripp & Metheny? re ET 246:Quizz Reviews Thoughts on KC in Chicago King Crimson at the Rosemont Theatre (Chicago) 11/29/95 Jeff Berlin and Columbus review. King Crimson in Springfield, MA KC-Longacre 11-20 Chicago show, faith rekindled [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] POSTS: Please send all posts to toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk The ET archives: WWW Home: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/et/ Topic Index: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/topics-index/etopics.html FAQ: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/faq.html FTP The Americas: ftp.qualcomm.com, in /pub/et Rest of world: ftp.cs.man.ac.uk, in /pub/toby/elephant-talk EMAIL Send "index elephant-talk" to listserv at arastar dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] FROM THE MODERATOR We have a serious bandwidth problem on ET. To help reduce traffic on this list, would readers please reply directly to the poster of a topic, and the original poster is encouraged to summarize responses. The following topics have been judged by ET readers to have been "done to death", so no posts about those please. THE EXPIRED LIST 1. KC on Conan 2. Fripp's approach to fan encounters 3. Things that hit Fripp on the head 4. Larks Tongues in Aspic in "Emanuelle" 5. Why and when people shout FREEBIRD. 6. What substances to ingest prior to a KC gig 7. Who is the best vocalist KC ever had? 8. Are Pete Sinfield's lyrics any good? [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:53:47 -0500 From: PossProd at aol dot com Subject: A few new items Hello ET'ers ! We have some new catalog items that might be of interest. First, we have the new King Crimson CD single, "Sex, Sleep, Eat, Drink, Dream" with the unreleased (Live)"Walking On Air" and the Frippertronics piece "Silent Night". Second, we have Adrian's incredible new CD "The Guitar As Orchestra". We also have the classic McDonald & Giles CD from Japan. Next comes Camilla's Little Secret CD " The Steps" with Toyah Willcox's famous husband,"Bobby", on guitar. We also have their Limited Edition(of 500) black cover vinyl 12" version of "Tantalizing Eyes" with the 4 different guitar solos.( When you play the record, you get one of two guitar solos on each side. It is double grooved and impossible to tell which solo you will get). We have the 2CD ambient collection "Swarm of Drones" with the exclusive Robert Fripp track "2000 II" . We have Trap Door's "Flying Discs of Luv", (with special guest Trey Gunn) doing their own style of Intergallactic bump music. Last, but not least, we have a limited amount of the video "Careful With That Axe" in US VHS format. These were made for Robert on the 1991 League of Crafties tour of Europe and mistakenly manufactured in the US format. There are only 100 or so available and the custom cover is a cross between the RF & LOCG "Live" and "Show of Hands". If you have never seen this, the Guitar Craft portion is excellent and the live "Easy Money" from 1974 will have you wanting more. The Europa String Choir and Gitbox Rebellion CDs will be available near January 23, 1996, their release date. No dates have been set for the live League of Gentlemen and Volumes 1 and 3 of soundscapes or the Gates of Paradise. Toyah's album "Ophelia's Shadow" is out of print at this time on CD. We have a 100 or so cassettes available. Work is being done on a live King Crimson video from the Japan tour last October. Hopefully, that will come about early next year. I'm always looking for simple, clever ideas for merchandise. Ideas of value. What is it that you want? What would be a fair price ? Two ideas that really don't need mentioning are - 1) Crimson video or 2) Archival live recordings [they're coming]. Mark Perry Possible Productions(PossProd at aol dot com) New items, catalog #'s, prices. ( If anyone needs the whole catalog, please email) $ 5.99 0128CD Sex Sleep Eat Drink Dream - with live Walking on Air & Silent Night ala Fripp - QTY____ $ 6.99 0413CD Toyah - Ophelia's Shadow (cassette only) - QTY____ $12.99 0421CD Camilla's Little Secret - "The Steps" - QTY____ $ 8.99 0422EP Camilla's Little Secret - "Tantalizing Eyes"- QTY____ $11.50 1007CD Adrian Belew-" The Guitar As Orchestra" - QTY____ $23.00 1301CD McDonald & Giles (Japan only import) - QTY____ 11.50/6.99 1302CD/CA Trap Door - "Flying Discs of Luv" - QTY____ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 21:45:20 -0500 From: TonyLevin at aol dot com Subject: Concert review / noise from audience I saw the last show of the tour, in Chicago on Nov. 29th, and unfortunately, the guy behind me was making a RACKET. He started banging on things before I even got there - (I missed the first song) and he hardly ever stopped through the whole show. Really ruined it for me. I kept turning around to glare at him - half the time he wasn't even in his seat, but standing, still making noise on anything he could find. The guy just beamed at me, and seemed to be having the time of his life, but I ask this: what about the rest of us?? I think Crimson is a fine band (and I've seen them in concert a LOT) but this kind of thing makes it very difficult for me to concentrate on the music, and I'm sure I'm not alone on this. As it happens I didn't have to pay to see the show, but if I had, I might have considered demanding my money back. I spoke to the fellow after the show - he seems a nice enough chap - asked me to join him for a drink. But he just didn't get my point about the noise. Odd taste in clothes too - he wore a funny yellow sports jacket. tony levin. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:11:29 -0500 From: kenth at magicnet dot net (Kent Huffnagle) Subject: Help with KC video I was wondering if you know how to get a copy of the KC live concert video in Japan(1983) for TOaPP? I would love to purchase a copy. Thanks, Kent kenth at magicnet dot net Yo man, cool. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 00:24:47 +0800 From: caveport at singnet dot com dot sg (Peter Cave) Subject: Pictures of a City/Mastoletto technique/B'Boom/etc. Hi, my first post! (I think) a quick response to what Bruford plays at the beginning of B'boom..... It's 2 bars in 7/8 followed by 2 bars in 5/8 followed by 1 bar of 3/8. It was posted on a drumming page that had a Bruford/ Mastellotto article ..quite interesting. there were also other transcriptions as well. If anyone wants more info, E-mail me and I'll dig it up. cheers, Peter C. caveport at singnet dot com dot sg [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:32:30 -0500 From: Matt35m at aol dot com Subject: What No Play Bill? The last time I went to a Broadway show they gave me a Play Bill and that was only last month. I saw Jerry Garcia (now you droids don't get on my case, I'm a Dead Head seen 98 shows, but also 40+ Crimson, Fripp, Belew, Bruford, Levin etc...) on Broadway and I got a Play Bill, still have it too. But I see Crimson on Bway and what do I get? ZIP!!!! but I could have bought the tour program. Now why do you think I could did not get the time honored Play Bill for these shows. GREEEEEEEEED. Why give a keepsake away for free, when you can sell one instead. Shame on you Mr. Fripp & Company BTW did you know that CBS used a short clip from the Thrak album in a peice for their triathalon coverage. You think they paid for it, or will RF bre going after them. Matthew [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:49:16 -0700 From: Paul Martz Subject: What next? Well, the new formation of KC has completed: A studio EP A studio album Multiple CD singles A live double CD Tours of four continents So what next? Anybody heard anything through the grapevine from the band members themselves? I do recall Robert Fripp saying the band had committed to "one album", and it looks like things have gone quite beyond that. Will there be more? And what form will it take? Some possibilities: Another studio album? Breakup and reformation 3-5 years down the road? The end of the line? -paul martz at shaft dot fc dot hp dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Peter" Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:48:53 +0000 Subject: Fripp's fifth frenzy This is in response to those who said they broke a lot of strings trying to get into the Fripp tuning. I used the same old strings on the lower three, replaced the old G (the third string) with a B string tuning down a whole step, replaced the second string with a regular high E (.09 or .10), and used a .08 (the thinnest thing I could find) for the G on the first string. I like this setup because four of the strings are downtuned, allowing for wider bends. The only problem is that the high G is sort of tight- I broke a few by bending them too far, but you can tune up with no need to worry. Enjoy. Pete [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:20:03 -0500 From: KnKreutzer at aol dot com Subject: Metric Manipulation at B'Boom's Beginning Gideon B. Banner wonders what Bruford's doing over Mastelotto's repeated rhythm at the beginning of "B'Boom." Mastelotto wondered the same thing in the recent *Modern Drummer* interview (November 1995): "I repeat that theme while Bill goes through these metric modulations, which is really difficult to count. I think he's going 9,8,7,6,5,4,3,4,5,6,7,8. He gets the bars shorter and shorter and then he gets them longer and longer." Kenneth Kreutzer Kent, Ohio (KnKreutzer at aol dot com) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Gordon Van Huizen Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 10:43:59 -0800 Subject: State Of The List I sat here this morning trying to decide whether I should unsubscribe from this list or not. I've been a subscriber since April, 1993 when I found it to be a wellspring of interesting info and a place to connect with people that shared my enthusiasm for Fripp/KC. I'm to the point where I just don't have time to wade through its 40-70k of messages every few days. I'm on a few other "fan" mailing lists (as well as several other work and music-related lists) and I don't have this problem with any of the others. Perhaps Crimheads are just a wordy bunch with a strong need to express themselves. Perhaps the audience for Crimson and Fripp is just plain larger. Who knows? I know this letter detracts somewhat from the already suffering S/N ratio, but I can't help but feel that other people must share my frustration. I'd hate to lose contact with the community, and I'd REALLY hate to lose insight into upcoming releases and the occasional contribution from any of the Crimson or Crimson-related musicians. I just can't justify the significant portion of my time that is now required to sift through everything else to get to that content and the occasionally interesting insight provided by the fans. Toby has done an AMAZING job of handling the load and keeping things running smoothly, and I applaud and thank him for his efforts. Sitting on a fence, Gordon Van Huizen Metrosoft / Digital Asylum gvh at metrosoft dot com gvh at digasylum dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:42:50 -0600 From: vanvalnc at is2 dot nyu dot edu (Chris Van Valen) Subject: A big Sinfield fan Hi fellow Crimheads I don't know why everybody dumps on Sinfield. I watch his show every Thursday night and enjoy the comedic interaction between him, Elaine, George and Kramer ;-) Goodnight, Mrs. Calabash! CV [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Bradley Stewart Cook Subject: Levin Discograhpy; Thrak Drums Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:12:00 -0600 (CST) For those of you who have been wondering and talking about what albums Tony Levin has played on there is a discography (not complete, but the best I have seen) at the ET ftp site. ftp.qualcomm.com /pub/et/discographies. For the person asking about the drumming in Thrak. Mastelotto is playing in 5 with accents on 1 and 4 while Bruford plays in 7 with the accents on 1,4 and 6. To those of you in the Dallas area I was at a Half Price Books where they had 3 copies of Tamm's Fripp book left for 6 bucks each. I don't know if that was a really great deal or how hard the book is to find but if you want the location of the 1/2 Price Books then email me. Brad Cook bsc0150 at tam2000 dot tamu dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:58:53 -0600 From: vanvalnc at is2 dot nyu dot edu (Chris Van Valen) Subject: ET # 246 Rob MacCoun posted: >...I saw them in Ann Arbor circa early 1982....I vaguely recall them >playing >Neal and Jack and Me as an instrumental, or perhaps with a >different chorus I saw them at the Savoy in October 1981 and they did "N&J&M" as a completed song with vocals. They also did "Neurotica" as an instrumental and "Sartori in Tangier". A friend of mine has a tape of them at the Park West in Chicago on the same tour which corroborates this info. CV [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:17:05 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Sullivan Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #247 An ET'er expressed dismay that some concertgoers sitting behind her though that 1) Fripp was a 'GUrdjieff teacher' 2) he was married to TOyah WIlcox. Pardon, but isn't #2 definitely the case, and #1 at least partly true (Gurdjieff-->Bennett--->Fripp--->Guitar Craft)? signed, COnfused. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: E#KIRKD at ccmail dot ceco dot com Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 16:37:33 CST Subject: Gig Reviews Now that the tour is over I'd like to send Robert Fripp the second set of gig reviews covering the Fall gigs as soon as the last have trickled in. So if you've got a review in you that you've been meaning to write, please send it in to Toby, lets say by the end of the first week of December, so that I can compile them all and send them out. There were some Japan shows that went un-reviewed. If anyone has a review of those that would be nice. If you don't wish to burden ET with a review, then send it directly to me instead and I'll pop it on the Gig Review web pages with the rest, bypassing the newsletter. Dan (DanKirkd at aol dot com) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:34:53 -0500 From: James MacKenzie Crawford Subject: That dang Free As a Bird. I know this is taboo territory, but after reading about some of the confusion regarding when this song became available, the demo version of JL singing and on piano (on which the new released is based) has been in the bootleg circuit for years. In fact, there was (and still is) a web site from which one can down load a sun .au file of it in it's original form. Adrian, being the Lennon fan he is, has probably been mucking with this song for years. James Crawford [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:56:48 -0500 From: ASFSeattle at aol dot com Subject: Spring/Summer Tour Just a quick note. I believe there have been some posts as to whether KC would be touring again soon. A review of the the most recent Adrian Belew fan club mailer I received this fall indicates his next solo LP (not "The Guitar As Orchestra") titled "On" is due for release in time for next Spring/Summer King Crimson touring. If plans hold, we all may get to see them again. I for one would enjoy seeing KC outdoors again. As for "The Guitar As Orchestra", has anyone had trouble locating this? The postcard from Caroline said it would hit the streets on Nov. 14. My local retailer says that Caroline has not released it still as of 30 Nov. Rgds, Matt Lehman [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:57:54 -0500 From: Jazzin12 at aol dot com Subject: Fripp & Metheny? Many of you may quikly cast off this suggestion. However, I feel strongly that Fripp and Pat Metheny (jazz guitarist) should work together on a project. Each guitarist has a background and tradition as opposite as the polar caps, but a closer look reveals many parallels which would certainly the elements of collaboration. Both have unique playing styles, both have developed successful uses for the guitar synth and electronics, both have legendary compositional skills. Among the staples, King Crimson and the PM Group, both create fantastic, vivid solo projects and guest appearances. Combining Metheny's African/blues/jazz sensabilities with Fripp's European/classical/rock sensabilities would give birth to a very special fusion (no pun intended). Of course the music is what I am interested in most, but the collaboration would bring Fripp fans to peer into Metheny's world and visa versa; opening up young eyes to new life. Metheny's work on Steve Reich's "Electric Counterpoint" and Fripp's many Frippertronics and Soundscapes share many of the same clouds. Whether they could develope the Guitar Craft principle to a new plateau or entwine the Synclavier with Soundscapes or devise a new mutoid of the pop song / standard, sprinkled with laser-like improvisation and the ambience of "Zero Tolerance for Silence", I truly believe this project would be fruitful beyong our imaginations. I would love hear more ideas! Jay Jones jazzin12 at aol dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: stehelin at citi2 dot fr (Dominique Stehelin) Subject: re ET 246:Quizz Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:16:30 +0100 (MET) Hy everyone! Olivier Malhomme speaking. Before I give you the next part of this Bill Bruford interview (next posting) I need all your science. In the previous ET we heard about a deleted album list whose names sent chills in my spine (all toyah, Ian Callamy, Hillage, and especially Mick Karn. We know this fretless genius. I know only 4 albums of the man (in solo) Tittles, Dream of reason produce... bestanother called open letter??? Someone talked about 4 album of Bruford (the band) with J. Berlin. I know One of a kind, feels good to me and gradually going tornado but what is the fourth? So it was the today's quizz. Thanx to everyone who will take from his (her) time to answer me. Olivier ial cluster and the tooth mother. Is there album called "loose tube" and [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] GIG REVIEWS [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:35:30 -0600 (CST) From: Philip A Patston Subject: Thoughts on KC in Chicago 1. It was 11:55am in the middle of Iowa. I needed a phone. Tickets for KC went on sale at noon. I found a phone. 30 minutes later I was still trying to get through. Finally I was connected. 20 minutes later I am still holding. But by 1pm I have my tickets for the concert..... 2. The seats are way to the right and Bill Bruford is hidden behind a bank of speakers..thanks Ticketmaster for the great seats sold to the enthusisatic individuals whi get their tickets early. 3. Rosemont Theatre is spacious, new and smoke free. Plenty of parking which is very easy to get out of at the end. Lots of clean restrooms (US speak) or toilets (UK speak). 4. The concert....as expected. I'm sure that others will go into detail. After seeing the set lists posted for the other concerts on ET the set seemed pretty much as expected. The show was the 100th and last one in the current tour. 5. Adrian Belew was having fun and burned up the stage. But ... why did he do a solo of the "Free as a bird", the "new" Lennon/Beatles song? Was it a parody or was it serious? He didn't know the lyrics and it really seemed out of place. 6. Robert Fripp was well lit the whole time, and not hidden in shadows as I had expected. Being placed between the percussionists he was clearly visible. He took a bow with the band at the end and was hugged by Belew who also shook his hand. He did scan the auditorium and clearly he could see the many empty seats in the balcony. Surprisingly not a sold out show. Great show! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: E#KIRKD at ccmail dot ceco dot com Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 13:58:37 CST Subject: King Crimson at the Rosemont Theatre (Chicago) 11/29/95 Hello fellow ETers! King Crimson and the CGT played at the brand new Rosemont Theatre last night and put on a show to end all shows, which was fitting seeing as this was the final show of the year for them. In fact, as Adrian let us know, this was indeed "an historic night", as it was also the 100th concert by the current band. May there be many, many more! I attended the show with fellow ETers, Phil and Jonathan Yandel (of "Trey Gunn does this and that in THRAK and B'BOOM" fame), and we got there about 7pm. In response to Frank Mundo's call to meet up with other ETers we went across the street to the Holiday Inn to see if we might stumble across one another. Just as we were leaving to head back to the Rosemont Theatre we did cross paths. Its always interesting how the Internet can bring people together. We then went in and checked out the t-shirts and other stuff for sale. It looked to me that the selection was about the same as at the summer gigs, with the addition of the "album covers" t-shirt (by the way the bottom cover of the "earth head" is from the "Young Person's Guide..." - someone was asking). I picked up a red VROOOM cover tour t-shirt which listed all the cities for both legs of the tour. I also got Sergei Kantere his tour booklet he was asking someone to pick up for him in ET 246. I figured the likelihood someone else might do so too was slim. Look for it in the mail soon Sergei, and hopefully one day soon, KC will blow any remaining walls in Russia down. We soon headed for our hard earned 8th row seats. Just a quick word on the venue. This place holds 4500 people. It just opened a couple of months ago. I'd say that there were about 4300 people there. A good crowd. Only the remote balcony corners were empty. The band was set up about 20 feet deep on stage. We had good views of everyone except Bruford who was mostly obscured by his drum set. The CGT came on at 8pm. They were terrific. I believe they played the same selections as at previous shows. (Their performance also provided a good indication that this was going to be a good crowd, as people only whooped it up when the moment was right. From where I was this seemed to be a very well behaved crowd.) Were I a professional reviewer I'd refer to specific tunes, still the level of skill and clarity with which they performed amazed. The crowd gave them one much deserved standing ovation after another. There was one particular piece in which each player played the next note in sequence, giving the effect that only one guitar was playing. I'm no musician, but I can imagine that the level of concentration to succesfully pull that off is intense. Because of his seating position, Paul Richards was able to take occasional glimpses of the audience and pick up the good vibes that were bouncing all around the theater. Once again Toccata in Fugue sent shivers up my spine. The audience gave them a final standing ovation as they headed off stage. After about 15 minutes of watching the stage hands get everything set for the night's main attraction, the lights dimmed and Bruford, Mastelotto, and Belew came on stage. Bruford and Mastelotto pounded out an increasingly louder and faster drum beat as Bruford kept count. Both drummers were hitting the skins with such force it drew visible grimaces of effort from their faces. Then the others came on stage. Court was in session! Then it was one highlight after another: Thela, Red, Frame... Belew was radiating his enjoyment right from the very start. It was clear that they were all enjoying playing tonight, and why not - this was their last show of the year. I sensed that after 99 shows this band was performing at such a level, I cannot imagine how they could improve even further. I'd love to think a future release will include something from this show - it was outstanding. The show continued into Fripp's Soundscapes, which were mesmerizing. Fripp seemed to be barely doing anything, yet the hall was awash in sound. Soundscapes begat B'Boom, B'Boom begat THRAK, THRAK begat... magic! The THRAK improv section was at least twice as long as this summer. It seemed to continue for 10, maybe 15 minutes, and Fripp really let fly here. This alone was worth the price of admission. Some people afterward claimed they heard SaBB somewhere in all that. What I heard were six musicians giving birth to concepts, themes, nuances... music leaning over and taking us into its confidence? Maybe. Things moved into Neurotica without any pause, and my memory fails me from there. I admit I may not have the trained musician's ear, but I cannot recall hearing any mistakes, miscues, miseffects, or whatever. The band was truly running on all cylinders. The crowd roared its approval as the band took its bows. There were two encores. Again, I only wish I had written my thoughts down last night, as my memory fails me on exactness, but they did perform another drum performance that this time included Belew. Bruford and Mastelotto looked like they were encouraging Belew throughout. Great fun. Then Belew stayed on stage alone and played... "Free as a Bird". Having been overseas the past two weeks I hadn't yet heard this tune (really!) - it seemed that Adrian hadn't memorized all the words yet either. It was a nice moment. The concert ended on a full circle for me as they played VROOOM, which in June was what they opened with. That track has grown on me and now rubs shoulders with the likes of Red and LTiA II as far as I'm concerned. Then it was goodbye, as Soundscapes swept us out of the hall with smiles on our faces. I picked up the CGT's Invitation CD, and asked for their signatures for Sergei's tour booklet I had bought earlier. I got the impression from talking to Paul Richards that he was keeping up with the ET digests. When he reads ET 246 he'll have a better idea what I was up to. Then we headed outside to the loading docks in the hope we'd get a few signatures from the band. Unfortunately, this being their final show, they were occupied with post tour celebrating, and only Adrian left before we finally gave up at 12:15am. I at least was able to add Adrian's signature to Sergei's booklet. He reiterated that they'd be back again next summer. As an example of his demeanor with fans, he very patiently stood with two fans for a photo for a good minute while another fan tried to get the flash to work on his camera - unfortunately to no avail. Ne'er fear, Adrian says, you'll always have the memory. Indeed. We left cold and chilled by the frigid night air, yet warmed by the memory of wonderful evening. Au revoir. Dan -- Daniel A. Kirkdorffer | "Though the course may change sometimes Email: e#kirkd at ccmail dot ceco dot com | rivers always reach the sea." R. Plant DanKirkd at aol dot com +----------------------------------------- WWW: http://users.aol.com/dankirkd/danhome.html [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:44:54 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Chesser Subject: Jeff Berlin and Columbus review. I have heard mention of Jeff Berlin and I thought I might add that he was on tour with John McLaughlin in 1988 , The best Damn guitarist in the Land with Robert Fripp a close second . Don't flam me I stare at the sun all day and your flames would be small in comparison. Now for my review of K.C. in Columbus , Ohio. The show was held at the beautiful Palace Theatre . I am a rover when it comes to concerts so bare with me. CGT open up with there normal preformance . The Palace was about 1/2 full this night but the acoustics were not compariable to the last time I had seen Crimson , in Columbus that is, at the dreg of concert pits known only as the Agora ,1981 tour. The show started at 8:10 PM with Pat & Bill Thrumming along then came a very powerful Thela Hum Ginjeet followed by Frame by Frame. At the end of FXF A.B. says "Thank you , So Far" ,this must have been in response to prior bogus activities at previous gigs. The crowd was in their best behavoir, silence was the normal unlike many previous show's on this tour. Red , RED , red a great song played in a fabulously and very strong, as only this song diserves. At the end all needed to adjust their equipment while the crowd chanted "BRUFORD" w/ a RED backbeat. At this piont A.B. starts into Dinosaur , the stick jam is long . at the end of Dino - A.B. sings a "Thank You" from there they go into The caribean sounding One Time. A.B. soft singing is lovely. T.L. leads into a T.G. solo then the moment I had been waiting for R.F. Leadin to VROOM VROOOM w/ the drum filler from L > R then R > L B'Boom - Thrak . From here we return to Neurotica when finished A.B. says "Thank You" obviously this was the 3rd time he had yelled Thank you because it is now time for 3 of a perfect Pair . When finished with 3 A.B. yells "Anybody Hurt". Now is the time for Sex, Sleep, Eat, Drink , DREEEEEEam. Then we have the Bassjammin' Stix T.G. loses nothing. This is the point when an individual from the bacony yells "To Loud, Your Beautiful musicians it doesn't need to be like this" I hate to say it but I feel he was correct in that the sound was to loud for this venue but he never saw the Agora show. Elephant Talk , a crowd favorite , with a purple glow . Next we have Indiscipline , Indiscipline , Indiscipline , wow I must be in distress. This was the final song from the main set and the crowd wanted more giving all a standing ovation . You kow what this means don't you ? Answer , More Music. The first encore consisted of Walking on Air and then VROOOM while A.B. guitar moved as if it were a conductors stick. The second encore started with the drum trio B.B.,Pat,R.F. then B'Bish and finally we ended up with LTIA pt2 which finished at 10:10. The musicians were in their standard order , facing the stage : Pat R.F. B.B. ^ White/Black shirt Black/white shirt Yellow along with his drums. T.G. A.B. T.L. White Shirt Black/white shirt White/Black Shirt A great concert albeit a bit loud for my liking and quite a few others. Peace, GDCII [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 17:43:43 EST From: "Evans, Tom" Subject: King Crimson in Springfield, MA Hello fellow Crimson fans! As this is my first post, I would like to thank Toby for the most excellent job he continues to do with this digest! Having subscribed for about 6 months now, I still read every post. I have seen Crimson 4 times now. The first show I saw was in Syracuse NY at the Landmark Theatre on the Discipline tour. The show in Springfield gave me a strong feeling of deja vu, as the venues are similar. Though Fripp doesn't get up off that stool as much as he used to, Crimson is as intense as ever. Having seen the band in Boston in June, I feel that the Springfield show was better. The set list was just relentless. No "One Time", no "Walking on Air". There was just no break in the intensity at all. The addition of Thela and Neurotica was welcome and the little solo sections were impressive. If these guys keep playing, there next album is going to be VERY SCARY! Highlights of the show included the middle section of SSEDD, where Bruford does that hi-hat/snare thing as Pat just hammers the down beat; Pat's shadowing of Bruford's snare work on a few tunes; and the middle of Thrak. There were signs up in the lobby indicating that no one would be seated during the performance. During the silence in the middle of Thrak, the band faked out the staff, and they started letting people back to their seats as the band crashed into the last refrain. Pretty amusing. Being a drummer, I jump at any chance to see Bruford. I have seen him with KC, with ABWH, with Patrick Moraz, and with Earthworks. He never disappoints. The work he has done with Crimson, where he just plays all around the beat, where he just goes off, then comes back in perfect time, is more than enough reason to live. At this show, it seemed that it took Bill awhile to warm up. From my seat on the left side of the orchestra, I had a perfect sight line to Bruford and couldn't see Mastelotto at all. It wasn't really until SSEDD that Bill started playing his trademark accents and riffs. Yes, there were brief explosions in Red and Neurotica, but mostly Bill was just playing the 2 and 4 snare hits. Maybe he was just letting Pat get some before he went off the deep end. The drumming in Neurotica seemed most tame, particularly in the last verse, where (on the original recording) Bill perfectly accents the lyrics before Adrian says "So long" and the song rides off into the sunset. Other than that small complaint (which would only be noticed by a drummer, maybe), this show was a killer. This band can play anything it wants. Old stuff, new stuff, making it all seem appropriate for the current time and place. I come away from this show wanting to never want to play drums again and also wanting to go home and practice for ever....I can only hope that they have a few more years in them before they leave us again. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 02:51:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Erik D. Depoy" Subject: KC-Longacre 11-20 Just as the CGT took the stage, some rude individual audibly cried out, "Nice Sunglasses!!!", obviously aimed at Hideyo Moriya. He seemed hardly fazed, judging by his non-reaction (I'm sure RF prepared him for this type of eventuality during one of his many Guitar Craft courses). Then the music began (but what an awkward moment, this being KC's and CGT's first show of a five night stand on Broadway). The CGT played a typically exciting set, starting at exactly 8 PM and ending at 8:30 PM (really, I looked at my watch). After about 15-20 min., Adrian walked onstage and without a word did "Free As A Bird" (the synth-guitar parts were great, even Adrian laughed midway through it was so great). The Beatles recognition factor (the famous (infamous) Beatles documentary aired the night before) just heightened the KC expectation factor. A very high moment it was. Then Thela Hun Ginjeet. RF got my attention when he began the end solo. Red was just a wall of sound. I skip to Indiscipline, wherein Adrian, before the rap segment says, "Uh oh, here we go again..." (accompanied by laughs and knowing cheers). A really tremendous jam followed (REALLY BIG). "Sex" was the vehicle for an even greater jam (a rapid big-time Adrian-hopping one). We saw RF laugh! It happened when B.B. dropped a stick rather obviously just at the end of the Stix segment (the trio percussion one). RF reacted to BB's self-deprecating grin (we all laughed with him). It showed that the band was not only loose, but clearly enjoying their first night on Broadway. Indiscipline featured a speeded-up Adrian rap (no chance to yell "Did You?!", thankfully). But what a tremendous jam followed! It was really, really big. After, Adrian said, "What can we do after that one?". Obviously, an invitation for loud requests. The award for that night goes to the gentleman who requested "Let It Be" (this one MUST have been a joke!). Second prize goes to the one who wanted to hear "Fracture" (not a bad request, but if that person had been reading ET, they would have realized that this song won't be played by this formation, at least for this tour). King Crimson's first night on Broadway was a really good show (I was fortunate to have had sixth row seats). The sound was loud yet clear, I did not need ear-plugs although I was right in front of the left speaker stacks. Just loud enough without being too loud. Even though I was virtually in the same seat for the Saturday night show (11-25), I still didn't need earplugs. Kudos to Mr. Soundman (by the way, anyone know Mr. Soundman, like, does he have any extra tapes etc...). As a final note, the New York Times reviewed KC in the 11-22-95 edition. Normally a very critical paper, I was glad the paper recognized KC as being an extraordinary ensemble. Frankly, the NYT would have been foolish not to have done so. I await their next review (Spring-Summer '96?). [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 02:04:21 -0600 From: dziura jordan andrew Subject: Chicago show, faith rekindled Long-time lurker, first-time poster...thanx for the forum, Toby. Just witnessed the best concert of my life. Won't bore you all with set lists or lengthy descriptions. To summarize: Much tighter than the spring tour, fantastic additions of Thela, Neurotica, and much more improvisation. Rosemont Theater is an excellent new venue. Great sound, good views. As a birthday present, I took my 44-year-old father to the show. After nearly 25 years as a semi-professional rock musician, he told me of his disenchantment with the state of modern popular music and his recent considerations of retirement from "the scene." He even referred to himself as a "dinosaur" (never having heard any of the new KC!). I told him to take some tips from the night's performance and reconsider. As we drove home from the show, he glowed with enthusiasm as he told me how KC had rekindled his faith in music as art and the ability of "old-timers" to stay on the edge. It was truly inspirational to see another person I care about be touched so personally by this phenomenal ensemble of musicians. One last note of interest: As AB announced that the night's "historic" show was the 100th for the current incarnation and the final of the tour, he promised a return next summer. HALLELUJAH! Oh yeah, one more thing ... To the ETer who mentioned "Pictures of a City": Yes, a phenomenal song. One of my personal faves, also. Some of the most viscious-sounding riffs I have ever heard Fripp produce. Gotta go--No late seating ... Jordan Dziura || j-dziura at ux1 dot cso dot uiuc dot edu The Daily Illini @ Champaign.IL.USA [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] The views expressed in Elephant Talk are those of the individual authors only. Elephant Talk is released for the personal use of readers. No commercial use may be made of the material unless permission is granted by the author. Toby Howard, Elephant Talk editor. http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/staff-db/toby-howard.html toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]