discipline, Number 22 Thursday, 13 February 1992 Today's Topics: Re: discipline #21 I'm so happy to be here! the Talking Drum Eno/Bruford/Fripp Questions [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1992 12:15 -0500 From: MOONLIT KNIGHT Subject: Re: discipline #21 Question: Goldmine said that Belew and Levin would definitely return. Is Bruford confirmed by now? And will there be any other members? [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1992 21:50 MST From: HESSIAN Subject: I'm so happy to be here! Hello King Crimson's subjects, I am new to this list and am ever so happy that I got on because now I know that King Crimson is reforming!! I can hardly wait to here a new record. I was so happy I taped from a friend's collection all the old albums that I didn't have. The only one I haven't heard completely is "Three of a Perfect Pair" but I'll probably get it soon. Well, just thought I'd express my overwhelming enthusiasm as a new list member. God save the King, The Mad Hessian [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1992 23:27 -0500 From: MOONLIT KNIGHT Subject: the Talking Drum Has anyone noticed that the excessively long live version of the Talking Drum on the box set really isn't. It's some kind of misprint, I guess, where they intserted a 2, making it 29'04". The 73-74 stuff is definitely the best of that stuff. I would have liked to seen a couple more new tunes ... the disc is hardly all full. Seeing how fast Discipline (the band) went from rehearsal to the road to King Crimson, I am hoping that the band will get on the road this spring (Fripp said in Goldmine that they would meet in full rehearsal this spring). Everyone in the band has other obligations ... Fripp said that both the League and Sunday All Over the World were active (did you catch the candle on the front of the box set which is also on Kneeling at the Shrine) ... Tony Levin will probably want to tour with Gabriel when his album (finally) comes out in June ... what's the story with Belew's new album? I'm also wondering if Crimson III would shun the material of II almost completely the way II did the material of I (all they did, basically, was Red and Larks Tounge II, although I remember seeing Schzoid Man on a set but I think they abandoned it pretty fast). I find myself doubting it. Anyhow, the bug of speculation bites. Jeff [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 12 Feb 92 14:40:04 PST From: malcolm at wrs dot com (Malcolm Humes) Subject: Eno/Bruford/Fripp 1)Eno I had a chance to hear a copy of MY SQUECHLY LIFE, the new Eno that was due out last year then mysteriously vanished. Someone let me hear a tape of it, and it *is* a lot like his older vocal releases, maybe somewhere between Another Green World and My Life in The Bush of Ghosts and Wrong Way Up. It's more of a throwback to older vocal Eno than it is like WWU. It sounds to me like Fripp may be on the first two tracks. No musician credits were available. The first track, Fall Up, seems to be based on the same rhythm track as More Volts on the rarities 12" from the lp box set, but it totally reworks everything else and maybe just uses the same underlying rhythm. The vocals include the theme "More volts, I'm sucking the juice from the generator" which further suggests a connection to the older instrumental track by that title. The guitars in this are pretty nice, it doesn't really sound like Fripp throughout but does sound a bit like him doing a solo at the end - it has a sort of turkish or arabic sound to the solo, but only slightly. A great tune! The second track sounded like there might be some frippertronics type guitar swooshes deep in the dense mix. There was a nice poppy tune called Stiff with Eno singing a chorus that ends with "I wanna be dead". Overall it was a really nice listening experience, especially after the (IMHO) dissapointment of Wrong Way Up. Let's hope this gets released soon. No one seems to know when it'll come out and some people suspect Eno may be reworking it. 2)Bruford This Bruford and Gong thread has come around twice on the net since it passed through here a while back. I put together some more pieces and basically guessed that Bruford probably didn't play with Gong before he left Crimson, and thus I deduced that he was with them sometime between 7/74 and early 75. I have a live tape of Gong from Le Mans France from 11/74 that supposedly has Bruford on drums but I've never been able to tell for sure since the quality isn't so good. The day after I posted my synopsis to the net I got a Gong live tape from a Hyde Park performance in 5/74, and on hearing it it sounds like Bruford to me! This tape is better quality but is an audience tape with lost of stuff like people shouting "down in front!" but is quite listenable. Too bad it's only 45 minutes long. Anyway, I'm convinced the drummer is *not* Moerlen, and the playing style is full of extra fills and rolls and sounds like Bill to me. I even compared some drumming off Red and live and studio versions of one track that definitely has Moerlen to the version of this song I think might have Bruford, and it's clearly not Moerlen, though it could be one of 4 other drummers who also played with Gong in that era. I even checked the Young Person's liner notes and I see that Crimson ended a tour of the USA in the first week of May 1974. So it seems possible he could have gigged with Gong a few weeks later and then embarked on the final Crimson tour of 1974 afterwards. Does anyone have any more info or even personal recollections of Bruford with Gong? I'm going to try to ask Daevid Allen when he's in town on his US tour in about 2 weeks, but I thought I'd ask here too. If anyone is a big Gong fan and interested in exploring this further or into trading Crimson or Gong tapes please send me some mail! 3)Fripp My friend Eric Rutten recently told me about a release Fripp is on I haven't seen any mention of: Maria Volk "Goldberg" 1991 Rough Trade Deutschland RTD 197.1226.2 (Germany) RF plays some Frippertronics on some tracks Eric said: "It is not very easy to describe. I would say the music is quite jazzy, sometimes a little bluesy, but with also a lot of spoken text and dialogues, in German, about a lot of things, incl. the Golberg Variations, and also some noises. As my cd-player broke down recently, I couldn't listen to it much ... A quite strange thing, but I must listen to it again to know if I like it." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ||||||||Malcolm Humes|||||||||||||||||||||||||malcolm at wrs dot com||||||||||||||| ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Prof. Walter K. Daniel (AeroEng FACULTY) " Subject: Questions Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1992 17:09:47 -0500 Does anyone have a discography of King Crimson? Just to add to the confusion there are various remastered versions of both albums and CDs. Does anyone have the concert video of Three of a Perfect Pair? I saw it in a store once, but didn't buy it (was a starving student at the time). Since then, I've never seen the video anywhere. I do have the Live at Frejus concert video in VHS HiFi. I found it in an overstock bin for $12 or so a few years ago. In Frejus, the band closes with Lark's Tongue in Aspic Part II. That's right, Part II, not the much less interesting Part III from Three of a Perfect Pair. An aside on the Three of a Perfect Pair video: I once saw it on _MTV_ for God's sake! Sure, it had been edited a bit, but there was King Crimson in the land of Madonna and Michael Jackson in 1984 or 1985. Amazing! W K Daniel, daniel at usna dot navy dot mil [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] To join this group or have your thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to Toby Howard at the following address: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk The views expressed in discipline are those of the individual authors only.