From elephant-talk at arastar dot comWed Sep 27 08:42:37 1995 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:48:34 +0800 From: elephant-talk at arastar dot com Reply to: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: elephant-talk at anthor dot arastar dot com Subject: Elephant-talk digest v95 #224 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 224, Tuesday, 26 September 1995 Today's Topics: Meeting Robert Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #223 "The Sheltering Sky" the right note Zane to Elephant Talk Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #223 Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #223 John Wetton, Family, Mogul Thrash right notes, and smoking stuff Denver KC date Re: Soundscapes, Sheltering Sky, THRAK stuff, Gunn... (ET #223) Master of Knobs Wetton/Family/Bandstand Wetton concert in Philadelphia Fripp, solos and indexes B'BOOM / Next leg of the tour Re: ..., Gunn... good bits ignoring canada "rare" exposure edition Trey Gunn's sound. boot; Students of Fripp. stuff phil collins' last bit of decent drumming Wetton in Phila. ADDENDUM subharmonic (b')booms in One Time... GG&F opening band Tony Levin is on the cover of National Enquirer!* THE ET Ticket Shop: ================== Tickets? Tickets Ticketmaster blues Ticketmaster? Not in Texas... [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] POSTS: Please send all posts to toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk ARCHIVES: The ET archives are: WWW: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/elephant-talk.html FAQ: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/elephant-talk-faq.html FTP: The Americas: ftp.qualcomm.com, in /pub/et FTP: Rest of world: ftp.cs.man.ac.uk, in /pub/toby/elephant-talk EMAIL: Send "index elephant-talk" to listserv at arastar dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 11:16:03 -0800 From: gank at wavenet dot com Subject: Meeting Robert Everyone has been sharing their experiences meeting Fripp, so I just thought I'd post a recent encounter... I attended the first of two Soundscapes shows of Fripp and the CGT at the House Of Blues in LA earlier this year. The show was fantastic, except it was very hard to concentrate due to some obnoxious guy talking to his date throughout most of the show. (One quick side note about this-- I was at a table right in front of the stage. The talker was at a table right behind me. Now PLEASE, people, if you want to talk through the whole damn show, do the musicians and fans a favor and go stand by the bar in the back or something, or SHUT UP and enjoy the show, so everyone around you can do likewise! And yes, I asked him to be quiet, and he almost started a fight with me! Can you imagine what Robert's reaction would be to a fight right in front of the stage? Pure lunacy! OK, enough rambling...sorry about that!) Anyway, after the show my girlfriend and I were walking back to our car. Suddenly she starts tapping me-"Isn't that Fripp?" she says. "Huh?" I answered. She practically had to swing me around to look. Sure enough, there was Robert and the CGT standing by a merchandise table, talking and signing between shows. I leapt over a railing and hopped into the line for an autograph, trying to think of what to have him sign. The guy in front of me has RF sign his ticket stub. Good idea, I thought, and got mine out. I presented it to RF. He very gently laid his hand on my shoulder and said, "I'm sorry, I've got to return to my work now" and promptly turned to leave. I was bummed but the man was so damn polite about it I couldn't be mad. So he turns and starts walking away, when an over-zealous fan starts running up behind him screaming, "Hey Robert, can I shake your hand?" Robert, without turning around, casually dismissed the suggestion with a wave of his hand, at which point the fan says, with all his enthusiasm intact, "That's great--Thanks!" It was hilarious. Matthew J. Mahler gank at wavenet dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 02:22:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Sullivan Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #223 all this babble about who drummed on 'Breathless' is making me CRANKY. It was Narada Michael Walden, OK? Listen to his work with Mahavishnu if you don't believe me. And then go out and scrounge up the promotional packet for EXPOSURE that came out around the same time as a 'sampler' for the album back in the late 70's: that credits him explicitly, I think. Me, I've always wondered which songs Collins plays on. This business about various versions of Exposure on CD and LP is also making me CRANKY. Make that CRANKIER. I've been pissed off about the CD being different from the original LP for a long time now. THere is NO cd version that matches the original LP mixes. Here, as far as I can tell , is the official sequence of releases: Exposure LP -- mine has an EG label, someone else around here claims it was Polydor. Whatever. Came out in the late 70's. Exposure CD & LP -- remixed and remastered, but not by Tony Arnold. Does not say 'Definitive Edition'. Came out around 1987/88 or so. Exposure CD (and LP? I don't know if it's in both formats) -- the so-called 'Definitive Edition'. Released along with the DE remasters of the KC catalogue. Haven't heard it myself. For all the yakking about this topic, I *still* haven't learned whether this version is identical to the first CD or not. I presume that like the first CD it is NOT identical to the original LP. In other words, there is no CD version of the original LP! Hence the source of my original crankiness. I like the clarity and dynamic range of the CDs, but prefer the mixes on the original LP. Are we all up to speed now? Can we put our geeky heads together now (tell me I didn't seen a sigfile with *wookie-talk* in it, please lord) and figure out if CD version #1 = CD version #2? That's all I want to know. And whoever said taping concerts was STUPID because 1) taping the Dead revealed their feebleness and 2) there's better 'official' live recordings out there seems to be forgetting that 3) KC aren't the Dead and 4) the main reason there's lots of live official KC product out now is because there were SO MANY boots of the 70's and early 80's stuff in circulation. Used to be that apart from USA and Earthbound, there was NO live KC product. Until Frame By Frame, there was no official live KC product on CD. How soon they forget. I might add that the official product does not always represent the best performances (one word: Yesshows). Then there's the guy who thinks Bob Ezrin produced Gabriel's second album. Bzzzt. He did the first one. Finally, the guy who found B'Boom for ELEVEN BUCKS but didn't tell us where. AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH. Have a nice day - S. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 22:38:43 -0700 From: mal at emf dot net (Malcolm Humes) Subject: "The Sheltering Sky" > >(1) Is there any direct relation between the Discipline song "The >Sheltering Sky" and Paul Bowles' novel of the same name? I'm sort of >familiar with Bowles -- haven't ever read the novel, though -- and it >seems like the KC song sort of fits the general mood of Bowles' writing. The album Beat was loosely inspired by Fripp suggesting Belew read Kerouac's On theRoad, if I recall correctly. Kerouac and the Beat crew were all associates of Bowles and visited him in Tangiers. My guess is the connection is loosely associated to the beat literary connections in KC at that time. There are some excellent web pages on Kerouac and company at http://www.charm.net/~brooklyn/ called Literary Kicks. I think they include some Bowles info. - malcolm mal at emf dot net [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:07:18 +0600 From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz Subject: the right note > as if I were sending it to messir Fripp himself. Have you >ever noticed that Robert (or Adrian, for that matter) seems to hit just >the right note, so that the balance of your mortal self, waiting for >that right note, hangs in the balance, until it's presence reassures >you that you & he anticipated it correctly, together? I think Robert's quoted as saying something like "You can hit/play any note you like in King Crimson, as long as it's the right one." BTW - if Jeremy (or anyone else for that matter) wrote to me a week or so back and hasn't got a reply, it's because I never got the mail. The link went pearshaped over the weekend and oodles of mail got lost - any chance of resending it, please??? Thought for today (instead of a sig) - King Crimson meets Giles, Giles and Fripp: "I'm a dinosaur - somebody is digging my lawn!" James [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Next Wave Festival Subject: Zane to Elephant Talk Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:47 AEST First posting. I am a British composer/performer now resident in Australia. After Red, Fripp disbanded KC. In the mid-seventies (75/76? I can't quite recall, certainly before 77) an advertisement appeared in the London "Melody Maker" calling for interested guitarists to take part in a workshop series with him. This obviously pre-dates all the crafty stuff by a long way, and was part of the "Drive to '81" that Fripp discussed at length on LP covers of the time (Power Fall ect...). I was unable to take part, but a musician comrade did, and later said the first session was entirely about "the intention" to play, and how and why we might decide to pick a musical instrument up, let alone actually play one. The beginnings of a disipline. Technique as a conceptual framework. Structuralism. Very post-modern. I have not heard or seen these early sessions mentioned much, did anyone else take part? Also....does anyone have copies of a series of Fripp articles for a London trade magazine (whose name I also forget).?..the articles were called " the Musican as Icon", and also pre-date any KC reformation. I think he was about to tour with the League, and a tour diary he kept was later published by the same magazine? Also....what ever happened to the film re-make of Godards "Breathless" that Fripp was gonna co-star with Deborah Harry in? For the cred factor I have seen: The first KC supporting the Rolling Stones free in Hyde Park. Terry Riley playing Persian Surgery Dervishes (with his tape loop system) live in Geneva. The complete "Centipede Orchestra" at the Rainbow. Fripp & Eno live at Kings Cross (with very nice projected video loops). Fripp "hiding" from the music industry on stage with Peter Gabriels band at Reading. Two LTIA KCs (with and without Jamie Muir) at the Rainbow. The first "Disipline" gig at the Venue. Before they renamed themselves KC. The renamed KC later at the Hammersmith Palais. Haven't heard much of the recent stuff, but very much enjoy Fripps playing with Sylvain and on "Web" with Eno, Australia though tends to hide lights like Fripp under a bushell of revisionist bollocks. Fripps best solo is.....the one he's about to play..... Regards to all......Zane. nextwave at peg dot apc dot org Next Wave Festival Inc 31 Victoria St Fitzroy 3065 Tel:+61 3 9417 7544 Fax:+61 3 9417 7481 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 03:57:32 -0400 From: one42857 at netcom dot com Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #223 >Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 21:05:42 -0500 >From: jdehm at gold dot interlog dot com (JD Murray) >Subject: Exposure (not always the same?) > >In ET #220, Jim_Sciarra at msn dot com has pointed out that he believes there is a >difference between the album "Exposure" and the CD: He believes correctly! > >I will endeavour to try to pinpoint the discrepancies between the album and >my version of the CD as I am able. > >So far I have compared "Disengage". It is different on the CD. Not only >does the sort of wailing, screeching guitar right near the end sound mixed >down on the CD version, but the vocal by Peter Hamill is different too. On >the album, Peter sings/screams, "Walking out is just another >metaphor..AAAHHHHHHH" then there is the abrasive/screeching guitar and the >song fades out. On the CD, Peter sings the same line but then says >"disengage" after his AAHHHHH. I think that if you follow the progress of this in time, that at some point you will discover that Robert has removed himself entirely from it bit by bit, and that eventually, he never played on it. Especially if it's a hit. Tom Lewis [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Tatina_S at mediasoft dot net (Scott Tatina) Subject: John Wetton, Family, Mogul Thrash Date: Mon, 25 Sep 95 13:54:52 +0000 (GMT) Someone was wondering if John Wetton recorded with Mogul Thrash and Family. I know of at least one album with Mogul Thrash he recorded on but for the life of me I can't remember it's name. With Family he recorded Fearless (United Artists/Reprise). After this album he joined KC. Scott Tatina Art is not a mirror-it is a hammer. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 08:58:54 -0600 From: Paul Martz Subject: right notes, and smoking stuff From: crimson3 at ix dot netcom dot com (William Van Wyck ) > Have you > ever noticed that Robert [...] seems to hit just > the right note, "Red" always seemed the "perfect" piece of music to me: every phrase, every chord, every note is in the right place at the right tone at the right time, but over years that feeling has warn off. Then I picked up RFSQ "The Bridge Between" and I got that feeling again, first with "Yamanashi Blues", but then orders of magnitude stronger with "Threnody for Souls in Torment," which I still claim is Fripp's greatest work, comparable with that of Bartok or Stravinsky. > [ Please send a sample of whatever you were smoking when you made that > post, to me c/o ET. > > -- Toby ] Back in my "Red" days, it may indeed have been something I was smoking, but now I'm smoke free and still getting that same feeling when I listen to Fripp's music! -paul martz at shaft dot fc dot hp dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 25 Sep 1995 09:06:57 -0500 From: "Brian Thomas" Subject: Denver KC date It's Show Time! Denver KC date Any ET'ers going to the Oct. 27 Denver gig? I will be traveling from Kansas for the show and would like to meet some fellow Crimson fans for drinks and Elephant Talk. Reply to: Brian at Newtek dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Lars Marius Garshol Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 17:03:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Soundscapes, Sheltering Sky, THRAK stuff, Gunn... (ET #223) Gideon B. Banner wrote: > (1) Is there any direct relation between the Discipline song "The > Sheltering Sky" and Paul Bowles' novel of the same name? I'm sort of > familiar with Bowles -- haven't ever read the novel, though -- and it > seems like the KC song sort of fits the general mood of Bowles' writing. > Even so, does anyone know of a more direct link? Did Fripp go to Morocco > and smoke a whole lot of hash with Bowles? According to an interview reprinted in the FbF booklet, KC were just jamming when they sort of 'hit upon' something like The Sheltering Sky. Fripp and/or Belew felt that the song somehow was the musical equivalent of the novel, and so decided to expand on it. They also contacted Bowles somehow and got his opinion on the song, which I seem to recall was favourable. I've read the novel, and, yes, the song's mood does fit the novel. There seems to be something special about Bowles and musicians, seeing that Tea in the Sahara by the Police is also inspired by it, and I think there are other songs inspired by it as well. (The book is divided into 3 or 4 parts, one of them is called Tea in the Sahara.) --Lars M. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Subject: Master of Knobs Date: Mon, 25 Sep 95 12:15:13 -0400 From: "Lee S. Kilpatrick" (Mr. Breeze) > How 'bout a Fripp encounter? Waiting for a show to start, I wandered into > the Anaconda in Santa Barbara, saw a guy in a white shirt a> nd black vest > fiddling with the coffee maker. Assuming he was a waiter or something, I He was probably turning the knobs trying to create some Soundscapes. Lee [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:06 -0500 (EST) From: MARK dot KEEN at roche dot com Subject: Wetton/Family/Bandstand The only Family album I'm sure Wetton plays on is "Bandstand". He is in the cover photograph (sitting on a couch, bored, listening to a playback with some other Family members) and he sings back-up to Roger Chapman on the chorus of "My Friend the Sun". Bandstand has an interesting album cover resembling a TV. I would love it if they would remaster this old Family album for CD. Some remastered Family recordings are no showing up in the US. I can hope. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: mathias thallmayer Subject: Wetton concert in Philadelphia Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 12:39:59 -0400 (EDT) John Wetton will be playing at the TLA in Philadelphia on 951011. The opening act is Mastermind. A quick description is ELP meets Yngwie. Only the catch is there are no keyboards. Bill Berends creates his Emerson-like sound with guitar-controlled synth modules. His guitar technique is up there with the best. Also, his brother Rich is an excellent drummer. -- Mathias iconoclast at tarkus dot ocis dot temple dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: E#KIRKD at ccmail dot ceco dot com Date: Mon, 25 Sep 95 09:28:40 CST Subject: Fripp, solos and indexes ETers, Just got a postcard from Robert Fripp in response to my sending him the gig reviews as compiled from ET digest during the first THRAK tour. I want to quote something he wrote: "A clue: note how many of the reviews hinge on expectation. The main characteristic of expectation is that we neither see what we expect to be happening, nor what actually *is* happening." Indeed, his postcard was an unexpected surprise. I also wanted to chime in a few picks for favorite Fripp solos. There has been recent discussion in ET about the Lizard and Island albums, and quintessential Fripp solos can be found in "Prince Rupert's Lament" on Lizard, and in "Sailor's Tale" in Islands. Also don't forget, Bowie's "Fashion" on Scary Monsters, and "Requiem" on Beat. Lastly, just a word or two to say that the ET newsletter indexes are now both finally up to date thru the last issues. Look for these to be up to date from now on (within one or two issues), accessible through Toby's ET web pages. Cheers! DanKirkd at aol dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:34:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Hawkwind Subject: B'BOOM / Next leg of the tour Finally picked up B'BOOM yesterday ($26 at CD Superstore). Wow! Definitely worth every penny. Yes there are sonic flaws as others have noted, but the energy and inspiration in almost every minute more than compensates. Another VERY happy listener here. But not very happy about the tour schedule. Nothing closer to Raleigh, NC than Atlanta?!?!? C'mon, there are some nice venues here! Please have pity on us North Carolinians and play here too!!! peace, miner o<------------<<<<<<<<------------(0)------------>>>>>>>>------------>o | Miner Gleason hawkwind at nando dot net | | | | "...it's all a dream we dreamed one afternoon, long ago..." | o<------------<<<<<<<<------------(0)------------>>>>>>>>------------>o [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:03:44 -0400 From: jmc at sdr dot utias dot utoronto dot ca (James MacKenzie Crawford) Subject: Re: ..., Gunn... > (3) As hard as I try, I can't for the life of me pick out any of Trey > Gunn's parts on either THRAK or The Bridge Between. Holy cow. There's an entire solo piece (can't remember the name, it's a Bach scale exercise piece) on The Bridge Between, where he just rips up and down the scales. Trey's parts on both of those albums, as far as I can tell, judging on the sounds he uses on his solo CD, are usually bass sounds and sometimes guitar sounds which sound a little more muted than Tony Levin's style. But I agree that he is a lot harder to pick out on Thrak than on tBB. James Crawford. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 11:26:39 -0700 From: Michael Tanigawa Subject: good bits > There is one part near the end of "Lizard," just after the vocals, that > always scares the crap out of me -- and I know it is coming! I have listened > to that album over 100 times over the six years I've had it and it never > fails to startle the bejesus out of me. The most extreme example of all would be the Devil's Triangle suite (from In the Wake of Poseidon). Mike Tanigawa (Sr. Customer Support Engineer) /\ Alta Group --- A business unit of Cadence Design, Inc. /= \ 'Better know nothing than half-know many things' /== \ -- Nietzsche /=== \ E-Mail: tanigawa at altagroup dot com / \ TEL: 408-523-4115 FAX: 408-523-4676 /__________\ 555 N.Mathilda Ave. Sunnyvale, CA 94086 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 23:52:00 -0400 (EDT) From: JAY KRESS 202-233-9339 Subject: ignoring canada From: aprasad at ccs dot carleton dot ca (Anil Prasad) Subject: Why no Canadian dates? Does anyone know why Crimson is ignoring Canada on this leg of the tour?... c s b e a r i o i b u u g o g s o i t ;-) e y s [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:58:00 -0400 (EDT) From: JAY KRESS 202-233-9339 Subject: "rare" exposure edition (replying to:) Number 223, Sunday, 24 September 1995 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 21:05:42 -0500 From: jdehm at gold dot interlog dot com (JD Murray) Subject: Exposure (not always the same?) ...Is there a difference between my CD and the later released "Definitive Version" CD?... J.D. Laub responded by telling me, "I bought my copy off a used CD database. Soon after the seller contacted me saying I had a rare copy, and asked some questions about it. Here's the mail:... ==================== actually, i didn't say it was rare. i said track 16 was "...a minute or two longer than the one that's on the definitive edition..." discussion of the difference in the track durations between the definitive edition, and non-definitive edition (at least the one mr laub owns) may appear in past editions of ET, but i might be confusing that with other differences that have been discussed... i sold the disc to mr. laub, and subsequently posed the questions, so i could provide them to john relph, a fripp discography keeper. i had written to john about how track 16 on my the definitive edition was 3'52", but 6'24 on the other disc. he asked for the catalog numbers, etc. of each cd. laub was then in possession of the non-DE disc, so i asked him...this background was provided in the email to laub... enjoy those extra minutes of frippertronics, if you have the longer version of track 16... [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Subject: Trey Gunn's sound. Date: Mon, 25 Sep 95 20:01:26 PDT From: Ed Korczynski The big mistake in not hearing Trey Gunn's contribution is in expecting it to be only bass/stick riffs. With so many heavily effected electic strings on stage, it's hard to pick out the different parts. When I saw the Robert Fripp string quintet last year I was amazed to hear Trey playing chords and leads that sounded almost exactly like Robert parts. VERY similar both in melodic/harmonic content and in sonic texture/effect. So Gunn, Fripp, and Belew can all play parts that sound similar, and Gunn and Levin can play parts that sound similar. More the merrier! -Edo -- ***************************************************************************** "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously." "Fruit flies like a banana." -Noam Chomsky -Groucho Mark **************************************************************************** [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Subject: boot; Students of Fripp. Date: Mon, 25 Sep 95 19:51:12 PDT From: Ed Korczynski Though faithful followers of the bootleg thread here will remember that I record concerts whether the artists desire that or not. However, as I wrote in a previous note, if I were Robert Fripp's student I would not tape. If one accepts a teacher as THEIR teacher, then it is extremely important to follow the instructions of the teacher. Whether or not they seem to _make sense_ in any traditional context. If you do not follow the teacher's teachings, then you may as well not bother following at all. Several of the comments about RF _controlling_ his students, or being a hypocrit obviously come from people who have no concept of following a life teacher. Several years ago I wrote a brief bit about some of RF's metaphysical background. Philosophy is not the correct term, because that implies theory and concept. As a student of J.G.Bennet (in the tradition of Gurdieff and Ouspensky), Fripp follows (or at least has followed) an experiential path of self-discovery and transformation. The relationship between teacher and student (as in Guru:Disciple) is extraordinarily important. If you have not lived this situation, then you have no clue as to the dynamics involved. There are many good books written on the subject (The Fourth Way by Ouspensky is an excellent start), but it is very important to follow the instuctions of the teacher. Fripp may not be fully qualified as a Teacher in this tradition, but he certainly supports the techniques of awareness, discipline, and growth. Incidentally, the requirements of students are not the same as the requirements of the general public. Just because students are told to not tape, does not mean that taping is unacceptable under all circumstances. Fripp is not a hypocrite or greedy. As to controlling, well all performers MUST control themselves and the environment or no performance occurs. -Edo -- ***************************************************************************** "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously." "Fruit flies like a banana." -Noam Chomsky -Groucho Mark **************************************************************************** [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:24:39 -0400 From: Mulugalb at aol dot com Subject: stuff Well hello Crimso heads - looking forward to the already planned roadtrip to the thanksgiving nyc show - keep the ticket info coming!!!! I recently purchased a boot vid of kc in san diego on this most recent tour and it brought me a better look at this new line up and new material than I had gotten from the THRAk recording...I was especially amused by the camera person's attempts to follow where the solo was coming from going from musician to musician trying to figure out who was playing what !!!! How about this question to throw out for all the history buffs - Cadence and Cascade appears on the young person's guide as a Fripp/Sinfield composition and on the McDonald and Giles LP (granted with different lyrics) as a McDonald composition...what do you think ??? I think that Fripp is pulling a rip off here any input ? I dont think this is an all Fripp kinda song... be seeing you . metin [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 95 16:06:28 PDT From: Duane dot Day at Ebay dot Sun dot COM (Duane Day) Subject: phil collins' last bit of decent drumming Alan Scott Beaupre c/o Moyra Graham [moyrgrah at village dot ca] writes that "Breathless" "could well be the last decent bit of drumming [Phil Collins has] done." Alan, check out the drums on Tears for Fears' "Woman in Chains" - Phil does some really nice stuff on that track. He's had a few other nice moments since 1980, I suspect, but some will accuse me of being too genesis, oops, make that generous. :-) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: mathias thallmayer Subject: Wetton in Phila. ADDENDUM Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:57:47 -0400 (EDT) The opening act, Mastermind, will be doing an "unplugged" show, no synths, no electric guitar. -- Mathias iconoclast at tarkus dot ocis dot temple dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: cstan at netcom dot com (Carl Stanley) Subject: subharmonic (b')booms in One Time... Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Crimholio's - Has anyone noticed the subsonic booms in the second half of One time on Thrak? It starts at the end of the middle noodling section and then occurs about once per phrase... it sounds like distant thunder - for the first few weeks I had the album I never noticed them - I always thought that they were passing trucks... Does anyone know what they are/who plays them? I think that they are very cool. I'm looking forward to the show in berkeley in Oct... Carl Stanley Bassist, Audio Engineer, Network Systems Engineer (squelch, fracture), Radical House Studio's, ARC/INS/SAIC/Kaiser http://www.rockweb.com/bands/squelch ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/cs/cstan/radhouse.html [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 15:22:25 -0600 From: cheevy-james at mail dot utexas dot edu (James Hines) Subject: GG&F This is to Toby or anyone else who might know the answer. Does Fripp actually *sing* on Cheerful Insanity..? I know that he does the narrative on Rodney Toady, but I'm not sure if he sings anywhere on the album. No one is "officially" credited as vocalist on it. Thanks....THRAK you too. James "THE MAN" Hines cheevy-james at mail dot utexas dot edu " "Very, very nice," said a man in the crowd. The same man the elephant said was fat....." [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 15:26:32 -0600 From: cheevy-james at mail dot utexas dot edu (James Hines) Subject: opening band OK, *who* is opening for Crimso on this upcoming tour?? I'd LOVE to see the CGT w/ them. The only thing is, my ticket says the show begins @ 9:00. Thanks... Patiently waiting for Halloween, James "THE MAN" Hines cheevy-james at mail dot utexas dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 09:05:11 -0400 From: lbh2 at cornell dot edu (bruce higgins) Subject: Tony Levin is on the cover of National Enquirer!* Actually, it is a (presumably doctored) photograph of Burt Reynolds without his hairpiece. I sure did a double-take tho... * For those of you overseas, the National Enquirer is a celebrity-gossip scandal sheet that pollutes our newstands and supermarkets - I don't miss a copy ;-) And now, back to your regularly scheduled Frippery... [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 16:31:03 GMT From: neputnya at fishnet dot net (G Garner) Subject: Tickets? Howdy! Looking for at least 2 tix to KC @ LA House of Blues on 10/22. I'll mow your dog, wash your lawn, wax your driveway, or drink the filthy, disgusting concoction of your choice. I'M DESPERATE! email if you can help a crimbro. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:40:40 -0700 From: ettinga at primenet dot com (a. ettinger) Subject: Tickets Group: I have a total situation. I just found out that Crimson tix were on sale (for two weeks!!)with an Oct 23 show date. Grabbed the phone and got two so-so seats. The situation is that I have NO ONE who wants the other seat. Everyone I know detests their music. Still, I bought two tix with the optimistic notion that someone in this group might have a very clever idea on how to find a fellow prog fan in Phoenix. Man, it IS a desert out here... Please e-mail to my address if you are interested. Serious suggestions only, I am not even remotely interested in pranks or lewd contributions. I just want to find someone who thinks Tony Levin could be channeling, knows Fripp is a control freak and still thinks Bruford has what it takes. Thx. Amy/in/phx [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 03:47:14 -0400 From: one42857 at netcom dot com Subject: Ticketmaster blues To all of those who have noticed that Ticketmaster "seems" to be entirely innocent and unknowing, or if you will, clueless. It was generally thought that there would be two shows in November in Atlanta, GA, both of which several acquaintances and I wished to attend. Having seen posts from Mark Perry and having recieved email only days ago from Udo Dzierzanowski confirming Mark's posts, I proceeded to the nearest Ticketmaster outlet, already irritated that I had to buy tickets from these scrounges. I was informed by the person behind the curtain that there was only one show. Feeling that they were either innocent, unknowing, or clueless, I bought tickets to the one show and went home to call Ticketmaster. They informed me that there was only one show. They also told me the next day that there was only one show. Now, it may be coincidence, or a mistake, but as soon as the first show sold out, the second magically appeared. We now have tickets to both. It is I suppose alright to be innocent, unknowing, or clueless, even if you're being paid to do so. It is another thing entirely to lie for money. Don't worry about it, but remember, alot of people do, and Ticketmaster is one of them. Tom lewis [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Bradley Stewart Cook Subject: Ticketmaster? Not in Texas... Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:46:38 -0500 (CDT) Bob mentioned in the last ET that Ticketmaster was handling all the KC shows. Well, when I found out through ET when tix for gthe Austin and Houston shows were going on sale I called up the Master and they hadn't heard a thing about it. I had MUCH better luck calling a number I got from ET. I don't even know what the ticket company is called but it is an Austin number and they handled my ticket order for both Austin and Houston. The number is (512) 416-STAR. By the way, thanks to whoever posted that. ANyway...if you hear that KC is coming your way and Ticketmaster has no info you might want to try other ticket companies or good music stores in your area. Brad Cook bsc0150 at tam2000 dot tamu dot edu p.s. The Austin venue is general admission, so as long as there are tickets left there are still front row seats available. :) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] The views expressed in Elephant Talk are those of the individual authors only. Elephant Talk is released for the personal use of readers. 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