From elephant-talk at arastar dot comSat Apr 8 07:15:45 1995 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 23:16:31 +0800 From: elephant-talk at arastar dot com Reply to: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: elephant-talk at anthor dot arastar dot com Subject: Elephant-talk digest v95 #179 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 179, Friday, 7 April 1995 Today's Topics: King Crimson on Letterman Japan Re: Fripp ballet music? Re: Questions about old KC Re: #3(3) Elephant-talk digest v95 #178 re: Daryl Hall / Darshana / Sylvian/Fripp "The First Day" tour set list Re: Daryl Hall/Re: Cobain Court of Crimson King GIF mellotron Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #178 Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #178 Re: Daryl Hall/Re: Cobain Japanese Thrak Elephant Talk: Emerson and Fripp RFSQ - Soundscape Thrak comments McDonald/Pretty Pink Roses The dangers of believing the Net Re: Questions about old KC Re: daryl hall Re: mellotron Bad Dates? Sacred Songs Fripp solos BB stories RE: Elephant-talk digest v95 #178 Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #178 lolladiversity Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #178 Animal Review's Fripp Editi KC availablity in Iceland & Earthbound Fripp as Bowie's sideman and as a distant progenitor of grungie stuff... Bruford, keeping time, and the Michael Jackson mailing list Re: Ian MacDonald + other things Questions About Old KC Disappointment With New Crimson Mellotron KC In Eastern Europe thrak in USA NOW!!!!!! Double Trio in Buenos Aires Critics l.a. tickets on sale Re: N(ET): a cool tool for Crimheads (Re: tours etc.) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Please send all posts to toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk The ET archives: WWW: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/elephant-talk.html FTP: The Americas: ftp.qualcomm.com, in /pub/et FTP: Rest of world: ftp.cs.man.ac.uk, in /pub/toby/elephant-talk EMAIL: Send "index elephant-talk" to listserv at arastar dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 12:28:51 -0400 From: aglwsa1 at peabody dot sct dot ucarb dot com (Gary L. Wright) Subject: King Crimson on Letterman ET, I noticed one of the issues discussed recently in ET was about King Crimson performing on the Late Show with David Letterman, and the proposed date was given as May 19. In looking at the tour dates provided by Possible Productions; they are playing at the Royal Albert Hall in London on May 17th & 18th, then starting the North American leg in Buffalo on May 26th. It seems unlikely that they would be able to get enough people and equipment from London to New York in one day in order to play. Any truth to this rumour, or perhaps a different date? I would love to have another video tape of Crimson performing as I have long since lost my tape of the Fridays performance. Thanks for providing this service, I had no idea there were other people who shared my interest in this type of music. [[ I _think_ the 19th May Letterman date is possible because the L. show is being taped in London that week. I think I saw this on alt.music.progressive. -- Toby ]] Toby Gary Wright Ph:(713) 212-2072 Unicom:8-544-2072 Information Technology - Union Carbide Corp. X400: C:US ADMD:MARK400 PRMD:UCARB S:WRIGHT G:GARY E-mail: aglwsa1 at peabody dot sct dot ucarb dot com Fax # (713) 212-2216 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: ba07693 at bingsuns dot cc dot binghamton dot edu Subject: Japan Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 14:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Maybe someone out there can help me out. I think Fripp's work with David Sylvian is great, and I enjoy Sylvian's solo non-Fripp stuff, as well. Recently I've come across CDs in various stores from the band JAPAN, with stickers proclaiming Sylvian's membership in the band. What kind of music is this? Who else is in this band? What album, if any, would you recommend as their best? I also noticed they have a three-album CD box set. Would this be worth picking up, instead of the individual CDs? Is the music comparable to Crimson? Or what? Can you tell I'm curious about this band? Thrak you, Justin Weinberg ba07693 at bingsuns dot cc dot binghamton dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 15:05:53 +1200 From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James) Subject: Re: Fripp ballet music? j at vrooom dot pp dot fi (Jukka Kukkonen) wrote: >the Atlanta Ballet used Fripp's music in a modern dance performance in >March:"...blackened stage to Robert Fripp's electronic musical score, a >perfectly-timed strobe light catches the peak of his action and suspends >his movements as he leaps through the air. The effect is a startling >realization of every person's dream of flying..." Sheeesh! What music did >they use? Not an answer to your question, but I have seen a performance by a modern dance/dance-ballet group using an edited version of (No Pussyfooting). Worked pretty well, too. James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 20:41:44 +0800 From: root at arastar dot com (0000-Admin(0000)) Subject: Re: Questions about old KC > I've always wondered, is the KC Ian MacDonald the same one who helped form > the band Foreigner? (ugh) Yup. What I'm curious about is whether he's the same Ian MacDonald who wrote a book on Shostakovich a couple of years ago. -- Ken Bibb "Upon a wave of summer kbibb at arastar dot com A hilltop paved with gold jester at crash dot cts dot com We shut our eyes and make the promises we hold" David Sylvian--"Wave" [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 00:32:58 -0400 From: AFCPeterS at aol dot com Subject: Re: #3(3) Elephant-talk digest v95 #178 > Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 13:12:20 BST > From: cbackham at uk dot mdis dot com (Clive Backham) > Subject: Marotta on Breathless? > > In ET #176, there were two references to Jerry Marotta's > excellent drumming on Exposure's "Breathless". I don't want to > get involved in the rather futile debate over Marotta's > capabilities, but would just like to point out that he wasn't > the only drummer on Exposure, and credits were not given for > individual tracks. Anyhow, I don't think the drummer on > "Breathless" is Marotta (nor does it sound like Phil Collins). > My money is firmly on Narada Michael Walden(sp?). On the original LP, there were track-by-track credits, and it is indeed Walden, not Marotta, who drums on it. Peter Stoller [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 21:32:42 -0700 From: tntmusic at halcyon dot com (Kevin J. O'Conner dba Tinty Music) Subject: re: Daryl Hall / Darshana / Sylvian/Fripp "The First Day" tour set list >I want to spark some conversation regarding the Robert Fripp produced Daryl >Hall album that came out in the late seventies. It was part of a trilogy >featuring Fripp's 'Exposure' and Peter Gabriel's second (or first?) album. >I found the cassette in the bargain bin a few years back. I remember it >being fairly decent (Fripp plays on it, too) -does anyone have any >information regarding a CD copy of this? Or even vinyl?? Sacred Songs was released on CD in Japan in September 1992. It's on RCA, through BMG Victor, catalog no. BVCP-2091, priced at Y2,000. >According to the leaflet, Darshana was written by Sylvian, Fripp, Gunn (I >think also Bottrill) and Cobain. Would this by any chance happen to be the >late Kurt Cobain? If so, could anyone provide some more info on this? (Any >sort of info at all, really). No, it's the Cobain (Gary? I can never remember the guy's first name) who is a member of Future Sound of London. >The pair of Sylvian & Fripp "live imports" _Kings_ and _Kings Second >Chapter_ have left me completely bewildered. >Can anyone e-mail me with the correst dates & locations, as well as the >track listing for _Kings_? Thanks. I don't know about the dates, but yes, they were recorded in Italy. Sylvian & Fripp toured Japan in March 1992 as a trio (with Trey Gunn), then Italy in June 1992. I don't know about the Italian tour, but the Japanese tour was titled "The First Day"; the California Guitar Trio were the opening act. The correct set list was as follows: Soundscape Firepower Ascension | Song | [erroneously titled "Bringing down the light" on Kings] Subterranean burn | The first day Jean the birdman Splatology [20th century dreaming] Mood #1 [erroneously titled "Tallow moon" on Kings] Protopunk [erroneously titled "Chromatic fantasy" on Kings] Blinding light of heaven Urban landscape They usually played two songs during the one encore at each show (I went to three of the four Tokyo dates), generally chosen from among "The first day", "Jean the birdman", "Blinding light of heaven", and (I think - I'd have to check one of the reviews - usually complete with set list - that appeared in the Japanese music magazines shortly thereafter) "Splatology". The Robert Fripp String Quintet then toured Japan in November 1992. Kevin J. O'Conner d.b.a. Tinty Music P.O. Box 85363 Seattle, WA 98145-1363 vox: (206) 632-9369 fax/modem: (206) 545-2868 e-mail: tntmusic at halcyon dot com k dot oconner at genie dot geis dot com zzs32874 at pcvan dot or dot jp. Check out the Tinty Music band page on IUMA! http://www.iuma.com/IUMA/band_html/Tinty_Music.html [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 01:00:18 -0400 From: sarusan at mindspring dot com (Steven Rhodes) Subject: Re: Daryl Hall/Re: Cobain Daryl Hall's "Sacred Songs" is available on cd in Japan (there's very little that's not on that format there.) I've enjoyed this album very much on vinyl for many years. Unfortunately, the cd doesn't have the the runoff grooves. In more than one way, Robert's work with David Sylvian resonates with the work on this album. Highly recommended and worth finding. Garry Cobain (no relation to Kurt Cobain who died a year ago today) is one of the two members of the Future Sound of London. In a way, the track that they remixed, "Darshana", is also a return to and perhaps a reconciliation with the late seventies. Their use of the neglected track "The Zero of the Signified" (RF called it a failed experiment) brings recognition of how far this work was ahead of it's time. The original track was far better than the remix, renamed "God Save the Queen", and is the true precursor of today's ambient dub. Steven [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Nadav Noah Caine Subject: Court of Crimson King GIF Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:30:52 -0700 (PDT) I remember someone asking a few issues back, so here. If you would like to download the small KC GIF, just click on it on my www homepage, which is: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~nadav/ (-Nadav) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 01:51:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "David J. Topper" Subject: mellotron There has been a HUGE revival of 60's and 70's sounds in the keyboard world as of late. I think EMU now puts out a rack called Vintage Keys which does the mellotron, hammond, and many others. I'm sure there are also many other "new" means of creating a mellotron sound. Just sample some strings and add some 60mHz buzz - then loop it - with some tweaking you'll be there (perhaps some LPC analysis, Phase Vocoding, or Convolution). It would be very interesting indeed if Mr. Fripp elected to play, "the real thing." DT [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 00:56:19 -0600 From: jklein at midway dot uchicago dot edu (Joshua Klein) Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #178 This Bruford thing is really out of hand, but as another drummer, I'd like to clarify a couple of things. No one ever said that keeping time relegates the drummer to 4/4 time. Why can't Bruford "keep time" in one of his many obnoxiously complex time signatures he seems to favor? I seem to recall a Bruford interview in which the drummer spoke of his desire to play the drums like any other "free" instrument i.e. he should be allowed to play whenever he likes, whatever he likes (a virtual solo). This is fine and dandy in a solo only, but Crimson would not cohere if every single instrument were going off in another direction; they would sound like just a bunch of improvising avant-jazzers. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but Crimson's talent is in their ability to cohere and not just wank (though wanking is a bog part of it ;^)). Anyways, complaints about Bruford not playing in "time" probably stems from the fact that he likes to wander around the music, much like a guitar or stick. He should be able (like any good drummer) to keep time and make it interesting, too. If he wants to play math jazz, fine, but even math-jazzers keep the time. Josh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ jklein at midway dot uchicago dot edu: "I see no...evil" *vinyl records are really cds and have been since 1983.* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 23:21:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacob Aaron Gorny Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #178 In response to Nick's question about the Daryl Hall album "Sacred Songs," it is out of print in the US in any format, but I have seen in in the CD Europe catalogue as an import, although it was a bit pricey in the $30 range if I'm not mistaken. It is an interesting album, with one of my favorite frippertronics and fripp solos. One of the things I was wondering was if the UK release of "Exposure" on CD, which I've seen listed in import catalogues occasionally, is the "remastered version," since the record label which produces it is not (at least directly) E'G. Has anyone got any information as to whether or not this pressing is the original? And in response to Lars M.'s question about Cobain, it is not the Cobain from Nirvana, but the Cobain from Future Sound of London which is represented in the Darshana track... gornyja at whitman dot edu Jacob Gorny [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 01:00:18 -0400 From: sarusan at mindspring dot com (Steven Rhodes) Subject: Re: Daryl Hall/Re: Cobain Daryl Hall's "Sacred Songs" is available on cd in Japan (there's very little that's not on that format there.) I've enjoyed this album very much on vinyl for many years. Unfortunately, the cd doesn't have the the runoff grooves. In more than one way, Robert's work with David Sylvian resonates with the work on this album. Highly recommended and worth finding. Garry Cobain (no relation to Kurt Cobain who died a year ago today) is one of the two members of the Future Sound of London. In a way, the track that they remixed, "Darshana", is also a return to and perhaps a reconciliation with the late seventies. Their use of the neglected track "The Zero of the Signified" (RF called it a failed experiment) brings recognition of how far this work was ahead of it's time. The original track was far better than the remix, renamed "God Save the Queen", and is the true precursor of today's ambient dub. Steven [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 01:08:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Lyons Subject: Japanese Thrak Hello all, it appears that Thrak has been out in Japan for a couple of weeks, and is available in the states via many import dealers. Japanese releases often contain extra material, and I'm wondering if this is the case with Thrak. Anyone seen the item in question, or a track listing? Thanks for the finest music list on the net, -e.l. Erik PS: Sincere condolences to Oliver's family. May he R.I.P. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 02:42:43 -0600 (MDT) From: "Alan J. Mallery" Subject: Elephant Talk: Emerson and Fripp Here's an excerpt of a Keith Emerson interview done late last year by a German keyboard mag, concerning ELP's covers on the Return of the Manticore box set.. Q: You've also re-recorded a few other pieces for ROTM, King Crimson's "21st Century Schizoid Man" for example, or the Crazy World of Arthur Brown's "Fire", or Greg Lake's "I Believe in Father Christmas". They're not part of the ELP repertoire, but one of you had taken part in the original in each case. Why did you re-record them? A: Well, shortly before the "Black Moon" tour, we sat down with Harvey Goldsmith and contemplated whether we could make this tour somehow different. We wanted it to be something very special. My suggestion was: "why don't we play with The [ Editor's note: more dropout but a reference to Robert Fripp as you'll see below ] to see a large part of the history of progressive rock in one show. (Pause) I still think it would have been a fantastic show. Q: Why did it fall through? A: Because of Greg Lake, why else? He just didn't like the idea of working with Bob Fripp again. Q: On musical grounds? A: On Greg Lake grounds! (laughs) Q: Would Robert Fripp have been prepared to work with Greg Lake? A: Well, I don't know whether he'd have had the time to do it. I mean, we never got to ask him, because Greg Lake turned down the idea immediately. But I'm sure Bob would have found the idea exciting. (pause) So, after it became clear that such a tour as I suggested couldn't be realised, we just did it musically in the studio, between the three of us. But I would like to have done this tour, rather than the boxed set. Q: Do you still see a possibility for a package tour of The Nice, King Crimson and ELP? A: No idea. (Pause) Perhaps we've missed the right time for it for good now. Q: Because of Greg or because of your right hand? A: (Silent) Alan =================================================================== Alan Mallery/aka: ajmaller at ouray dot cudenver dot edu\aka2: Emerson at aol dot com =================================================================== Now Playing: John Cage - 4'22" (in LOOP mode) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 20:12:52 +0000 From: John Pearson Subject: RFSQ - Soundscape Hello fellow disciplinarians! For once, I don't feel like Australia is on the wrong side of the world! In the course of a single day I collected my copy of 1000 years (I ordered it, but I really wasn't expecting it to turn up - the guy in the store had no idea where to get it from; I suppose he must have guessed right!), and not half an hour later found The Bridge Between and 1999 in another store. Good to see the "product" getting around! Which brings me to the point of my post: some months ago I found a CD in a different store called "Soundscape" by the RFSQ. I bought it, and a friend asked if they could get another, which they did (that really surprised me - the store in question is usually singularly clueless, and would be among my last choice of places to order anything). I was pleased as punch, but I haven't seen anyone else refer to it, and am wondering what I've found. It's released by "Red Phantom" and is RPCD 1116. It says it was "Recorded live on November 1992", which from the liner notes for The Bridge Between suggests it was recorded in Japan. The running order is Soundscape; Yamanishi Blues; Melrose Avenue; Kan-Non Power; Firescape; An Easy Way; Moving Force; Asturias; Walk Don't Run; Chromatic Fantasy; Contrapunctus; Eye of the Needle; Blockhead; Hope; Urban Scape; Pipeline; Kan-Non Power (as an encore). It includes a booklet made of a couple of leaves folded and stapled, which includes the same photo of Trey as in 1000 Years, as well as a colour shot of Robert and mono shots of Robert & Trey, apparently >from the same shoot (photos are labelled as "Studio Pixel, Genova Italy"). The CD itself is overprinted with a piccie of 5 stick heads silhouetted against reddish-orange curtains. The rear cover of the case bears what appears to be a small rubber-stamp inmpression smack bang in the middle, with the words "Societa Italia " inscribed in a circle about the initials "SIAR" (or perhaps "SIAP"), and with the number "CD21" just below the initials. Can anyone tell me what the status of this recording is? As I've not seen it referred to on the list I don't think it's a regular commercial release, but it looks too "official" for a bootleg (although it carries no copyright or composer information, aside from a discreet "(P) 1993"). Overjoyed but mystified, John P. my life is a dance on the edge de l abime =^\_/^\ | Most men are bad - Bias and i am the singer you d love to slam /<@> \ | He that is down can who murders the midnight anonyme { | }| fall no lower. - Butler for i am a cat of the devil i am \__/-\__/ <----- mehitabel ----<<<< [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 13:39:11 BST From: cbackham at uk dot mdis dot com (Clive Backham) Subject: Thrak comments Thrak (the album) has restored my faith in Crimson. Some of you may recall that I was less that bowled over by VROOOM, describing parts of it as "a bloody racket". Thrak is much better developed. IMHO the tracks "VROOOM", "Thrak" and "Sex..." have matured immensely. "Thrak" was the number on VROOOM that I simply couldn't stomach, at the time accusing Bruford of behaving like a bull in a kitchen utensils shop. On the new version, the individual threads are more restrained and can be followed much easier. (It is now just a "racket" rather than a "bloody racket" :-) In ET #178, gsouthall at cix dot compulink dot co dot uk (Garfield Southall) wrote: >Has anybody else noticed a Beatles' feel to some of the songs? I thought >Dinosaur was particularly McCartneyish in melody and the end of People >reminds me of 'I Want You (She's so heavy)'. Agreed. The first time I heard "People", the end section was maddeningly familiar, and it took a while to figure out it was like "I Want You". Another Beatles-like one is the riff from "Jean the Birdman", which for some reason reminds me a little of the opening to "Taxman". Also, Belew's voice is getting *really* spooky. At times you could almost believe that Lennon is alive and well and being sneaked into the studio to record Adrian's vocal lines, and not just on Thrak: the same Lennon-esque voice is very noticable on "Here". Clive Backham McDonnell Information Systems, UK email: cbackham at uk dot mdis dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 01:08:31 +1200 From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James) Subject: McDonald/Pretty Pink Roses >I've always wondered, is the KC Ian MacDonald the same one who helped form >the band Foreigner? (ugh) Yes. He stayed with that band until about 1980. I've seen a rock family tree somewhere which explained it all further, but can't remember where (possibly in the Yes boxed set?). Matters could have been more confusing, BTW. An early incarnation of KC (or GG&F perhaps) features Judy Dyble, a founder member of Fairport Convention. FC's drummer Ian Matthews (later of Matthews Southern Comfort) had changed his name from... Ian McDonald. Took me ages to work out which was which and who was who... --- >In addition to the discography of Belew's work and collaborations, there >is a CD EP called Pretty Pink Rose I have seen two different versions of the Pretty Pink Rose CD EP, featuring different track listings. I don't own either, all I can remember is that one had a pink cover, the other (I think) a white cover, like the album. James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 09:22:59 EDT From: jh at cadre dot com (Joe Hartley) Subject: The dangers of believing the Net Well, I'm out of luck, it seems. When the KC tour dates were posted through ET, I was damned excited to see that they were going to play Providence, RI on June 01. Tickets were on sale for the Boston show, but I didn't buy them, waiting for Providence to come on-line. Alas, now comes official news from Possible Productions that there is no Providence show. I sure hope that there's a couple left in Boston. Just remember; it ain't official until it's official. Saw a Japanese import of THRAK yesterday, but at $32.99, was out of my budget. It just isn't my week. ========================================================================== Joe Hartley - jh at cadre dot com - Cadre Technologies, Inc. Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - Frank Zappa Loostner's Castor Oil Flakes - The All-weather Breakfast! This Green Card line is here to cheese off Canter and Siegel. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Lars Marius Garshol Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 15:27:00 +0200 Subject: Re: Questions about old KC James MacKenzie Crawford wrote: > > I've always wondered, is the KC Ian MacDonald the same one who helped form > the band Foreigner? (ugh) Indeed he is. The KC family tree that came with the Frame by Frame box clearly shows that we're talking about the same man. (Ugh indeed.) --Lars M. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Organization: Brooklyn Psychogeographical Association Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 07:33:43 -0400 From: dmandl at panix dot com (David Mandl) Subject: Re: daryl hall "Sacred Songs." Pretty good record. I found a copy of the LP for just a few bucks. I interviewed RF on my radio show a few years ago, and at one point I whipped out the record. He seemed kind of pleased, and had me play something from it on the show. He mentioned the name for the strange guitar technique he used in the song, but I forget: "bifurcated-something-or-other." --Dave. -- Dave Mandl dmandl at panix dot com http://wfmu.org/~davem [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Organization: Brooklyn Psychogeographical Association Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 07:33:39 -0400 From: dmandl at panix dot com (David Mandl) Subject: Re: mellotron >Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:08:37 +0300 >From: j at vrooom dot pp dot fi (Jukka Kukkonen) >Subject: mellotron > >Surprised to hear Fripp play mellotron on THRAK. Last Crimson recording >with mellotron was USA 20 years ago. Can't resist digging dinosaur bones: I >think this might be the same instrument. Will he play it live? We'll >see. -jukka Ha! I did an interview with RF a few years ago, and at one point I brought up the mellotron. I forget his exact words (this was after I turned off the tape recorder), but he kind of brushed it off with something like "That's not an instrument I use any more." I knew he couldn't stay away forever... --Dave. -- Dave Mandl dmandl at panix dot com http://wfmu.org/~davem [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 06 Apr 95 07:04:48 PDT From: emud at brookscole dot com Subject: Bad Dates? A brief review of THRAK appeared in the May issue of Guitar Player. *King Crimson,THRAK,Virgin: After 14 years,Crimson's full-length return is more subdued than you might expect. After 14 years? What do they mean? Since when? By my count, this should be approx. 10 years.... ----------------------------------------------------------------- Larry Molmud Manager, Digital Design & Image Technology Brooks/Cole Publishing emud at brookscole dot com 511 Forest Lodge Road VOICE 408 373.0728 Pacific Grove, CA 93950 FAX 408 375.0120 ----------------------------------------------------------------- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:12:34 -0400 From: Olduvaigy at aol dot com Subject: Sacred Songs Sacred songs exists on CD (I have it). I bought it in Japan [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 09:43:23 -0500 From: Glenn Astarita Subject: Fripp solos Hi, In the last issue of ET; Excerpt from Henry Finke, discussing Fripp: "Even his recent work with David Sylvian is "guitar hero free"; nice compositions with no juice." Well, Henry I agree to some extent about the desire to hear RF crank it out ! I at times in the past was going thru Fripp-solo withdrawals !!! However, when "The First Day" and subsequently "Damage" were released, I got my fix. Honestly, I don't know how much more we could expect from RF than what he's done here. I mean, he's wailing on these recordings ! Especially Damage. In my opinion he brings it all back home ... Glenn [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 07:34 PDT From: twagahoff at eckert dot acadcomp dot monroecc dot edu (Tony Wagahoff) Subject: BB stories All the recent posts about BB brought to mind a couple of stories involving Mr. Bruford. The first occurred about 20 or so years ago. Some friends of mine were waiting outside the Fairgrounds in Lou. Ky during the load-in for a Yes show. They were young guitarists & were hoping to meet/see Steve Howe. Anyway, Alan White had recently replaced BB in Yes & the roadies were going on about how happy they were to have a 'real' rock drummer in the band instead of "someone who tippy-taps around on the cymbals like a Chinese fairy." The second occurred several years later at a local music store where BB was holding a drum clinic. During the Q & A portion, someone asked him about Jamie Muir. I dont remember the exact wording of his answer, but BB's response was on the lines of "I hated playing w/ him because you never knew what he was going to do or if he even knew where the beat was." In any case, I'm (somewhat) patiently waiting for May 26, so I can see Bill & the rest live for the *first* time! --tw [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 6 Apr 95 12:37:00 EST From: "E4152018" Subject: RE: Elephant-talk digest v95 #178 Hello, all. Some questions and comments: Someone mentioned in the issue before this that Virgin would be releasing a CD5 of "Dinosaur"; any idea on a timeframe, and whether it'll be available here in the states? Re: "Sacred Songs": RF produced this in '77, and it sat in the vaults at RCA 'til '79 cos it wasn't "commercial enough". I remember my mother playing this to death (I was 7 at the time) and being blown away by the musicianship of a certain guitarist... :) "Urban Landscape" is here as on "Exposure", but the "Exposure" track "I may not have had enough of me but I've had enough of you" appears here as "NYCNY"; Hall's vocals are stronger here, the middle section is slightly different, and I like the lyrics better. Sadly, I've yet to find either that, or "X-Static" (Hall and Oates' best, IMHO) on disc. Finally, as regards Dean DeLeo and STP: Both of the DeLeos are avid prog and Jazz fans, and Dean's cited Fripp, Belew, and Allan Holdsworth (among others) as influences, and has expressed a desire to play/record with Pat Metheny... Enough outta me (for now) Best, Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------- | Paul Bogan | "This is the crucial difference | | | between fiction and real life: | | e4152018 at apollo dot montclair dot edu | fiction must be plausible; | | | real life has no such con- | | (English) | straint." (Kevin Kelly) | ------------------------------------------------------------------- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 09:41:07 -0700 From: richie at nova dot net dot com (Richard Schiavi) Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #178 As a Stick player and avid Levin fan and I truly believe he *is* a master of the instrument. My foundation for this is that a true master is not one that shows grand, rapid, or complex movements necessarily, but one whose sublties (sp?) show with simplicity a very complex movement (I've studied alot of Martial Arts, so I compare this to the work of say an Aikido or Kung Fu master, very fluid, direct, and conservatino of movement (mastery!) to something like Karate or TKD which is very (no flames please!) *showy* and busy) It is almost this complete 180 from Fripp's style of playing (not the Frippertronic stuff, but like the intro blinding riff of Frame by Frame contrasted with that master Stick line Tony lays down) that make those two sound so wonderful together. . . . . .two true masters. . but what do I know :-) Just my .02, Rich [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Dave Lane/SPC Date: 6 Apr 95 13:49:47 EDT Subject: lolladiversity ldandrew at eos dot ncsu dot edu wrote: > [...] KC at lolla would be fantastic. I went the first three >years, it *is* a hell of a show for the money. To a typical elitist type, >nothing is ever good enough unless it is "pure". Go hang out with the >deadheads and republicans if you can't cope with a bit of diversity. Isn't >that one of the primary concepts we see in RF, AB, KC etc... I'm listening >to Tool now as I type this. I was listening to Lyle Mays this morning when >I got up. Seems only natural to me to enjoy diferent sounds. Cope, Y'all. >Lolla is about diversity. Enjoy it in moderation. (oops, that's a booze >advert) :> Though I completely agree with your views on different sounds, it would seem to me that KC would neither be well received at one of these things (witness the usual "alternative" mentality portrayed in alt.music.alternative postings and even in alt.music.progressive) nor would they be likely to end up playing at one. They aren't Alternatively Correct... As for the bit about "diversity"; I'd expect more tolerance for eclectic musics from within both the KC-fan and deadhead camps than from the NINcompoops in the Lollapalooza crowd. How many Trentheads do you think would be able to sit through a Lyle Mays set? Howzabout somebody puts on a tour with a bunch of artists that are _really_ diverse, and not just this year's collection of the trendy Xer bands with the most "attaboys" from the Rock Journalism Industry? --- Dave Lane dalane at bbn dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:29:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Sunil Sreedharan Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v95 #178 This is in response to Henry Finke's exposition on KC through the ages. As another long-time KC fan, I want to throw in my whole-hearted support behind his views before flames from the AB fan-club hits the net. The brilliance of KC in the 70's was is a large measure due to RF's searing work on the guitar, which is largely absent in the 80's and 90's version. While AB is a competent guitarist, he lacks the sheer sonic twisted attack the the RF of old was capable of doing. Check out that incredible burst of fury RF produced on "Baby's on fire" - from Brian Eno's "Here come the warm jets". Again, as Henry mentioned, I don't have anything personal against AB, he appears to be another in the line of Boz and Wetton who filled the lineup suitably, and he can create interesting sounds with his guitar. However, I wish RF would unwind his tightly- controlled, behind-the-scene playing and take the front again. I would love to see an expanded KC containing RF, with a killer saxophonist like David Jackson or Mel Collins, perhaps David Cross on violin, Bruford (ofcourse) on batterie, Cris Squire on bass, and Peter Hammill reprising his mid-VdGG vocals. I don't necessarily wish to have a repeat of the "Red" era KC, but I believe that having these supremely talented and innovative musicians together would provide an updated 90's trailblazer in "progressive rock". I can dream, can't I. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 6 Apr 1995 15:08:44 -0500 From: Nell Zink Subject: Animal Review's Fripp Editi Animal Review's Fripp Edition Animal Review, Fanzine of Herbivorous Youth (you don't have to be herbivorous or young to read it, but I really think baby lambs are the cutest!) will publish its 9th issue, dedicated to Robert Fripp, on April 15. Fripp did not come through with a promised review of his pet bunny rabbit, so instead I am publishing his Letter to the Editor, in which he buys into the AR aesthetic so far as to refer to sheep as "mature lambs." In other features, Michael Gerald of Killdozer confesses his hatred of Fripp ("I've got it out for that weasel") and Today is the Day's Steve Austin, a huge Crimson fan, tells a really profound story about his first dog. Also: Extinct birds, incl. the Stephen's Island Wren, most adorable and tragic animal ever. Send $2 to Nell Zink, 4111 Ludlow Street, Philadelphia PA 19104. ($4 overseas) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 19:32:43 GMT From: orno at mmedia dot is (Orn Orrason) Subject: KC availablity in Iceland & Earthbound Dear ET readers After reading the story of KC availability in Budapest I would like to tell about my experience in Reykjavik, Iceland. Generally KC albums are not in the stores, you might find one or two but the whole catalogue is gnereally not there. Today I passed by a small shop, just nearby my job. I asked the owner if he had the new KC album not expecting anything, "Well he said its due on Monday". I could not believe my ears. I asked him if he had anything else Fripp related. It appeared that he was a Fripp collector and had many specialities behind the desk. One thing was "the day before" which are pre-rehersals to the Fripp Sylvian album and supposed to be quite a stuff. He had Trey Gunn, he had Soundscapes (which he quite disliked) and he was expecting some CD's like "Earthbound with bonus tracks" and "USA with bonus tracks". To you Earthbound seekers, here is the answer to your needs. By the way I could not resist buying Damage in gold edition with booklet for the equivalent of USD 34.- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: ceco at mail dot utexas dot edu Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 15:14:28 -0500 Subject: Fripp as Bowie's sideman and as a distant progenitor of grungie stuff... Thought I'd de-lurk and comment on a couple of recent threads that have been running through ET. BTW, please excuse me if this gets too verbose... Fripp's work on Bowie's Heroes and Scary Monsters has been mentioned lately and I just thought I'd ask a question that I've always wondered about and that fits into that thread. What exactly is Fripp's part on the song Heroes? Is it the keening, wailing tone that rises and falls in the background throughout the song? That's what I always thought it was but it occurred to me that that could also be some synth treatment that Brian Eno came up with. Can anyone answer this? It's really just a matter of curiosity as I've always thought that that was one of the most beautiful tones I've ever heard in pop music, very melancholy and evocative, even faintly stirring. As for his work on the Scary Monsters album, the guitar solo in Scary Monsters (the song) is one of the most blistering, maniacal ones I've ever heard and it's probably one of RF's high points as a guitar-hero. Not the most complicated or subtle or intelligent piece of work he's done but SO raw. Also, various people have commented that they thought that a lot of 'grunge' bands such as STP, Alice in Chains and Screaming Trees borrow a lot of their sound from the LTiA-Red era KC. I would dispute this by saying that I personally think they sound like they got more of their sound from Black Sabbath, BOC and other more AOR-sounding bands. I would, however, suggest that those same people who made that observation check out Helmet if they are not already familiar with them.. The three Helmet albums that I have heard sound like endless theme-and-variation on One More Red Nightmare. Meaty and muscular sounding with interesting time signatures that seem based on setting up a rythmic pattern and then breaking it. The drummer even plays a bit like BB. The guitars and bass seem to occupy the lower frequency ranges while the drummer drums on snares and higher pitched drums, filling up the higher ranges (forgive my lack of any real knowledge of musical terms and vernacular in that discription...) IMHO, though, they can be a little monotonous... In addition, to mention a more immediate progenitor of grunge, I would recommend Bob Mould's two solo albums that he put out between his term in Husker Du and his current band, Sugar. His first, Workbook, is mostly acoustic, delicate and haunting, with a few scorching solos thrown in, too. His songwriting is excellent, his hooks are good (hooks being something that KC never really had, although that certainly doesn't detract from their work...) and his singing/playing are quite impassioned. Black Sheets of Rain, the 2nd of his solo albums, is more plugged in and very aggresive, blistering solos over jagged power chords. I recommend both highly. Yes, I know his playing is really nothing like Fripp's, but he's one of the most passionate guitar players I've heard and his technical skill is excellent, even if he does prefer the power chord to the picked note. It is for this reason that I mention him as being of possible interest to KC fans, not because of any direct resemblance in playing or style, but because he's a damn good guitar player and songwriter. Apologies to any annoyed by the length of this submission. I don't post often and tend to get wordy when I do... Charles Corley ceco at mail dot utexas dot edu "Drink up, dreamers, you're running dry..." -Peter Gabriel [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Nadav Noah Caine Subject: Bruford, keeping time, and the Michael Jackson mailing list Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 13:46:47 -0700 (PDT) I would to quote two comments in the last Elephant Talk: >From: Francois Cartier >Subject: The Bruford question from a drummer's point of view/ Quebec >When drummers today do something different, they are accused of "not >keeping the time". Come on. If you can't take innovation, subscribe to the >Michael Jackson mailing list. OK? Bill Bruford writes that he likes working with Pat since it's... >"liberating because having a human metronome in the band >can allow you to fly to areas which hitherto would have left your fellow >instrumentalists with their foot in the air." Excuse us non-drummers for seeing the importance of the percussionist in an ensemble with such difficult time-signatures at KC to be keeping time so that his cohorts do not end up "with their foot in the air". I'm happy Bill Bruford supports us in this, so that we may continue to subscribe to ET. - Nadav Caine [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Weissenburger - Jeremy S." Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:51:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Ian MacDonald + other things >I've always wondered, is the KC Ian MacDonald the same one who helped form >the band Foreigner? (ugh) I'm sure this will be answered, but I'll say it anyway. Yes, Ian MacDonald is the same man who helped form Foreigner. (Ugh? Hey, I LIKED their first couple of albums)... MacDonald also worked with Michael Giles on an album called (originally enough) MacDonald & Giles. >From: James MacKenzie Crawford >Subject: Re: Adrian Belew Discography > >In addition to the discography of Belew's work and collaborations, there is >a CD EP called Pretty Pink Rose, released at the same time (or there >abouts) as Young Lions, with the songs Pretty Pink Rose (with Bowie), Oh >Daddy (a song from Mr. Music Head), and two shortish bonus tracks, the >names of which escape me right now (don't have it with me). The songs were: Pretty Pink Rose - Shoe Salesman - Neptune Pool - Oh Daddy. In the last issue of ET: >But when the first reviews of the Argentina shows appeared, I couldn't >believe that the set lists were just like the eighties tours but with a >few VROOOM numbers thrown in (if I hear just *one* more live version of >"Heartbeat" I will.. do something drastic! :). People who were there even >said that the actual performances were very similar to the arrangements >used in the eighties. The only suprise seemed to be "Talking Drum." I'm not too surprised that there are a lot of 80s songs. You've got the four members from the 80s with some newer members. You have to wonder what would have happened if Fripp had gotten together the 70s band (Wetton, Cross & Bruford) in the 80s. Would they have sounded exactly the same? Also, the band hadn't prepped much for rehearsals. They were going to have to fall back on what they did before. I agree we should approach the shows with caution, but you can't expect not to hear some similarities to their 80s sound. --Jeremy [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 08:11:19 GMT From: mike at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk (Mike Dickson) Subject: Questions About Old KC Quoting James MacKenzie Crawford ... > I've always wondered, is the KC Ian MacDonald the same one who helped > form the band Foreigner? (ugh) Unfortunately it was. -- Mike Dickson [Team OS/2], Black Cat Software Factory, Musselburgh, Scotland mike at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk - Fax 0131-653-6124 - Columnated Ruins Domino [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 08:12:19 GMT From: mike at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk (Mike Dickson) Subject: Disappointment With New Crimson Quoting HENRY FINKE <76751 dot 1006 at compuserve dot com>... > What really convinced us all that Fripp was a guitar god was the 72-74 > version of the band. Fripp was all the way out front, producing leads > and sounds unlike anyone else. You seem to be overlooking Wetton and Bruford who was playing rhythms/bass like most people hadn't even imagined before. The LTIA KC was far more than just a frame around which Fripp noodled away. > The 80-83 KC, and now the most recent incarnation is undoubtedly > musically the best in terms of raw talent, but the worst in terms of > showcasing RF. Yes, but since when was KC solely a showcase for Fripp? Good grief, if that's all it was then it would sound far more like the League of Gentlemen or some other washed out nonsense that Fripp wasted his time with. I'd venture to say that the days of the 'guitar god' playing fourteen minute solos are well behind us and the days of using it as an integrated part of an overall sound is with us. Fred Frith was playing the guitar like this twenty years ago and it never did him any harm. FWIW, although I likew nothing the 80'ss KC produced, I was pleasantly surprised with 'Thrak', or at least I am so far. Far from just the lead playing 'evil sounds' the whole band seem to be doing it. -- Mike Dickson [Team OS/2], Black Cat Software Factory, Musselburgh, Scotland mike at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk - Fax 0131-653-6124 - Columnated Ruins Domino [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 08:26:36 GMT From: mike at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk (Mike Dickson) Subject: Mellotron Quoting j at vrooom dot pp dot fi (Jukka Kukkonen)... > Surprised to hear Fripp play mellotron on THRAK. Last Crimson > recording with mellotron was USA 20 years ago. Can't resist digging > dinosaur bones: I think this might be the same instrument. If you look at the liner notes that come with 'Thrak' you'll see a reference to the Mellotron having been 'restored'. The string sounds bear the unmistakable 'restored' sound rather than the more familiar M500 string sounds which we more normally associate with KC. I presume that the sounds were rerecorded. Incidentally, this month's 'Q' magazine has a great article all about the Mellotron. I also fully recommend a CD entitled 'The Rime Of The Ancient Sampler' which is a sort of Melltron tribute CD, featuring contributions from Patrick Moraz, Blue Weaver, Nick Magnus, Woolly Wolstenholme, David Cross and others. It's on Voiceprint VP141CD. -- Mike Dickson [Team OS/2], Black Cat Software Factory, Musselburgh, Scotland mike at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk - Fax 0131-653-6124 - Columnated Ruins Domino [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 08:07:46 GMT From: Mike Dickson Subject: KC In Eastern Europe Quoting atoth at is1 dot ulb dot ac dot be... > The problem with our country is that KC seem to ignore that Europe > does not stop at the German border. It happens in other places as well, though. I live just outside Edinburgh and I fully expect just about everyone to play gigs in major venues in England and ignore us altogether. I know I could always travel down to London to see the show but I honestly feel that I don't want to encourage them in this behaviour. -- Mike Dickson [Team OS/2], Black Cat Software Factory, Musselburgh, Scotland mike at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk - Fax 0131-653-6124 - Columnated Ruins Domino [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 6 Apr 95 20:45:19 -0400 From: sarthur at lutece dot rutgers dot edu (Stephen Arthur) Subject: thrak in USA NOW!!!!!! i found a copy of THRAK in NJ (USA). it is the english limited edition (gold) and was selling for 22.99 it is available a Vintage Vinyl 1 (908) 225 7717. i passed, but here is your chance to be the first one in the USA to own this treasure good luck! also, i have 2 tickets for the Town Hall show. does anyone know how large, number of seats it has? [[ AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHH! :-) Please call the venue and ask them -- not ET!!! -- Toby ]]] my tickets are: orch row S seat 117 119 left ctr are these any good,please don't say any tickets are good, I bought them at 9:00am march 26 for 92.75 any other personal information? steve a [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 02:12:33 -0400 From: bradben at magicnet dot net (Bradford Benn) Subject: Double Trio in Buenos Aires Critics In response to "Double Trio reservations" I just wanted to point out that the Argentina tour was a warm up for going into the studio. This was a shake down tour, a work in progress if you will. Also anytime you go to a concert you have the opportunity to hear something new. Every time music is played live, it is new; if it played correctly. A prime example of this would be cover songs, don't they take on a life of their own... same music different interpretations. Speaking of cover songs, how about this one "21st Century Pissed Off Man"? Lyrics: "Crackheads, HIV, money grubbing charlatans on TV, dump our garbage in the sea. 21st Century Pissed Off Man Pension funds wave good-bye, too many fingers in the pie, hope to see Denny Rollings fry, 21st Century Pissed Off Man Oil spills, toxic foam, people exist without a home, schoolyards are a danger zone, 21st Century Pissed Off Man Deadbeats, welfare cases, everybody carries mace, Uncle Sam farts in my face, 21st Century Pissed Off Man" Sammy Demo, a parody/charity band in Orlando, FL USA, abbreviates the song 1wto four minutes. I first hear this on the radio and nearly fell off my chair, I then got the CD (all proceeds went to charity) and it is impressively accurate. Bradford Benn bradben at magicnet dot net www.magicnet.net/~bradben/ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 7 Apr 95 02:08:30 -0700 From: David A. Craig Subject: l.a. tickets on sale According to the wiltern's hotline, tickets for the first crimson show go on sale this sunday 4-9 at 10:00 am, with the on sale date for the second show tba. I haven't checked the on-sale day/time with la ticketbastards yet, however. A curiousity for enophiles: portishead do a cover of st. elmo's fire on the ep "scrapbook" check it out [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 07:58:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Stok Subject: Re: N(ET): a cool tool for Crimheads (Re: tours etc.) In Elephant Talk #176, Jukka Kukkonen wrote: > So I think ET should be used as a constructive vehicle. That means the > focus of the list should intentionally be moved from virtual whining to > real results: tours and events - a chance to experience serious (but not > solemn) live music. The following example shows this is possible - but > only if we, the virtual society of Crimheads, are willing to take the risk > of building the bridge between while crossing it. If Mr Moraz can do this > to Yes fans, imagine what Fripp could do with a bright bunch of brains like > us 8-) 8-) 8-) [Patrick Moraz "CHAT" infromation chopped] Just some quick "unofficial" impressions from the Patrick Moraz concert I hosted in Acton last week... I think that you need a willing artist and management, the contract for the event was less than 2 sides and didn't need a lawyer to interpret it. You also need enough people to put on events so that a tour can be made up of short (inexpensive) hops. The artist needs to be into it, this kind of tour seems to involve a pretty dense schedule and not too much profit. Patrick's tour travel requirements were kept small by having the venues provide everything except the artist - if you have guitars and effects racks to lug around you either end up renting a van or getting nailed for excess baggage on a flight. The really great thing is that you get an audience that's interested in what the artist plays and says, Patrick played from about 7:45 pm to 12:20 am with one intermission and lots of chat between pieces and lots of audience participation. Don't expect to make any money, do expect to do a load of work, do expect to have a load of fun! If I could do it all over again I would... but it does require a willing artist. Mike -- The "usual disclaimers" apply. | Meiko Mike Stok | 130C Baker Ave. Ext Mike dot Stok at meiko dot concord dot ma dot us | Concord, MA 01742 Meiko tel: (508) 371 0088 x124 | [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] The views expressed in Elephant Talk are those of the individual authors only. 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