From elephant-talk at arastar dot comSun Aug 6 11:37:06 1995 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:35:02 +0800 From: elephant-talk at arastar dot com Reply to: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: elephant-talk at anthor dot arastar dot com Subject: Elephant-talk digest v95 #211 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 211, Thursday, 3 August 1995 Today's Topics: Re: Sacred Songs Soundscapes: going from Balt/DC? Fripp as Nostradamus King Crimson Cover Songs Wish List Crimso covers, and my fave Fripp solo. Bruford and the Beat Searching for King Crimson related images SAOTW Re: #2(3) Elephant-talk digest v95 #210 RE: ?? the tour update Sacred Songs King Crimson covers Tony and Bill on 'The Difference' April Wine cover of 21st Century Man Men, mice, Fripp, and Torn Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #210 Annette Peacock More Crimson covers... Clueless and slightly slack KC covers Ian McDonald Frippertronics on tape Richard Thompson/RFripp Sacred Songs on CD King Crimson Covers Fripp equipment Bruford's Female Vocalist one final Moorcock KC's sound quality and RF´s hide and seek Re: Crimson Covers Elephant-talk digest v95 #210 Sacred Chaos Cat Food again and again Thrak review??? B'BOOM live album - Q review Re: Crimson covers exist??? DISC: CAMILLA again RED covered by Either/Orchestra RF attempts to incite riot (Sacred Songs) Re: Backwards Frippertronics Re: Peter Hammill shows Re: #2(3) Elephant-talk digest v95 #210 Dusty Roads Mastelotto REVIEWS: NEW DGM RELEASES Islands Another Crimso cover Soundscapes and Frippertronics/JamMan vs. TC2290? KC/Bruford stuff (ET210) first day lyrics RE: Perfect Pair video U.K. Reunion? KC Covers Fripp/David Torn Similarities REVIEW LCG INTERGALACTIC update Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #210 Plant a tree for KC! Chicago/Exposure more covers Soundscape /CGT Tour ticket info 1000 years and Sylvian counterfeits and pirates Re: Fred Lewis Orchestra (Levin) Re: Chicago/Exposure Fripp/KC & Roches TGD SCANDINAVIA/HAMMILL/B'boom Some new OREOs CrimsOnline bruford book Update US, UK & Japan Distribution ET re.Unthinking idolatry of Fripp & Crimson Those Darn Zany Brothers ... Re:ET digest #203 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] POSTS: Please send all posts to toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk ARCHIVES: The ET archives are: WWW: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/elephant-talk.html FTP: The Americas: ftp.qualcomm.com, in /pub/et FTP: Rest of world: ftp.cs.man.ac.uk, in /pub/toby/elephant-talk EMAIL: Send "index elephant-talk" to listserv at arastar dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Sorry that this issue is so large -- a combination of me being away over the last weekend, and a mountain of posts! -- Toby [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Toby Subject: volunteer wanted... ..to collect together all the recent information about covers of Crimson songs, and to make and maintain a Web page to link into the ET collection? Anyone interested please email me direct (toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk). Thanks Toby [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Toby Subject: Announcing Rock Slides/Screen Saver give-away Check out the new Rock Slides site at http://www.rockslide.com. Their featured artist is currently King Crimson, and in conjunction with ET they're running a free August give-away competition for their KC screen saver. Details are at http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/et/rockslides/contest.html. Be there or be square! Toby [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Malcolm Humes Subject: CrimsOnline Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Maybe I just missed it, but I hadn't noticed any mention yet of the new CrimsOnline Web site I stumbled across this week. Imagine my surprise when I saw a downloadable Fripp Aphorisms program for Windows, Fripp ina Box in Real Audio and the Fripp Stacks! http://www.rockslide.com/crimson/ I'm really surpised if no one mentioned it yet, but it looks pretty new. Rockslide was lisetd in Netscape's what's new this week, I think. Wonder if we can get the Aphorism Quote Generator and the Oblique Strategies generators working togetehr to produce some cutups merging the two? - Malcolm mal at emf dot net http://www.emf.net/~mal/ P.S. I finally got a full piece of my music on the web, see my pages above, this piece is very Crimson influenced. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 26 Jul 1995 22:28:00 +0200 From: rito at site46 dot ping dot at (Thomas Riha) Subject: Re: Sacred Songs Organization: Amuse - Austrian Music Service on 26 Jul 95 wrote: >on some "Exposure" tracks.) I've been searching for a CD version ever >since. I welcome anyone's suggestions about where to find it. The album is available on CD! I hold it here in my hands and bought it in Munich a few months ago . It's a Japanese pressing: Daryl Hall: Sacred Songs, BMG/RCA BVCP-2091 (released 1992) PS: RF's Exposure-album is availlable on CD too. thomas riha [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 17:19:43 EDT From: sale5312 at cs dot fredonia dot edu (Marty Saletta) Subject: Soundscapes: going from Balt/DC? This is a bit of a classified ad, but here it goes anyway... Are there any readers of ET in the Baltimore MD area going to the Soundscapes show in Georgetown? If so, do you have room for a fellow Fripp junkie? I'm very interested in seeing this show (and the CGT again!), but I don't know anyone else interested in going and attending alone doesn't interest me. My girlfriend has been a good sport going with me to Belew and other shows, but this may be a little too deep for her top-40 ears. I'd share expenses, etc. My email address is: sale5312 at cs dot fredonia dot edu --or-- marty dot saletta at trw dot com Cheers! Marty [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:02 EDT From: MARKCH at midd dot cc dot middlebury dot edu Subject: Fripp as Nostradamus I was flipping through the ET archives today and I noticed something quite interesting in Dave Mandl's 2/5/91 interview of Fripp for Reflex magazine: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DM: So you think that in general, people will always get itchy and look for new things, new places to find new inspiration and ideas. RF: I think how it goes it this: Music tends to move in seven-year cycles. '56: Presley, rock 'n' roll; '63: Beatles; '70: progressive, psychedelic; '77: punk/new wave; '84: on one hand, New Music, on the other, World Music; 1991: something is going to happen, we don't know. But there is a need for something new, which as a musician I have a sense that something is about to emerge. I can only trust my musician's bones. DM: Any idea what it might be? RF: No idea, other than: when it appears, it will be quite new, and we'll say "Where did that come from," and then, immediately as it's appeared, we'll say, "Well, that was obvious, it had to happen like that." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1991 proved to be the year that grunge broke with the release of Nivanna's Nevermind abruptly altering the face of music industry pidgeon-holing as we knew it. Ya think RF is onto something? murkie [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: David Kirkdorffer Date: 26 Jul 95 18:20:08 EDT Subject: King Crimson Cover Songs Wish List Imagine the scene... It's the end of a day's rehearsal. Some good moments have been had by all. The material for the next album is hot stuff! But, all are eager to continue with the positive energy they've created. And the tape recorder still has 20 minutes left on the reel... Adrian says, "Hey, let's do a cover of a song." And Tony replies, "What do you think the readers of ET would like to hear us play?" Robert dials into Toby's WWW Server and takes a quick poll of those actively on-line.. My vote: Peter Gunn and/or James Bond themes (I think KC would be a "killer" spy-jazz rock band) And your vote? [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 22:34:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Lake Subject: Crimso covers, and my fave Fripp solo. HI there. In response to the search for Crimso covers, I have two to suggest. First of all, there's a great band out of Toronto called Glueleg with a heavy Crimso influence. Their first full-lenghth album was out late last year, called _Heroic Doses_. On it is a great cover of "Red". Glueleg has a nice heavy sound and I think a lot of Crimsonites would approve. At the other end of the spectrum is another band out of Toronto called The Look People, which unfortunately disbanded a little while ago. They're twisted in a Zappa/Spike Jonesish way. Check out their cover of "21st..." on the album _Small Fish, Big Pond_. Not necessarily for Crimheads, but I like it. My fave Fripp solo: "Asbury Park" on _USA_. Gotta be. I'd give my right arm to play that well... :-) Hi, Tony, hope you're enjoying your "time off". I think I'll buy a stick after all. Take care Jason Lake :-| "It looked like a Purple Piper Eater to me." [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Sean Brady Subject: Bruford and the Beat Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:53:37 +1000 (EST) To any Australian readers, I have a "spare" copy of the above video available for trade. This is the oft-described Bruford instructional video circa '82, highly entertaining, complete with snippets of Bill hitting pads that go: bzzzzzz! and whoooozshta!! (with a nice chromakey background). RF's on there as well sounding like he's giving Bill a reference, and Steve Howe talks for a bit about the halcyon YES days, before Bruford goes on to bag them! As I say, entertaining. Anyhow, it's surplus to my needs, so interested parties please e-mail. ###### BTW: In the last ET, someone asks about a female singer on One Of A Kind - you would have to mean American avant gard singer-songwriter jazz poetess Annette Peacock who appears on a fair wedge of Bill's first: Feels Good To Moi (the fantastic album cover to which has Bruford posing very intimately with a very large gong). I don't know about "out-of-tune" (partly because I'm tone deaf myself) but she's definitely jazz, baby. Check out her album X-DREAMS, 'tis a beauty and PLEASE NOTE KC LINK HERE - Bill Bruford plays drums on a few tracks; done around the time of that album. - Sean. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:34:51 +0300 (CET-DST) From: MOLDOVAN_A at DEBVAX dot DEB dot MATAV dot HU Subject: Searching for King Crimson related images Hi all! I would like to get some King Crimson related images on Internet. If you have any info, please reply. Thank you. Akos Moldovan from Hungary. ( MOLDOVAN_A at DEBALI dot DEB dot MATAV dot HU ) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 01:00:58 -0400 From: StevenTice at aol dot com Subject: SAOTW Are the lyrics to Sunday All Over The World available anywhere? Thanks! SET [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:22:27 -0400 From: AFCPeterS at aol dot com Subject: Re: #2(3) Elephant-talk digest v95 #210 > Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 11:46:27 -0600 > From: tedward at geographix dot com (geographix) > Subject: KC/Bruford stuff > > On the Bruford album, "One of a kind" I think it is, there is a > female singer with the oddest, off tone sort of voice on the > second song. I love this, does anyone know if she (I don't > know her name since, like I said, I don't have the album handy) > sings anywhere else? The singer is Annette Peacock, and she appears not on _One of a Kind_ but on _Feels Good to Me_. She is a jazz composer and pianist of some repute, and has several solo albums to her credit. I don't have a complete discography handy, but from memory, her first album was called _I'm the One_, long out of print. It was on RCA; I don't think it's been reissued on CD anywhere. If you can find it, grab it. Around the time of the Bruford album, she put out a couple of albums on Tomato: _X-Dreams_ and _The Perfect Release_. These have been reissued on CD by Femme/Line. _X-Dreams_ features Bruford on one track, the 11-minute "Real and Defined Androgens" (a musical dissertation on man's relationship to pornography). Both albums are highly recommended. Somewhere in here, she also recorded a live album with keyboardist Paul Bley and percussionist Han Bennink, issued on a small label. After the Tomato albums (I believe they never paid Peacock), she formed her own label, Ironic Records. The first four releases - including _Sky-Skating_, _Been in the Streets Too Long_, _I Have No Feelings_ and one I forget - sounded like home 4-track recordings (probably because they were). I hesitate to recommend these to anyone but the dedicated collector. However, the fifth Ironic release, _abstract-contact_, is a welcome return to form. In particular, the 13+ minute track, "Elect Yourself," is slammin'. There may be a few other odd albums on which she appears, but nothing comes to mind. Her compositions, however, show up on many albums, especially those by Paul Bley and bassist Gary Peacock. Peter Stoller [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Mathews, Thomas J." Subject: RE: ?? the tour update Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 08:18:00 EST >ROBERT FRIPP: SOLO SOUNDSCAPES w/ THE CALIFORNIA >GUITAR TRIO & LOS GAUCHOS ALEMANES TOUR UPDATE: I can figure out those first two entries but who are the Los Gauchos Alemanes and what is their connection to Fripp? I can only think of a silly answer like The Gauchos are famous for their horsemanship and/or skill in guerilla warfare and Miguel Aleman was a former president of Mexico. Politics or warfare we'll be ready in DC (maybe by then I'll have recovered from KC). [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:13:24 -0700 From: tntmusic at halcyon dot com (Kevin J. O'Conner d.b.a. Tinty Music) Subject: Sacred Songs >From the latest issue of ET, I see there's the need to correct some of the inadvertent misinformation regarding Daryl Hall's Sacred Songs album. >Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 18:47:41 -0400 >From: Otherroad at aol dot com >Subject: Re:Robert Fripp/Daryl Hall > >Regarding Mike Dixon's inquiry of SACRED SONGS, I have the LP you're >discussing. Regrettably it was never released on CD. Sacred Songs was released on CD in September 1992 by BMG-Victor in Japan. As far as I know, this CD is still available - catalog no. BVCP-2091 (74321113622), Y2,000). >Finally, about three years after it was produced, it saw the light of day >(1980). In a gleeful and satiric stab at RCA, the inside sleeve photo >shows Hall impishly rescuing his tapes from the vaults. It was Fripp's >original intention that this album, EXPOSURE, and Peter Gabriel's second >album (which he also produced) should form an MOR trilogy. However that >got screwed up because of delays in his own album (released in 1978)... I believe it was Peter Gabriel's second album that came out in 1978. Exposure was released in 1979. >If you can find it somewhere, grab it. Perhaps someone on the net might >have a copy to sell (although I sure wouldn't let mine go). I wonder if >there's any way Fripp could rescue this gem and release it on Discipline. >Hey, Dinokiller, what about it? He'd have to secure the rights from BMG, which controls the master. re: Daryl Hall on Exposure I'm less clear on this one, but contractual problems reduced Daryl Hall's contributions to Exposure, resulting in Peter Hammill's vocals on "You burn me up I'm a cigarette", etc. Hall's vocals have been restored on the Definitive Edition CD reissue. Kevin Kevin J. O'Conner d.b.a. Tinty Music P.O. Box 85363 Seattle, WA 98145-1363 vox: (206) 632-9369 fax/modem: (206) 545-2868 e-mail: tntmusic at halcyon dot com zzs32874 at pcvan dot or dot jp. http://www.halcyon.com/tntmusic/welcome.htm http://www.artistaccess.com/cdaudio/tinty/tinty.htm [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:13:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Sanjay Krishnaswamy Subject: King Crimson covers Add this to the list of covers: a local Cambridge (MA, USA) jazz outfit called the Either/Orchestra has done "Red." They're pretty well known right now owing to the success of their latest album, "the Brunt," so you might be able to get your hands on "The Half-Life of Desire," which has "Red" on it. An interesting cover, actually -- the E/O is a sort of modern big band and, IMHO, is better suited to doing, say, Sun Ra kind of stuff. But they love rhythmic play the same way King Crimson seems to and their red is cute because they expand the bridge section a lot and get the echo effect without electronics. On the other hand their version is a lot less muscular than the original -- it makes John Wetton seem really amazing to realize he could generate a "bigger" sound, than the entire Either/Orchestra. -Sanjay _______________________________________________________________________________ Sanjay Krishnaswamy skrishna at opal dot tufts dot edu skrishna at diamond dot tufts dot edu _______________________________________________________________________________ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:43:28 -0700 From: lantz at primenet dot com (Bill Lantz) Subject: Tony and Bill on 'The Difference' qTony Levin and Bill Bruford were guests on 'The Difference' hosted by Todd Rundgren broadcast here in the Phoenix area on KZON on July 22, 1995. They spoke about the band and Todd spun a few cuts off Thrak and one off Beat. The whole thing ran about 30 minutes. Contact me if you are interested in a copy. I'm searching in vain for that '95 NYC video if anyone would care to arrange a trade. I have alot of KC to offer in addition to the above. Thanks, Bill [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:19:25 -0400 From: d240663 at er dot uqam dot ca (Vincent LeBlanc) Subject: April Wine cover of 21st Century Man Hi there! The April Wine album featuring 21 Century Man is "Harder Faster", it was released here in Canada around 1978 or 1979 on Aquarius label. Its hard to tell if this album was ever released in the US, since AW, a big name at that time in Canada, never had much popularity in the US. Vincent. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:37:42 -0500 From: stagda at sys1 dot ic dot ncs dot com (David Stagner) Subject: Men, mice, Fripp, and Torn This is a followup to Rune Johnsrud's post about David Torn, and the similarities between him and Fripp. I think, Rune, that you'll find Torn and Fripp even closer than you thought. Their strongest association seems to be in the mid-80s. David Torn released his *outstanding* "Clouds about Mercury" album with none other than Bill Bruford and Tony Levin in the rhythm section! This is an ECM release, but might be out of print. If you can find it, I highly recommend picking it up. It marked Bruford's return to electronic percussion after the post-KC hiatus (remember "Flag" with Pat Moraz?), and I think it is some of the always-amazing Bruford's finest work ever. Around the same time, both Torn and Fripp played on David Sylvian's "Secrets of the Beehive", and Torn held the touring guitar chair later occupied by Fripp. The strongest similarity I see in their playing is their mutual taste for ambient tape loops, and their fantastic originality. But musically, Torn is coming from more of a jazz background (he also backed Don Cherry), while Fripp seems to have a 20th century classical feel. And from an eastern viewpoint, Torn is more influenced by Indian music, while Fripp's playing might be more Balinese. But both are such phenomenally creative musicians that it really isn't fair to judge either of them this way. * David Faron Stagner * National Computer Systems david_stagner at ic dot ncs dot com * 2510 N Dodge St vox 319 354 9200 ext 6884 * Iowa City, IA 52244 fax 319 339 6555 I disclaim my employer and I'm sure they'd disclaim me too. (This .sig has been sanitized for your protection) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:04:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Heck Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #210 Some comments. Nadav Cline writes: I bought my copies of Discipline, Beat, and Three of a PP the days they came out (way back when there was only one CD player on the market, the Sony D5 I believe) --y'know, they have paper stickers/song lists pasted directly onthe CD's. Well, I thought the fidelity was the cat's pajamas at the time, but now the tremendous hiss etc. on them is getting intolerable. How is the fidelity on YOUR Crimson CD's of this period? Would buying new copies help at all? Are later copies of the CD's different? ----- It might well. The mastering process for CDs--as well, for that matter, as the AD conversion process, has come a long way in, what, almost ten years now? Of course, that won't matter much if the CDs haven't been re-mastered since those original releases: But, even still, the manufacturing process has also improved. You might want just to check out a newer copy of one of them and see if it makes a difference. ----- M. S. AtKisson writes, re Sacred Songs To my scant memory, it seems that this Fripp-produced Daryl Hall album was supposed to be part of a triology that included Exposure, and the Peter Gabriel album that includes "Here Comes the Flood". For whatever coporate reasons,they were released way out of synch. ----- Actually, the relevant Gabriel album is, as others have already said, the 1978 release, sometimes known as Scratch. (There's Car, then Scratch, then Melt.... They're described that way on a poster for So that I own.) Though "Here Comes the Flood" is indeed on Exposure, and is on Car, Car is not the one produced by Fripp. Speaking of Gabriel, just thought I'd mention that I found a copy, a short time ago, of an LP called "Deutsche Album". This is not the same as "Ein deutsche Album", which was Melt with German lyrics. It's Security with German lyrics--and the order of the songs also seems to have been changed, though I've not had a chance to check that out. ----- Richard [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 09:05:42 -0700 From: walters at digidesign dot com (Tim Walters) Subject: Annette Peacock tedward at geographix dot com (geographix) asks: >On the Bruford album, "One of a kind" I think it is, there is a female >singer with the oddest, off tone sort of voice on the second song. I love >this, does anyone know if she (I don't know her name since, like I said, I >don't have the album handy) sings anywhere else? Her name is Annette Peacock. I have two of her albums: _I'm the One_ and _X-Dreams_. _I'm the One_ is very quirky/trippy early 70s pop-jazz, and she sings through a ring modulator a lot. This is definitely worth snagging from the used bin. _X-Dreams_ strives for greater normality and succeeds sufficiently that I've never made it to side two. Tim Walters walters at digidesign dot com Tim Walters walters at digidesign dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 12:29:54 EDT From: david at Visix dot COM (David Charlap) Subject: More Crimson covers... Here's another for you: 21ST CENTURY SCHITZOID MAN Emerson Lake & Palmer Return Of The Manticore (box set) It's missing the guitar/drum/sax work in the middle (Mirrors), replacing it with some Kieth Emerson keyboard work. A bit different from the original, but pretty good. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:56:50 EDT From: keeley at MAYER dot PHYSICS dot HOPE dot EDU Subject: Clueless and slightly slack I got interested in KC during the Discipline era and, although I love the older stuff, have only ever purchased the Young Person's Guide (on LP) and the 2 boxed sets on CD (as well as THRAK/VROOOM etc.) My KC interest is growing again (thanks in no small part to this forum - thanks Toby!!!!!) and I am looking at the CD's thinking about which ones to get first (if at all). One of the issues is that I have a lot of the stuff from the CDs on Frame by Frame and The Great Deceiver. One question that continues to elude me though is"What is the difference between "Starless and Bible Black" on the SaBB album and "Starless" on the Red album. I've looked through the back issues thanks to the new index (a real treat, btw) and didn't get any help. Could someone enlighten me? thanks. Bob Keeley [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:57:56 -0400 From: dshaw at tiac dot net (David G. Shaw) Subject: KC covers In ET #210, Albin Michael Rose wrote: >Crimso covers exist?!?... >...I'd love to hear a saxophone quartet or a string quartet doing a very >straight cover of "Discipline." Imagine Kronos Quartet doing ToaPP. I'm new to the list, and this may have gone by already, but have you heard the cover of "Red" by the Either/Orchestra? E/O is a Boston based big band led by saxaphonist Russ Gershon, a killer arranger. When E/O had a guitarist in the lineup, they recorded the tune, which appears on their CD "The Half-Life of Desire" on Accurate Records. If readers of thsis list are interested, I have a few stories about KC, Fripp, & Belew from my music-reviewing days I'd be happy to relate... [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 27 Jul 95 13:10:15 EDT From: Andy Davidson <71034 dot 2253 at compuserve dot com> Subject: Ian McDonald > Not Foreigner this time, but is he also the author of "Revolution in the Head - > The Beatles' Records and the Sixties"? Yes, I believe that the author of that book *is* the same Ian McDonald from the early King Crimson band. Andy Davidson davidson at microware dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 27 Jul 1995 13:29:06 -0500 From: "Jessup, Andrew" Subject: Frippertronics on tape I have come into a first-gen copy of the 02/05/78 1st show from The Kitchen, NYC [NOT the "Pleasure in Pieces" boot; that's from the 2nd show]. The tape is excellent AUD, about 75 min long. I am interested in TRADING -- ideally for other Frippertronics shows, but other Fripp/KC things just might work, too ;-). Write if interested... cheers, --Andrew (eaj at rti dot org) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Scott Schleifer" Organization: EQE International Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 10:36:41 PST Subject: Richard Thompson/RFripp On the Richard Thompson mailing list, someone started a thread re: who would be the worst possible producer for the next Thompson album. Someone posted Fripp's name, and here's the reply. Thought y'all might be interested. Begin included message.... >4) Robert Fripp Does no one see the connection with Robert Fripp and David Sylvian, to Robert Fripp and our Thomu? "Gone to Earth" ( non CD ) by Sylvian and a guest sit in by an acoustic and electric Fripp...rivals the very best of Richard. Fripp's influence on RT would get the Bonnie Rait,Chris Smithers, Stefan Grossman, Harvey Reid, Susan Vega thing over with. Fripp would give Richard structure, give him ideas, pull the explorer out of him, and put this leftover Linda resentment, and circus routine down! The worst producer?...maybe...but not the worst influence. Richard needs a musically brave playmate...The very best moments of SOTL, Calvery Cross...* fill in the blank * would reimerge in Richards Consciousness, and compell him into innovative "knighthood". "Mirror" and "Beat the Retreat" tribute show painfully how today's producer view him as 'cute' and a 'gester'... Fripp as a producer could bring Richard and Danny to a new state of urgency with their music.. the "journey" qualities of Richard's music with a potential Fripp are spellbinding! End included message... - Scott (sms at eqe dot com)(who is still blown away by the 2nd KC Warfield show in San Francisco!!!) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Jonathan King Tash Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:36:45 -0700 Subject: Sacred Songs on CD I recently obtained a Japanese import copy from a web store at http://cdnow.com/ Jonathan King Tash wk: Harlequin Inc. hm: 55 Newell Rd #224 tash at harlequin dot com (415) 833-4031 Palo Alto CA 94303 http://http.cs.berkeley.edu/~tash (415) 323-5616 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 13:36:15 -0600 From: wcgraham at acs dot ucalgary dot ca Subject: King Crimson Covers Just to be a completist... When Larry King was on David Letterman's show, Paul and the band launched into "In The Court..." as he walked on. It was so late and the song so out of context that it took three repetitions of the "aaahhhhhh, ahhhh, ah aaahhhh" before I put my finger on it. Chris [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 27 Jul 1995 16:23:49 -0600 From: "John Ott" Subject: Fripp equipment Fripp equipment Recent posts have asked about How Robert Fripp produces soundscapes: Several posts have attemped to explain soundscapes. Well get the info on all his gear from his tech (John Sinks) via Guitar Player in July 95 available online at: gopher://gopher.enews.com/00/magazines/alphabetic/all/guitar_player/Archive/0701 As to the sax tab question? Guitar World of July 95 had the tab for bass and guitar for 21st Century Schizoid Man. I've not seen the sax music anywhere. As to the recent thread on best FR solo. I vote for "I'll Come Running" from Brian Eno's "Another Green World" It's is not the most technically difficult, but it soars and makes a perfect bridge to the fade-out chorus. I think that it fits RF's definition of true. q And it catches the mode of the song and lifts it. In fact I'm going ot go home and put it on. "I'll find a place somewhere in the corner I'm going to waste the rest of my days ..." B Eno [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:28:13 -0400 From: EliezerK at aol dot com Subject: Bruford's Female Vocalist Ted Ward asked: > On the Bruford album, "One of a kind" I think it is, there is a female singer with the oddest, off tone sort of voice on the second song. I love this, does anyone know if she (I don't know her name since, like I said, I don't have the album handy) sings anywhere else? < That would be Annette Peacock. She does have some albums of her own out- she's been on the scene for quite a while. I don't know about the CD situation, but a vinyl album released on Tomato circa 1980, titled 'The Perfect Release', is well worth seeking out. EK [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:54:38 +1100 From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James) Subject: one final Moorcock My last word on this... (unless I pick up some info from Michael Moorcock when I see him next year :)... 'The Time of the Hawklords' was written by Michael Butterworth, with Moorcock listed as "co-author, producer and director". Seems Butterworth (NOT a pseudonym of Moorcock's) wrote the book based on Moorcock's ideas. And now, back to your advertised programme... :) James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 00:08:23 GMT From: orno at mmedia dot is (Orn Orrason) Subject: KC's sound quality and RF´s hide and seek Dear ET readers The gig reviews did have one common point of complains, the sound was not good enough, badly mixed. Robert seems to pay attention to sound quality judging from his numerous reissues of remixed CD's. KC '81-'84 suffered >from bad recordings, they were thin, had limited dynamic range and frequency range. In my opinion KC sounded better 10 years before that on LP's like LTIA and SABB. THRAK is also a bit dissapointment here. The sound lacks opneness and is to cluttered in the middle. It is obviously not easy to record well such a band with 6 master musicians that all are active all the time at once. It was recorded in Peter Gabriels studio which is supposed to be high tech but it as always the man behind the controls who are most vital. However PG's US album also sounds similar, that is very dark with no real high ends. KC want´s to show us the music of the future, why not also the sound quality of the future. Has anybody paid attention to the game RF played in the last tour, namely hide and seek. He was not to be seen in the concert, someone put a statue of RF on a chair in the darkness (well nobody saw him move or stand up). He never showed up after concerts. Where was Bobby ?. In last ET someone saw him at the local pub , so that is the solution. It is now known that RF does not even stand up for farting (according to a music magazine)). -------------- One suggestion to KC for improvement: try to share time while playing, that is don´t play all at once, do it in more in the jazz tradition (Bill would love that), regards ***************************************** * Orn Orrason * * M.Sc.Electrical Engineer and Manager * * Multi-Detector Systems Ltd * * Skulatun 6 * * 105 Reykjavik * * Iceland * * Fax 354-551 1273 * * Phone 354-551 1244 * * E-mail orno at mmedia dot is * ***************************************** [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 23:19:59 -0400 From: Slyceit at aol dot com Subject: Re: Crimson Covers Primus not only played around with "Sartori in Tangier" they also blazed through a ripping instrumental version of "Thela Hun Gingeet" during the midnight baloon drop of their New Years 83-84 show. But the most impressive cover I've seen is by a great San Francisco Bay Area act called Mason Lane. They are obviously inspired by harder edged KC and Rush. Their version of LTiA2 is absolutely amazing! I've seen other bands attempt Crimson but none as well as Mason Lane. They manage to make the song sound like one of their own while really capturing the Crimson spirit. Definately swinging for the fence. I rarely see newer bands look like they're risking anything onstage any more. But these guys dance gleefully on the precipice of chaos. A must see for all Bay Area KC fans who feel there is nothing good in the clubs these days. Honorable mention goes to another local band, "Dr. Obvious" for they're cover of Schizoid Man Lucius [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 15:31:49 -0700 From: elephant-talk at arastar dot com (by way of keddy at deltanet dot com (Kevin Eddy)) Subject: Elephant-talk digest v95 #210 stuff. The Gabriel cover on it is NY3 (NYCNY on Daryl's LP), and it's actually a Fripp song from Exposure. If I remember correctly (again) this LP was released as part of a Trilogy that Fripp was putting out that consisted of Exposure, Sacred Songs and.........I can't remember what the other one was. It might have been PG's first solo release. Also, Daryl Hall sung on more than a couple of songs on Exposure, ie. You burn me up I'm a cigarette, North Star, I may not have had enough of me, etc.. It's an LP worth picking up if you can find it, but Exposure is actually much better, If you're looking for a combo of Fripp and Hall. -Lewis [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 22 Jul 1995 22:55:48 -0400 From: LarksTngue at aol dot com Subject: Sacred Songs Correction After I made my last post, I put on Exposure. It was quite excellent, as I hadn't listened to it in years. When the song "I may not have had enough of me, but I've had enough of you" came on I realised that I inadvertently attributed the vocals to Daryl Hall, but it's actually Peter Hammill. So sorry -Lewis [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: aprasad at ccs dot carleton dot ca (Anil Prasad) Subject: Erm... reviews anyone? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 95 3:49:11 EDT Okay, There's three new Fripp-related releases out there... new soundscapes, new crafties and the official Thrak bootleg. There's also been a deafening silence in terms of the amount of discussion these releases have generated. Howzabout some reviews folks? Or is this list primarily made up of North Americans who have yet to gain access to these releases? :-) ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ Anil Prasad aprasad at ccs dot carleton dot ca ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Subject: About men and mice! From: rune dot johnsrud at infolink dot no (Rune Johnsrud) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 17:11:38 +0100 Organization: InfoLink Datatjenester AS About men and mice... (or something ;-) Two things... Has anyone here heard the resemblance in the audio-soundscaping- guitarplaying realm, between our beloved guitar-God R. Fripp, and the humble (but oh-so God-like) guitar player David Torn. Personally I consider him to be "the jazz" version of Robert Fripp. This impression just got stronger when I bought David Torn's latest album; "Tripping Over God". If that's not enough, I have reason to believe that the two gentlemen have been THIS close to meeting (if they have not already). You see, David Torn is a frequent visitor in the realm of Mick Karn, Steve Jansen & Richard Barbieri, and these stellar musicians have been known to play as the backing-band (when not doing they're own thang) for a previously ET mentioned band named No-Man, with which Robert Fripp has delivered lots'n'lots of solid guitar playing. And again, if that's not enough, the "Tripping Over God" album is a totally guitar-created thing (except for some perc. & bass noises), and there are LOT's of soundscaping going on here you see. (And it's one FU..... neat album, tough, but extremely neat!) The second item on the agenda: Why does King Crimson consider Scandinavia (esp. Norway) to be made of nothing but AIR! I only begged for ONE concert within the Scandinavian borders, but the God(s) have not listened to me in any way.... Why does it have to be this way... Being a frequent ET reader, I'm almost rendered incapable of speech and movement for several days after reading all the SUPERB gig reviews posted here. It's not fair, it's not fair I tell's ya! KC might not have sold 10 million albums over here, but I KNOW for a fact that they have sold enough to hold at least ONE concert. (I'm begging here! ;) Oh... This is the LAST item (I promise!!!!): For those of you out there who understand the Norwegian language, I just have to mention a "little" project I'm partaking in on my spare time. It's called "ProgNetik", and it's the only (bi-monthly) magazine in Norway (and possibly Scandinavia) that covers progressive -and symphonic music in depth. And in our newest Issue (NR. 6), thanks to one of our readers, we have been able to get a gig-review >from the KC show at "The Royal Albert Hall" in London. For a free sample, write to my eMail address, or use the following snail-mail address (doesn't matter where you live in the whole wide world!!): ProgNetik Stalsberggata 20 N-2010 STR0MMEN NORWAY Ah... One more thing... This is my first posting to ET, and all typos are mine, Mine, MINE!!!!! Rune Johnsrud ProgNetik - "Editorial staff" | Rune A. Johnsrud | ProgNetik (editor) | | rune dot johnsrud at infolink dot no | "Home of Progressive Music" | -> ProgNetik "On The Air", 106.8, 22.30 - 24.00 TIRSDAGER! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 16:06:53 -0400 From: ritch at mail dot htp dot com (Ritch Calvin) Subject: Fripp & Fripperies Hi all: I know this thread is a bit old, but I still see it kicking around (I can't even recall who originated it!). Anyway, I 'm surprised that no one has noticed that the original poster would have Robert Fripp, the founder and fire of KC, reduced to a mere frippery! Well, it amused me, anyway. Ritch Calvin [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 19:30:02 -0400 From: LarksTngue at aol dot com Subject: Belew and Fripp on Terry Fresh's Gross Air /Oh--and a p.s. to whomever first titillated us with the "Fripp /and Belew on /Fresh Air" tidbit--was that just to generate demand? Or did /you hear a /different interview somewhere? YES!! I heard some interview with RF on NPR and an interview with AB some month's later on the same station. This was in the late 80's or early 90's and I had forgotten about it until I joined ET. I thought they were interviewed by a woman, but I might be mistaken. That's all I can remember. I know it was on NPR and I know it happened!!! I did not imagine it (at least that's what I keep telling myself). Robert Fripp Mainly talked about his philosophy, and how he taught his guitar school students how to properly lift their fingers off of the gtr strings upon the resolution of a note. That's all I remember. I hope someone out there can find these, 'cos I want a copy just to prove my sanity (ok, to prove that I'm not totally insane). -Lewis [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:00:20 +1300 From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James) Subject: Crimso covers Terry, Don't forget Opus III's techno cover of "I Talk to the Wind" (on their "Mind Fruit" album) James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:46:05 -0500 (EST) From: "M. S. AtKisson" Subject: Sacred Songs Michael Dixon is wondering about Sacred Songs... To my scant memory, it seems that this Fripp-produced Daryl Hall album was supposed to be part of a triology that included Exposure, and the Peter Gabriel album that includes "Here Comes the Flood". For whatever coporate reasons,they were released way out of synch. I think that all the songs on Sacred Songs are Daryl Hall (and sometimes Fripp) compositions. A version of "Here Comes the Flood" is on Exposure, as well. My review? This is an interesting album. The title song is an answer to a girlfriend who wants to be immortalized in one of his songs. His answer is no--"They're all sacred songs/they're not easily won," and "I'd have to face you again and again." There are also lots of references to Hall's interest in Aleister Crowley and many other things magickal. My favorite tune, though is "Babs and Babs", which not only has an interesting Fripp break in the middle, but also holds some interesting comments on relationships. How does Sacred Songs relate to Exposure? In some ways they are both comments on Life and Work. Who knows what the artists were intending. Currently trying to convince my band to cover "Mary"... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * M. S. (Peg) AtKisson * (matkisso at opal dot tufts dot edu) * "That is the way that it is Department of Neuroscience * because it is that way." Tufts University School of Medicine * Boston, Massachusetts * Robert Fripp [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 06:23:45 -0700 From: Michael Tanigawa Subject: Rembrandts Another KC cover: The chorus to "Epitaph" appears on ELP's "Welcome Back My Friends ...". I think this is right after "Battlefield". Mike Tanigawa Sr. Customer Support Engineer Alta Group of Cadence Design Systems [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 16:35:14 BST From: totos at dds dot nl (Pierre) Subject: Hi all&Re:Fracture tab Hi, everybody! This is my first ET letter, so wow! Being a 2 1/2 years old Crimhead I read ET constantly , though I'm not a wizz-kid. I get ET through my friend who's subscribed to it. We both visited The Hague show, and sure enough, for us both it was simply stunning. But we won't write anything about that, well it was a date anyway... In some issue (#206, i believe)of ET somebody asked for a tab of "fracture". One can find it at http:\\huizen.dds.nl\~piero\fracture.tab. I'm not quite sure about some pieces, so if somebody's interested and can contribute some more ideas about that, mail my fellow schizoid Kirik (totos at dds dot nl) and we'll work it out. Pierre Kourzanoff, the Netherlands, Leiden. piero at dds dot nl [But please don't think I'm a Dutchman or have something to do with France :) ] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "People are people, and they are basically bad" Zappa. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 12:20:58 -0400 From: george_wiles at emh3 dot arl dot mil (George C. IV Wiles) Subject: RE: Fripp and Daryll Hall >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 14:05:30 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Michael Dixon (COAS)" >Subject: Fripp and Daryl Hall (Sacred Songs?) >Anyway, my query concerns a release in the early eighties of Daryl Hall >(yes, he of Hall and Oates fame). Fripp played on it, and possibly >produced. Anyone else heard this? If I remember correctly, this wasn't >a bad piece of work- done at around the same time that Fripp and Peter >Gabriel worked on PG's second one. There may have even been a Gabriel song >on it- I used to have the vinyl but it has been gone for years. The album is Sacred Songs, and was indicated as part of a trilogy consisting of it, Gabriel II and Exposure, back when Mr. Fripp was more generous with the liner notes. I enjoy it alot, but I was a fringe Hall & Oates fan before discovering Fripp, Eno & Gabriel in college. One standout tune is NYC, which is the same music as "...Had Enough of You" ( the Fripp/Peter Hammill song on Exposure that goes..."that is the way it is, because it is that way" etc) but with different lyrics. The song ends in a tape loop of frenzied Frippness, which on the vinyl goes all the way into the last groove, so that on a manual turntable it never ends! The same technique is used on White Shadow on Gabriel II. On my Sacred Songs, Exposure and other '79 - '80 Fripp albums there are messages scratched into the vinyl between the last groove and the label, but I can't recall them without doing research into my vinyl archive (the basement). Does anyone have a complete list? And yes, I know there is only one groove (per side) on an LP, but you know what I mean. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 10:03:51 -0800 From: delgadil at cisco dot com (Kevin Delgadillo) Subject: Re: More on Bruford... >Hello, > Firstly, I would like to thank everyone for their mails and posts >answering my question on Bruford's solo works. Yes, I also enjoyed those posts. Interesting to read different opinions of these performances. > Now for another: What is the status on the book mentioned in that >on-line chat _When In Doubt, Roll!_ ? Is this a, (auto)biography or a how >to play like me book ? Is it out of print ? Could anyone send me the >publisher and ISBN ? This book is published by Modern Drummer Publications and is a combination of drum transcriptions and Bill's personal commentary and insight on each piece, and his philosophy on musical performance/training. It's really meant for drummers since the bulk of the book consists of drum transcriptions for many of his better recorded efforts:(from memory) Heart of the Sunrise Fracture Beelzebub Fainting in Coils Flags Infradig The Drum Also Waltzes Hells Bells One of a Kind, Part II Impromptu, Too! Alaska In the Dead of Night Time to Kill Industry Frame by Frame Discipline Matte Kudasai The Sliding Floor I might have missed some... Anyway, the trancriptions are very accurate (I've found only two or three mistakes) and look pretty difficult only because every little Bruford nuance is notated (and he typically doesn't play the same measure exactly the same...) The "philosophy" sectiosn are very interesting and are worth the price of the book. There's some interesting history on the UK years as well as he describes its formation and breakup. Pretty interesting stuff. Also discusses his transition from Yes to KC. The drum transcriptions are really great for "getting into Bill's head" and really show his genius. He doesn't claim it be a "play like Bill Bruford" book; instead it's positioned more as a "this has how my playing has evolved" kind of book, and approaches it with a historical perspective. It also contains some suggested drumming exercises related to each song (most of which are extremely difficult, but great for independence). The transcriptions are fun to play along with, and are within the grasp of most intermediate drummers. Really interesting to follow the transcriptions while listening to the music. I don't have the ISBN # but it's available at most music stores in the drum section. It retails for $12.95 and is worth every penny. > Also, a few of you mentioned the Bruford/Moraz albums, are these still >around ? Out on CD ? The two recordings in question, _Music for Piano and Drums_ and _Flags_, are supposedly out of print. I got mine on CD several years ago as a special order and received them on the Caroline label, not EG. These are both good although not among my faves. I haven't seen these around recently and doubt they are still available. Kevin [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 10:29:02 -0700 From: JIMBINO/Apple at eworld dot com Subject: Re: "Go Between" I have this on casette: NEW PERCUSSION GROUP OF AMSTERDAM is the official artist of the work, with Keiko Abe and Bill Bruford as guests. Bill is on track one, foutreen minutes or so long, and he's playing acoustic traps. Unique and fun stuff, although I have no idea where to get it today. Perhaps one of the on-line music ordering houses...? BTW - regarding all the Bruford recommendations flying about recently, I HIGHLY suggest Stamping Ground-Live from BB's Earthworks band. Done live in the U.S. - it's a killer! - - JB [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 11:46:27 -0600 From: tedward at geographix dot com (geographix) Subject: KC/Bruford stuff Hey, I am not at home,and don't have all the info I need, but I will try to present my questions. On the Bruford album, "One of a kind" I think it is, there is a female singer with the oddest, off tone sort of voice on the second song. I love this, does anyone know if she (I don't know her name since, like I said, I don't have the album handy) sings anywhere else? Also, there have been a few postings about video's and When in doubt Roll (brufords book) I have When in doub Roll, it is very interesting, it is mostly sheet music for drummers, but with each song is a page or so of bruford's comments which are enlightening. I also have a bruford video, which is a drummers instructional video, but it also includes some footage from live performances by Yes, and Discipline by King Crimson, and I don't really remember what else. Someone also asked about Moraz/Bruford albums. They are (at least the one I have) published by, Surprise, e.g. The one I have, "music for piano and drums" is very intersting. Piano and drums only. Bruford says it is the closest he will probably ever come to playing jazz (I suppose he means in the classical sense). Ted Ward. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Smith, Thomas E." Subject: FW: first-run is important! Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 15:53:00 PDT Hello fellow crimsters, To the post in #208 regarding the musical value of first-run imprints, yes, there is a difference. An article I read by an engineer/producer, it might have been someone who worked with the Allman Bros., was discussing the mastering process. That's where they take the studio master and put it onto the CDs, cassettes, etc. The interviewee remarked how much control the master maker has over the material: EQ, mix, etc. and that the artist only really follows the "studio to CD" process the first time around. Then as the catalog is sold, borrowed, stolen, etc. and reprinted, the results can be vastly different. I remember!!!!!!! Interview with Don Was in Bass Player (forget the issue, will check, and it was the Stones he worked with most recently). His upshot was to buy the album as shortly after it was released as possible, to get what the artist intended. Note the pains that Fripp himself went through with EG to come out with the "Definitive Editions" of KC catalog. Or Jimmy Page, for that matter. Mastering is a tricky, important process, and what the artist wants is not always what the public gets. Valete, Thom [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:39:12 -0400 From: JMYandel at aol dot com Subject: Re: #4(4) Elephant-talk digest v95 #209 I just picked up Robert Fripp : 1999 and am highly impressed. I wasn't sure at first what to expect, but I listened to it with an open mind (the kind of mindset needed to truly experience KC) and it is now one of my favorite discs. I highly recommend it! Now, for my question, which is addressed to fellow musicians. Does anyone know the exact process that Fripp uses to create Soundscapes? I know this has been discussed recently, but I would like any detailed information that anyone would have. I assume that a large portion is attributed to MIDI, which is no problem for me, since I'm a keyboardist--but I've heard he also uses some kind of tape-looping procedure. Could anyone provide me with some information on how I could do this myself? Many thanks in advance! Here's hopin' that the Crimson King returns to Chicago in the fall! 8^) --jonathan "Music is the cup that holds the wine of silence. Sound is that cup, but empty. Noise is that cup, broken." --Robert Fripp [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 24 Jul 1995 16:44:45 -0600 From: "John Ott" Subject: Fripp and Daryl Hall (Sacred Songs?) >Hello all- >I read this list fairly regularly and subscribe to the Digest version. >Anyway, my query concerns a release in the early eighties of Daryl Hall. >(yes, he of Hall and Oates fame). Fripp played on it, and possibly >produced. Anyone else heard this? Forgive me if this has been discussed >recently- I have enough trouble keeping up with the Elvis C mailing list >and can't read every post on this one. If I remember correctly, this wasn't >a bad piece of work- done at around the same time that Fripp and Peter >Gabriel worked on PG's second one. There may have even been a Gabriel song >on it- I used to have the vinyl but it has been gone for years. > Regards- > Mike I still have my copy on vinyl. It was part of what Mr. Fripp had planned as a trilogy. (Peter Gabriel II, Daryl Hall's "Sacred Songs", and His "Exposure") On the liner notes of "Exposure" he explains why the plan did not execute. Mr. Fripp produced and provided guitar and frippertronics. Mr. Hall had done a lot of the singing on "Exposure" which was mostly replaced with P. Hamill (insisted upon by Mr. Hall's record company at the time). "Sacred Songs" is not at all like the Philly soul of Hall and Oates. My copy is not for sale as I am very fond of it. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 23:32:49 -0400 From: TSSand at aol dot com Subject: Searching for a King Crimson transcription You would be the people to know, I am in search of a transcription to 21st Century Schizoid Man but the harder part to find is the saxophone. Do you know where it is possible to find a transcription including the saxophone part? [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 01:19:56 EDT From: RLHM63A at prodigy dot com (MR BRIAN W SULLIVAN) Subject: Peter Hammill shows I would like to know if you or anybody know of any type of Peter Hammill happenings? I've been a long time fan of Hammill ever since my earliest King crimson albums. I consider Peter Hammill the same caliber as Gabriel and Fripp but he keeps an obvious low profile. If you have any info please reply. Thank you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 14:59:45 BST From: justin at VNET dot IBM dot COM Subject: Camilla's Little Secret Let me reply to Claas's review, 14-7-Elephant talk. Claas mentioned Tantalizing Eyes , which was indeed released as a single. I think it was only put out on vinyl and is definately a must for several different solos. It caught my eye (and ears) because it was plugged as "The record that can change every time you play it" and even though you are playing the same bit of the record you do not always hear the same solo. Something to do with the grooves. Including the versions on the CD (the Steps) I have counted six different ones. Has anybody else found any more? The vinyl is now really hard to get hold of, but if anyone's interested I got mine mail order from S & R Cressidia (the record label I presume) 865 Ringwood Rd, Bournemouth, Dorset, BH11 8LL, UK. Well worth a listen (IMO). Cheers Justin [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 09:35 CDT From: trex at skypoint dot com (Ryan Sutter) Subject: Best Fripp solo In ET #209 Albin Micheal Rose wrote: "...on the topic of great RF solos (or "the best RF solo IMHO,", etc), those of you who haven't already checked out his contribution to "Baby's On Fire" off of Eno's Here Come the Warm Jets should do so sometime in the future..." All I can say is, Go! Right now! Get it! It is one of those moments that always brings a smile to my face. I second the vote for best Fripp solo and highly recommend this album to any and all. You're missing out if you're missing this. Ryan Sutter trex at skypoint dot com Nuclear Gopher Cheese Factory - http://www.skypoint.com/members/trex/ng1.html " " - John Cage [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:20:30 GMT From: russell Subject: REVIEW: Thrak in "San Ramon Valley Times" Hi ETers, Although I normally live in Scotland, I'm currently living in San Ramon, California for a few months. (Incidentally, I wasn't able to get tickets to the San Francisco KC concerts, and I'm now insanely jealous of the reviewers posting here who seem to have attended more than one show. Not fair!) Anyway, I found the following review in the San Ramon Valley Times, Sunday July 16 1995. I'm reproducing it verbatim, including the hilarious errors of fact and spelling. ===================================================================== Guitar fans should bow before King Crimson "Thrak" King Crimson Virgin, rock ** out of **** Maybe there was a guitar geek in your neighborhood. The kid who spent hours in his room noodling around on his ax, mendering in and out of actual songs, occasionally crossing the line into ear-bloodying white noise. King Crimson is a band a guitar geek could love. On "Thrak," the band's fifth release and first since 1987, there are even a few accessible radio-ready songs for the non-guitar geeks among us. This lineup includes founder Robert Fripp and longtime members Adrian Belew, Tony Levin and drummer Bill Buford along with newcomers Trey Gunn and Pat Mastelotto. The band's sound revolves around the dueling, noodling guitars of two masters - Fripp and Belew - over Buford and Mastelotto's hyper-propulsive rhythms. Primus fans may find a spritual ancestor in King Crimson, if Primus were more guitar- and less bass-centered. Beware: This is not an album of top-40 singles. It's full of dozens of tiny audio soundscapes (Fripp is credited on the liner notes for "guitar, soundscapes and mellotron") that either meld or bump up against each other. The band is best when it is revving together on all four cylinders on instrumentals like "VROOOM." But given the lineup, there are a surprising number of accessible songs. "Dinosaur" and "People" are catchy, the former highlighting the playfulness of Belew's voice. On other tunes, he sounds like a dreamier, less ironic David Byrne. If Byrne were a guitar geek, of course. - Joe Garofoli, staff writer ===================================================================== P.S. Here's another "is it the same Ian MacDonald?" question. Not Foreigner this time, but is he also the author of "Revolution in the Head - The Beatles' Records and the Sixties"? The sleeve-notes describe Ian MacDonald as former deputy editor of New Musical Express, and "an accomplished musician and composer." I suspect it is not the same person, but can anyone confirm? Regards, Russell Whitworth [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 20:40:44 -0400 From: TRAPDOOR1 at aol dot com Subject: Soundscapes/CGT/LGA tour update Interstellar Discs 9034 Haaf Road Fogelsville, PA USA 18051-1717 Office: (610) 285-2843 Fax: (610) 821-3539 E-Mail: Trapdoor1 at aol dot com ROBERT FRIPP: SOLO SOUNDSCAPES w/ THE CALIFORNIA GUITAR TRIO & LOS GAUCHOS ALEMANES TOUR UPDATE: Sept. 1st & 2nd: Muhlenberg College, Allentown, PA USA -CONFIRMED Ticket info: Tickets go on sale August 1st. Available thru the Muhlenberg College Center for the Arts box office. Call (610) 821-3333. Box office hours are daily 10AM thru 6PM EDT Sept. 3rd: The California Guitar Trio (only) will be performing at an outdoor festival in Rockford, Illinois, approx. 9:45PM More details as they become available. Sept. 5th: Club Bene in Morgan, New Jersey. -CONFIRMED Ticket info & sale date pending. Sept. 6th: Gaston Hall at Georgetown University 37th & O Sts. NW Washington, DC -CONFIRMED Ticket info: Available thru Ticketmaster. Watch this board for sale date. Sept. 7th: In-store performance in Manhattan, possibly J&R Musicworld. This is unconfirmed but likely. Sept. 8th & 9th: Washington Square Church, NYC, NY USA -CONFIRMED. Ticket info: Tickets go on sale August 12, 1995 at: Downtown Music Gallery 211 E. 5th Street New York, NY (212)-473-0043 e-mail - dmg at panix dot com Downtown's hours are: m-th 12pm - 10pm. sat-sun 12pm-12am Tickets may NOT be ordered over the internet. At this time tickets are not available by phone. This may change. Tickets are $22.00 each and there is a 4 ticket limit per person. Terms of sale are CASH ONLY. No checks, No credit cards. Show times are 7:00 and 9:30 with doors opening 1/2 hour before. The University of Delaware in Newark DE is on tap for Sept. 4th. This is unconfirmed. This schedule will be updated in Elephant Talk weekly, or as confirmations come in. Best, -MT [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: E#KIRKD at ccmail dot ceco dot com Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 14:02:58 CST Subject: JSYK (just so you know) JSYK, While I was driving from Belmont station to Woodridge, south of 75th street on Monday evening July 24th 1995, just after 6pm Central Standard Time, in my 1988 Ford Escort EXP, it hit me as I passed the First Congregational Church at Maple Avenue heading south southeast, while dark storm clouds menaced overhead, that the double trio is simply the medium necessary for King Crimson to produce today's more complex music live on stage. One can only ask, "How could we not have known?" Peace, Daniel Kirkdorffer e#kirkd at ccmail dot ceco dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 17:55:10 +0200 From: lhs at cs dot man dot ac dot uk (Lhorens Marie) Subject: Re: Fripp and Daryl Hall (Sacred Songs?) Hello everyone, ============== >I read this list fairly regularly and subscribe to the Digest version. >Anyway, my query concerns a release in the early eighties of Daryl Hall >(yes, he of Hall and Oates fame). Fripp played on it, and possibly >produced. Anyone else heard this? ... =============== That's right Fripp played on it and produced it. The title is SACRED SONGS (ref : PL 13574 on RCA catalogue - 1977). But it was more than that, in his note on Exposure, Robert Fripp wrote : "This album [Exposure] was originally conceived as the third part of an MOR trilogy with Daryl Hall's solo album "Sacred Songs" and Peter gabriel II both of which I produced and to which I contributed. With the non-release of "Sacred Songs" and the delay by dinosaurs of this album it is impossible to convey the sense which I had intended..." A bientot. Lhs [lhs at tidc dot estec dot esa dot nl] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 27 Jul 1995 22:16:46 U From: "Scott Underwood" Subject: Sacred Chaos My first post here, in response to two items in #210 The first is Neal Bauer's response to a review of KC tracks (or thraks) that used words like "industrial" "chaos" "ultra-violent", and especially his line >The reviewer sure likes to throw out adjectives >that, to me at least, have little to do with the music. Well, I thought those were good words. Reading about chaos theory, one sees that there are hidden levels of order in what appear to be unrepeating jumbles. My wife (who is a pop music fan) attended the SF concert with me, and could not follow what to her were completely random sections of noise. When I showed her where the beat was, and pointed out that the musicians were looking at each other, and that they were absolutely in control of the sound and knew just where they were, she could appreciate it a little more, but it only mitigated the "noise" aspect a little bit. "Industrial" is a good word as well to describe those sections of disharmony and arrhythmia, like walking onto a factory floor with several non-coinciding lines of cutting, bending, smashing, wrapping machinery assaulting your ears all at once. And assault is "violent", you will agree. Yes, "violent industrial chaos" is as good a phrase as any I've heard to describe some sections of KC's music. If you can relax to "Requiem" you're a better man than I. That said, my wife loves the ballads. "Heartbeat" was played at our wedding, and "Walking on Air" is a current favorite of hers. I am currently making her a mix tape with some of the best of that side of KC, Fripp, et al., (North Star, Matte Kudasai, etc.) o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Second, a small word about Daryl Hall's Sacred Songs: I'd heard that Fripp (and Eno?) worked on this with Hall, and as part of the "experimental" aspect of Fripp's trilogy, all the songs on the album were first takes--that they wanted to capture his first raw approach to the song without the loss of energy that concurrent takes often bring. Anyone else heard this? -Scott [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 06:37:39 -0400 From: dnash at atlanta dot com (David Nash) Subject: Cat Food again and again Being a relatively new ET'er, I may be posting an old question that most of you guys have already discussed. If not, then I look forward to some help. Last week in Los Angeles I was listening to a college radio station and heard an electronic techno-tune that used several samples of _Cat Food_.It was very cool and I would love to buy it. Does anyone have an idea who this might have been? Thanks ever so much! "Do like the Hindu: The best you Cando!" mohandas_k_ghandi at afterlife dot com David E. Nash (The one from High Point, NC) dnash at atlanta dot com gnash42213 at aol dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 22:55:59 GMT From: Mike Dickson Subject: Thrak review??? In message Neal Bauer writes: > "Ultra-violent"? Guess the reviewer recently read Anthony Burgess. What > the hell is ultra-violent music and how in the world does it apply to some > of the most relaxing music created in the past three decades? (I find most > of KC quite peaceful and introspective.) I think I know what the writer is getting at. I agree that some of KC's material is restful stuff, but the really loud material (I am primarily thinking of LTiA Pt I) is quite thunderous, frightening stuff and is littered with musical 'screams' and the likes. Even 21CSM built on that foundation. I agree that the term isn't the most accurate way to describe the music, but it does describe it. > I find the music full of complex patterns built up as the music > progresses rather than anything destroyed. I don't know if I agree with this, though. A lot of the time they start with a fixed point (like 'Red') and seem to disassemble it as they proceed. -- Mike Dickson [Team OS/2], Black Cat Software Factory, Musselburgh, Scotland mike at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk - Fax 0131-653-6124 - Columnated Ruins Domino [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:30:30 +0000 From: br at inf dot rl dot ac dot uk Subject: B'BOOM live album - Q review Well, maybe I've been skimming Elephant Talk just a bit too thinly of late, but I'd no idea that there was a live album coming out. Not until I saw the following review in the latest edition of Q magazine (Sep. issue - they always release a month ahead, and as a subscriber I get it even earlier - the one with Morrissey on the cover)... ..and I'd just promised myself I wouldn't buy any more CDs for a while, after going mad in Boston (where The Great Deceiver was just one of 20-odd acquisitions), and moderately insane in Sheffield... Brian Taken from Q magazine, Sep. 1995 issue: KING CRIMSON B'BOOM DISCIPLINE (GM) DGM 9503 Described by Fripp as a "return to active service", this live double album captures Crimson's first public performance in over 10 years and features the so-called double trio line-up (basically two complete three-person bands on stage at once. Aaargh!) With so many musical craniums engaged - Fripp, Belew, Bruford, Levin, Gunn and Mastelloto - there's much satisfying tension, and the results flit between grandeur, parody and elevator music for the insane. Those who admired the '80s Crimson, but have fond memories for the '70s Fripp, Wetton and Bruford line-up will enjoy the athletic rhythm section here - though the technological wonders of the Stick can only approximate Wetton's original window-rattling bass lines. Many of the tracks (THRAK, Indisicipline, VROOM VROOM) are the work of a troubled, if cheerful, mind and with Belew allowing Fripp more freedom, Larks Tongues II and Red are splendid, Heartbeat is almost poppy and the word "compromise" still clearly struck from the Crimson dictionary. B'BOOM is a palpable hit. **** (4 out of a possible 5). Rob Beattie It's not one of their "feature" reviews, but there is a band photo. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Matt Walsh Subject: Re: Crimson covers exist??? Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 09:40:00 PDT Yes, Crimson covers DO exist. The only definite one I know of at the moment is rock/metal violinist (yes, a metal violinist) Mark Wood doing a cover of "Red" on his album "Against The Grain" on Shrapnel Records. It's a decent cover, but as expected, it's no King Crimson.... I know for a fact that the band Voivod was going to do a cover of "21st Centry Schozoid Man" on their most recent album "The Outer Limits", but they're record label, MCA, said that King Crimson was too "obscure" a band. Gotta hate the labels bullcrap. FYI, Voivod did an extremely impressive cover of Pink Floyd's "Astronomy Domine" about 6 years ago on their "Nothingface" album - really showed how far ahead of his time Syd Barrett really was. I'm sure most people that read this would not be interested in a band like Voivod, but to be honest, I think Voivod would do King Crimson much justice. Let's hope they go against their label and put that out (In retaliation, they were going to do a Van Der Graaf Generator cover, but you could imagine the label's response to that!). As far as the cover suggestions, I think John Zorn would be perfect for a KC cover, maybe "LTIA pt 1" or something... I happen to be a collector of cover songs, so if anyone knows of any King Crimson covers, PLEASE let me know... Matt Walsh mattw at smginc dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 18:57:42 +0200 (DFT) From: "C. Kazzer Anglistik" Subject: DISC: CAMILLA again Hi, everybody, First of all, thanks to Justin for supplying the info on CAMILLA'S LITTLE SECRET'S single TANTALIZING EYES. In ET 110 Justin gave an adress for S&R Cressidia, from whom he received the single. On the CD THE STEPS however, a different adress is stated. This is s&r cressidia, p.o. box 2077, poole, dorset, bh16 5yr, england So, apparently S&R CRESSIDIA have moved at some point, but from where to where is not clear. I wrote to the above adress but didn't get a reply yet. I'll let everybody know, if I do & what they say on the availability of the single. Cheers, Claas [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 10:50:18 PST From: "Allen Huotari" Subject: RED covered by Either/Orchestra a stunning 11 min 21 sec version of "Red" is available on the cd THE HALF LIFE OF DESIRE by Either/Orchestra. This was released in 1990 on Accurate Records cat. no. AC-3242 Either/Orchestra is a large ensemble consisting of two trumpets, two trombones, three saxophones, keyboards, guitar, bass, drums. The best known member of the group is keyboardist John Medeski who some of you jazz fans on the list may be acquainted with. This cd may be difficult to find although it was readily available as recently as a year ago. Those of you who are intrigued could attempt to write Accurate Records directly at PO Box 390115 Cambridge MA 02139. (and the usual disclaimer: yours truly is NOT associated with Either/Orchestra nor Accurate Records) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 11:30:46 PST From: "Allen Huotari" Subject: RF attempts to incite riot (Sacred Songs) during the q&a session following RF's performance at Tower Records (Hollywood) during the first Frippertronics tour, someone in attendance asked about the 'missing in action' Hall/Fripp album. This immediately drew a strong reaction from RF and he launched into the 'due to the delay by dinosaurs...this is the best record you'll never hear' spiel. When he concluded, he paused thoughtfully and said very calmly with but the slightest tremor of excitation in his voice (and this is a paraphrase): "You know what we should do right now? The lot of us should march down Sunset Blvd. to the (record company) headquarters, barge into their offices and demand that this album be released. Failing that, the master tapes should be surrendered immediately." Unfortunately no one took him up on the offer. But maybe this was a good thing after all. While RF genuinely seemed ready to follow through on his spontaneously conceived plan, and while the image of several dozen properly primed Crimheads marching down Sunset is hilarious, the carnage that could have been wrought is nearly unthinkable. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:26:03 -0400 From: LarksTngue at aol dot com Subject: Re: Backwards Frippertronics /Has anyone ever listened to Frippertronics played backwards? /It is easy to /rig a cassette tape to play backwards and some of the LET /THE POWER FALL /tracks have a wonderfully orchestral quality when played in /reverse Get Cable!!!! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:24:35 -0700 From: Ken Bibb Subject: Re: Peter Hammill shows > Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 01:19:56 EDT > From: RLHM63A at prodigy dot com (MR BRIAN W SULLIVAN) > Subject: Peter Hammill shows > I would like to know if you or anybody know of any type of Peter Hammill > happenings? There is a Peter Hammill/Van der Graaf Generator mailing list called "pH7" where you can get information on Hammill's current doings. To subscribe, send: subscribe ph7 Brian W Sullivan to ph7-request at arastar dot com with a subject of "asdf". You might also want to send: gimme to lomml at arastar dot com with a subject of "asdf" to get yourself the current copy of the List of Music Mailing Lists, the most complete listing of Internet music mailing lists. -- Ken Bibb "Through the fire backwards kbibb at qualcomm dot com Again and Again jester at crash dot cts dot com Return to base." Peter Hammill--"A Headlong Stretch" [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:59:31 -0400 From: Rjgluck at aol dot com Subject: Re: #2(3) Elephant-talk digest v95 #210 I was interested in the posting in #210 regarding David Torn, who was described (I thought quite insightfully) as a Jazz-world Fripp. Torn is a magnificent guitarist and creative musician. I first heard him in a terrific small town band (in Ithaca, NY) called The Zobo Funn Band. This was in the late 1970s. Subsequently, he went on the tour in Europe with a more jazz-related band, whose name I can't remember at the moment. He appears on several Jan Garbarek albums, as well. His mid-1980s through current releases are worth hearing. Of interest to some rock fans, he did an interesting cover of Voodoo Child not long ago. The parallels with Fripp have to do with the kind of sounds he generates on his guitar and his general aesthetics. Not to mention an extraordinary technique, such as we know from RF. I discovered Elephant Talk only a couple of weeks ago and enjoy it. I've been a KC fan since about 1969 and first saw them live in the form of the "Islands" band near London. My tastes generally are in the realm of what used to be referred toin the 60s and 70s as "avante-garde" and electronic, as well as jazz. I am a composer of electronic music. I t was KC (and Hendrix) that opened me up to rock music. I still consider RF to be in a very select group of creative musicians that make a tremendous difference in the musical life of this world (whether many people realize it or not). Bob Gluck Sheffield, Massachusetts, USA [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 13:15:10 PDT From: Duane dot Day at Ebay dot Sun dot COM (Duane Day) Subject: Dusty Roads Rob MacCoun writes: > A friend saw PG during the PGII tour, and said that the guitarist played > sitting down, shrouded in darkness, and was only introduced as "Mr. Dusty > Roads. Actually, that was the PG I tour. The only guitarist on the PG II tour was Sid McGinnis (sp?) who is now a member of the "CBS Orchestra" (formerly known as Paul Shaffer and the Most Dangerous Band in the World - in other words, the band for Late Night with David Letterman.) And Mr. "Roads" was shrouded in more than darkness - for the show I saw on that tour (Winterland, San Francisco) I believe he was seated behind one of the P.A. stacks, completely out of view to most of the audience. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 22:13:57 0400 From: Ed Rawady Organization: freelance writer Subject: Mastelotto I'm thrilled that there's a WWW site for my favorite band! I'm 46 and have been a fan of KC since their first album. What particularly amazes me is that you're able to crank out two newsletters a week! I've only recently purchased my first CD player and listening to KC *Definitive Editions*, feel as if I'm born-again. I only just discovered, through your FAQ, that Pat Mastelotto was the drummer of one of another band I've enjoyed -- Mister Mister. I especially liked the album, *Go On*, and although the fifth track -- "The Tube" -- wasn't my favorite Mister Mister song, it immediately reminded me of KC. I wondered at the time if the resemblance was coincidental, and now I think that perhaps more than one member of Mister Mister was also a fan of KC. Anyone had a similar sonic revalation? >>>>>>>Ed [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 12:39:59 +0200 (DFT) From: Kazzer Claas Subject: REVIEWS: NEW DGM RELEASES Reviews new DGM releases B'BOOM INTERGALACTIC B.E. A BLESSING OF TEARS First of all many thanks to the people at DGM who really do a great job. In spite of the fact that they must have loads of orders & stuff coming in I received my copy within 5 days after ordering. Really amazing. Anil (I think) asked where the reviews of the new releases where. I think one reason of no reviews having been posted yet, may be that its really hard to do these new CDs justice. I have attempted sth. in the vein of a review. Sorry if this gets a little long. So here we go. All those who cannot order these releases yet, sorry if this makes the wait harder to bear. ********************************************************* B'BOOM This is a double CD with the following tracks: Disc 1 1. VROOOM 2. Frame By Frame 3. Sex, Sleep, Eat, Drink, Dream 4. Red 5. One Time 6. B'Boom 7. THRAK 8. Improv-Two Sticks 9. Elephant Talk 10. Indiscipline Disc 2 1. VROOOM VROOOM 2. Matte Kudasai 3. The Talking Drum 4. Lark's Tongues in Aspic Part II 5. Heartbeat 6. Sleepless 7. People 8. B'Boom (reprise) 9. THRAK The pieces were mostly recorded during the first performances in Argentina. The sound quality of the whole thing is very good but - alkmost a standard with bootlegs - you also get some nice involuntary distortion sounds, guitar panning, etc., which were left in the mix, and all of which make this recording very 'true' sounding. I enjoy B'BOOM immensely & the more I listen to it the more I like it (no pun intended). There is so much on these two disks that I think it will still take quite some time until the whole thing kind of settles - very much like the impression I got from the concert. The overall performance has a very good pace, the singingm is brilliant, the guitars, basses, etc., drums are all very impressively played & fresh- sounding. There is a load of really loveable little bits & bobs all over the place, but its impossible to talk about them all. Other reviewers maybe? . But here are a few things that got stuck with me after the first few listenings: Drums: the drum- & percussive work of B'BOOM is as overwhelming as it was at the concerts. Things that listening to THRAK & VROOOM I only discovered after close listenings, are here very nicely detectable. All the fills etc, are very clearly audible and the who-plays-what questions should finally get solved. All in all the percussive work on these to disks gives me a big smile. The VROOOMs, B'BOOM, Talking Drums & Larks' II come to mind instantly, but its hard to pick favourites here as the drumming is truly intense & brilliant throughout. VOX: also very good throughout - Belew at his vocalist best. BASSES, et al: for all those who enjoyed the 2 sticks improv - here it is again & it's truly beautiful. Also, Trey Gunn is audible here & often his contributions are easily distinguishable. As one highlight I would probably pick Sleepless, but ... GUITARS: the where-is-Fripp questions also should get solved by listening to this. At the concert I often found it hard to distinguish Mr Fripp in the overall wall of sound, but here he is again. I especially enjoyed the Soundscapes in between the pieces (note that these are not indicated separately on the CDs, but they're there) & what they add to the overall impression. Adrian Belew also plays very enjoyably with a load of the funny tricks & things mentioned in the various concert reviews. The only piece that didn't really convince me up to now is People but this may be due to the fact that I was prejudiced by the really good version they delivered at the concert I saw. Enough of this as I suppose I'm not really 'saying' very much. PS. I have to check on this, but I had the impression that the Cloudscape-ET sequence from the Dinosaur single was different from what is on B'BOOM., but I'm not sure. ************************************************ ROBERT FRIPP & THE LEAGUE OF CRAFTY GUITARISTS INTERGALACTIC BOOGIE EXPRESS Tracks: 1. A Connecticut Yankee in the Court of King Arthur 2. Rhythm of the Universes 3. Larks' Thrak 4. Circulation I 5. Intergalactic Boogie Express 6. G Force 7. Eye of the Needle 8. Corrente 9. Driving Force 10. Groove Penetration 11. Flying Home 12. Circulation II 13. Fireplace 14. Fragments of Skylab 15. Asturias 16. Prelude Circulation 17. Cheeseballs 18. Prelude in C minor 19. Wabash Cannonball & an 'invisible' track 20 (forgot which it was) I honestly enjoy this disc more than SHOW OF HANDS. The performance is lively & strikes as true (although they left out Patricia Leavitt's contributions which I rather liked). Again this will take a few more listens to kind of settle but I'd strongly recommend it, esp. to those who liked LIVE II. There's the whole range of moods on this disc from Asturias & the Bach pieces to A Conneticut Yankee - its very well balanced & very powerful & to my impression just right in between the RFSQ & the California Guitar Trio. BTW reading the track list most of you might already have guesed what Larks' Thrak is ... ************************************************ ROBERT FRIPP - A BLESSING OF TEARS - 1995 Soundscapes - Volume Two - Live in California Right after putting this on I felt compelled to mail to ET straight away & thank Mr Fripp for having let this happen or whatever one might call it: So thank you Mr Fripp - I lack the words for this, which maybe is what truly great music does to you - it renders you speechless or makes language seem utterly inadequate. This one especially seems to have this magic grip one ones unconscious that often goes with the impression of facing something otherworldly. This music is capable of bringing something in that I felt was very often missing, I couldn't say what it was though. Maybe it confronts us with ourselves in a way. BLESSING is in a kind of a modern requiem that ranges (IMO) right there with the works of the great classic masters. Esp. Faure's requiem comes to mind saying this - BUT the impression I got from this Fripp is that it does not drag you down, rather it lifts you up, very much in the same way the Eulogy (posted to some ET a while ago) does, which is also part of the liner notes of this CD. BLESSING comes with a cover which appears to be an excerpt form an impressionist painting of a lonely figure on a beach (I think the 1999 cover was funny but pretty ugly (flames here please)). It perfectly fits the overall mood of BLESSING. The Soundscapes are rather short (the longest is some 8 odd minutes) but extremely moving - rather in the mood of SUESS WIE EINE NUSS, the last piece on the FFWD CD, than in that of 1999. All in all I still lack the words for this, but to make at least some kind of statement: I was moved to tears & I definitely would have wept had I been in a slightly different frame of mind (this truly is not an overstatement as two friends of mine whom I played this to had a very similar experience). BLESSING seems to be able to conjure up sad memories, painful ones, ... but as I have already mentioned it also kind of lifts you out of them again (esp. RETURNING I & II). Again, enough of 'not-being-able-to-say-much', but get it as soon as it comes out. Truly a Blessing. Tracks: 1. The Cathedral of Tears 2. First Light 3. Midnight Blue 4. Reflection 1 5. Second Light 6. A Blessing of Tears 7. Returning 1 8. Returning 2 If anybody has any further questions private mail is welcome. Claas Kazzer [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 29 Jul 95 09:56:41 EDT From: Suntower Systems <70242 dot 1520 at compuserve dot com> Subject: Islands I finally got around to buying Islands after all these years. And as much as I have enjoyed every other King Crimson album to one degree or another, this one is a REAL dog. It almost sounds like another band aping the most tedious parts of Lizard. Despite a few clever bits of lyric writing (Ladies of the Road) the overall quality is one of outtakes that weren't strong enough to go on other Crimson albums. If these are supposed to be examples of free improv or dadaist stuff well you can have it. And this is coming from a die-hard fan of almost all the rest of their stuff from ITCOTCK til today. Perhaps Fripp changed direction after this because he realized the concept had run out of gas. Flame away, those of you who drool at any and everything the band does, but hey it's my opinion and the ecstatic gushing on this thing has been so extreme since they've been on tour I thought a little 'loyal opposition' would be a healthy thing. If you don't have Islands, don't lose any sleep over it. Peace, jc [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 29 Jul 95 11:23:25 EDT From: jh at metheny dot brainiac dot com (Joe Hartley) Subject: Another Crimso cover The Either/Orchestra (I love that name!) has a GREAT jazz orchestra arrangement of Red on their album "The Calculus of Pleasure". It's a wonderful album, and a great interpretation of one of my favorite Crimson tunes. ========================================================================== Joe Hartley - jh at brainiac dot com - brainiac services Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - Frank Zappa Loostner's Castor Oil Flakes - The All-weather Breakfast! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 19:31:13 +0400 From: reiwampa at ccs dot internet dot ve (Julio d'Escrivan) Subject: Soundscapes and Frippertronics/JamMan vs. TC2290? Here's some of the blurb contained in the "Robert Fripp 1999" album of live soundscapes in Argentina: "Soundscapes are a continuation and development of frippertronics, the music of my solo guitar work based on delay,repetition and hazard. This approach was first introduced to me by Brian Eno, directly and without explanation in september 1972. It subsequently became a vehicle for many solo performances in a variety of spaces throughout Europe and North America,beginning at The Kitchen in New York in February 1978 an ending at easter 1983 in Toronto. So these soundscape perfromances in Argentina are my first solo concerts for over eleven years... Soundscapes provide A vehicle for my most immediate and personal music work, which is varied both in performance and recording whether as collaborator, contributor or producer. Soundscapes are improvised and largely governed by the time, place, audience and the performer's response to them... And this remains the best way I know of making a lot of noise with one guitar. Equipment: The original technology for this approach to making music incorporated two revox A77s in a system of analogue delay and playback...A diagram of its operation may be found on the cover of Brian Eno's discreet music. My own application of this system was called "frippertronics" Today two TC2290s have replaced the revoxes. The profusion and development of effects units, and the advent of MIDI control, during the past decade have made possible a proliferation of choice and opportunities in the moment for shaping sound. On this tour I used: Tokai Les Paul Guitar Roland GR3000 guitar synthesizer Eventide 3000SE Korg A2 TC2290 x 2 Digitech Whammy Pedal." ...END OF QUOTE. I assure you , Your Honor, this material was only reproduced without permission for purely educational purposes ! BTW I use a lexicon JamMan to create soundscape like material, it has the power to create various loops ( up to 8), which you can then step through in order to change your looping background material. Each loop can have a seemingly endless amount of overlaying. I presume the TC2290s mentioned by RF are of a higher sonic quality than my humble JamMan, but can it do this sort of thing ? Is anyone out there using TC2290s that can shed some light on its capabilities and so on ? Please contact me if so ! Julio [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 09:27:23 GMT From: mpeters at ibm dot net (Michael Peters) Subject: KC/Bruford stuff (ET210) tedward at geographix dot com (geographix) wrote: >On the Bruford album, "One of a kind" I think it is, there is a female >singer with the oddest, off tone sort of voice on the second song. I love >this, does anyone know if she sings anywhere else? LP is "Feels good to me" (1977, with Dave Stewart, Holdsworth, Jeff Berlin, and Kenny Wheeler), track is "Back to the Beginning again", the singer is Annette Peacock. Yes this song is really incredible, I remember when I got this LP it ran shivers up and down my spine everytime, thanks to her voice. (She's also featured on two other tracks on the LP.) And, one other small detail: I seem to remember that it was the first LP I ever heard with a polyphonic synth on it, this one a Polymoog played by Dave Stewart of course ("Dave Stewart - keyboards + reasonably advanced harmonic advice"). BTW, if you're a fan of Dave Stewart, do check out his home page (http://www.demon.co.uk/creative/davebarb/) and leave a message in his guest book. Here's what the LP says about Annette: "Annette Peacock is an American composer, pianist, synthesiser-player, and singer who wrote many memorable pieces for the great pianist Paul Bley in the '60s, and later revealed her own voice and songs in a stunning album called "I'm the one". Her voice is unsettling: it whispers, croons, cajoles, an threatens ..." Thanks for making me listen to this again ! -M - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | Michael Peters CIS 100041,247 | | Postfach 600645, 50686 Koeln, Germany mpeters at ibm dot net | | "Do nothing for as long as possible" (Brian Eno) | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 14:14:49 -0700 From: David A. Craig Subject: first day lyrics Have the lyrics to the songs from "the first day" and related releases been electronically transcribed? Thanks for any and all assistance! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 17:24:30 -0400 From: DATman2000 at aol dot com Subject: RE: Perfect Pair video A question for the informed: I've had a copy of the Crimson video Three Of A Perfect Pair, Live In Tokyo show since it was released 10 years ago. It's about 60 minutes, and I thought to be the entire program. However, I just got a beautiful laser disc verson that's about 90 minutes. Has the reissue been expanded? [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 19:07:32 -0400 From: Lembond at aol dot com Subject: U.K. Reunion? Forgive me if this info is available elsewhere, but I have not learned to successfully read the indexes. I believe I read on a previous post that there is forthcoming a reunion of sorts including: BB, John Wetton, Eddie Jobson, & Alan Holdsworth. Can anyone confirm this? Thanks, ML " Lembond at aol dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 19:07:34 -0400 From: Lembond at aol dot com Subject: KC Covers Terry Kroetsch wrote: >Another thread to follow - ,I am making the ultimate KC cover tape. Can >anyone help? I have the obvious ones...I would be willing to copy this for >interested parties if I can get a full tape. Here's on for the collection: RED Either/Orchestra The Half Life of Desire [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 19:07:32 -0400 From: Lembond at aol dot com Subject: Fripp/David Torn Similarities In a message dated 95-07-27 06:42:07 EDT, you write: >rune dot johnsrud at infolink dot no Has anyone here heard the resemblance in the audio-soundscaping- guitarplaying realm, between our beloved guitar-God R. Fripp, and the humble (but oh-so God-like) guitar player David Torn. I might like to steer you in the direction of David Torn's album: Cloud About Mercury. Perhaps the similarities in part are due to the fact that bopth Tony Levin & Bill Bruford back him up on this record (along with Mark Isham). Rgds Lembond [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 16:28:24 +0200 (DFT) From: "C. Kazzer Anglistik" Subject: REVIEW LCG INTERGALACTIC update Hi all, this is a bit of a tiny update on the review of RF & THE LCG's INTERGALACTIC BOOGIE EXPRESS. The "invisible" track twenty is Askesis while track 19 contains in itself 2 pieces and the Fripp-announcement: WABASH CANNONBALL, FRIPP ANNOUNCEMENT of NON-PERFORMANCE, NON-PERFORMANCE. I also forgot to mention the booklet of this on. Here, once again, Mr Fripp tells the lenghty but interesting of the background of the LCG tour, i.e. his relationship with EG, etc. Although I had read most of his recent publications on this I wasn't bored in the least as the booklet abounds with new details & annecdotes. Very readable. Enjoy the day. Claas [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 10:48:40 -0400 From: jdmassey at mindspring dot com (Jack Massey) Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #210 r.derousse wrote: >First of all, which April Wine recording has 21rst Century Schizoid Man on it? I believe the album was entitled "Harder....Faster". Also, this is my first posting; but, maybe some interesting news for you: I met Adrian Belew a few weeks ago at the NAMM show in Nashville, TN and asked if KC would be playing the southern portion of the U.S. To my delight, he said, "Yes, after our tour of Japan"! Can I wait that long to see KC in Atlanta.....? I enjoy the digest. Keep up the grand work Toby! Jack jdmassey at mindspring dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:24:19 -0400 (EDT) From: JPRICE at TrentU dot ca Subject: Plant a tree for KC! Hello all ecologically-minded Crimheads; A friend taking a horticulture course and working as a landscaper told me this the other day. The maple trees with the -very- dark leaves that look almost purple are the variety of maple called... Yes, "Crimson King". So, plant a maple for our planet and our favorite band. I'll be putting one in the front yard. Just thought you would all enjoy this, especially fellow Canadians, eh? J. P. Hovercraft aka jprice at trentu dot ca "Also THRACK Zarathustra" [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 31 Jul 1995 16:13:29 U From: "Angi Carhart" Subject: Chicago/Exposure I hope this is going to the right place... Does anyone know who did the vocals for the song "Chicago" off of Fripp's Exposure? For years I've tried to figure it out (since I bought the album as a teenager), and have had no luck. It doesn't sound like anyone listed in the credits. I apologize if this is an old question, but I've always been curious. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Michael L. Smith" Subject: more covers Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 00:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Greetings hippies, This has been mentioned before, but perhaps it bears repeating as no one mentioned it among (the few) Crimson covers in the last digest. I am speaking of the absolutely MONSTER version of "Red" by Either/Orchestra on their first disc, _The Half-Life of Desire_. This was released in 1990 by Accurate Records. I don't know about the availability of this disc, but i believe the group is still together and have a couple other releases. They're a jazz group (at least they are on the rest of _Half-Life_, including a cover of Miles Davis and Duke Ellington). "Red" clocks in at 11:21 and is described in the liner notes by band member Russ Gershon as: "Red is John Dirac's concerto for electric guitar and Either/Orchestra. He illuminates Robert Fripp's original, a King Crimson power-trio tune, by expanding the 24-bar interlude into a pocket epic. Opening with a delicate horn passage, the interlude developes Fripp's motif in new harmonic directions; adds rhythm section; introduces a new harmonic sequence and a most psychedlic guitar solo (which found the arranger himself covering the windows of his isolation booth with a thick impasto of steam); intensifies as the trumpets mimic the sound of an echo device; explodes into a free-blowing frenzy; careens through a 4:3 rhythmic lock and finally returns to the top, which by now has taken on the character of a long-lost friend. John toted around an increasingly dog-eared sheaf of green score paper for several months while arranging "Red," but his arrangement proves those ears were no dogs." This is a must-have for any Crimson fan, if you can find it. The address for Accurate Records printed in the notes is: P.O. Box 390115, Cambridge, MA 02139 As for as some other covers.... I see John Wetton has a new live release that i believe has a couple Crimson tunes. Perhaps the Swedish band Anekdoten might one day release the live version of "Starless" (with a *real* mellotron) they did as an encore on several US and Canada dates last fall (i saw them at ProgScape in Towson, MD). They also did a version of "The Devil's Triangle" and Holst's "Mars." A friend of mine recently sent me something she saw posted on AOL that i won't believe until i hear it: that Tori Amos recently covered "Starless" at a live show (i'm guessing it's just the beginning vocal part). I didn't know Tori was touring again. Anybody know anything about this, or is this a load of trollop? I also read somewhere the next Discipline releases won't be out until the fall in North America. :( Regards, Mike "Keep the faith mls at access dot digex dot net Don't lose your head" arlington, va --Marillion [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 01:49:16 -0400 From: TRAPDOOR1 at aol dot com Subject: Soundscape /CGT Tour ticket info Interstellar Discs 9034 Haaf Road Fogelsville, PA USA 18051-1717 Office: (610) 285-2843 Fax: (610) 821-3539 E-Mail: Trapdoor1 at aol dot com ROBERT FRIPP: SOLO SOUNDSCAPES w/ THE CALIFORNIA GUITAR TRIO & LOS GAUCHOS ALEMANES TOUR UPDATE: Sept. 1st & 2nd: Muhlenberg College, Allentown, PA USA -CONFIRMED Ticket info: Tickets go on sale at Noon on August 1st. Call (610) 821-3239. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:58:45 +0100 From: "Leif V. Myhrer (93355)" Subject: 1000 years and Sylvian 1000 years and Sylvian A great CD by Trey Gunn, go and get it. I think Trey has proved over the last years his not only a good bass player, but a habil song writer as well. Especially the first part of the CD remains me a little of Japan and David Sylvian. By the way I do recommend the following David Sylvian releases if you enjoy Damage and the First Day. Brilliant trees, Gone to earth (with Robert Fripp) and Secrets of the beehive. And of course the Japan and Rain Tree Crow releases. The Bruford Tapes I have the original LP and the sound quality is rather "bad". Is it better on the CD or is there any bonus tracks, extra liner notes etc. make it worth buying? Frame by Frame Somebody mailed that a complete discography list was available with this box. Is that a fact? I haven't received one unless it's hidden in the textbook somewhere. I must admit I haven't had the time reading it all yet. CD 4 is a very good collection of live material, even though the quality of the first two tracks are terrible, it bring an atmosphere to the collection. The live version of Talking drum is my favorite song all categories for the time beeing. Have you noticed the misprinting of the length of the song, about 20 minutes lost. The young persons' guide to King crimson On my LP there is correct text on the cover: Larks' I Coda by Cross Fripp Wetton Bruford Muir and misprint on the LP label: Larks' II Coda by Fripp. The composers are correct in both cases, just the music is Coda I not II. Are there covers out there with misprint as well? The Great Deceiver I have been one of those who thought this box maybe wasn't worth the money, but I couldn't be more wrong. It's a very good collection of live material and every version of the songs brings something new to it. Somebody did mention a misspelling or something on one of the CD's a while back. What's that? I can't find anything on my CD's, but of course it might be on a limited numbers of CD's. Sleepless Is there any new versions of songs or any special sleeve notes etc. that make this collection worth buying? Red live Is there any live recordings available after the Red LP was released. It should be nice to hear the "old" group play Red, One more Red nightmare etc. live, but it seems like the live stuff from that periode are from before the Red release, since only Starless versions and the full length version of Providence are available on the Great Deceiver box. Hope I'm wrong, because I loved to hear a Red live version with Wetton. B'Boom First time I listen to it I was a little disappointed, maybe because my impressions from the Royal Albert Hall concert was so great, or maybe my expectations was too high, I really don t know. The disappointment was in the sound quality, and I said was, because I find it growing for every listening. It s a LOT of things happening, but the sound is not as good as Sylvian/Fripp Damage, which is quite outstanding. I would however hope for an even more official live collection, maybe a summary after this autumns concerts. And guys, if you read this, please add Scandinavia to the list of places you really should come and play live and please give us a 4 CD box live from the 80's as well. Dinosour Is the live tracks on the Dinosour CD single the same versions as B'Boom? Is there any live tracks on the CD single not present on B'Boom. An early recension of the CD wrote about a soundscape intro to Elephant Talk, but on B'Boom it's the two sticks improve leading directly to Elephant Talk. Can anyone having both give a recension about the differences, both in quality and improves. Does anyone know how to get a copy of the CD single? I haven't seen it anywhere and I don t have a TELNET connection, so I can t order it there. Anyone know an E-Mail address, it s not at DGMs order list! If someone out there would assist me buying one I would be very grateful, please contact me at LEMY at SEBANK dot SE. Intergalactic boogie express The music is great, as always, and the cover include more information about the EG losses. The album also includes "Larks' Thrak" composed by Fripp, as information for those who have already pointed out the simularity between Thrak and Larks' tongues in aspic. That song is however the CD's highlight, next to the "invisible" track 20, which is the first track on the Get Crafty I cassette I bought after the first of two League of Crafty Guitarists shows at the Bottom Line in New York December 3rd & 4th '90. The songs is however Askesis, also called Guitar Craft Theme VI, composed by Anthony Geballe and also present on Show of Hands. Fripp and Hall. Somebody wrote about the Fripp/Hall connection and for those interrested Fripp produced Daryl Halls solo album Sacred Songs about the same periode as he produced Peter Gabriels II album. I haven't heard the Hall solo because I'm sorry to say I hate most of the stuff I have heard on the radio by Hall and Oates, both solo and as a duo. Some of the songs are available on Fripps Exposure from the same periode if you want a sneaky preview, but I would expect the songs to be in a different version just like Gabriels songs are. >From what I have heard on Exposure I think it might be worth checking out... The Lady or the Tiger? I have a second hand copy of this Toyah and Fripp LP, but I have no cover. Could any kind person out there make a copy of the cover and mail me? I would be very grateful and cover all the expences of course! Please e-mail me at LEMY at SEBANK dot SE if you can help me! For those who don't know, it includes some music with the League of crafty guitarists as well. Sartori in Tangier. There have been some discussion about the Sartori spelling. Just found out it's a company in Germany called Sartori & Berger which business amongst others are Warehousing, Shipbrokers and Lloyd agency. Any connections you think? Where might Tangier be? Anyone noticed Tangier is spelled Tangiers on the Frame by Frame box? World Diary Just got a friend of mine in NYC to buy this CD for me, and boy what a great product. I say product, because not only the music is great, the design of the cover including hotel notes are great as well. But Tony, if you read this, what about a CD with more wild improves, such as your solo with Bruford at the Andersson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe concerts etc. And please make it easier for us in Europe buying your stuff, it's too great to be without. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:54:03 +0100 From: Rimantas dot Plaipa at GF dot VU dot lt Subject: counterfeits and pirates Recently question about USA on CD appeared in ET once again. According to the terminology accepted in the discography of RF, USA and Earthbound on CD should not be called bootlegs, they are rather counterfeits or pirates: Bootleg: Unauthorized release of previously unreleased material, consisting of concert recordings, studio outtakes, and radio or television broadcasts. Pirate: Unauthorized release of previously released material without attempting to make the album look like an original. Counterfeit: Unauthorized copy of an officially released album. The current discography of RF includes two pirates and two counterfeits, but actually there are much more of them. I suppose such things are uncommon in West Europe and USA, (because of inherently worse quality and the legal issues) but in East Europe (at least here in Lithuania) they are going to supplant legal records totally. Quite recently CDs for US$4 (and even for US$2) have flooded the local records' market. Local collectors here call them "Chinese" or "Bulgarian" (for USA residents: Bulgaria - the state in south-east Europe). The origin of "Chinese" CDs is obvious, but that of so called "Bulgarian" ones is quite unclear. Most probably they are manufactured in various East European countries (between them in Bulgaria too) and in Russia. "Bulgarian" counterfeit CDs (I emphasise once again that this is a locally accepted nickname, possibly they have nothing to do with Bulgaria) are of slightly better quality, and produce less tracking errors. They are real counterfeits (the only difference from the originals is the quality of artwork and sometimes the simplistic picture on the reverse side of CD) or pirate compilations. KC till date succeeded only in two releases - "Vrooom" and ....... .. "THE GREATEST HITS" !!!!!!. Counterfeit Vrooom has the 2-page-only insert, non-transparent disc holder and the simpler picture on CD, but nothing especially ugly, which would allow to recognise it a-priori as an counterfeit without having seen the original release before. "the GREATEST HITS" consists of the most "soft" KC songs (in spirit of the Young Person Guide) and ends with "Sleepless". I saw this CD only instantly, it was sold out very quickly. It occurred to me later, that I should submit exact information about this CD to ET to have it included in the RF discography, but I couldn't found it no more anywhere (the evidence of the high rating of KC here). When I had seen these CDs for the first time, I was quite surprised - I had been of the quite bad opinion about the pirates' musical tastes. But when I had seen some obviously non-populist stuff on the counterfeit CDs (for example early Pink Floyd), I've realised, that soon all catalogue of KC may appear on CDs for US$4 each (but please don't think that I'm glad at such a perspective). Some precedents already have taken place. After 1990 the illegal LPs of classic rock were produced on the massive scale in Russia, between them two of KC - ITCOCK and ITWOP. They hardly may be called counterfeits in the literal sense because of horrible covers (but with the original pictures) and Russian inscriptions. I can't give any more details about these releases, since nobody I'm acquainted with bought this stuff. I haven't seen more KC albums in this "series". It seems that its production has been discontinued because of the collapse of vinyl at all. The most disgusting thing I ever have seen was LTIA CD with the Sun/Moon in wrong colours, displaced upwards and with the album's and group's names in black letters below the picture. I haven't seen the back side of the box and can't supply any details about the manufacturers. A couple of years ago in Poland the all studio catalogue of KC and TGD were released in pirate cassettes (lo-fi) for US$1.25. Also there was two bootlegs (rather the pirate editions of the bootlegs - isn't funny ?). I've bought them. One is called "the return of The Crimson King" (Plumpton Festival), another - "Cat Food" (the same tracks as in the bootleg CD "Cat Food" '91, but in the different order). As for "USA" on CD, I've heard about it only once a year ago from one guy in the local collectors' Sunday venue. He was about to sold used USA LP in the very ugly envelope (he explained that his son had it washed in the bath) for US$12.5. I had some chat with him about KC and "USA", and he told me that he had seen USA CD made in the United Arab Emirates (!?, or maybe he had seen it in the Emirates - I can't recall now). It's not impossible at all, one counterfeit in the Discography is described as produced in Saudi Arabia, but also it must be said here, that the United Arab Emirates are the biggest gateway to East Europe for the goods produced in Asia (and elsewhere). I've already said, that KC is the highly rated group here (I think in other East European countries also), but in my opinion, its popularity is quite snobbish and superficial. Therefore such a great demand for "the GREATEST HITS". But after all, in every country beside crim-heads such as me and most of the ETers (I believe so), there are much more "mild" lovers of KC. Fripp obviously is aware of them, and one may say he is favouring them at the crim-heads cost (remember FBF). I've reflected a bit on this subject and have arrived to quite unpleasant conclusion. Actually I'm a cheat, not he. The amount of money an artist receives from every CD sold doesn't depend on the time which the CD is being listened. I have paid the same amount of money for CDs which I listen every day and for CDs which I listen very rarely (and for CDs I don't listen and I can't find anybody for whom to sold or to trade the damn thing). In the age of vinyl there was some dependence of the listening pleasure received and the cost of listening because vinyl wears and have to be replaced from time to time. The artists which creates "eternal" music had to become unhappy when "eternal" recording media was invented. Nothing else remains for them to restore the justice but to periodically improve and reedit the old editions. Such a trick is impossible with the short-lived fashionable junk, but only with really valuable stuff. Fripp have said enough clearly that the Definitive Edition is not last. But I hope the next edition will not come but after 5 years to fulfil the Scripture: "Nothing he's got he really needs" It may be also expected in the next century yet another coming of Beelzebub (or using the euphemistic expression by Fripp, "incarnation of KC"), which will play jingles for the advertisement of canned larks' tongues in aspic, figurines of the Virgin Mary, and one-day tourist trips from NYC to Hell by an underground train. Fripp will hide on stage in a Box or play camouflaged as a "Robert Synthesiser". (Well, some sign here is required according to Nettiquette, but I can't find any description of these signs. Can anybody email me the RFC or FYI number on this subject ? Before Email era people didn't use such signs in written texts, so I suppose these signs were invented by people believing in the soon coming of Multi-Media and Email readers for illiterates (in the literal sense). So they must be described rigorously and formally somewhere. (For anyone who managed to read this post until this place: thank you very much and forgive me for my bad English). Anyway the set of these signs should be supplemented by signs for the faces from both sides of the ITCOC cover for the usage in ET. So enough of bad news from East Europe. Good news - in the next century. Rimantas Rimantas Plaipa Dept. of Biochem. and Biophys., Vilnius University, Vilnius, Lithuania Rimantas dot Plaipa at GF dot VU dot LT [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:18:05 -0400 From: Sean Boerke (Sean Boerke) Subject: Re: Fred Lewis Orchestra (Levin) I recently came across an album by the Fred Lewis Orchestra entitled "FLO". One of the featured members of the orchestra is Tony Levin. I haven't yet listened to it (my best friend's turn table is temporarily down). I was wondering if anyone knows the story behind this group. The album came out in '79. (I wonder if the FLO T-shirt offer advertised on the sleeve is still valid :-> ) One other quick note: I also have found a first vinyl pressing of ToaPP. I had heard talk of the remixing for Definitive Editions but never imagined it was so blatant. I'm intrigued to get other pre-D.E. albums (I do have a pre-D.E. "Discipline" CD as well). ET is the best newsletter out there. Thanks Toby!!! Walk in peace. Sage [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: listman at arastar dot com (Anthor List Manager) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 06:23:28 -0700 Subject: Re: Chicago/Exposure On Jul 31, 4:13pm, "Angi Carhart" wrote: > Does anyone know who did the vocals for the song "Chicago" off of Fripp's > Exposure? For years I've tried to figure it out (since I bought the album as > a teenager), and have had no luck. It doesn't sound like anyone listed in the > credits. I apologize if this is an old question, but I've always been > curious. The vocals on Chicago are done by Peter Hammill (who was the vocalist of Van der Graaf Generator, who also did backing vocals for some Peter Gabriel songs (including Shock the Monkey)). -- The Mailing List Managers of Arastar Consulting listman at arastar dot com postmaster at arastar dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 1 Aug 95 11:58:47 -0400 From: "John Quinn" Subject: Fripp/KC & Roches ETers: I've been reading ET since #188 (and enjoying KC 100 times longer; yes, I'm a dinosaur), and still felt I'd missed most of the conversation until I had a chance to peruse Daniel Kirkdorffer's index. Thank you, Mr. K, for providing such a handy reference; and deepest thanks to Toby for this most excellent listserv. Both are true labors of love and much appreciated. Having surfed Dan's index, and finding no mention, I commend ETers' attention to the Roches, three sisters whose harmonic and lyrical skills have never been showcased better than on their first and third albums, _The Roches_ ('79) and _Keep On Doing_ ('82), both produced by Mr. Robert Fripp. Mining the KC vein further, the Roches were backed by RF (electric guitar and Fripperies) and Tony Levin (bass) on both [Discipline-era!] disks, with Bill Bruford providing percussive support on the latter. Considering that the performance credits on _KOD_ are only the vocal trio plus RF, TL & BB, I'd say the KC-double-trio concept predates the current line-up by a good dozen years! ;-) IMHO the Fripp factor is what put these albums over the top; I've heard all the Roches' albums, and these, their only Fripp productions, are their best. I love the Roches, and have attended many performances; but not having seen them with Fripp, I have never seen them at their peak. Shifting gears, here's another KC cover: 'Heartbeat' by Al Kooper and the Rekooperators. It's on Al's live two-CD set recorded at The Bottom Line (NYC), February 4-6, 1994, and is quite un-KC (what with the keyboards, horns, etc.). Among Kooper's comments: "... A song written by my friend Adrian Belew... We do it a little differently than Adrian (who has at least two different arrangements recorded himself!). I changed one of the really important chords in the song and it bugs him to no end, but he's still glad we do it. You can do that with covers; you can do 'em any way you want." Finally, the enjoyment my 17-year-old son and I shared of the June 7 KC/CGT show in D.C. was greatly enhanced by ET and the many VROOOM 'n' THRAK reviews and GIG SPOILERS, and other thoughtful posts. Thanks to all on both sides of the pond. We eagerly await the next tour. MORE, MORE! - Jake [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 01 Aug 95 16:59 GMT From: GRACO1 at AppleLink dot Apple dot COM (Graco, Doug Farrow,AM) Subject: TGD On 22 Jul 1995, JPRICE at TrentU dot ca discussed "Frame by Frame" and "Great Deciever" no longer available? > I work at a CD store in Ontario, Canada. Yesterday the owner mentioned that > "Frame by Frame" and "The Great Deciever" were no longer available and that > the one copy of each that we have in the store would be the last ones we > would be seeing. Does anyone know if these have been discontinued, perhaps > only in Canada or North America? FWIW, I was told by my local record store several months ago that TGD had been discontinued so I immediately ran out and found a copy elsewhere. If you like Red-era Crimso, buy this immediately even if it hasn't been discontinued. Doug Farrow GRACO1 at APPLELINK dot APPLE dot COM [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:07:38 +0300 (EET DST) From: Tamas Vilagi Subject: SCANDINAVIA/HAMMILL/B'boom Hello fellow ETers! The following info might not interest the North American readers, but there are many of us, European Crimheads, too. So, here it goes. Rune Johnsrud complained in the previous ET digest about Crimson not coming to Scandinavia. Well, since I live in Finland, I basically agree with that. There's no reason for cryin' or weapin', though. I went to see the Dusseldorf show, on May 7th by car! OK, I had to travel 1400 km to see Crimson, but on the other hand thats 14 hours of driving, which is pretty reasonable for me to see this behemoth live. I am a college student, so money doesn't grow on trees around me, but I somehow managed to gather the pennies. I understand that Norway is probably a little bit further away from Central-Europe than Finland, but its definitely not an impossible trip. I dont know if this driving to a Crimson gig is an official record, but within Europe it certainly could be. IT WAS WORTH IT! (Anxiously waiting for the next European tour!) So, Rune - see you in Europe!! Another subject: Mr Brian W Sullivan asked about Peter Hammill shows. Well B, I dont know where you live, but here's some info for you. Peter has not been over-visible this year, after an extensive tour in 1994. He has performed lately in Siberia, Moscow and St. Petersburg in Russia, and a he has also done a couple of one-off shows in Dresden (ex-DDR), and in a small town near Paris, that I cant remember the name of. He`s coming to perform in Finland at the Helsinki Festivals on the 24th of August, along with nobel-prized poet Joseph Brodsky etc. Its going to be a 'one man acoustic show', and a fantastic one, I'm sure. If you want more info, contact me! Last subject: Someone was asking reviews on the new KC double CD. I was also a bit surprised by the lack of reviews (none so far). It hasnt probably been released in the States yet. Well, here a brief one. SOUNDS: For a bootleg, superb sounds. TRACKS: 19 altogether, mostly the ones played on the tour. Best cuts; VROOOM,Elephant Talk,THRAK,LTIA pt 2, People(!), Heartbeat.....Hell, they're all great, I love the messing up in Elephant Talk by Robert!! COVER: Neat, although not as astonishing as THRAK. (The back cover is a sort of digitalized (is this the correct word????) version of THRAK. Had some trouble with the inner plastic that helds the two discs. (I broke it almost immediately) This is enough. There'll be dozens of other reviews, I'm sure. To sum up: - I LIKE IT ! _ Tamas Vilagi University of Helsinki, Finland vilagi at cc dot helsinki dot fi [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:41:11 -0700 From: John Relph Subject: Some new OREOs Here are some new bootlegs sighted recently: KING CRIMSON March For No Reason (Chesterfield 9/7/69) 2 CD, Archivo Solve Et Coagula (Rome, Italy 11/3/73) Teddy Bear The Ultimate Live Rarities, Vol. 1 (Portsmouth 12/15/72) The Ultimate Live Rarities, Vol. 2 (Oxford, England 11/25/72) LDY Supermarket In San Francisco (Cow Palace, SF 6/13/74) Anybody have any details? Send in now! -- John -- Eat recycled food! It's good for the environment and okay for you. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 16:50:41 -0400 From: gbunderh at library dot uwaterloo dot ca (gerald underhill) Subject: bruford book my link to the outside world via computers has created interesting expectations for me. i read here about a book by bill bruford which someone kindly tells me is "still available". and i think to myself, i've got to order this book! even though i a have fairly strict 'no book buying' rule. it should be an easy thing to do. not always!!!!! i work in a university library, therefore, if i can figure out how to use them, i have quite a few resources at hand. as far as i can find out, there is no "modern drummer publications" and the book "when in doubt, roll" is not in print & (very unfortunately) bill bruford is not a published author. this doesn't really mean that it isn't, i just haven't found the right information. but i know via the ether-net that someone out there at the end of a long information umbilical cord has a copy of what i want! my point (if there is one): if you know that something exists, and you would like others to share in your good fortune, give information that can be of use in getting a book, record, magazine article or whatever!!!! eg. correct title, correct publisher, distributor, ISBN number (extremely useful), publication date. all this will be very helpful to your & my book dealer. in the case of magazine articles, give the month and year. "check out the last issue", doesn't really cut it. we are not talking directly to each other (when we could query each other) & in the archives alot of this information would not make much sense in the future. i have a strong point to make. are we on this newsletter to gush about king crimson or to share our ideas & information? i don't wish to make elephant-talk into some dry academic journal. i would like it to be a useful source of information. king crimson could be our guide: intelligence, discipline, experimentation, imagination and a sense of humour. a helpful music store human told me that "modern drummer publications" is a division of the magazine "modern drummer" (obvious to anyone who has read the magazine, i haven't). a little more information! ;-} i'm still looking for the book, i'll not let my limitations stop me! gerald [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 22:28:26 -0400 From: TRAPDOOR1 at aol dot com Subject: Update Interstellar Discs Allentown, PA USA Office: (610) 776-7766 Fax: (610) 821-3539 E-Mail: Trapdoor1 at aol dot com ROBERT FRIPP: SOLO SOUNDSCAPES w/ THE CALIFORNIA GUITAR TRIO & LOS GAUCHOS ALEMANES TOUR UPDATE: Sept. 1st & 2nd: Muhlenberg College, Allentown, PA USA -CONFIRMED Ticket info: Tickets are on sale now. Available thru Muhlenberg's Radio Station WMUH . Call (610) 821-3239. Summer box office hours are daily 10AM thru 2PM EDT. There are plenty of good seats available, & you can use your credit card. Sept. 3rd: The California Guitar Trio (only) will be performing at an outdoor festival in Rockford, Illinois, at. 9:45PM More details as they become available. Sept. 5th: Club Bene in Morgan, New Jersey. -CONFIRMED Ticket info & sale date pending. Sept. 6th: Gaston Hall at Georgetown University 37th & O Sts. NW Washington, DC -CONFIRMED Ticket info: Available thru Ticketmaster. Watch this board for sale date. Sept. 7th: In-store performance in Manhattan, possibly J&R Musicworld. This is unconfirmed but likely. Sept. 8th & 9th: Washington Square Church, NYC, NY USA -CONFIRMED. Ticket info: Tickets go on sale August 12, 1995 at: Downtown Music Gallery 211 E. 5th Street New York, NY (212)-473-0043 e-mail - dmg at panix dot com Downtown's hours are: Sun - Thur: 12pm - 10pm. Fri & Sat: 12pm-12am Tickets may NOT be ordered over the internet. At this time tickets are not available by phone. This may change. Tickets are $22.00 each and there is a 4 ticket limit per person. Terms of sale are CASH ONLY. No checks, No credit cards. Show times are 7:00 and 9:30 with doors opening 1/2 hour before. The University of Delaware in Newark DE is on tap for Sept. 4th. This is unconfirmed. This schedule will be updated in Elephant Talk weekly, or as confirmations come in. Best, -MT [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 18:01:33 -0400 From: CptnApathy at aol dot com Subject: US, UK & Japan Distribution On Fri, 21 Jul 95 12:40:00, d dot zemel at genie dot geis dot com said: >I just bought the Japanese import Acoustic Adrian Belew which has two >songs not on the domestic version available for purchase at Adrian's last >two tours. On the Japanese version, "Young Lions" and "Men In Helicopters" >are inserted between "Crying" and "Martha Adored". It's a bit pricey for just >two extra songs, but if you gotta have EVERYTHING...! You know, I'm really sick of this import crap. Can someone please explain to me the following: 1) Why are their different release dates for albums in different countries? Is it that difficult to get an album that's distributed in the UK to the US? (Case in point: John Wetton's _Battle Lines_ took almost a YEAR to get to the US in a domestic release) 2) Why do different different versions have to have added tracks? (Case in point: The Acoustic Adrian Belew.) By putting this version out, it seems as if the companies are saying "poo-poo" to the US. Now those of us who want the two tracks have to shill out $40 to get it!!! ARGH!!! When I read about albums not released in the US, or releases finally reaching another country, it annoys me to no end. Larger acts like Michael Jackson & REM can get world-wide release on one day!! WHY CAN"T IT BE SO WITH EVERY ACT???? If anyone has access to record company executives, give them a good shake / smack in the head from me, OK? --Jeremy [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 00:50:36 -0800 From: suture at portal dot ca (Mark Mushet) Subject: ET re.Unthinking idolatry of Fripp & Crimson After perusing the Elephant talk newsletter and web site it became quite clear to me that there is a great deal of unthinking idolatry of Robert Fripp and King Crimson out there. Crimson's recent show here in Vancouver was a quick reminder that they are merely a very clever rock band. To elaborate: The String Trio of California (opening act) Amplified Ovation guitars simply sound overly bright, harsh, and ugly. All the more so when the soundman, no doubt lacking his hearing in the upper mids, cranks said levels. Robert Fripp may as well have engraved his initials in his students foreheads. I love Fripp's sound but his teachings may well have gone a long way towards robbing students of the capacity to develop their own voice. There need be only one Fripp on this planet. Bach, Morricone themes, Frippisms. Too much low grade gumbo. Yes there were highlights but they were gravely overshadowed. More original work please, gentlemen. And lose those Ovations! Listen to Ralph Towner! King Crimson Great Rock show. Bruford is a delight to watch as is Levin. Stick duet was nice and was the only time Trey Gunn was not hopelessly lost in the noise floor. Would like to have heard more work on the bodyless upright electric >from Levin. A duet between Levin and Eberhard weber would be guaranteed ear candy! Bruford is charming and still clearly enjoys playing with the group. I feel that Gunn and Mastelotto are superfluous. Gunn is lost in the noise floor completely and articulation is obliterated, especially in the context of a concert mix. And what does Pat really do that Bill can't make up for? Go back to the Discipline quartet and start again. The complexity and density they are striving for with the double trio format pales badly when you move forward in music and listen to 20th century composers like Xenakis, Lindberg, and especially Paul Dolden. Rock bands trying to do such things just look pretentious and ham-fisted. Fripp just hanging back in the center of the stage was a wise move. Even though I'd like to see him solo, the audience was there for the group. Belew is a riot to hear and see live in this context! One problem: Adrian, don't use your midi gear to imitate a string section in a venue that regularly hosts symphony orchestras! It sounds like the cheesiest mellotron on the planet! P.S. The Beatles have been and gone. While I really enjoyed the show, despite these critcisms, I think I would much rather have seen the live version of the Sylvian/Fripp band. The "Damage" cd is magnificent! Yours, Mark Mushet P.S. I too hope Sacred songs becomes available on cd! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:46:30 -0400 From: 76641 dot 673 at compuserve dot com Subject: Those Darn Zany Brothers ... 8.2.95 18:45 (EST) Hello again! First off, I'd like to say THANKS to Toby for making this all possible. Great job with the changes/enhancements you've made so far (just look at the Discipline Knotwork wallpaper on the Home Page) - Keep up the good job! Now, I'll put this up for anyone - Whatever happened the Giles Brothers; Peter and Michael. Far ahead of their time, this Bass/Drum tandem from the late 60's/early 70's, paved the way for future rhythm sections for decades to come. BTW, I just picked up a copy of McDonald and Giles on disk over the weekend. It still sounds fresh! I would hope these two are still making music some- where and not just making foral arrangements in the west of England (al- though, that's OK too!) Anyone with any clues to the Brothers Giles, please POST. Regards, Richard Mascarini - Saratoga NY, USA "One does what one can and if not, then one continues to do what one can" [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 14:08:58 +0200 From: tajthy at ind dot eunet dot hu (TAJTHY Tamas) Subject: Re:ET digest #203 Dear LIST, >Subject: First post/B'Boom/Tippet >Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 12:36:10 +0100 (BST) >From: "A.P.Cabral" > >Dear Crimheads and Schizoid men: [...cut...] >4- Question: I was listening the song "Bolero" in the Frame by Frame box set >(It's the last song of the CD 2, I think). The song stops at 6:43. After that >some seconds of silence and at 7:12 some conversation begins, certainly during >some rehearsal or studio recording. Mr. Fripp (I think) discuss some things with >the band (meanwhile I can listen cello, violin sounds). In the Mr. Fripp counts >123 223 and the CD ends. Did someone already notice that? It sounds like Lizard >or Island rehearsal. I remembered something and I checked it. It is on the Island CD's last song (Island). It is written it lasts 9:16. The song is over exactly at this point, but th CD still moving. At 10:16 some noise starts (instruments, chat "- It has... What we are going to do, do twice more. Once with the over(?), once with (???) Then we finish it." chat and violin (or something like this) again. 3 beeps, TIC-TACs, "123 223"). The song is over at 11:55. I don't really understand every bit of the chat. Who nows what is it for (and what the chat is. Just for improve my English.)? Biiig bye From: /=========================================================\ [ TAJTHY Tamas ] [ Shaman Research Ltd., EgoSoft International ] [ ( These are not real companies ! Just my aliases ! ) ] [ CompuServe: 100263,453 ] \=========================================================/ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] The views expressed in Elephant Talk are those of the individual authors only. Elephant Talk is released for the personal use of readers. No commercial use may be made of the material unless permission is granted by the author. Toby Howard, Elephant Talk editor. http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/staff-db/toby-howard.html toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]