From elephant-talk at arastar dot comTue May 23 08:43:59 1995 Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 17:31:11 +0800 From: elephant-talk at arastar dot com Reply to: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: elephant-talk at anthor dot arastar dot com Subject: Elephant-talk digest v95 #189 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 189, Friday, 12 May 1995 Today's Topics: MISC: go ahead, move on MISC: RE: Photos & Fripp in concert TOUR: new LA gig announced MISC: Playing a song twice (spoiler) MISC: Crimson on the Radio? MISC: Re: Sinfield post-Crimson MISC: Re:definitive editions, etc... MISC: TGD box set, SAOTW, rejoicing in differences MISC: Elephant Talk: Misc Items (Thrak, Sinfield etc.) THRAK: Elephant-talk digest v95 # THRAK: Re: the Fripp is Gone MISC: Wanted Dinosaur EP THRAK: active listening, VROOOM, etc MISC: Happy Birthday and Anniversary (5/16) MISC: fripp and hendrix MISC: radio show MISC: Re: Elephant Talk #187 MISC: Touchstyle GIGS: Concert selections THRAK3 cents MISC: influences MISC: Letterman in Germany THRAK: Lyrics to Marine 475 Explained THRAK: _People_ chorus TICKETS: KC Tix TICKETS: Re:Any tickets for Buffalo? [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Please send all posts to toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk The ET archives: WWW: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/elephant-talk.html FTP: The Americas: ftp.qualcomm.com, in /pub/et FTP: Rest of world: ftp.cs.man.ac.uk, in /pub/toby/elephant-talk EMAIL: Send "index elephant-talk" to listserv at arastar dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Mathews, Thomas J." Subject: MISC: go ahead, move on Date: Thu, 11 May 95 08:39:00 EST From: -- Mark Clements mpc at mbsmm dot com >And if the music doesn't tickle your fancy, don't be disappointed and >insulted that Crimson has let you down. Acknowledge the fact that they >simply are exploring a part of the musical landscape that does not interest >you, and move on. Thanks Mark I second your thought. If the list is too long then perhaps you might have inadvertently suggested a polite way for folks who don't "dig me" anymore to move out. (That felt great.) I grew up with the Beatles. When I was 10 I blasted to _The White Album_ full volume on head phones (until dad noticed) thinking that it was heaven. So, for me, if Belew et. al. bleed that genre then give me more. When Fripp and Belew were last in Washington DC I was unable to find out before the show exactly what we were to see. It turned out that Fripp was doing the quintet which I was rather ignorant of at the time. Robert played a few screaming solos that I will always remember as "points of light" in my life. Stick to boots if you complain that you don't hear him ripping on the albums, when Fripp rips live the earth moves. Then Belew came out with a few other white guys (hint) and did the POP stuff. The image is of Belew singing lyrics, with his heart sincerely interested, about animal rights and a screwed up industrial society. I used to call him the Hendrix of the 80's but maybe it's his mind and opinions I like the best now. See ya June 7th. arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh, tj (If you need LOUD check out Painkiller.) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 18:11:06 +0200 From: Finney Mark Subject: MISC: RE: Photos & Fripp in concert Paul Martz asked: Subject: TOUR: new LA gig announced Thanks to David Rogoff for the following extra date info: July 01 Sat Los Angeles, CA Wiltern Theater Toby [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 10:31:30 -0400 From: Matt35m at aol dot com Subject: MISC: Playing a song twice (spoiler) I had to read the reviews and set lists (they were there). It is not a unusual or should be considered a disapointment to have a band especially KC play one of their opening songs as an oncore. Fripp has done it before, it saw it in League of Gentlemen. It is steeped in musical tradition to do that. It came from the time when a band played everything it had. And when the crowd wanted one more they played their first song again. The song KC is choosing is one of the better on the album. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "ToddM" Organization: LaserMaster Corporation Date: 11 May 1995 11:34:43CST6CDT Subject: MISC: Crimson on the Radio? Last Sunday driving from Minneapolis to St. Peter (where my fiancee' and I are getting married on the 20th) I was listening to the Twin Cities radio station "The Cities 97" (97.1) and they played "Walking on Air" on their "Acoustic Sunrise" show and mentioned that the band had reformed. I was also surprised to hear the instrumental coda to "One Time" played on KNOW, 91.1, (the local MPR affiliate) played as bumper music between news stories. This is the only Crimson I've ever heard on radio, I was more surprised to hear two tunes within one weeks time. ToddM at laserm dot lmt dot com Todd Madson - Associate Technician LaserMaster Technical Support Services [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 11 May 95 10:05:52 PDT From: charly at hal dot com (Charly Rhoades) Subject: MISC: Re: Sinfield post-Crimson > Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 10:07:34 +1200 > From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James) > Subject: MISC: Re: Sinfield post-Crimson [...] > He's also narrated at least one talking book (Eno music used for the > background, too), an sf novel by J.G.Ballard. A minor nit: If you are referring to the story "In a Land of Clear Colors," which Sinfield narrated (and for which Eno contributed music), the author was not Ballard but Robert Sheckley. The recording was originally released in 1979 (accompanied by an illustrated book) in Spain but has been recently reissued (1993) on CD by Voiceprint. Charly Rhoades Finding extreme pleasure HaL Computer Systems will make you a better person charly at hal dot com if you're careful http://www.hal.com/~charly/ about what thrills you - HOLZER [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 12:59:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott T. Lillis" Subject: MISC: Re:definitive editions, etc... Scott Anderson wrote: >regarding "Matte Kudasai," it seems that an entire guitar part has been >removed from the song on the Definitive Edition. You're right there. It was a cool distortion guitar part(with out reverb, etc.) that sounded very Fripp. It was was a great solo at that. Too bad. I noticed it when I was figuring out the guitar parts. Which brings me to subject I wanted to bring up. Any musicians interested in figuring out KC songs may contact me...I've been working on KC songs(with help from others). I have additionally worked out Starless, Lament, LTiA pt.II as well as bits of OMRN, LTiA pt.I, and others. Anyone interested in this stuff or interested in contibuting their decipherings would be welcome. I'm interested in general in talking to other musicians who like to play KC. > Also, on the song "Cirkus" from Lizard, there is a slightly out-of-tune >electric guitar part... hmm...I'll have to check on that one. I always thought it was kinda odd the way fripp made those little mysterious changes. >Also, if someone with a little music theory training will open my eyes to >the purported similarity between "Dinosaur" and "Cirkus" in techinical >terms, I'd appreciate it. well...it's not a very technical similarity, it just the opening loud part is similar to the opening brass-mellotron in Cirkus. The part in Dino is a bit faster. In theory terms, its just an alternation between a root note and the diminished 5th.( I think). Fripp has always indulged in diminished and tri-tone(aka the Devil's chord....kinda sheds light on the Devil's triangle, I don't think that's a coincidence). >"Ignorance has always been something I excel in." -- King Crimson, Correction: '-Adrian Bellew'...two very different entities all together ;) Scott Lillis [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 13:35:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Optimystic Subject: MISC: TGD box set, SAOTW, rejoicing in differences Yet another lurker coming into the fold (or is that leaping into the void?) Question: Is THE GREAT DECEIVER box set really worth it? I mean, I'm quite a fan of the Wetton/Bruford era of Crimson, but four CDs for $70 or so just seems really excessive to me. Also, what sort of documentation does is come with? I loved the booklet that came with FRAME BY FRAME box set, that was, in my opinion, well worth it, especially since at that point my KC collection was almost exclusively on cassette. I also wish to express agreement with Mr. Weinberg and his endorsement of Sunday All Over The World. Very interesting stuff going on in that album, and, being a fan of Kate Bush, Ms. Wilcox's voice took no "getting used to" for me. Kudos to Mark Clements for his very balanced and admirable take on the furious debate on the (de)merits of Adrian Belew's influence. IMHO, it is impossible for the band to be "ruined" or "irrevocably damaged" as one person stated by a change in direction or expression. Also, I forget who said it, but whoever observed that "People" is no more commercial than "Cat Food" or "Easy Money" was right on the money. KC has quite a history of dipping into pop music for ideas as well as classical, african, jazz, etc. It does not water down the group. Any band as eclectic and experimental as KC cannot hope to please even SOME of the people ALL of the time. But that's OK. They're not trying to. -Derek.. PS: I'm yet another fan looking furiously for two tickets to KC in NYC, NJ, Philly, DC area, Boston, Buffalo, anywhere in the NE USA. Please Email! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 17:49:30 GMT From: dave at verdant dot demon dot co dot uk (Dave Bevan) Subject: MISC: Elephant Talk: Misc Items (Thrak, Sinfield etc.) This is my first posting, despite it being over 20 years since I bought my first Crimson Album (good grief!!), so I'll try and be concise, rather than ramble on. Firstly, someone was recently complaining about Thrak and implying that Belew had somehow hijacked the band! No no no no no no. Have you not listened to it? It has a firm musical basis is past Crimson - way before Belew was doing Fripp impressions with Bowie. To me, I think the structure is very reminiscent of LTiA & SaBB (and not just because one track has a coda!). Also, when it comes to Vroom Vroom / coda, there are very much shades of Sailors Tale & Groon. Thrak is a very solid, very Crimson album, and I'm sure that any Fripp / Belew musical differences have ample oppurtunity to be explored outside the KC format. As I write this (listening to Thrak), it says on the CD cover Limited Edition Gold CD. Does anyone have any details of how (un) limited this is? I assume thats its just the first pressing, but as it was the standard price in the shop, I thought I'd get it. And a final question. In the back of my mind, about 20 years ago, someone told me that they had read an interview where Fripp said something along the lines that sacking Sinfield was the first adult descision of his life. Does anyone have any comments on this? My regret is that I never bought the Sinfield album when I had plenty of opportunity to do so, cos I really like his lyrics, even if he did write 'Land of Make Beleive' for Bucks Fizz. -- Dave Bevan, | dave at verdant dot demon dot co dot uk Leamington Spa, | ------------------ United Kingdom. | -0-0-0-0-0-0- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 11 May 95 10:00 EST From: Phillip Samson <0005083314 at mcimail dot com> Subject: THRAK: Elephant-talk digest v95 # Hi All: Just a quick note to close the debate about which musicians are playing on which channel in VROOM. Check the May 1995 issue of Bass Player, which features an interview with Tony Levin (and he's on the cover). Tony details exactly who's in which trio & on who's on each side. He also talks about a lot of other cool things. I don't know if this publication is available outside the US. Phil Samson (psamson at mcimail dot com) -- "The deeper I talked, the worse I got into it." [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 12:19:31 -0700 From: tigger at batnet dot com (Adrienne L. Esztergar) Subject: THRAK: Re: the Fripp is Gone In Elephant Talk 187, you complain that the Fripp is Gone in the new KC recording. You mention liking Fripp's compositional style, his collaborations with Orb (FFWD), Crafty Guitarists, RFSQ, and so on. Wait a minute. Maybe we didn't get the same CD. VROOOM, THRAK, and VROOOM VROOOM are quintessential Fripp compositions in the style of Red, Larks' and Fracture. The searing Les Paul soloing on Dinosaur is quintessential Fripp. The resuscitated Mellotron washes are quintessential Fripp. Radio I and Radio II and the intro to B'Boom are highly FFWD-esque, in the vein of Soundscapes. Inner Garden I/II is a very Crafty-style ballad. But the point of the CD is NOT whether it sounds like Fripp, it's whether it sounds like King Crimson. And we are not to judge but we may opine. My opinion is it rips. It is wallpaper-shredding. And IMHO it is classic Crimso. Or are you content with your assessment that six people most of whom you seem to avidly appreciate, suddenly and en masse let you down in a single recording? Take another listen, hear the layers, hear the deliberate touches. Hear the music. - Brian (through Adrienne) ***************** Adrienne Esztergar ***************** ********** Expert Support, Inc., Mountain View, CA ***************** adrienne at xs dot com/tigger at batnet dot com 415/941-9778 FAX:941-2898 "Don't take life so serious...It ain't nohow permanent." - Walt Kelly [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 11 May 95 13:07:55 -0700 From: gilliams at SIRIUS dot COM (Ron Gilliams) Subject: MISC: Wanted Dinosaur EP I've heard about the "Dinosaur" EP which has dinosaur, and some live cuts, a couple to be on the next CD which will be live?? I can NOT find this EP around here, if you can get it, I will send you a check and please ship it to me.. Any takers?? Thanks.. Ron Gilliams gilliams at netcom dot com OR gilliams at sirius dot com **************************************************************************** *** WARNING: In Coming Game.. *** WARNING: In Coming Game.. *** **************************************************************************** ** ******* NO FLESH SHALL BE SPARED ******** ** ** Ron Gilliams ** ** Tardis Computer Systems ** ** Berkeley Ca. ** ** U.S.A. ** ** gilliams at netcom dot com ** ** gilliams at sirius dot com ** **************************************************************************** ** Press to Continue ** **************************************************************************** [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:16:29 -0600 From: nash at chem dot wisc dot edu (John R. Nash) Subject: THRAK: active listening, VROOOM, etc Some more comments as my listening experience with THRAK continues... - Active listening vs. passive listening: this represents two very different ways of experiencing music. What 'works' for some people doesn't do it for others. Personally, I am a very 'active' listener; I enjoy listening to the music as a whole _and_ as a sum of its parts, and the composer's craft is something that I enjoy appreciating. This probably stems from my training as a musician and a scientist. For me, the beauty of something is magnified, not diminished, by seeing/hearing/experiencing it on different levels, knowing how it is put together. There are times when music reaches me on an unconscious level as well, and at that point my brain can 'turn off.' Others listen passively almost exclusively (see Walt Whitman's "When I Heard the Learn'd Astronomer") and derive more enjoyment >from that. What works for you is what works. The world is not black and white. - VROOOM: The best part about having the EP and the LP is that there *are* differences in the "repeated" songs. On the first track, the VROOOM version has a raw edge and driving force that I really like. The drumming, IMHO, is *much* better on the EP version -- the dual snare echoing the melody line fits in with the cohesive whole more than the one-drummer-keeping-time-while-the-other- noodles-around-on-the-boobams on the LP. I note that I much prefer the drumming in VROOOM VROOOM, which is reminiscent of the EP's first track drumming. The LP's VROOOM has the advantage of the stereo separation, which is an interesting, if not wholly successful, experiment. I'd like to see this explored further. - "Pop sensibilities": Why is this a perjorative term? I think we all agree that Adrian has them, but not all of us like them. Fripp's projects span a rather wide range of sounds and styles; since "Discipline," his Crimson work has included Belew's "sensibilities" (and elephantosities!) in the mix. My opinion on the lyrics is that Belew is a good lyricist; occasionally the lyrics are inspired, occasionally they fall flat. They are always distinctively Belew, though. I also have no problems with Beatles/Lennon influences, and don't hear that he's "forcing himself to sound like someone else," as has been implied in this forum. - "Dinosaur": This track is *really* growing on me. The drum interplay under the chorus is great, and the song has a nice, mean edge to it. Any luck in getting the track played on the radio? Perhaps we should all call in after the Letterman appearance.... - Lastly, while I'm being a "vampire" of a fan... I think "Waiting Man" would be a particularly apt song to play live with the two-drummer setup. Please? :-) "There is nothing 'former' about King Crimson." -RF It's only talk, john ===== john nash == nash at chem dot wisc dot edu ===== [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: E#KIRKD at ccmail dot ceco dot com Date: Thu, 11 May 95 17:07:21 CST Subject: MISC: Happy Birthday and Anniversary (5/16) Fellow ETers and Mr. Fripp, I have been going thru past ET digests and have read a number of postings dealing with Mr. Fripp's personality and people's anecdotes of close encounters with him. The majority of these people seem to have experienced the sometimes less than friendly side of Mr. Fripp. I don't deem it worth reopening this debate, as we are all entitled to our opinion about this matter, and Mr. Fripp is certainly under no obligation to be anything other than what he wishes to be, but it has made me think of my sole close encounter with Mr. Fripp. It was at the Crafty Guitarist show in '90 (I think) at the Park West in Chicago. I had arrived early and the doors were open and some people were already there. I decided to stake my claim to a center seat for the optimum audio and visual experience. Walking down the left aisle of the hall, who should I come across but Mr. Fripp himself. He was sitting at a table with another person. I started thinking to myself, "Hey, it's Robert Fripp! In person! Here!" (the standard synaptic mindlessness). Having been a long time enthusiast of this person's work, I thought it would be great to just say so and thank him (there we go with that "thanking" thing again). In hindsight I would have liked to have said something like, "I just wanted to thank you for sharing music's confidences with me through your work." But instead all I got out was a timid, "Mr. Fripp...?" to which he replied without looking at me, "I'm not here." I guess I could have said, "Well, in that case, could you let him know that I wanted to thank him for sharing music's confidences with me through his work.", but I didn't. I was too taken aback by that unexpected reply. Of course, that night's performance was still very enjoyable. There is a point to all this rambling: Where I understand Mr. Fripp's desire to be unassuming and removed from unnecessary disturbances, so that he can concentrate on music, and hearing its whispers (and I think a lot of ET readers feel the same way), I still am grateful for the music that he shares with us. And even though he'd probably want to remain anonymous in the presence of this music, and not want any undue attention directed specifically to himself by enthusiasts like myself, I'd just like to wish Mr. Fripp a very happy birthday and happy anniversary too! And if I may, on this occasion, from this safe distance, I'd also just like to thank you for sharing music's confidences with me through your work(!) Daniel Kirkdorffer e#kirkd at ccmail dot ceco dot com P.S. In case Mr. Fripp feels at an unfair disadvantage here, my birthday is June 4th if ever he feels he'd like to reciprocate birthday wishes! :) (P.P.S. Thanks Toby for this forum, and I must say (yet again) you've put together a tremendous ET Web site! All ET readers who haven't checked it out yet should drop everything and do so *right now* (after reading the rest of this fine newsletter, of course)!) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 11 May 95 15:17:01 -0700 From: David A. Craig Subject: MISC: fripp and hendrix I know this is at least partly old news, but recent events have once again made me wonder if there is any reason to believe that the famous story of fripp meeting hendrix is not apocryphal? (For those who have not heard the tale, it is said that hendrix met fripp backstage at some festival (i think), saying "shake my left hand, man, it's closer to my heart.") My interest in the question has far less to do with whether one favored musician endorsed another, than whether hendrix had an appreciation for the kind of music that king crimson was performing at that time. I posted this question to the rather serious "hey-joe" list, and received the appended reply. I relay it because while it did not answer my initial question, it raised another interesting one: why would fripp feel it necessary to avoid a direct answer? There are various possibilities, naturally, such as -some feeling that it was a personal question (which i think i can understand) -fripp enjoys "urban myths" -he did not feel it relevant to *music* ... which is after all what's important. (Here I would say that i'm interested in the question *precisely* because i feel that it would give me further insight into hendrix and what moved him and his music.) - ... ? As this list is becoming rather unwieldy, i would be happy to take personal email on the matter and collate the results for the list if anything of interest manifests itself. david >From gs795 at piglet dot INS dot CWRU dot Edu Wed May 10 04:19:41 1995 >Subject: Fripp & Hendrix >I went to Fripps guitar seminars in 86 & 87. During each session >Fripp would let the students ask stupid questions. I asked the >closer to my heart question and he slyly sidestepped the issue. >He did however denounce drugs ( he never tried them ) and said >that Hendrix's death was one of the most senseless ones ever. >He emphasized the greatest tragedy of all. The lost music - due >to his death. Hope this fun fact helps. But I asked it - he >sidestepped it - and you're hearing it from the horses mouth. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 18:05:46 -0600 From: cheevy-james at MAIL dot UTEXAS dot EDU (James Hines) Subject: MISC: radio show Hello all! I work at KVRX (student radio) at the University of Texas at Austin. This past week, I had the pleasure of doing 4 days in a row of 4-hour shows. Natch, Crimso (and Trey Gunn and Tony Levin) was featured. Yesterday, (Wednesday) I decided to do an all Crimson show. I couldn't play *only* King Crimson because we have to do required stuff, like local groups. But, the vast majority of my 4 hour program was KC. Here's what I played: 21st Century Schizoid Man Waiting Man Cat Food VROOOM (fr. VROOOM) Neurotica Coda:Marine 475 The Great Deceiver Thela Hun Ginjeet Cage Larks Tongues Pt. 3 (Live) Sleepless Groon Cadence and Cascade (Belew version) Three of a Perfect Pair People Red Frame By Frame Matte Kudasai Satori in Tangier (Live) Dinosaur One More Red Nightmare Devil's Triangle King Crimson Barber Shop (!!) Peace-an End Larks Tongues' Pt. 1 Get Thy Bearings (Live) Ladies of the Road Easy Money One Time (fr. THRAK) Discipline Prince Rupert Awakes (sorry, the whole THRAK thing's too long) Elephant Talk cont. in next column I know there's a lot I left out, but I think it's pretty comprehensive. If you're interested in my show, I'll be on sometime next semester (I haven't been assigned a slot yet). My DJ name is "THE MAN". KVRX is located at 91.7 FM and 99.5 cable FM in the great city of Austin, Texas. Thanks for reading. "Go Horns!!" James "THE MAN" Hines "I refuse to beat myself up." (no, I am *not* the Guitar Craft James Hines III....but I wouldn't mind!) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Steven M. Hill" Subject: MISC: Re: Elephant Talk #187 Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 20:30:33 +0200 (BST) > > >> "Steven" == Steven M Hill writes: > > Steven> Is the "Dinosaur" CD single available in the UK ? > > I don't think so. But the live in Argentina album will be out soon, whic > hwill have the live tracks on the D CD single. The recent ET has whetted my appetite for the live version of RED - possibly my fave KC, well this week anyway. Steve [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 19:46:45 -0400 From: WarrM at aol dot com Subject: MISC: Touchstyle Hi All, These two instruments Trey is playing are called the "Warr Touchstyle Bass/Guitar". This is a 12 string stereo or mono instrument with bass and guitar capabilities. This instrument has a 9 piece wood laminant neck through construction with graphite bars inlayed internally. The electronics feature custom 18 volt active Bartolini pickups. You have many different tones at the flick of the switch (and very quiet too!). The bridge is a custom intonatable 12 string Wilkinson. The instrument can be played both in a vertical or horizontal position and can be tapped, plucked, snaped, or poped. Hope you enjoyed the show Andrea. I'm looking forward to the L.A. Show in june. I'm very excited. (Seems to long to wait!) See Ya, Mark Warr [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 21:05:30 -0400 From: ranger at haven dot ios dot com Subject: GIGS: Concert selections I've read the play lists in the last few ET's, and I hope it still a work in progress. Why Dinosaur twice? There's enough material to choose from to not repeat. I'd enjoy hearing Satori in Tangiers, and Discipline, which I've only heard live once, at one of their first concerts at the Savoy in NYC. Requiem would probably be amazing with this six piece unit too. Is it also plausible that they will mix up the play lists a little throughout the tour? I'm seeing them both nights in NYC and a few days later in New Jersey, so it would be pleasant to hear a little variety. GB [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 21:23:25 -0500 From: gastarit at comm dot net Subject: THRAK3 cents Et'ers This list is getting huge ! Increasingly more difficult to read in one sitting. Anyway...A few comments about Thrak... I've posted quite a bit in the past...I've seen Kc several times,in the early 70's and so on. Numero Uno prog-band of all time in my book. Unfortunately after several listenings of Thrak I am somewhat disenchanted. It starts off in a blaze,,,,I think the last third of the cd is a letdown. Instead of continuing variations of themes already stated why not a high-charged instrumental or perhaps another ballad...etc. IMHO I feel that there is some definite filler material on this recording. Thats what disappoints me. Perhaps my expectations are high and granted they should be. Finally, compared to most of the junk I hear today, a three star effort from KC should easily win record of the year Kudos. Glenn [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 16:40:03 +1200 From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James) Subject: MISC: influences Well, we know that Fripp and Belew are fans of Lennon & McCartney, but what other influences have there been on Crimson over the years? Has Fripp, or anyone else, ever talked about their musical influences in interview (other than in elliptical statements about the members of the band bringing themselves into Crimson, etc) ? I know that one correspondent here has mentioned Hendrix, and I must add to that my frequent thoughts that Cream (particularly tracks like "Tales of Brave Ulysses") may have helped shape the early Crimson sound. Anyone else care to suggest more possibilities? James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 05:40:22 GMT From: mpeters at ibm dot net (Michael Peters) Subject: MISC: Letterman in Germany German KC fans: I talked to a representative of RTL 2 and he told me that the Letterman show is usually shown one workday after the original US broadcast, so the Letterman show which is supposed to be with Crimson (from Friday May 19th) will be shown on Monday May 22nd here on RTL 2. Maybe I'll watch RTL2 on 19th anyway, just to make sure I don't miss it in case this guy didn't tell me the truth. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | Michael Peters CIS 100041,247 | | Postfach 600645, 50686 Koeln, Germany mpeters at ibm dot net | | "Do nothing for as long as possible" (Brian Eno) | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 14:36:16 +0200 From: Finney Mark Subject: THRAK: Lyrics to Marine 475 Explained Tim Meadowcroft asked: Subject: TICKETS: Re:Any tickets for Buffalo? I'd really like to see King Crimson and I know they'll be in Buffalo at the end of the month. Of course they're sold out, but if anyone has any "extra" tickets, I'd sure be interested. Thanks, Tom. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] The views expressed in Elephant Talk are those of the individual authors only. Elephant Talk is released for the personal use of readers. 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