From elephant-talk at arastar dot comWed Nov 22 10:46:05 1995 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 18:36:28 +0800 From: elephant-talk at arastar dot com Reply to: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: elephant-talk at anthor dot arastar dot com Subject: Elephant-talk digest v95 #243 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 243, Tuesday, 21 November 1995 Today's Topics: Many things... Re: Lyrics, Vocals, blah blah blah... Questions, questions The sinister nature of the double trio logo Synchroncity On reducing bandwidth More on KC live box sets Correction to my New Haven (11/18) posting Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #240 Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #242 Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #242 ET subm for nxt ET Ingested substances: get a life Robert Fripp: Tai Chi Expert Free Bird Shred this! The show KC on TV in europe REVIEW Review: Springfield MA KC in New Haven, 11/18 TIX Tickets [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] POSTS: Please send all posts to toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk The ET archives: WWW Home: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/et/ Topic Index: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/topics-index/etopics.html FAQ: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/faq.html FTP The Americas: ftp.qualcomm.com, in /pub/et Rest of world: ftp.cs.man.ac.uk, in /pub/toby/elephant-talk EMAIL Send "index elephant-talk" to listserv at arastar dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] FROM THE MODERATOR [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] In future, this section will appear in each ET, listing those topics which general ET opinion (expressed to me by private email please -- toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk) now holds to be "expired". Posts on these topics will (reluctantly) be diverted to a secret file with which I will one day spam the Internet. :-) THE EXPIRED LIST 1. KC on Conan 2. Fripp-off 3. Things that hit Fripp on the head 4. Larks Tongues in Aspic in "Emanuelle" 5. Why and when people shout FREEBIRD. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 13:07:56 EST From: david at visix dot com (David Charlap) Subject: Many things... RE: Pete Sinfield, rpeck at pure dot com (Ray Peck) writes: > >You're not, and I agree completely. Especially the part about Sinfield's >lyrics making it embarrasing to share the music. It's bad enough that his >hackneyed junior-high purple-bedroom "poetry" tainted KC, but he had to go >do the same to ELP, too. "go do the same to..."? Do you think Pete marched into ELP's studio and took over the album completely on his own? Did it ever occur to you that he was invited? Nobody (not even Pete Sinfield) can take over a band's writing without some form of approval from the band. If you object to those lyrics, fine, but don't heap all the blame on one person. The bands he's written for all approved of his work. If they didn't, then they wouldn't have used them in the songs. RE: live requests, saustin at onramp dot net writes: > >I think his point was that it's ridiculous to yell out things like "Cat >Food" at these guys who obviously have had to re-re-re-review their >collective repertoir and rehearse these things enough to make a good >rendering of the KC that has evolved to be. This is true for nearly all bands. Shouting out requests is almost always an act of futility. Any band with complicted songs is not going to be able to play an unrehearsed song on stage. At least not in any way that would sound good. I was at only one concert where shouting requests sorta worked. I won't say who it is, out of respect to artist. The show was in a very small dinner-theater type club. The show had ended. The audience kept applauding for more. After a few minutes, the lead singer and the pianist came out and did an impromptu performance of one of the shouted songs. It wasn't the entire song, and it was much simpler than the original version. But I think that's the best you can expect if the band didn't rehearse the song in advance. >If you don't like the way people around you are expressing themselves, tell >them. Maybe where you live. You try that in New York city and you're liable to end up with a knife in your gut. Even at a KC show. >If they don't compromise, get away from them. Not possible at most venues. Seats are assigned. You'll be thrown out if you start wandering the theater looking for other seats. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:02:23 -0200 From: Tefkros Symeonides Subject: Re: Lyrics, Vocals, blah blah blah... In ET #241, crimson at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk wrote: >Believe me, I'm trying to forget Sinfield...there's nothing remotely >clever about stringing together one meaningless line of >tum-te-tum-te-tum words after another. I consider this subject closed so I won't answer to that highly exaggerated ("tum-te-tum"???) and offensive statement; I'll just say a simple ********************** * SINFIELD RULES OK! * ********************** >> "I need to feel your heartbeat heartbeat > >I also agree that these are dreadful. Good! >Now to my point - why bother to have a vocalist at all? Well, that's not the point really... >Crimson has never been exactly blessed with the >best vocalists; Lake's voice is thin and reedy, Haskell always sounds >like he has a towel stuffed halfway down his throat and Burrell's sense >of phrasing and cadence are best described as being 'mechanical'. Wetton >was okay, but I find Belew uninsprising. ..but I strongly disagree to what you said! Haskell is pretty bad, sure, Burrell is not much better (except on "The Letters"), and Belew is usually quite bland, though on THRAK he sounds like he's been practicing :) You find Wetton to be "okay", I disagree (listen to the live 73-74 "Schizoid Man" and you'll see why). And finally, IMNSHO, Lake has one of the best voices ever in progressive rock! I'm not sure what you mean by "thin and reedy", but his talent is unquestionable. >So why bother with them? The lyrics mean nothing particularly impressive Ahem. >and Crimson's power has *always* been in the music rather than the >singer - their best moments are definitely achieved when the vocalist >shuts the hell up and the band simply *plays*. Arguably correct in certain cases... >Once excuse for having a vocalist is that it gives the audience/listener >some focal point on which they can root their experience. I would be >depressed if Crimson were pandering to that particular mentality. It's >about as justifiable as sticking to 108 b.p.m. with a mandatory catchy >chorus. ..but I believe vocals are as essential as any instrument as far as rock of any sort is concerned. I'm sure other people will agree; if you have a good vocalist and good lyrics you have good music. Regards, Tefkros Symeonides [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:52:58 -0500 (EST) From: Gideon B Banner Subject: Questions, questions What did Tony Levin do before joining Crimson and in between the 80s incarnation and the 90s incarnation? I know he's played with Gabriel and I know about the solo album, but where was he in between? Anyone noticed that TG's album _One Thousand Years_, besides being heavily influenced by Soundscapes and the LoCG, sounds a lot like Eno at times (constant semi-tribal percussion, light vocals, heavily layered textures, etc.)? Since he's switched to a Warr Guitar on tour, has TG changed any of the lines that he plays? Frankly, I had trouble hearing him in concert so I couldn't pick out any major differences. And is Warr Guitar technique the same as Stick technique? From what I know, Stick playing involves (1) hitting or tapping the strings and (2) plucking as with a bass. But with the Warr Guitar in concert TG seemed to use both of these techniques and (3) a sort of strumming with all (?) of the fingers with the right hand. Is this the case? I've got it set for repeat.... [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:56:10 -0600 From: vanvalnc at is2 dot nyu dot edu (Chris Van Valen) Subject: The sinister nature of the double trio logo Help! I don't know what this logo is, but right now one of them is crawling up my arm!!!AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGHHHH!!!! :-O See some of you Wednesday night at the Longacre (Row M, Seat 14 & 16) Cheers, CV I've got to get dressed to go out of my mind. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:55:29 -0500 From: Cahalan at aol dot com Subject: Synchroncity A few issues ago, a subscriber mentioned a few intriguing coincidences having to do with King Crimson music. I have one to share that is pretty cool. My best friend from college and I (Hi Kristi) were walking toward the cafe on a Sunday afternoon. You know those heavy-paper cups that come from a coffee/hot cocoa vending machine? Well, one of those blew across the street and it sounded exactly like the stick intro to The Sheltering Sky. We looked at each other in amazement because we both recognized it. Sure would love to see *that* live! Kathleen [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Jon Jorstad (PRO) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 14:16:01 PST Subject: On reducing bandwidth I don't understand why there have been so many redundant ET postings lately. Historically, this has been an excellent list. In the interest of reducing this practice, I suggest the following: 1) Stifle the impulse to simply respond, "Yeah, me, too." or "I agree." to a previous post. Perhaps you're a little too enamored with yourself if that's all you have to say. 2) If you must get personal, do so privately. Don't post it. Toby has already addressed this, so I won't elaborate. I'm grateful that Toby has the fortitude to filter the offensive posts. I'm sure we're not missing anything. 3) Please end the Conan TV appearance thread. Your .02 can't possibly add anything signficant to the discussion. ET posters have historically been courteous about avoiding multiple reviews of the same concert; the same courtesy should apply here. 4) I'd also like to see a halt to the "my encounter with RF or the band" thread. I suspect I'm not the only person who could care less about this. To me, RF as musician is seperate from RF as person. Of course, they are also linked, and one affects the other, but it's more than a little wierd to be obsessed with the latter. I get uncomfortable reading most of these posts. And, honestly, most of them are not unique experiences, either. It's all rather boring. ET is the best music list on the net! We all need to take responsibility in maintaining that excellence. Jon [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 17:33:23 -0500 From: matottls at craft dot camp dot clarkson dot edu (Loren S. Matott) Subject: More on KC live box sets I was reading the booklet that comes with TGD the other day and in an interview RF stated that he envisioned doing box sets for each version of the group. That is, box sets of each group performing live. Obviously, he is pretty busy with the currrent KC tour et al, so don't hold your breath on the issue date. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 20 Nov 95 14:13:42 EST From: Jon Johnson <76614 dot 3063 at compuserve dot com> Subject: Correction to my New Haven (11/18) posting How did I mess this up? The 11/18 show was at the *Palace* in New Haven; not at the Strand. How I came up with Strand is beyond me; maybe because of the Roxy Music song "Do the Strand" (also former EG clients) or maybe because I'm taking German right now and "Strand" is German for "beach," which is the usual wishful thinking if you're living in New England in November like I am. But, chiefly, I chalk it up to getting home at 2am and having about five hours of sleep before I posted my message. Maybe I should have posted a slightly longer review of the New Haven show, but my anger at the behavior of a few jerks in the audience got the better of me. (Next time stay at home with your beef jerky and pork rinds, you pinheads!) For those of you who weren't there, it was a great show. The PALACE has nice sound and very comfortable seats; lots of leg room, which is nice when you're 6'1" like I am. The set list, with the exception of Adrian's solo rendition of John Lennon's "Free as a Bird," was pretty similar to the other recent shows that have been posted, so I won't bother. "Theela Hun Jinjeet" and "Neurotica" were welcome additions to the set. As someone had previously noted, this is a KC line-up that can realistically take a crack at any song from any era of the group and expect to pull it off. Thought they've only performed instrumentals >from the '72-'74 line-up, it'd be interesting to hear them try one or two vocal tracks from that era as well. Not that they're lacking in great '80's and '90's songs. It would just be...interesting. The story about Zappa stopping a concert when a plunger was tossed onstage was great. I can just picture it. A similar story I heard--perhaps apocryphal--was a mid-'70's Blue Oyster Cult concert in Long Island. About four songs into the set someone tossed a bottle of liquor onstage and it shattered. The band left the stage and refused to return; end of story. And I, for one, will admit that I cried like a baby at the end of tonight's Beatles program on ABC when they played "Free as a Bird." --Jon Johnson 76614,3063 at compuserve dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 18:01:00 EST From: michael jeter Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #240 A Stick(R) is A Stick, but A Warr Guitar is not. Emmett Chapman has worked very hard to get patents and copyrights to insure that the terms Stick or Chapman StickR do not become generic terms in the way that the guitar is. Both the Stick and The Warr Guitar are TouchStyle instruments(that is, instruments played primarily by touching or tapping, as opposed to strumming or picking) but they are not alike in the way that Gibsons and Fenders are. Trey was playing a Chapman Stick when the album was made. he switched to the Warr Guitar on tour. As far as Jobson's Acrylic VLN, I wonder if that technology was available to Davkid Cross, and, if so, why he didn't use it. Michael Jeter [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Ashley Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #242 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:16:34 -0600 (CST) Not to beat a dead horse, but I'm clueless. Why does most of the ET group berate those who want to hear 21CSM at concerts? I know it's as old as dirt, but has Fripp said that he doesn't want to play it anymore? With the current lineup, it would be quite interesting. Ashley Morris http://sushi.st.usm.edu/~hamorris Tulane University Send Abogados, Armas, y Dinero [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:14:48 -0500 (EST) From: Gideon B Banner Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #242 Someone mentioned about ten issues back that they thought that the soundscapes playing during the intermissions of the shows were played backstage by Fripp. After seeing the New Haven show, I know this to be impossible -- soundscapes were playing when RF walked in and began to overlay his own sounds on top of them. I am rather certain that the soundscapes played during the intermission were from "A Blessing of Tears". (I have no idea what was played before the show -- odd stuff, but I didn't recognize it.) My question: the intermission lasted about ten minutes or more -- but none of the songs on "ABoT" are that long -- so were these from the album or from some other source? Anyone know in which ET issue was posted the listing of Trey Gunn's part on all of the THRAK songs? Oh, and could whoever did that perhaps do a similar post for the songs on "The Bridge Between" -- I'd be mighty thankful. I continue to be angered over all of the anti-drug posting going on. I'm not necessarily angry because of other people's opinions on the subject -- this isn't really the right forum to discuss the issue, much as I'd like to. It's that people keep using my name, referring to me as some loud, stoned, drunk, crazed lunatic stereotypical of certain fans at KC shows. Please have a bit more kindness. What I do with my body and mental state really is my business and I don't need to be lambasted for it. Besides, I probably would yell less at a KC concert were I stoned than if I were sober like the majority of the rest of y'all. I hate loud drunk fools just as much as everyone else -- therefore to be called one is a bit insulting. On the "Freebird" trail, a friend once played a Phish bootleg for me (I believe it was from winter of 94, somewhere in the South). After they came back on stage, a group of people in the audience yelled out "Freebird". In response, Phish did a four-part a capella version of Freebird, complete with guitar solo and all. Both parody and homage. Imagine if KC were to play "Freebird". [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:43:21 -0800 From: "Jeffrey A. Weinberger" Subject: ET Regarding Clive's recent attempt to decode the speeded up bit on "Exposure", I recall that reading that a complete talk by J.G. Bennett had been speeded up into four seconds. I recall that the actual talk was over an hour long. If we assume that it was one hour, the talk would have to be speeded up nine hundred times normal speed to be four seconds long. Portions of the original recording occurring at 2,000 Hz would be shifted up to 1,800,000 Hz. Compact discs filter out frequencies above 20 kHz, and I would speculate that even the original master tape could not be converted back into intelligable speech. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:55:19 -0500 From: gadget at ultratech dot net (R.D. Collins) Subject: subm for nxt ET Greeting's all,...cheer's to Toby I've been auditing ET for a few month's now, and I guess it's time to offer a few item's up for reflection, debate or debunk ?. -Anyone notice that the coda on "People", bare's resemblance to the Beatles "I want you (she's so heavy)" could this be a modest tribute to the fab four?. -Does anyone out there have any reflections to share on attending the "crafty" guitar program ?,I had the application years back but could not attend due to prior commitments and a general lack of funds. -I have yet to see anyone mention RF excursions with Andy Summers,at the time of their release (circa '82) I found the experimental guitar duet's inspiring as I was just breaking out of the barre' chord mentality of my teens.And I am happily recreating the sound from those releases on my guitar synth today much to my delight. -And as a last item I wonder if anyone out there ever saw Fripp's "self contained human unit" (or something like that) solo tour in the early 80's...it was another sobering experience for a young musician, but I can reflect on the details at another time. Here in Neurotica................So Long "everything in moderation, including moderation" R.D. Collins gadget at ultratech dot net [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:09:44 -0600 (CST) From: Martin Wagner Subject: Ingested substances: get a life In response to the person who asked what "substances" would be good to take before a KC show (and who has already gotten some amusing replies), I must say that, without sounding like a member of the anti-drug gestapo, I really find it sad and in fact a bit pathetic that some people cannot get any enjoyment in life unless they are, to put it bluntly, fucked up. In relation to King Crimson's live performance, well, this is an awesome event to behold, and if you really need to put yourself in an altered state in order to appreciate it, then all I can say is that you must be dead from the neck up. Here endeth the sermon, Martin [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Paolo Valladolid Subject: Robert Fripp: Tai Chi Expert Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:13:14 -0800 (PST) > Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 17:11:30 -0600 > From: medtek at ghgcorp dot com (Sandra J. Prow) > Subject: More Fripp Behaviour > > >Robert's attitude seems to be heavily focused on Zen and stuff like > >that. Does anyone know if he trains in Martial Arts. He look like > >a Tai Chi guy to me. . . > > I have read somewhere that you are correct, he has practiced Tai Chi in the > past. On the same note, I guess I'm more sensitive to the "being left I doubt you would be able to tell a Tai Chi master by sight unless he/she was actually practicing the art in front of you. Tai Chi is one of the Chinese internal martial arts. One objective of the internal arts is to master them without showing outward signs of such knowledge. Thus a Tai Chi master doing everyday things like walking, sitting, etc. would be indistinguishable from an untrained person. Tai Chi attracts all types of personalities. Our teacher warned us about the more competitive types who might approach one of us while practicing Tai Chi, say, in a park to challenge that person to Tai Chi Push Hands just to see if he/she is better at it. Generally though as one achieves a higher level of mastery of Tai Chi (I'm talking about the complete art, not just the "slow set" exercise forms that are practiced widely for health benefits) one becomes less inclined to use it on another person. This is true of the other martial arts as well. I think that's why you don't see 10th degree black belts in Ultimate Fight.^_^ -- Paolo Valladolid ----------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ----------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado at waynesworld dot ucsd dot edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 21 Nov 95 01:42:18 EST From: "Neil J. Cavanagh" <76111 dot 3636 at compuserve dot com> Subject: Free Bird I realize this topic is moving away from KC but decided to respond anyway, in the hope that my personal viewpoint may alter some readers' perspectives. I can hardly believe that some ET readers are the ones yelling for "Free Bird" at KC concerts (or any other concerts.) While their honesty is somewhat admirable, in my opinion their behavior is completely ignorant and lacking in respect for the artists. (If you are turned off already by my uptight "Frippish" snobbery, please, feel free to skip this post.) As a professional musician I myself have heard this song "requested," and its incidence is increasing on a frightening scale. The strangest and most unfortunate occasion was at a Mahavishnu Orchestra Tribute show for which I had the privilege of organizing, and playing guitar. What the "Free Bird" request means to me in such a situation is this: 1) This person has no respect for his fellow concert attendees nor the performers. People have paid money to hear the artist perform; not he. If anyone is in the position to "make a joke," as the FB request has been referred to, it is the entertainers on the stage. 2) This person doesn't care to exercise discriminative behavior. He does not view any performance differently from another. "Rock music" sounds all the same to him and thusly prompts him to act in a routine manner at every such gathering. 3) This person is most likely here for free, or is not familiar with the performer's material. If he is he probably is only familiar with work from 20 years earlier, to which he has attached an infantile obsession. I think its great if old fans want to come to the shows. My experience at the Boston show in June was that most of these people believe they are still in their living room circa 1970, and enjoy calling attention to this. Hardcore KC fans understand that Crimson "responds to enthusiasm." Unfortunately enthusiasm for one's own selfish need to draw attention to oneself is hardly an inspiration. I believe the FB call is heard by most performers as, not a "joke", but a heckle; a "We don't understand what you're doing and we don't care." If the audiences of the world have transformed it into an inside joke and a call to unity, or find cynical humor in the juxtaposition of Lynyrd Skynrd 's music and "Thrak," so be it. For me personally, whether performing or appreciating, it is and always will be an unwelcome nuisance. I know I am only another faceless fool calling for people to shut up and listen, and this is futile. However, it is my hope that this post may make at least one person reconsider their usage of the "Free Bird" request. This topic is very likely soon to be off limits here (for the best?) so personal replies/comments/flames/whatever will be received at njc at tiac dot net or 76111,3636 at compuserve dot com but I do not promise a reply. Neil http://www.tiac.net/users/njc [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: drl at eng dot cam dot ac dot uk Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 10:55:16 GMT Subject: Shred this! To fill the void left by all those missing "Fripp-off"/"KCon Conan"/etc threads (God bless that moderator!), I have a question or two for all you musicians out there. 1. How does Fripp play the repeating 6 demisemiquaver phrase at the start of "Frame by Frame"? (I hope there's a trick to it but I wouldn't be too surprised if he just picks the hell out of it). 2. Would any stick playing reader care to suggest how to play the riff just after the intro trills of Elephant Talk? 3. 10 points to anyone who comes up with a way to play the intro from Sleepless. 4. And finally, for those devotees of the famous-but-not-a-jerk-about-it Adrian Belew: any ideas how to play the guitar part of the intro to Swingline. Maybe long answers would best be e-mailed to me directly rather than the list? (How do *you* feel about people sending TAB and other forms of transcription to ET Toby?). Ciao, David [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:45:54 -0500 From: Moore00712 at aol dot com Subject: The show I saw KC in NYC on the 11/20 at the Longacre Theater and it burned. The best show I have ever seen. Hope you cought them on this tour, any real KC fans would kill to see this show. Just a small note, Belew played the new Beatles song as the opener, it kicked ass. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:32:50 +0200 (EET) From: Gil Kotton Subject: KC on TV in europe I think the conan show featuring KC will be broadcast on NBC SUPERCHANNEL in europe and the middle east on saturday nov, 25 at midnight central europe time. (this is just my guess). I will post if I have a confirmation. Israeli ET'ers can reach me at gkotton at actcom dot co dot il Toby , keep up the good work Yehuda Kotton [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] REVIEWS [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 14:47:56 -0800 From: Rick Mascarini Organization: CCS - Automation Subject: Review: Springfield MA Hello all, Once again (and it never ceases to amaze me) a very fine performance by the Crimson King in Springfield MA. This is the third time this year I've had the good fortune to be available for music making of such power. Some observations from this truely memorable evening: 1 - Nice venue. Clean, wonderfully kept and a very charming decor. 2 - Kind ushers and service staff. We arrive early (my Wife and I) and asked if they knew of any good vegitarian eateries within resonable walking distance of the theater. Low and behold - Indian food!... and only two doors down the street from the Paramount! (BTW - I highly recommend this place, Sitar, if ever in Springfield MA.) 3 - Great seats. Tenth row orchestra, center isle! (seats 1 & 3) Perfect! 4 - Very interesting music prior to show. I ventured back to the mixing deck and asked what was being played. I was told Guitar as Orchestra, new Adrian Belew release. Very interesting, reminiscent of early Frank Zappa orchestral pieces (Lumpy Gravy et.al.) I introduced my- self and thanked the mixer-man. He in turn,introduces himself (George Glossip) and say "Nice of you to come out to the show". We shared a laugh and I returned to my seat, he to his work. 5 - CGT really knocked everyone's socks off! A short yet effective set, no oncore. Two of the three guitarist are now using Taylor Guitars (I believe either 812C or 912C models) and the other one using a different Ovation model (an Adamas). One new piece of music, quite lovely. 6 - KC take the stage. B'Booming, Thraking and allsorts for nearly two hours! Varoom, it seemed like they just got started when the show was over! What struck me differently this outing was the "King" was out for souls ... the power was kept at maximum levels, trottle up and heads down! This was not for the weak at heart. Gone from this show were "One Time", "Walking on Air" and "Heartbeat" - ballad material usually set against the more extended "pin your ears to the walls" type pieces. Even Matte Kudasai, the only ballad performed, seemed to have an edge to it that I haven't heard before during this tour. A few pieces really stood out (IMHO) for me: Frame by Frame (probably the best example of team playing anywhere - bar none), Neurotica (my god! talk about up and flying - I was looking for debris in the isles after that one!!) and needless to say Thrak (so I won't). 7 - Two encores. More hurling sheets of sound around the theater with Talking Drum - LTiA II closing the nights' merriment out. 8 - Following the set, CGT were out front selling/signing their wares. I did get to talk to Paul Richards shortly and they all signed a CGT post card I received recently from an acquaintance in a before life. 9 - Crowd, Just as misinformed and inappropriate as at every other rock show I've attended in recent years. Why do people talk during parts of silence in pieces of music? Do they think silence is not music? Do they think? Very rude. Why do people insist in screaming to their favorites on stage? Do they expect to get a response? "DOOOO IIT!" and (yes dare I say it) "FREEEEBBBIRDDD!" were all part of this even- ings rhapsody All in all, a very memorable evening for the both of us. We hope that if KC is in fact making the rounds next summer at open air venues as rumored in the US, they play at SPAC, a stones throw from our backyard! Peace! Regards, R.M.M. Saratoga, NY 5 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 09:07:24 -0500 (EST) From: Anand Rangarajan Subject: KC in New Haven, 11/18 Caught KC at the Palace theater in New Haven, CT. Overall, a very enjoyable show. I am not really a KC fan but I (obviously) like a lot of the stuff they've done over the years. The arrangement on stage was PM RF BB TG AB TL As someone else mentioned, PM and BB kept looking at each other throughout the show and seemed to be actually signalling to each other at critical junctures. The show (after CGT) started with Fripp playing soundscapes followed by B'Boom (I could be wrong) which led into Thrak. The middle section of Thrak was different from the CD version. They also played Red, Three of a Perfect Pair, Vroom Vroom, Dinosaur, Elephant Talk, Sex Sleep Eat Drink Dream, Indiscipline (I think), Thela Hun Ginjeet, Frame by Frame, People, Talking Drum, Vroom, Coda: Marine 475 and Lark's Tongues in Aspic II (I think). Belew played Free as a Bird (Beatles) with a guitar synth. Overall, he was pretty relaxed and was especially funny when after Thrak (I think) he said ``Anybody hurt?'' I liked the six piece version of Thela Hun Ginjeet the most. Other highlights were Lark's Tongues in Aspic II and Vroom. I was disappointed that they didn't play One Time or Walking on Air especially since they had played these at other shows. Also, if Thrak had been played later it might have been more effective. As it is, several people were still walking in (where I was sitting) when they launched into Thrak--diminishing its impact. I remember liking Schizoid Man instantly. But I started following KC more when I heard Starless off of _Red_. After this show I came away with a renewed appreciation for Thela Hun Ginjeet, Lark's Tongues in Aspic II and most of the new heavy stuff; Thrak, Vroom, Vroom Vroom and Dinosaur. Anand [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] TIX [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 08:57:07 -0800 From: purch at ix dot netcom dot com (PATRICIA MANLEY ) Subject: Tickets I have two (2) KC balcony Tickets available for the Detroit, MI show on November 28th at 6:30pm. The show is at the STATE Theatre located at 2115 Woodward Ave. Tickets are $50.00 (US - face value). I can be reached via E-mail (purch at ix dot netcom dot com) or at the following numbers: (312) 549-7249 - Home, Chicago, IL (708) 382-7970 - Work Thanks for your help! Robert Dassie [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] The views expressed in Elephant Talk are those of the individual authors only. Elephant Talk is released for the personal use of readers. No commercial use may be made of the material unless permission is granted by the author. 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