Reply-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Elephant Talk #213 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 213, Wednesday, 9 August 1995 Today's Topics: Crimsonline Interviews Torn & Bruford Lady Supermarket Re: Clueless and slightly slack Re: Fripp/Thompson, Crimson/Roches Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #212 Re: Fripp/Thompson, and others! Re: Concert Videos Islands Chicago/Exposure Are you an ETer in Spain? RE: "experimental" Belew RE: Elephant-talk Digest V95 '211 covers ToaPP Video... reviews comin' up! Official Bootleg B'Boom Peter Hammill shows frame by frame RE:ET digest #211 B'Boom released in Holland Class Discussion! In The Court Of The Crimson Cat King Crimson Reunion? Writing on Vinyl new record breaker An oldy but a goody Crimson Kids/Favorite Fripp Robert Fripp at Muhlenberg College Ian MacDonald crimso covers: catfood Alleged reunion of the Giles/Fripp/Lake line-up "Live in Argentina" ??? Who else is getting Crafty? (none) Elephant Talk #211 #7 Fripp solos, Belew & NIN, a cover? Eno & Philip Glass Exposure Interview S&BB Reference & Bruford Listing Re: #4(7) Elephant-talk digest v95 #211 (no subject) Re: #4(7) Elephant-talk digest v95 #211 next KC US CD5 rumour [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] POSTS: Please send all posts to toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk ARCHIVES: The ET archives are: WWW: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/elephant-talk.html FTP: The Americas: ftp.qualcomm.com, in /pub/et FTP: Rest of world: ftp.cs.man.ac.uk, in /pub/toby/elephant-talk EMAIL: Send "index elephant-talk" to listserv at arastar dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ******** It's Vacation Time! *********** Please note that ET will be on vacation from 14-29 August! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 10:36:19 -0400 From: "Michael J. Stanek" Subject: Crimsonline Interviews I recently checked out Crimsonline, the new website for King Crimson fans. I get to "cruise the web" during my lunch hour using an "X-terminal" at my place of employment. I have no mechanism for reading the "real audio" files at home or at work - could some brave soul offer to transcribe these audio snippets? I would personally also be willing to buy copies of taped cassettes of these interviews. The material offered at this web site appears to be unique and "very" interesting.... [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:46:46 -0500 From: uchima at fncrd8 dot fnal dot gov (Mike Uchima) Subject: Torn & Bruford rune dot johnsrud at infolink dot no (Rune Johnsrud) said (in issue 211): > Has anyone here heard the resemblance in the audio-soundscaping- > guitarplaying realm, between our beloved guitar-God R. Fripp, and the > humble (but oh-so God-like) guitar player David Torn. Personally I consider > him to be "the jazz" version of Robert Fripp. This impression just got > stronger when I bought David Torn's latest album; "Tripping Over God". > ... > the "Tripping Over God" album is a totally guitar-created thing (except for > some perc. & bass noises), and there are LOT's of soundscaping going on > here you see. (And it's one FU..... neat album, tough, but extremely > neat!) Yes, I got this a few months ago myself; excellent stuff. I even got to see Torn perform some of the material from _Tripping_ live at a small venue in Chicago (he's been opening for Trilok Gurtu -- a truly bizarre double bill, if you ask me). Torn was fascinating to watch, but I think the music came off better on the CD. Technical problems with the sound system and such may have been a big factor here... I also consider _Polytown_ (David Torn with Mick Karn and Terry Bozzio) to be one of the best CDs released last year. If you'd like to hear Torn's approach to soundscaping in a more band-oriented context, definitely check out _Polytown_ (it's on CMP records; I got my copy mail order, but I've also seen it at Tower records). I'd also like to second (or is it third) the recommendation for _Cloud About Mercury_, which features the Bruford/Levin rhythm section. Someone else mentioned that it might be out of print -- I think it *was* for a year or so, while ECM was in the process of being taken over by BMG; but I'm pretty sure it's back now (I've seen copies in several stores). (I'm joining the Bruford thread a bit late, having been on vacation for a few weeks.) In issue 209, Peter Hadley wrote: > Firstly, I would like to thank everyone for their mails and posts > answering my question on Bruford's solo works. OK, so it's not a "solo work", but... in all the Bruford recommendations that people gave, I saw no mention of an album which I happen to like quite a bit: _The Spice of Life_, by Japanese guitarist Kazumi Watanabe. I think this was done right around the same time as _Cloud About Mercury_ (1987 or so). The lineup on TSoL consists of Watanabe, Bruford, and Jeff Berlin. If forced to pin a label on it, I guess I would describe the music as fairly muscular fusion; but there's a vaguely Crimson-esque quality to some of it that I think would appeal to a lot of ET readers. It's still in print as far as I know, and the "CD Only Bonus Track" -- a bizzare affair, with part of Bruford's electronic kit apparently being fed through some sort of delay loop -- is nearly worth the price of admission by itself, IMO. Re the Bruford/Moraz collaborations that someone else mentioned: Anybody know if _Music for Piano and Drums_ will ever be re-released? I've only got it on vinyl; I'd *love* to have it on CD... -- Mike Uchima -- uchima at fnal dot fnal dot gov [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:30:54 -0700 From: John Relph Subject: Lady Supermarket I saw the following ROIO in a store yesterday. No information on the cover about where the CD came from, what "company" pressed it, or the like. Just the following track listing. Lady Supermarket in San Francisco . . . . . . . . . . bootleg 1995? Live at the Cow Palace, San Francisco, 13 June 1974. CD: 1995? ? 9'50 Larks' Tongues in Aspic Part 1 5'52 Easy Money 3'58 The Night Watch 4'09 Lament 4'27 Cat Food 5'53 Exiles 12'38 Fracture 6'14 Larks' Tongues in Aspic Part 2 9'07 21st Century Schizoid Man Anybody have more details? -- John -- The swastika and the hammer and symbol Are sickles that reap only weeds -- XTC [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: E#KIRKD at ccmail dot ceco dot com Date: Fri, 04 Aug 95 09:26:16 CST Subject: Re: Clueless and slightly slack In ET #211 Bob Keeley wrote: >One question that continues to elude me though is"What is the difference >between "Starless and Bible Black" on the SaBB album and "Starless" on the >Red album. I've looked through the back issues thanks to the new index (a >real treat, btw) and didn't get any help. Could someone enlighten me? "Starless and Bible Black" is the name of the album at contains a live improve recording that bears the same name. This track is much in the same vein as "Providence" that one can find on Red and the Great Deceiver. "Starless" has nothing in common with SABB, except for its name. It is found in full on Red, and in part on FbF. It can also be found on the Great Deceiver. It is an exceptional, structured piece with lyrics. As for the index, thanks for the "btw" note. I'm glad you like it. I don't believe anyone has specifically asked or answered this question before, but there have been various postings discussing "Starless" and others discussing both Red and SaBB albums, so there may be a side reference in that lot. Note: the index is only current thru #170, so some recent references that may exist are not yet included. Daniel [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "David LaVallee (Starwave-PC)" Subject: Re: Fripp/Thompson, Crimson/Roches Date: Fri, 04 Aug 95 09:58:00 PDT Mmmmm, great tastes that taste great together. The Fripp-Thompson connection probably goes back quite a ways, One of Peter Gabriel's early solo efforts included Fripp, and Sandy Denny (Fairport convention) in supporting roles. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when (if ever) Frip, Thompson, Belew (three of my favorite guitarists), CGT (three of my other favorite guitarists), and the Roches jam. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: bullj1 at westatpo dot westat dot com Date: Fri, 04 Aug 95 13:00:54 EDT Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #212 To Anthony Cona, How can you, an ardent fan, have concert recordings of a band that asks you not to record their concerts? [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:18:27 +0800 From: John dot Lukes at Ebay dot Sun dot COM (John Lukes) Subject: Re: Fripp/Thompson, and others! I'm enjoying the Fripp/Thompson thread, so far, and am glad to see that (again, so far) this has not regressed into any of the name-calling bs that has ruined so many other "lists" for me. While positing possible collaborations, plausible or apparently implausible, how about Richard Sinclair and Robert Fripp? Anyone know of any connection there? Richard is a early member of Caravan, late 70s member of Camel, founding member of Hatfield and the North, and is known as a great proponent of the "Canterbury sound" -- Richard is a talented bassist, interesting guitarist, and excellent singer-songwriter. Okay, I'll stop here...I had others to suggest, but one "crazy" idea at a time. -JOHN [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:30:51 +0800 From: John dot Lukes at Ebay dot Sun dot COM (John Lukes) Subject: Re: Concert Videos I want to second Greg's query regarding "official" videos of the Crimson shows....? Let me say that as with any "official bootlegs," everyone benefits except the "for-profit pirates" who charge an arm-and-leg for typically inferior product anyway.... Therefore, it's a great way for the artists to strike a blow against the "for-profit pirates" by making their illegal products less desirable to fans everywhere. We the fans create the demand, and I'd rather KC-authorized product be available to fill our need. I see Pink Floyd figured this out. Having seen a portion of their tour video from last year's world tour, I must say they've got a first-rate product there. Very impressive at capturing the spectacle of such a grandious (sp?) undertaking. It's not KC, but if I can pick it up for well under $20 and not be supporting anything illegal, and get a first-rate product, how can I lose? Enough "preaching" (I think my audience is really Mr. Fripp and his associates, anyway, and I doubt he needs or would appreciate the sermon). ;>) -JOHN [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:37:27 -0400 From: lbp2 at po dot CWRU dot Edu (Lewis B. Pollak Jr) Subject: Islands I wanted to reply to the individual who panned "Islands" last week. (My apologies for not remembering the name) I think I might be different than many Crimson fans in that my favorite albums from the group are ItCotCK, ToaPP, and Red. I also like Islands a great deal and would personally rate it well ahead of LarksTiA. I think there is some fantastic work on this album and my wife and I used "Prelude: Song of the Gulls" as part of our wedding ceremony along with selections from Johnathan Livingston Seagull and Henry V. It's fine if you don't care for the album, but you might consider waiting awhile and giving it another listen. You might find you can appreciate more about it the next time around. On another note of interest, my wife picked up for me last week a Rock n' Roll version of "Peter and the Wolf" with heavy work by Brian Eno, Phil Collins to name a few, as well as cameo appearances by the likes of Bill Bruford, Keith Tippett, Julie Tippett, Manfred Mann, Cosey Powell, and many others. I don't remember the label, but it was from 1992. -- Lewis B. Pollak Jr. | I have to get dressed to go out of my mind lbp2 at po dot cwru dot edu | Case Western Reserve | -- King Crimson [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 04 Aug 95 13:52:12 EDT From: Jim Sciarra <73163 dot 3567 at compuserve dot com> Subject: Chicago/Exposure In ET #211, Angi Carhart asked who did the vocals for "Chicago" on the Exposure album. I think the album credits Darryl Hall with that vocal. Eno's keyboards on that song always bring a smile to my face, too. While we're on the subject of Exposure, I'd like to ask other readers which version they like better -- the original release, or the "definitive" edition? When Fripp remixed/remastered the album, he also used alternate takes on many of the vocal tracks, extended some songs, shortened others, and eliminated one track (although it's still listed on the CD). My opinion has always been that the original vinyl release was a work of total perfection, and I don't like tampering with perfection. Of course, I respect Mr. Fripp's right to do as he pleases with his music, but the original vocal tracks on "Chicago" and "Disengage" were, for me, far more effective. Upon close analysis, it sounds as though the original vinyl pressing used portions of two or more vocal takes edited together to form the songs. (For example, the first verse of "Disengage" is different on the CD, but the second verse sounds the same on both vinyl and CD. I've noticed this in several songs.) Perhaps on the remastered CD Fripp just took one complete vocal track and let it play, rather than piece together a single song from various takes. I would love to see the original mix of Exposure released on CD, although I don't expect that to happen. So what do you all think? Which one is better? Jim Sciarra Jim_Sciarra at msn dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Nadav Noah Caine Subject: Are you an ETer in Spain? Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 12:06:56 -0700 (PDT) If you live in Spain presently, could you drop me a line? I am Nadav Caine, nadav at leland dot stanford dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Mathews, Thomas J." Subject: RE: "experimental" Belew Date: Fri, 04 Aug 95 15:06:00 EST >sbienkow at acs dot bu dot edu Wrote: >Word has it that Belew's next solo project, "Guitar as Orchestra," will be >Belew playing a midi-ed up guitar to make orchestral sounds. It's already done and should come out by December. The man told me so himself. Plus as I'm mentioning for the 3rd time it was playing between CGT and KC at the DC show (and I believe others). Some tapes of shows are out there so maybe it could be on a boot by mistake (we intentionally upset Fripp by making boots and I don't dig it - this is another topic directed at more than a few here.) >Some folks out there seem quite excited about this. Why? I don't >understand why a _guitarist_ pretending to be an orchestra should >arouse any more excitement than a _keyboardist_ doing so--to me, this >sounds boring and tired. Oohlala I am thrilled about this release. We all have our preferences and hearing Belew do his strings grand is high on my list of likes. :-) >snip.. I guess we should all just wait and hear -- I was just curious what >the fuss was about. Am I missing something? Don't buy it and find out. (no flame intended) tj [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 4 Aug 95 01:46:00 +0200 From: A dot PLAESCHKE at LINK-H dot HAN dot DE (Andreas Plaeschke) Subject: RE: Elephant-talk Digest V95 '211 Hello Ricard says in No.211: >Speaking of Gabriel, just thought I'd mention that I found a copy, a short >time ago, of an LP called "Deutsches Album". This is not the same as "Ein >deutsche Album", which was Melt with German lyrics. It's Security with >German lyrics--and the order of the songs also seems to have been changed, >though I've not had a chance to check that out. The first german-singing record of PG was his 3.Record ("EIN DEUTSCHES ALBUM") and the songs are the same as on the english release.The second was "Deutsches Album"(PG IV), and the order of the songs was changed. On side 1:(I take the english titles!): Rhythm of the heat/The Family and the fishing net/I have a touch/San Jacinto. Side 2 are in the same order as the english version. Both records had german lyrics and different mixes to their english versions. Peter Hammill had done the same last year.He took some songs from his last records and sings it in german - very interesting (so german speaking people became a little impression of his lyrics) Bye Andreas ## CrossPoint v3.02 ## [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:48:18 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mats Rydstr\vm Subject: covers Hi! Like to add a cover to the list (hope this is not redundant): FORBIDDEN - 21st Century Schizoid Man American thrash-metal band, on their latest album Distorsion. I discovered that while browsing, had a listen and was not surprised. It sounded just like I had imagined. Not THAT bad but not really adding anything, just like any thrash-band would have done it. --- And also, I agree with the guy who posted about Soundgarden doing Ladies Of The Road. What a killer cover that would be. Chris Cornell has got exactly the right voice for that one, they could have the saxophones too, remember the Badmotorfinger album with its' noisy horns and saxes. Well, they've done some strange covers through the years as well: Big Bottom (Spinal Tap), Me And My Monkee (The Beatles), Thank You... (Sly & The Family Stone), Homicidal Suicidal (Budgie) etc. Plus they use the 'tron on Superunknown. It washes!!! Yeah, It WASHES!!! WASH, WASH, WASH!!! --- I would love to hear KC do anything live!!! I have never seen them live and probably never will since I live in Scandinavia. :-( But most of all I'd like to hear the double trio do Fables Of Faubus (Charles Mingus) or any old 50's classic, preferrably some real sweetie done in a very heavy way, something really scary that leaves you in the same state as after listening to the complete Starless in headphones with the volume knob glued at 11! /Mats ________________________________________________________________________ / Mats Rydstrom - d94-mry at nada dot kth dot se - http://www.nada.kth.se/~d94-mry / /-----------------------------------------------------------------------/ / "We can hope for the future, though there may not be one" - ACOS / /_______________________________________________________________________/ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: andyw at informix dot com (Andrew Wallace) Subject: ToaPP Video... Date: Fri, 4 Aug 95 13:59:19 PDT I don't know if someone has already reported this, but... Checking out CD-Now!, I found the Three of a Perfect Pair video available as a Japanese import... Kind of pricey, though. Check out: http://cdnow.com:445/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=596652198/pg=1/page=popsearch Or, just: http://cdnow.com and search on King Crimson. They also have Exposure on CD!!! (Search on Fripp, Robert). -- Andy Wallace - andyw at informix dot com Menlo Park, CA Linux - Genetic Mandate, or Lifestyle Choice? [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Randy Long -- Personal Account Subject: reviews comin' up! Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 22:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Hello fellow ET'ers- I noticed in the last issue a number of people wondering where all the reviews of the new DGM releases were. Well, upcoming issues of Pathothymia, the internet newsletter of cultural review, will feature reviews of all three (plus movies, books, etc). To subscribe, send email to voprey at mercury dot interpath dot net with the subject and/or body saying "subscribe Patho . Let's hope they put out even more stuff soon. -Sammy [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 7 Aug 95 11:54:44 JST From: ohsawa at csg dot sony dot co dot jp (T. Ohsawa) Subject: Official Bootleg B'Boom I just heard the new B'Boom CD. The recording is quite good. I like the openness with mid/high-range compared to the "closed" Vroom and Thrak. I read in ET someone saying this and I agree. Why did P Gabriel's studio tends to be "closed in" in sound mix? Does anyone know? I also noticed Vroom recording very much out-centered, lots of sounds from left (or right) speakers. B'Boom in that sense sounds normal. Did KC try something new in sound mixes? [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 7 Aug 95 12:13:26 JST From: ohsawa at csg dot sony dot co dot jp (T. Ohsawa) Subject: Peter Hammill shows I've seen him twice in Tokyo and twice in Germany (Berlin and Cologne). I enjoyed all of them. The first Tokyo concert was in a small (very small) club on the top floor of a thin-building. It was one of the very first concert that he did alone. He had an AKAI keybord set on stage center and from time to time he switched to his guitar. It was this concert that struck me: what can one man do on stage alone without a band. I had been a fan of Van der Graaf and P. Hammill since '72 and been listening to all their albums but this concert was something totally different: I'd thought that the "age of real (and true) man" has arrived. P. Hammill ended his stage with him singing in a very long tone without any sound to go with it (which he did in Berlin as well, later). This was like sending a message on-line into my brain. Mr Brain Sullivan, you are absolutely right in saying that Hammill has the same caliber as P. Gabriel. I would even say that Hammill exceeded Gabriel in some aspects as he did not compromise in commercial terms and kept himself lonely in his own world. It seems to me that P. Gabriel had the spirit of non-compromise until he released "So". Hammill has a kind of fan-club letter which he writes himself. If you like to read it you should write to his record company or his studio Terra Incognito. Hammill once appeared in an Italian record by Alice. This lady has released more than several CD's. You should check them out. By the way the recording for almost all Alice CD's are incredibly good. The songs are also great. Tom [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 00:47:33 -0400 From: MiqSk8 at aol dot com Subject: frame by frame i have access to a used "frame by frame" box set for $40- i've already got mine, so i thought i'd share the wealth. let me know privately. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 07 Aug 1995 08:24:46 +0100 From: "Leif V. Myhrer (93355)" Subject: RE:ET digest #211 King Crimson covers. I haven't read ET 210, so maybe somebody mentioned it there, but don't forget Asia Live 09-XI-90 Mockba featuring Starless (Abridged) (John Wetton Grand Piano) and Book of Saturday (John Wetton Accoustic Guitar). Not especially good versions, but still the voice is there... Frame by Frame CD 1 Coda. Just some information to the discussion about the studio rehearsal "noice" after the last track on Frame by Frame CD 1. This is the invisible Coda from Islands, which was omitted from the Definitive Edition master through an engineer's error. That's why it's included in a simular invisible way. Jeremy wrote in ET 211: >You know, I'm really sick of this import crap. Can someone please explain to >me the following: >1) Why are their different release dates for albums in different countries? >Is it that difficult to get an album that's distributed in the UK to the US? >(Case in point: John Wetton's _Battle Lines_ took almost a YEAR to get to the >US in a domestic release) >2) Why do different different versions have to have added tracks? (Case in >point: The Acoustic Adrian Belew.) By putting this version out, it seems as >if the companies are saying "poo-poo" to the US. Now those of us who want >the two tracks have to shill out $40 to get it!!! ARGH!!! >When I read about albums not released in the US, or releases finally reaching >another country, it annoys me to no end. Larger acts like Michael Jackson & >REM can get world-wide release on one day!! WHY CAN"T IT BE SO WITH EVERY >ACT???? >If anyone has access to record company executives, give them a good shake / >smack in the head from me, OK?< Couldn't agree more. Give 'em a smack from me as well. Regards Leif [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 06 Aug 1995 21:52:23 -0100 From: mumu2001 at bart dot nl (christian mogul) Subject: B'Boom released in Holland Did someone say B'Boom was out in Holland? Well, apparently it's been released some weeks ago but I didn't know anything. This note is for sleepy heads like me. Chris [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Randy Long -- Personal Account Subject: Class Discussion! Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 14:49:00 -0400 (EDT) In ET v95 #211, Mark Musher raises some important issues that I would like to exhume and flog- this is his text followed by my commentary after the X's: [snip] Subject: ET re.Unthinking idolatry of Fripp & Crimson After perusing the Elephant talk newsletter and web site it became quite clear to me that there is a great deal of unthinking idolatry of Robert Fripp and King Crimson out there. Crimson's recent show here in Vancouver was a quick reminder that they are merely a very clever rock band. To elaborate: [reply] XXXXX Well, this is true- but think of all the unthinking idolatry that GOD gets- and is God out their Thraking up a storm? I think not. [snip] [snip] Amplified Ovation guitars simply sound overly bright, harsh, and ugly. All the more so when the soundman, no doubt lacking his hearing in the upper mids, cranks said levels. [reply] XXXXX True again- but for all of us who ALSO blew out our hearing for years on Crimson, the mix was perfect. You just need to crank up the headphones a little more before the next leg of the tour. And don't the CGT do a cover of "The Bright, the Harsh and the Ugly"? [snip] Robert Fripp may as well have engraved his initials in his students foreheads. I love Fripp's sound but his teachings may well have gone a long way towards robbing students of the capacity to develop their own voice. There need be only one Fripp on this planet. [reply] XXXX Hey, the world is filled to the brim with guitarists and their own voices, most of them sounding pretty similar anyway, and only a handfull of them sounding interesting. Like Trey Gunn said in an interview, he gave up playing guitar because your hands automatically play blues figures. So in this case, if it weren't for Fripp, we'd have another blues guitarist in the world. And if it weren't for that circle R brand on the forehead, we'd probably have more. At least Fripp makes them into guitarists who play something somewhat fresh and dynamic. And I guarantee this planet could use more Fripps than more Jimmie Vaughns. [snip] Bach, Morricone themes, Frippisms. Too much low grade gumbo. Yes there were highlights but they were gravely overshadowed. More original work please, gentlemen. And lose those Ovations! Listen to Ralph Towner! [reply] XXXXX Bach is low grade gumbo? Man, this is a tough audience. But I agree they need to slow down on the western themes. In fact,, I would argue for MORE Frippisms. Who can deny that Kan Non Power is a kick butt little tune? Or Melrose Avenue? Those songs have more to do with Fripp than "Heartbeat". Consequently, they are the highlights of the show. I wouldn't rush back from the theatre bathroom to catch the CGT do a show full of "Apache". [snip] King Crimson Great Rock show. Bruford is a delight to watch as is Levin. Stick duet was nice and was the only time Trey Gunn was not hopelessly lost in the noise floor. Would like to have heard more work on the bodyless upright electric >from Levin. A duet between Levin and Eberhard weber would be guaranteed ear candy! Bruford is charming and still clearly enjoys playing with the group. [reply] XXXXX I second that Eberhard Weber duet idea- I've had to have filllings replaced after listening to some Kate Bush with Weber slinking around the 3Hz zone. They just vibrate out and go right down my throat. And that so called "Stick duet" was a joke- it lasted an attention span busting 8 seconds. That was no duet, that was two stick players tuning up. [snip] I feel that Gunn and Mastelotto are superfluous. Gunn is lost in the noise floor completely and articulation is obliterated, especially in the context of a concert mix. And what does Pat really do that Bill can't make up for? Go back to the Discipline quartet and start again. The complexity and density they are striving for with the double trio format pales badly when you move forward in music and listen to 20th century composers like Xenakis, Lindberg, and especially Paul Dolden. Rock bands trying to do such things just look pretentious and ham-fisted. [reply] XXXXX While I agree that Gunn was buried alive in the tour mix, he is hardly superfluous. He's just nudged out of the bottom end by the continent filling basslines of Levin. Mastelotto can sometimes do an Alan White impersonation, but he's a Hell of a drummer (Check out Fripp/Sylvian work) and if he makes Bruford happy, and allows Bruford to funk it up a little with intricate tom work and bizzare pad sounds, then think of Mastelotto, if you must, as Bruford's third arm, or a living breathing overdub. And guess who sounds "..pretentious and ham fisted" by telling us to "...move forward in music" and listen to obscure composers? Did you mean to post that to the Milli Vanilli mailing list? I think most rock and roll could benefit from some more complexity; the same way i think most overly complex modern composers (and yes, I am speaking SPECIFICALLY of Lindberg and Dolden) could benefit from a little dead-waking thrashing now and then. It is the overlap, and bands/composers that inhabit it- such as King Crimson- that push the boundaries with their synergy. [snip] Fripp just hanging back in the center of the stage was a wise move. Even though I'd like to see him solo, the audience was there for the group. [reply] XXXXX Good call. I liked that Fripp sat in the shadows, too. And I cannot believe the level of crybabying on this list about "I paid good money and Fripp llet us down because I couldn't see blah blah blah" [snip] Belew is a riot to hear and see live in this context! One problem: Adrian, don't use your midi gear to imitate a string section in a venue that regularly hosts symphony orchestras! It sounds like the cheesiest mellotron on the planet! P.S. The Beatles have been and gone. [reply] XXXXX Is that another ham fist I see? I think Belew should use his midi gear to imitate anything and everything on this planet that does or does not exist. That's the beauty of midi- and Belew. If you're reading this, Adrian- don't listen to this guy! Sample and play anything- rhinos, orchestras, your daughter screaming, open heart surgery on the Discovery Channel- just make it INTERESTING! [snip] P.S. I too hope Sacred songs becomes available on cd! [reply] XXXXX You and 3 other people in the world. You can HAVE my copy. that album's only virtue is that after a couple of songs, it reminds me to listen to Exposure. XXXXX Thanks for listening to me rant! Violent replies may be made to me personaly, or feel free to humiliate me in public on the list. And one more interesting thing- remember an 80's big hair band called Kajagoogoo? Well, their guitarist now teaches the Chapman Stick. Call him up and ask him to show you that blistering riff from "Too Shy" VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV I am awake ONLY in what I love and desire to the point of TERROR. Everything else is just shrouded furniture, quotidien anesthesia. -Hakim Bey AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Prof. Dexter Thundersquid, Professor of Stochastic Heuristics, VOP God at Heaven dot Your dot Imagination dot Org (510) 849 8445 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 05 Aug 1995 14:56:16 GMT From: mike at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk (Mike Dickson) Subject: In The Court Of The Crimson Cat baumgart at pointloma dot com (Jim Baumgart) writes... > Hi everyone at ET. Can anybody top this? Imagine my surprise (and > pleasure) to come home from work and find my 4 year-old daughter quietly > playing with blocks in the playroom, while singing to herself "I'mmmm a > DINOSAUR...." I can't exactly top the story, but I can give you my variety of recent events; every time the solo viola passage starts up in LTiA Pt1 my cat starts howling along to it. As a sort of 'control experiment' I tried to get the same effect with John Cale, Jean Luc Ponty and others, but it only ever worked with David Cross. Maybe this passage really has some sort of feline subliminal message that runs 'satan says 'kill your owner'...satan says 'kill your owner'...' -- Mike Dickson [Team OS/2], Black Cat Software Factory, Musselburgh, Scotland mike at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk - Fax 0131-653-6124 - Columnated Ruins Domino [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 05 Aug 1995 14:49:54 GMT From: mike at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk (Mike Dickson) Subject: King Crimson Reunion? David Kirkdorffer (David_Kirkdorffer at praxisint dot com) writes... > I remember hearing a rumour a year or two ago about a re-union of original > members of King Crimson (Giles McDonald, Lake etc...). > Did anybody else hear that rumour? I guess this didn't happen, and I seem > to understand that Fripp and Lake have "differences," I would doubt that it's a practical possibility on two counts; first, there's already a group on the go called 'King Crimson' which might make for some interesting problems - maybe Lake's variety could go under the name 'Queen Scarlet' or something. Second, if this was ever a serious possibility then it would presumably be happening without the Frippoid which (IMO) marks the whole event as something of a non-starter. I'd be quite happy for this rumour not to be true anyway. The recent series of group 'reunions' has been pretty...well...sad. -- Mike Dickson [Team OS/2], Black Cat Software Factory, Musselburgh, Scotland mike at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk - Fax 0131-653-6124 - Columnated Ruins Domino [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 05 Aug 95 21:19:42 EDT From: FECHER at VM dot TEMPLE dot EDU Subject: Writing on Vinyl In response to a recent post about Fripp's scribblings in the blank space at the end of each side (where the mastering information is usually placed), I checked both Exposure and Sacred Songs and have transcribed their contents: Exposure, Side One: "1981--IS THE YEAR OF THE FRIPP" Exposure, Side Two: "THE AIM IS FREEDOM CONSCIENCE AND TRUTH" Sacred Songs, Side Two: "NEW MUSIC IS NOT A STYLE, IT IS A QUALITY" I do not have a vinyl version of Peter Gabriel's second album, but considering the fact that it was part of the intended MOR trilogy, similar quotes may appear there as well. Cheers, Jerry Fecher [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Randy Long -- Personal Account Subject: new record breaker Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 18:43:43 -0400 (EDT) A few issues ago, we were seeing who was the youngest Crimson concert attendee. Well, last issue, Totos (Pierre) wrote: This is my first ET letter, so wow! Being a 2 1/2 years old Crimhead I read ET constantly , though I'm not a wizz-kid. I get ET through my friend Whoah- I'm suprised mommie and daddie let him at the computer? Who is the youngest poster on this list? Can you beat 2 1/2 years old? VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV I am awake ONLY in what I love and desire to the point of TERROR. Everything else is just shrouded furniture, quotidien anesthesia. -Hakim Bey AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Prof. Dexter Thundersquid, Professor of Stochastic Heuristics, VOP God at Heaven dot Your dot Imagination dot Org (510) 849 8445 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 12:55:05 -0400 From: ai644 at detroit dot freenet dot org (Barry A. Lonik) Subject: An oldy but a goody I was leafing through a scrapbook of old articles from the English rock mag Melody Maker this morning and came upon an interview with RF that I thought ET readers would find most amusing. The date was unfortunately cut off, but I'm guessing it's from 1974 or so. I'm sure Robert (my buddy) won't mind a partial reprint that grants some insight into his complex character so all of us can understand him a little better. ROBERT FRIPP...SUPER STUD? The carnal ambitions of the Crimson King. An unwholesome interview by Richard Williams I am, muses Robert Fripp, already a living legend. The light breeze ruffles his curly locks. He settles back in the plastic garden chair, sips his lukewarm coffee, and continues to reflect. Being a living legend is not, in itself, enough. I must, he suggests, become a superstar. But-and this is crucial factor [sic]-I must be a superstar But-and this is crucial factor [sic]-I must be a superstar in the modern manner [last four words italicized]. This is not news to the interviewer, who heard it all before on the telephone a few days earlier. The repetition of these sentiments, though implies that the problem is weighing heavily on his mind. Invited to elaborate further on his statement, he pauses before replying: "Eno and I have come to this decision together. Speaking personally, I have always been available to young ladies. Being a superstar is having it known that one is available, and I am. Superstars are studs, and I would like to be one." It goes on to say the reason is that it will help his music at the beginning of a lengthy article that concludes with the statement: (The interviewer wishes to point out that all characters, incidents, and locations are real. Nevertheless, this feature has been written entirely contrary to his instincts, and against his better judgements [sic]. It is not intended as a parody of any other rock writer, living or dead.) Very funny stuff. There's another one entitled "Fripp: man, myth and magic" that must be from about the same period (imagine two interviews in the same decade!) because it mentions similar "adventures with Mister Eno" and "the development of Fripp and Eno as a gigolo combination." If time and copyright permit (Toby?) and there's an interest amongst you crafty readers, perhaps I'll prepare more of this feast for your squinting eyes. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 05 Aug 1995 12:24:01 -0400 (EDT) From: 52FRAUNFELTE at CUA dot EDU Subject: Crimson Kids/Favorite Fripp For what it's worth, my contribution to these current topics: My six year old son (who can't stop playing "Smoke on the Water" long enough to practice his piano lessons) is also a "Dinosaur" fan, but the real kicker was about a year ago when I walked in on him while he was humming (more like vocalizing) "Red"! If it's grandiosity you like, you can't beat (IMHO) RF's soaring solo at the end of Van Der Graaf Generator's "Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" off of "Pawn Hearts". Paul Fraunfelter 52fraunfelte at cua dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 10:08:51 -0400 From: "user at netaxs dot com" Subject: Robert Fripp at Muhlenberg College I have recently purchased tickets to see Fripp at the above referenced location. Please revise your board, because the Radio Station does not accept credit card. They did not have an arrangement with the normal theatre people. They requested bank check or postal order. Sent my money on 7.30, received tickets on 8.4. Very helpful people Wage Peace Dan Martin swamps at netaxs dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 14:02:00 +0100 From: Rimantas dot Plaipa at GF dot VU dot lt Subject: Ian MacDonald In ET #210 Russell Whitworth wrote: >P.S. Here's another "is it the same Ian MacDonald?" question. Not >Foreigner this time, but is he also the author of "Revolution in the Head - >The Beatles' Records and the Sixties"? The sleeve-notes describe Ian >MacDonald as former deputy editor of New Musical Express, and "an >accomplished musician and composer." I suspect it is not the same person, >but can anyone confirm? The editor of New Musical Express Ian MacDonald has circled around KC in '72-73. Five experts from his articles are reproduced in the booklets for FBF and YPGTKC - 2 gig reviews (2 Dec '72 and 27 Mar '73), one interview with RF (25 Aug '73), another one with BB (4 Aug '73), and one characterisation of RF (Sep1 '73). Sometimes his name is spelled McDonald. These writings hardly allows to believe that he ever was a member of KC. Consider for example such a passage: "In times gone by I have often mused upon the perturbing question of how a man of such acumen, self possession, energy, and good taste as Robert Fripp could be the driving force behind that wholly mysterious sequence of albums on the Island label which embodies the output of Britain's most enigmatic combo, King Crimson." And also this one: "If he were not a civilised hippy he'd be commuting into the city doing The Times crossword and solving problems in lateral thinking. Rock's gain of an idiosyncratic musician and a truly eccentric personality was British industry's loss of a great economist. Fripp is also daft and sex- crazed. But the best thing about Fripp is his honesty. It's his bluntness - ex members of King Crimson prefer to call it tactlessness - that makes him charming, for Robert Fripp's complexities remain internal and for the purposes of interpersonal communication he is a very simple man." Rimantas ---------------------------------------------------------- Rimantas Plaipa Dept. of Biochem. and Biophys., Vilnius University, Lithuania Rimantas dot Plaipa at GF dot VU dot LT [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 5 Aug 95 02:36:45 -0700 From: David A. Craig Subject: crimso covers: catfood Damn the Machine covers "catfood" on an ep released to radio stations. Haven't seen it and don't know what the promo ep is called, but the cover is good. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: aprasad at ccs dot carleton dot ca (Anil Prasad) Subject: Alleged reunion of the Giles/Fripp/Lake line-up Date: Sat, 5 Aug 95 3:04:23 EDT Regarding the alleged reunion of Lake, Giles, Fripp etc.. I can't remember if I mentioned this or not before, but believe it or not, Greg Lake told me to my face that he expected the original KC line-up to reunite for some touring and/or recording in the near future. This was about a year and a half ago (or whenever the last leg of the last ELP tour was). Anyway, I'm convinced he was in some delusional state when he said it, but he _did_ say it. :-) Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to see any earlier line-ups reunite and rehash old material. Let John Wethead take care of that nonsense with this absolutely ludicrous U.K. reunion that's on the way. (One can only hope Bruford chooses to preserve his dignity and bow out of this while he still can... didn't "Union" teach him anything?) ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ Anil Prasad aprasad at ccs dot carleton dot ca ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:55:28 -0400 From: Wonko77205 at aol dot com Subject: "Live in Argentina" ??? OK, so I hear random talk about this legit KC live album from the current tour. My question is this: When does it come out in the US? I've seen various release dates,. but I haven't been able to find it yet! I've seen people hear on ET talking about it, but I think that they're mainly European. Is only being released over seas? Please help! Chris [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 00:32:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin Subject: Who else is getting Crafty? I received my confirmation for the Guitar Craft Seminar later this month. Any other ET'ers out there attending? -Adam [-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-] [-] Adam Levin email: alevin at ari dot net [-] [-] Network Systems Engineer WWW: http://www2.ari.net/adam/ [-] [-] & master of obscure tricky things [-] [-] ARInternet Corporation [-] [-] Landover, MD [-] [-] - Visit The Progressive Rock Web Site at http://prog.ari.net/prog/ [-] [-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-][-] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Stuart Wugalter Date: Aug 07, 1995 09:09:30 This is my first post here! Yeah! It's been a great Crimson weekend for me: Had Friday off and spent time listening to old music. One of my favs is Matching Moles Little Red Record. Producer: Robert Fripp. Anyone else remember this one? Got this when I was really into the Soft Machine in the early 70's. I think this record still stands up and rivals some of KC's stuff (IMHO of course :) Also, I went record hunting (anyone know of any good places to hunt in LA besides Arons and Penny Lane?) and found a new virgin CD of a Robert Wyatt compilation which includes some great cuts from the aforementioned album. Then, I went and bought B'boom! All I can say is b'boom, thrak,...wish I hadn't missed that L.A. concert :( Threads: To the person who hated islands: Please send it to me! hahahaha I love that album. God, Keith Tippett's piano work (anyone got a copy of Septober Energy around?), Pete Sinfield, Mark Charig (who used to play around with some of the Soft Machine people). Uh....maybe you should listen to it again Anyone I've ever played the title cut to thought it was an incredibly beautiful song (KC fan or not!). To David Ewing: Amen on the St. Elmo's Fire solo! I swear I *see* the fire during that solo I like the 'Evening Star' feel at the end of the solo...also heard a riff at the end of one of the Thrak songs that reminded me of Evening Star (think its floating on air). Finally: A number of years ago I rented a video called "The Noise" which is a concert film of KC about the time I saw them here in L.A. at the Greek Theatre (awesome!) I would kill for that, or *any* KC video. Anyone know how to get this one as I tried to order it and was told it is out of print. :( Oh yeah, one last thing: saw a Laurie Anderson concert video on cable last weekend with Adrian playing guitar, singing and just 'playing around.' You were great AB (and funny). There was definitely a KC influence beyond AB's guitar (the rhythms, Laurie's 'talk', etc.) in this 1986 concert. Mostly reminded me of the Discipline album produced 5 years earlier. (It takes so long for the rest of the world to catch up :) Sorry to blather on so long, but: MUSIC IS FOOD FOR THE SOUL peace. --Stuart [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Subject: Elephant Talk #211 #7 From: rune dot johnsrud at infolink dot no (Rune Johnsrud) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 1995 20:10:46 +0100 Organization: InfoLink Datatjenester AS I just want to thank all the ET'ers that replied to my last posting about David Torn. In return I just want to say: If you want the "ultimate" David Torn recording (in my opinion), go get the "Polytown" album, a collaboration effort between D. Torn, Mick Karn & Terry Bozzio. This is a really MAGNIFICENT album, and in many ways it reminds me of KC.... Not directly, but the atmosphere and sound just sounds KC'ish. BUT, most of all it's one hell of an instrumental album. Mick Karn is probably one of the few bass players in the world who plays his instrument the way he does (like any other true guitar soloist), while Terry Bozzio is one heck of a multi-percussionist. Last but not least, David Torn contributes with some of his ABSOLUTE best guitar work ever. All in all, a stellar performance from all three musicians. (In short terms, GO GET IT! ;-) Another item: Best Fripp solo ever - My vote goes to the live version of "Darshan - the road to Graceland" on the Sylvian/Fripp album "Damage", which also gets my vote as album of the century!! Mr. Fripp really shines on ALL tracks on this album, and so does the rest of the musicians, and the production is admirable! Thanks all! Keep cool (`coz it's damn hot up here in the north, like now, it's f...in 30 degrees cel. in the shade, puh...) This is my second posting on ET, but just to remind you, all typos are mine, Mine, MINE!! ;-) Rune Johnsrud ProgNetik Magazine Editor | Rune A. Johnsrud | ProgNetik (editor) | | rune dot johnsrud at infolink dot no | "Home of Progressive Music" | -> ProgNetik "On The Air", 106.8, 22.30 - 24.00 TIRSDAGER! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 15:09:36 +1200 From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James) Subject: Fripp solos, Belew & NIN, a cover? >> I vote for "I'll Come Running" from Brian Eno's "Another Green World" >> It's is not the most technically difficult, but it soars and makes a perfect >> bridge to the fade-out chorus. I think that it fits RF's definition of true. >> And it catches the mode of the song and lifts it. In fact I'm going ot go >> home and put it on. > >Don't forget the beautiful solo on "St. Elmo's Fire" (also on Eno's >magnificent "Another Green World"). add in the gutwhisking solo on (dammit I can't remember the track name) off Eno's Nerve Net album, and the haunting beauty of the Roches' Hammond Song. And while we've been talking about Daryl Hall, how come no-one's mentioned how beautiful "The Further Away I Am" is? on another subject, I've just been listening to Nine Inch Nails album "The Downward Spiral", which feartures our Ade on guitar. What impressed me, though, was not so much the Belew presence (which is audible, but not particularly prominent), but the sound as a whole. By halfway through it was distinctly reminding me of some of the aural nightmare that is the heavier end of Thrak. A KC influence in NIN (or vice versa!)? I'd never have believed it... >: But, all are eager to continue with the positive energy they've created. And >: the tape recorder still has 20 minutes left on the reel... Adrian says, "Hey, >: let's do a cover of a song." And Tony replies, "What do you think the readers >: of ET would like to hear us play?" Robert dials into Toby's WWW Server and >: takes a quick poll of those actively on-line.. I'd like to hear them tackle some older, heavier Jethro Tull. Locomotive Breath, say, or Aqualung... James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 08 Aug 1995 09:19:24 +0200 From: tajthy at ind dot eunet dot hu (TAJTHY Tamas) Subject: Eno & Philip Glass Dear LIST, Maybe this is not the correct list to broadcast, but there have been a lot of chat about Brian ENO. I bought a CD of Philip Glass called LOW. It is written that some Brian ENO and David BOWIE songs were the basic of this CD. Pretty cool and easy to listen to (this is not common to P.G.'s music). Biiig bye From: PS. "LOW" Symphony I "Subterraneans" 15:07 II "Some Are" 11:17 III "Warszawa" 15:57 Produced by Kurt Munkacsi and Michael Reisman Executive Producers: Kurt Munkacsi and Rory Johnston (C)(P) 1993 POINT music /=========================================================\ [ TAJTHY Tamas ] [ Shaman Research Ltd., EgoSoft International ] [ ( These are not real companies ! Just my aliases ! ) ] [ CompuServe: 100263,453 ] \=========================================================/ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "BARRIE SILLARS" Organization: Phase Devices Limited Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 08:10:11 WET Subject: Exposure Interview There has been some discussion on Robert Fripp's album "EXPOSURE" within the newsletter. The following extract may be of some interest. It is from an interview Fripp gave to Caroline Coon for Sounds back in September 1978, prior to the then scheduled release of the album in October 16th. In this extract Fripp gives a track-by-track run- down on the album as it existed at that point. Of course the album went through a number of changes prior to final release. PRESENTING: "THE LAST GREAT NEW YORK HEART THROB" in the heart throbs' own words. Or, as Eno, who is drawing the cover, has suggested: "EXPOSURE". Side One. Track One: "'You Burn Me Up I'm a Cigarette'. My lyrics. It's the preface, a love song about me and Joanna." Track Two:"'North Star'. A love song too, about me and Joanna with lyrics by Joanna." Track Three: "'Disengage'. It's a kind of musical counterpart to Schizophrenia Madness and the Family. I've included sections of an interview with my mother talking about my toilet training - two minutes, thirty seconds of primal feeling." Track Four:"'I Smile Like Chicago,. A love song written by Joanna. She thought I smiled like Chicago and I asked 'how is that' and she said 'very mixed'". Track Five:"'Exposure'. Peter Gabriel's song sung by Daryl Hall which I've interpreted as psychological exposure." This is the track he wanted Debbie Harry to sing. Track Six:"'N.Y.3.' That's an abbreviation of New York New York New York because I have another song called N.Y.2." Track Seven:"As yet untitled - but it's to do with voices." Side Two. Track One:"'Sister Mary'. A very personal song written by Joanna about someone for whom her heart bled." Track Two:"Breathless'. A terrifying and sophisticated instrumental in 7/4 time with middle section in 3/3 plus 3/8, with a guitar in 9/8 over the top of it. But the very interesting thing about this experiment is that it feels as if it's in 4/4. It doesn't strike the listener as being anything but direct - which is a remarkable achievement. In one sense it's probably the most successful thing I've ever done. I score my things out of 10 and I don't accept anything less than 8/10. 'Breathless' is a 9.....maybe 9 and 1/2." Track Three:"'J.G. Bennett's 1st Inaugural Address to the School of Continuous Education, Sherborne House.' It was a forty minute talk which I've condensed into three and a half seconds by a process scientists believe extraterrestial intelligences might use to send information across the universe." Track Four:"'Here Comes The Flood'. Peter Gabriel's song to which I've added an interesting introduction called 'Water Music 1'." Track Five:"'Water Music 2'. The postscript, a frippatronic tape loop. "In a sense the album is dedicated to hazardous undertakings. It puts forward a number of paradoxes and helps to resolve them and finishes by confounding them." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr.Barrie Sillars| | bsillars at phase dot com Senior Design | Phase Devices Limited | Vox:+44 01582 445000 Engineer | Dunstable, LU5 4TS, England | Fax:+44 01582 445060 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "BARRIE SILLARS" Organization: Phase Devices Limited Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 13:29:12 WET Subject: S&BB Reference & Bruford Listing A recent posting, mentioning the track "Starless and Bible Black" had me thinking about the origin of it's title. It is understood to be a reference to a line from "Under Milk Wood" by Dylan Thomas (hence the DT acknowledgement on the album sleeve). But there may be another reference. Bill Bruford had a Top 50 fave tracks listing published in an issue of Melody Maker back in the late Seventies. The first track listed was by British jazz pianist and composer Stan Tracey called "Starless and Bible Black". I have never heard this track or found any other reference to it, so I cannot comment on whether there is any musical reference to KC's track. Anyway, for those interested I have reproduced Bill's listing as follows: Starless and Bible Black - Stan Tracey/ Adagio - Albinoni/ Out To Lunch - Eric Dolphy/ Flight 19 - Andrew Hill/ Mama Roux - Dr. John/ The Connection - Freddie Red and Jackie McLean/ For Once in My Life - Stevie Wonder/ Sing a Simple Song/ Sly and the Family Stone/ Wade in the Water - Graham Bond/ Eight One - Miles Davis/ Tintyana - Dollar Brand/ Black Crow - Joni Mitchell/ Argeb's Bag - John McLaughlin/ A Remark You Made - Weather Report/ Midwestern Night's Dream - Pat Metheny/ What You Got - John Lennon/ Seeping Giant - Herbie Hancock/ Come On - Rolling Stones/ Genius + Soul = Jazz - Ray Charles/ Groon - King Crimson/ Dancing in the Street - Martha and the Vandellas/ Rock Steady - Aretha Franklin/ Dancing Machine - Jackson Five/ Love and Hate - Grachan Moncur III/ So Tired - Johnny Griffin/ Feeling Alright - Joe Cocker/ The Urge for Going - Tom Rush/ One to One - Jan Hammer/ H.Q. - Roy Harper/ The Moors - Weather Report/ Focal Point/ McCoy Tyner/ Live Performances at Verity's Place - Derek Bailey and Han Bennink/ That's the Way I Like It - K.C. and the Sunshine Band/ The Roland Kirk Quartet Meets The Benny Golson Orchestra - Roland Kirk and benny Golson/ King Kong - Jean-Luc Ponty and Frank Zappa/ Mingus Ah Um - Charlie Mingus/ The Monk and The Nun - Ornette Coleman / Concerto for Violin and Cello in A Minor - Brahms/ Bitches Brew - Miles Davis/ The Mourning of A Star - Keith Jarrett/ Nobody'd Fault But Mine - Otis Redding/ Music For Strings, Percussion and Celeste - Bartok/ Symphony No.1 - Mahler/ Summun Bukmun Umyum - Pharoah Sanders/ Kahlil The Prophet - Jackie McLean/ Refuge - Andrew Hill/ A.B.C. - Jackson Five/ Honky Tonk - King Curtis/ Sea Song - Robert Wyatt/ Mister Walker - Wes Montgomery. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr.Barrie Sillars| | bsillars at phase dot com Senior Design | Phase Devices Limited | Vox:+44 01582 445000 Engineer | Dunstable, LU5 4TS, England | Fax:+44 01582 445060 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 08:45:32 -0700 From: SezZ at eworld dot com Subject: Re: #4(7) Elephant-talk digest v95 #211 >I finally got around to buying Islands after all these years. And as much >as I have enjoyed every other King Crimson album to one degree or another, >this one is a REAL dog. It almost sounds like another band aping the most >tedious parts of Lizard. Despite a few clever bits of lyric writing (Ladies >of the Road) the overall quality is one of outtakes that weren't strong >enough to go on other Crimson albums. I'm always suprised by this reaction. I love Islands. It's one of my favorites. I just got it on CD as I'm duplicating my whole Crimso collection on CD. Wonderful to hear it without the "bacon and eggs" of my horribly worn vinyl copy. I like Lizard too, BTW. You get to hear Jon Anderson sing with Crimso, and you get to hear "Dinosaur Pt. 1" B-{)} >If you don't have Islands, don't lose any sleep over it. If you don't have Islands, go check it out. You may love it. There is a lot of music there. The only Crimso album I don't care for is Three of a Perfect Pair, but I certainly wouldn't recommend not listening to it. - Sez [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 08 Aug 95 21:50:59 0100 From: Diego Cuoghi Subject: (no subject) I am an "aged" italian Crim-fan (I bought ISLANDS in 1972, when I was seventeen, and my first Crim-concert was in 1973 in Reggio Emilia) and I have some questions that you can certanly clear up. Though I had all the Crimson records, recently I began to buy also the CDs. I noticed that some record has a note, in the back, that says: "THE DEFINITIVE EDITION - ReMastered by Robert Fripp and Tony Arnold" (In the Court, In the Wake, Larks, Discipline), some other has only a white sticker on the front with the same writing (Beat, Three), but the others... nothing. My record dealer say that ALL the recent european issues of the Crimson CDs are remastered, but I'm very doubtful. How can I distinguish the REAL remastered versions? Thank you for the help... Ciao. Diego Cuoghi [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 08:45:32 -0700 From: SezZ at eworld dot com Subject: Re: #4(7) Elephant-talk digest v95 #211 >I finally got around to buying Islands after all these years. And as much >as I have enjoyed every other King Crimson album to one degree or another, >this one is a REAL dog. It almost sounds like another band aping the most >tedious parts of Lizard. Despite a few clever bits of lyric writing (Ladies >of the Road) the overall quality is one of outtakes that weren't strong >enough to go on other Crimson albums. I'm always suprised by this reaction. I love Islands. It's one of my favorites. I just got it on CD as I'm duplicating my whole Crimso collection on CD. Wonderful to hear it without the "bacon and eggs" of my horribly worn vinyl copy. I like Lizard too, BTW. You get to hear Jon Anderson sing with Crimso, and you get to hear "Dinosaur Pt. 1" B-{)} >If you don't have Islands, don't lose any sleep over it. If you don't have Islands, go check it out. You may love it. There is a lot of music there. The only Crimso album I don't care for is Three of a Perfect Pair, but I certainly wouldn't recommend not listening to it. - Sez [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 9 Aug 95 15:00:51 BST From: Toby Howard Subject: next KC US CD5 rumour I have heard that this will be: 1. Sex (Edit) 2. One Time (Edit) 3. Walking on Air (Live US) 4. Heartbeat (Live Argentina) 5. Silent Night (Frippertronics) I have no other info (like release dates etc) so please don't ask! Toby [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] The views expressed in Elephant Talk are those of the individual authors only. Elephant Talk is released for the personal use of readers. No commercial use may be made of the material unless permission is granted by the author. Toby Howard, Elephant Talk editor. http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/staff-db/toby-howard.html toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]