From elephant-talk at arastar dot comThu Apr 6 07:10:10 1995 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 20:52:34 +0800 From: elephant-talk at arastar dot com Reply to: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: elephant-talk at anthor dot arastar dot com Subject: Elephant-talk digest v95 #178 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 178, Wednesday, 5 April 1995 Today's Topics: THRAK released in the UK Revised Crimson dates Questions for the ET FAQ Re: Fripp, Frith and Univers Zero daryl hall Re: FAQ maintainer KC in Eastern Europe Darshana Te Just the facts Yet another newbie post! Re: Soundscapes Tony in Bass Player Magazine Previous Comments ET and KC Re: Marotta and Breathless The Bruford question from a drummer's point of view/ Quebec Re: Questions about old KC _Kings_ & college radio Re: Adrian Belew Discography Double Trio reservations progfest Re: Bowie and Paloozer Bruford reports (fwd) missing concert(s)? The Best! Fripp ballet music? Re: League of their own... Elephant Talk Observation THRAK is out... FW: depression Belew paper available tickets euro tour...and various other topics various outdated info. stuff to sell:( Three Of A Perfect Pair Disappoinment with New Crimson Re: Master Levin Marotta on Breathless? mellotron Thrak ! THRAK promo KC to appear on Letterman Water? My little bro; Tony Levin & NEXUS Book of Saturday [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Please send all posts to toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk The ET archives: WWW: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/aig/staff/toby/elephant-talk.html FTP: The Americas: ftp.qualcomm.com, in /pub/et FTP: Rest of world: ftp.cs.man.ac.uk, in /pub/toby/elephant-talk EMAIL: Send "index elephant-talk" to listserv at arastar dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 16:35:03 BST From: Toby Howard Subject: THRAK released in the UK THRAK hit the UK stores this week, on Monday 3 April. The only edition I have so far seen is gold-plated, at 13.99. Toby [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 16:35:03 BST From: Toby Howard Subject: Revised Crimson dates Here are the latest Crimson dates, thanks to Mark Perry at Possible Productions. (Please address any queries about these dates direct to the venue concerned, and any complaints to the KC management, not ET). Thanks Toby King Crimson - European Tour - 1995 1 May Dornbirn Cultrehaus 2 May Milan Teatro Smeraldo 4 May Florence Teatro Tanda 6 May Zurich Volkshaas 7 May Dusseldorf Philipshalle 8 May Berlin Tempodrom 10 May Munich Philharmonie 11May Stuttgart Liederhalle 13 May Paris Zenith 14 May Brussels Cirque Royale 15 May Amsterdam Congresgebouw 17 May London Royal Albert Hall 18 May London Royal Albert Hall King Crimson - 1995 THRAK Tour (USA & CANADA) 26 Thur Buffalo, NY U. Of Buffalo, Perf. Arts Ctr. 27 Sat Toronto, Ontario Massey Hall 28 Sun Montreal, Quebec Theatre St. Denis 30 Tues Quebec City, Quebec Grand Theatre June 01 Thur Philadelphia, PA Tower Theater 02 Fri Boston, MA Orpheum 03 Sat New York, NY Town Hall 04 Sun New York, NY Town Hall 06 Tues Redbank, NJ Count Basie Theater 07 Wed Washington, D.C. Warner Theater 08 Thur Cleveland, OH Nautica Theater 09 Fri Cincinnati, OH Taft Theater 10 Sat Ann Arbor(Detroit), MI Michigan Theater 12 Mon Kalamazoo, MI State Theater 14 Wed Chicago, IL Bismarck Theater 15 Thur Milwaukee, WI Riverside Theater 16 Fri Minneapolis, MN State Theater 18 Sun Denver Ogden Theater 20 Tues Portland, OR Roseland Theater 21 Wed Vancouver, BC Vogue Theatre 22 Thur Seattle, WA Paramount 24 Sat San Francisco, CA Warfield Theater 25 Sun San Francisco, CA Warfield Theater 26 Mon San Francisco, CA Warfield Theater 27 Tue 28 Wed San Diego, CA Symphony Hall 29 Thur Los Angeles, CA Wiltern Theater 30 Fri Los Angeles, CA Wiltern Theater [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Craig Dickson Subject: Questions for the ET FAQ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 05:14:13 -0700 (PDT) The ET FAQ is currently being reworked/enhanced/etc. I'm planning to take some time to scan over recent issues to see what questions really are being frequently asked, but I would also appreciate suggestions from the readership for additional questions/information to be included. Rather than clutter up ET with a lot of discussion of this, I would appreciate it if those of you with ideas about this would send me e-mail on the subject. Please include the answer to any question you suggest including, just in case I don't know it myself... It is quite possible that I will get a lot of mail in response to this posting, so I may not have time reply to all of it directly, though it will all be read and considered. The general domain of the FAQ is anything to do with Fripp, Crimson, or ET itself. Craig cd at crl dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 19:08:52 EST From: msmith at crt dot doj dot gov Subject: Re: Fripp, Frith and Univers Zero Regarding Andras' message from the last digest: Fripp and Frith also both appeared on Eno's _Music for Films_ (1978). Fripp played on one track and Frith on two tracks, none the same, and the album was recorded in bits over a three year period--so it's unlikely Fripp and Frith came into contact. Univers Zero are indeed easily available in the States (in good music stores, anyway). Their whole catalogue has been released on CD by the U.S. label Cuneiform, of Silver Spring, Maryland. They have five albums: 1313 (1978), Heresie (1979), Ceux du Dehors (1981), Uzed (1984), and Heatwave (1986). Ceux is my favorite. Dark, brooding music, similar in feel to Larks-Red era Crimson. A wide variety of instruments are used, such as oboe, bassoon, viola, violin, cello, harmonium (as well as more conventional rock instruments). The sound falls more into the realm of gothic/chamber/neo-classical than rock, though there are rock elements. Can't really go wrong with any of their last three albums, the first two may take some work to warm upto (especially Heresie--VERY DARK). Band leader and drummer, Daniel Denis, has released two solo albums, similar to U.Z. but with more electronics. They are: Sirius and the Ghosts (1991) and Les Eaux Troubles (1993). Both of these are also on the Cuneiform label. An off-shoot band is Present, led by guitarist Roger Trigaux. Their first two albums were released on one disc by Cuneiform. I have seen reports that Univers Zero has reformed with Denis, keyboard player Andy Kirk and three others. Anyone into Larks-Red Crimson, or just good progressive music in general, should certainly check out this excellennt band. Matte Kudasai, --Mike msmith at crt dot doj dot gov washington, dc [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 20:12:17 -0500 From: Diaphanus at aol dot com Subject: daryl hall I want to spark some conversation regarding the Robert Fripp produced Daryl Hall album that came out in the late seventies. It was part of a trilogy featuring Fripp's 'Exposure' and Peter Gabriel's second (or first?) album. I found the cassette in the bargain bin a few years back. I remember it being fairly decent (Fripp plays on it, too) -does anyone have any information regarding a CD copy of this? Or even vinyl?? Nick [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri Mar 31 13:31:12 1995 From: atoth at is1 dot ulb dot ac dot be Subject: KC in Eastern Europe (Re: kc promo from Tamas Vilagi in ET 174) Being a Hungarian in spite of my Belgian address, I feel that I have to clarify a bit the situtation we have on the progressive rock scene in Eastern Europe, more precisely in Budapest. There *are* a lot of KC-fans in Hungary, we even have a group called "After Crying" who are inspired by the early seventies KC, and sometimes play songs from "In the Court of the Crimson King" and "Islands". There exist some specialized shops in Budapest where you can get virtually anything you want (even a great number of bootlegs). Those eventually interested in addresses should write to me. The problem with our country is that KC seem to ignore that Europe does not stop at the German border. Other groups like Jethro Tull, ELP, Talking Heads have all been to Budapest, there are at least two or three great gigs per year. The fact that you do not see many Eastern European Crimheads in the ET subscriber list can be attributed to the relatively underdeveloped Internet network in our area. By this I also mean that people do not know of the exisiting facilities, a lot of students at my university in Budapest just stare at me when I tell them they have a right to access Internet. To help this situation, I will soon try to publish the ET e-mail address in some Hungarian newspapers and newsgroups. Andras [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Lars Marius Garshol Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 13:38:30 +0200 Subject: Darshana Last Christmas I got the Sylvian & Fripp CD-single 'Darshan', which contains 3 tracks (and BTW is ~45 minutes long!), 2 versions of Darshan, and one new song: Darshana. According to the leaflet, Darshana was written by Sylvian, Fripp, Gunn (I think also Bottrill) and Cobain. Would this by any chance happen to be the late Kurt Cobain? If so, could anyone provide some more info on this? (Any sort of info at all, really). --Lars M. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 14:07 BST-1 From: psmarta at cix dot compulink dot co dot uk (Peter Smart) Subject: Te There seem to be a number of people de-lurking on this mailing list so I thought now would be an appropriate to go with the flow. Just to put things in perspective I have been a KC fan from the early days. LTIA was one of my first purchases and is still one of the best (if not the best) albums of all time ... IMHO of course! The main reason for writing is my recent purchase of Trey Gunn's 1000 years. I had assumed that, despite all the praise on this list, it was being purchased by KC totalists who buy everything related to Fripp irrespective of content (all of it being very good to excellent of course .. phew! :-). Having bought VROOOM and loving it more with each listen and deciding I couldn't wait for Thrak I bought 1000 years and I'm still dumb struck. It isn't often that I buy an unheard album and usually when I do I tend to be disappointed. But this is brilliant - particularly Track 5 - I'm sure most of you here will also enjoy it immensely. Here's looking forward to Thrak and hopefully I can get tickets for the second KC concert at the RAH if it goes ahead. Pete. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 31 Mar 1995 09:45:25 -0500 From: "Jonathan Block" Subject: Just the facts I'm not going to join the Bruford vs. Marotta debate, but some postings to ET 176 mistake the the drummer on "Breathless" (on Exposure). It is actually Narada Michael Walden. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Subject: Yet another newbie post! Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 10:07:26 EST From: ldandrew at eos dot ncsu dot edu Hi All, First off let me say how fantastic it is to be able to get this much info and discussion all condensed into such a nice tight package. Kudos to Toby, et al. Nice work guys, keep it up!!! Second, KC at lolla would be fantastic. I went the first three years, it *is* a hell of a show for the money. To a typical elitist type, nothing is ever good enough unless it is "pure". Go hang out with the deadheads and republicans if you can't cope with a bit of diversity. Isn't that one of the primary concepts we see in RF, AB, KC etc... I'm listening to Tool now as I type this. I was listening to Lyle Mays this morning when I got up. Seems only natural to me to enjoy diferent sounds. Cope, Y'all. Lolla is about diversity. Enjoy it in moderation. (oops, that's a booze advert) :> Another Red Nightmare is IMHO the most prophetic pregrunge song I've ever heard. Many of my friends who I've turned onto this agree, although many are rapidly tiring of the genre as it is by nature, stagnant. Perhaps somebody could compare this song to say early Tad or even Screaming Trees. And about this silly thread about who's the better musician, who cares! All the musicians who've been in KC or whatever are highly TALENTED. If you can't appreciate their playing, fine. Whining and sniveling gets tiring to listen to however. Somehow I think RF would agree. Let them express their musical vision as they see fit! I don't particularly like various KC songs (GASP!) but I enjoy most immensely so... Anyway, I got turned on to KC during the Discipline tour. They played at the college in Boulder, CO and were videotaped for a local Pub TV station. As this was about the time of the birth of the music video, the same station had conceived of a show called "FM-TV" whose intro sequence featured KC's Elephant Talk LIVE begun by TL's dazzling stick intro riff. Needless to say that I was hooked right there. I am hoping that I can get tickets for Wash. DC or even some west coast shows so I can follow through on a seemingly elusive quest for live KC. If anyone needs to unload some, I'm here!!! Thanks to all for the bandwidth. I realize this got a bit wordy, but I am *so* excited about this group! Seeya, Larry "Thank you, Drive thru" - Beavis [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Subject: Re: Soundscapes Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 11:09:24 EST From: John Saylor [x] >From: artc at tiac dot net (Art Cohen) >- Is there any significant difference between Soundscapes and >Frippertronics (other than digital delay)? That depends on what you mean by "Frippertronics". As I understand it, Soundscapes are Frippertronics. Perhaps some astute ET reader can point out the relevant quote by the Fripp [I think he defines it as the interplay between himself, a guitar, and the looping mechanism (unspecified)]. >- Is the album better than, say, "Let the Power Fall"? I think so. The soundscapes are more harmonically elaborate than the other Frippertronics. My guess is that the digital delay enables the Fripp to do more elaborate manipulations of the source material [guitar] than was possible with the tape decks. In fact, I am still trying to figure out how he put all of it together, especially in the title cut 1999 [from Argentina Soundscapes]. There seems to be a counterpoint of sorts going on, which is a much different musical process than the modal unfolding which happens in much of the other Frippertronics. Also noteworthy are the sound-color changes that are incorporated into the Soundscapes. >- Is it as good as, say, "No Pussyfooting"? Well, in my view, the early Frippertronics had a certain intoxication with the process that gave the music an edge that is missing here. And the Fripp [himself] played some awesome solos over the background he created [musical masturbation? you make the call ... (a JOKE)]. During the course of his maturation as an artist, his focus has shifted. There aren't any blazing solos here, just aural worlds. So if you want to give it some time, and are willing to let it come to you instead of knocking you over the head, I would say there's a lot of good music for thought here. I am not dissapointed. -- jsaylor [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 10:22:59 -0600 From: Jeffrey_T_Schiissler at engr dot USask dot Ca (Jeffrey T Schiissler) Subject: Tony in Bass Player Magazine Tony Levin will be featured in the next issue of Bass Player Magazine coming out in a month or two. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 31 Mar 95 11:08:24 EST From: "Neil J. Cavanagh" <76111 dot 3636 at compuserve dot com> Subject: Previous Comments In ET#176 Dolph Chaney wrote: >>>>Oh, and to those who've been down on Marotta: check out EXPOSURE, especially "Breathless". This is *not* a weak drummer! <<<<<<<<<<<<< While not wanting to comment on the Bruford/Marotta debate, I'd like to add that it seems to be Narada Michael Walden playing on 'Breathless,' not Marotta. Anyone who is familiar with Walden's work in the Mahavishnu Orchestra would probably agree. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 11:16:30 CST From: "DANIEL A. KIRKDORFFER" Subject: ET and KC Hello to all! I recently received a copy of the on-line questions to Robert Fripp from my brother David in Boston, and have spent some time reading through old archived discipline newsletters, and some recent et newsletters (I still have a ways to go!), and thought I'd finally send in my first posting. My brother and I have been KC and Fripp fans since the 70's (gosh, am I that old?!), and I remember how excited we were when KC vers80's formed and we first listened to Discipline. Tops for me was when we were actually able to "see" KC live on their Beat tour. I mean this was a band that we'd gotten to know only after KC vers70's had split up actually playing live in front of us. And it wasn't just any concert, it was the Arenes de Frejus (a Roman amphitheater), France concert that has since spurned the KC video, Essential box set live track (CD4), and Roxy Music live CD! Yes, we were there! We finally got to see who actually played what guitar parts (and how!), Levin's great contortionist moves, and Bruford's ever childlike enthusiasm. Then there was the second break up and a KC void until RF started putting out yearly offerings I'd buy as Christmas presents for myself and my brother. During that time I did get to see RF and the Crafty Guitarists at the Park West in Chicago, where I now live, and again it was a great experience. And now, here we go again! I have tickets to the June 14th concert at the Bismarck Theater in Chicago, a small venue that is sure to be one hell of a place to see the new KC. I can't wait! Meanwhile, I have found a lot of what I've read in D and ET both amusing and interesting. I am charmed by the postings of relatively new KC fans, and encourage all of you to really "listen" to all incarnations of KC. I find polls of people's favorite KC recordings funny - these recordings are not competing against each other, they are ALL tremendous to listen to for different reasons. On the topic of bootlegging, I think that we should all be a bit more respectful of the artists wishes and act accordingly. If the Grateful Dead don't mind it then that's fine for the Grateful Dead. However I think what Mr. Fripp is trying to do is share with us, the audience, music he and KC are able to bring to us, and if he feels violated by bootleggers, or bothered by noisy audiences during performances, we should all be concerned because the result is a tarnished communication or performance. I think people just don't understand that the artist and performer can be so sensitive to these things simply because their life and being are invariably melded to and dependent of their art. The recent box sets, and promised future "from the archives" recordings, show that Fripp truly understands our engrossing desire for KC recordings, and allow him to present the material in a manner that he believes does the music justice, and recompenses the performers accordingly. We, as fans and followers, should respect that, and enjoy. I don't listen to this music because it is commercially popular, although I recognize that it would be great if a larger audience could be introduced to it (and this newsletter is proof that the audience is large and varied), and from what I've read I am sure Fripp and Co. are always seeking to make the music heard by as many people as possible, in the best of circumstances. :) Well enough pontificating, I look forward to reading future (and more of the old) newsletters. It is truly fascinating and heartwarming to know that there are so many people who have actually even heard of the Crimson King! Daniel Kirkdorffer e#kirkd at ccmail dot ceco dot com - ...a m(f)an with an open heart... - [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:22:51 -0800 From: arnold at lumina dot com (Brian Arnold) Subject: Re: Marotta and Breathless A common misconception permeated the last issue of Elephant Talk. Marotta did NOT play drums on Breathless. Narada Michael Walden did. An EG Records promotional EP of Exposure lists Narada as the drummer on Breathless. Jerry is a fantastic drummer who has demonstrated ample ability in the past on Peter Gabriel's recordings, and who has shown a wide range of percussive abilities on recent recordings with Suzanne Vega, Sarah MacLachlan, and Indigo Girls. But, ah, let's get history right. - Brian ----------------------------------------------------------- Brian Arnold arnold at lumina dot com Director of Software Development Lumina Decision Systems, Inc. http://www.lumina.com/lumina/ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 31 Mar 95 12:22:02 EST From: Francois Cartier Subject: The Bruford question from a drummer's point of view/ Quebec Dearest ET, First of all, I'd like to say that the Bruford debate is futile. Someone cannot criticise a single member of a band because the band would not be what it is if it wasn't composed of the same players. That being said, i'd like to bring up this point: KC has been known for their innovation, for pushing the limits of the musical world further. Every other player in the band is playing "weird" things... why could'nt Mr. Bruford do his share of innovation? People often think that drummers should play square riffs because they could break the harmony, the"interaction"in the band as some pointed out. I must say that I disagree because, in Mr. Bruford's case, the interaction is very present; for example, the break in LTIA pt.III is a place where the drum is very VERY loose... but still, it's very consequent, very logical with the rest of the music. Alot of things have been done on the drums. Still, we hear the same old '70ies patterns over and over again (you know, the too-too-pah-tsi-pah-too-pah-too-pah riff that the grunge scene likes so much). When drummers today do something different, they are accused of "not keeping the time". Come on. If you can't take innovation, subscribe to the Michael Jackson mailing list. OK? I personnaly encourage Mr. Bruford to go as much "out there" as he wants cause that's what makes him one of the rare drummers that really has a style nowadays . Stay on the edge (KC is a good band to be there)! Regarding the Quebec concert, I have my own front row tickets which I bought friday, March 31 at 10h00 a.m., when they went on sale. They cost 42.75$. I think there are some tickets left. Some of them are sold for 36$. later! fcartier at vm1 dot si dot usherb dot ca p.s.: if mr. Bruford is reading this; I want your sticks! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 13:39:45 -0500 From: James MacKenzie Crawford Subject: Re: Questions about old KC > 3. And another question, maybe somewhat related to the previous one: Ian > McDonald had grate influance on the unique style of _court_ and still > affected _wake_ (He is credited on cat food, and undoubtly the title track > was made in a simmiliar style to _court_ title track, although he is not > credited for _wake_). Does anyone have any information about him? what did > he did after leaving KC? I've always wondered, is the KC Ian MacDonald the same one who helped form the band Foreigner? (ugh) Cheerful insanity, James M. Crawford (416)667-7744 University of Toronto Institute for Aerospace Studies (416)667-7799 fax jmc at wolverine dot utias dot utoronto dot ca ______________ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 15:22:28 -0400 (EDT) From: CHOSSMAN at DAVIDSON dot EDU Subject: _Kings_ & college radio The pair of Sylvian & Fripp "live imports" _Kings_ and _Kings Second Chapter_ have left me completely bewildered. When and where were they recorded? I suspect they both must have been in Genova Italy, but in 1992 and 93 respectively. The first has only Sylvian, Fripp, and Gunn performing, with a cameo by the RFSQ. So, I can only assume that S, F, and G toured together *prior* to the recording of _The First Day_, and during the RFSQ tour?. I did not know this before I bought the cd and was shocked to hear "Firepower" without drums. The liner notes on both are totally bungled, and there are a few songs on _Kings_ that I am not familiar with. Can anyone e-mail me with the correst dates & locations, as well as the track listing for _Kings_? Thanks. I pray I am not violating protocol on this list, but my college (Davidson College in North Carolina) is attempting to resurrect our independent, student- run radio station. I am planning to contact Possible Productions (in addition to Peter Gabriel's Real World) in order to obtain music. But what I want to ask here is if there is anybody on this list who is involved with college or other small-scale radio. If so, *please* e-mail me privately, because we are looking for information to include in our proposal to the college. Thanks again. Chad Ossman CHOSSMAN at davidson dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 13:31:02 -0500 From: James MacKenzie Crawford Subject: Re: Adrian Belew Discography Hi Folks, In addition to the discography of Belew's work and collaborations, there is a CD EP called Pretty Pink Rose, released at the same time (or there abouts) as Young Lions, with the songs Pretty Pink Rose (with Bowie), Oh Daddy (a song from Mr. Music Head), and two shortish bonus tracks, the names of which escape me right now (don't have it with me). Also, isn't Belew on the Zappa CD Babysnakes? Chow, James M. Crawford (416)667-7744 University of Toronto Institute for Aerospace Studies (416)667-7799 fax jmc at wolverine dot utias dot utoronto dot ca ______________ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:33:04 -0400 (EDT) From: CHOSSMAN at DAVIDSON dot EDU Subject: Double Trio reservations Some healthy (I hope) cynicism: Am I the only one here slightly reserved about the "double trio" concept of the new King Crimson? At first I was extremely excited about it. The interplay of the four members of the eighties KC was brilliant, and I was expecting Big Things from six. I thought a new performance concept and an expanded instrumentation would lead to a radically new KC. But when the first reviews of the Argentina shows appeared, I couldn't believe that the set lists were just like the eighties tours but with a few VROOOM numbers thrown in (if I hear just *one* more live version of "Heartbeat" I will .. do something drastic! :). People who were there even said that the actual performances were very similar to the arrangements used in the eighties. The only suprise seemed to be "Talking Drum." I fell for Yes's _Union_ (i.e. "marketing ploy") tour in 1991. I had tremendous expectations, hoping to see eight members of the group interact in new ways and to hear some real innovation of the old songs, but the performances were note-for-note from the albums. To make it worse, the group repeatedly split up into smaller configurations to conform to the standard lineups to perform the old tunes. The mixing of "VROOOM VROOOM" on _Thrak_ sounds very interesting, sort of along the lines of what I was hoping would happen. But I'll be *very* upset if the two trios take turns in rehashing the old stuff. The RFSQ was amazing and flexible. Sylvian & Fripp was a brilliant exploration in atmosphere and rock. I pray King Crimson doesn't get stuck in its rut, whick many (Fripp included) criticized of _Three of a Perfect Pair_. Live, they have enough material to alter the set lists and continuously suprise people, and enough talent & imagination to deconstruct the old songs and to improvise worthwhile new music on the spot. On _Thrak_ and _VROOOM_, Fripp didn't want to record anything anybody had played before. Well, when I sell my soul to The Devil (i.e. Ticketmaster) to experience King Crimson live, I don't want to hear anything I've heard before. Chad Ossman CHOSSMAN at davidson dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 18:21:18 -0500 (EST) From: JROBINSON at zodiac dot rutgers dot edu Subject: progfest John mentioned in the last issue the fantasy progfest. KC, Rush etc with ELO and Kansas getting back together. Well just in case it does happen, Kansas has been together and touring crazily since 91 and a NEW album is coming on 6-6-95 !!!! So let us hope it happens. Fates Warning and Kings X as support or second stage bands... The imagination just runs wild....that would be the best. Anyone who has tix for Count Basie show on 6-6-95 (What a great day it is going to be for me new Kansas and KC live) you are in for a treat, it is a great place to hear and see a show. Peace, Jim R [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 18:27:00 -0500 From: davidmw at utxsvs dot cc dot utexas dot edu (david whittaker) Subject: Re: Bowie and Paloozer >From: MCNICHOT at cgs dot edu >Anyway, I think Fripp is the best side-man Bowie >ever got his hands on. I saw Bowie with Stevie Ray Vaughn as his guitar >player and thought it was innapropriate and boring. I wish it had been >Robert. Are you sure you saw Bowie with Vaughn? I know Vaughn was supposed to open shows on the Serious Moonlight tour with his band Double Trouble and then he was going to play guitar for Bowie, but it fell through. When Vaughn toured with Jeff Beck a few years before his death, Bowie and Vaughn hung out after one of the shows and apparantly patched things up. On another note, I called the Adrian Belew's fan club number last year to inquire about Texas dates for his solo tour and was told that Belew wouldn't be back in Texas until 1995 when he would be coming through with KC. I am keeping my fingers crossed. David **************************************************************************** David Whittaker * GSLIS University of Texas at Austin * 668 - the neighbor of the beast davidmw at utxsvs dot cc dot utexas dot edu * Festscrifts K.I.O.S. in '95 * **************************************************************************** [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:09:50 -0500 (EST) From: terry kroetsch f Subject: Bruford reports (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:01:17 -0500 (EST) From: terry kroetsch f Subject: Bruford reports "double drumming in the new king crimson" by bill bruford ( from Paiste news issue 2 1995 - good issue with carl palmer, bonham etc - it's free and I think they keep you on the mailing list - Paiste America 460 Atlas St, Brea, CA 92621) Greetings from the front. Pat Mastelotto and I are hard at work at Gabriel's Real World Studios in England, wrestilng the new King Crimson album to the ground. It's noisy, dirty and surprisingly delicate work...no one said it would be fun, but somebody's got to do it. The music is huge bleak, drafty and ornate in dark corners - a bit like Edinburgh Castle. I only hope it doesn't frighten the horses. Working with another drummer is an area in which I have some experience, with Jamie Muir, Phil Collins, and Alan White, among others. You have to be that much more adaptable, flexible and nimble on your feet. You may want to listen more carefully and be that much more generous in your choices. Double drummer work is paradoxically both more confining and more liberating: confining in the sense that if you've agreed to play it, you've got to play, and liberating because having a human metronome in the band can allow you to fly to areas which hitherto would have left your fellow instrumentalists with their foot in the air. I was amused recently at a gig in Buenos Aires when, after the show, an otherwise happy customer seemed vexed by the double drumming, insisting the Pat and I were rather wide of the mark, if not extremely untogether. Now we have our less than elegant moments, but this was, for this character, a continual problem throughout the show. "You just don't play together"...and then it dawned that his idea of, and only understanding of double drumming was that both players should play the same instruments at the same time - Allman Brothers style, and rhythmic counterpoint, polyrhythms, percussion to drum kit, metrical superimposition, rhythmic illusions and the rest of the huge array of possibilities was, quite literally "untogether". I thought this was a charming view. Needless to say, Pat and I immediately resolved to avoid duplication like the plague, the better to avoid being mistaken for said Allmans. Playing the same thing as the other guy has always seemed to me to be the most feeble place to start when looking for double drumming strategies. By all means play the same thing a sixteenth, a quarter, an eighth note, a day later, or earlier, but at the same time? Unwise. Perhaps better to look for interlocking rhtyhms each of which on its own has a life, but when played togther has a power greater than the sum of the components. Then there's metric modulation, illusion and superimposition, the sort of thing Trilock and Gavin Harrison are demons at. Two metres on top of each other, one at a faster pulse than the other, wheels within wheels, big and slow, light and fast - oh yes folks, we've tackled it all one way or another at Real World in the past few weeks. How about assigning timbres? He gets the wood, you get the metals. He gets the high drums, you get the low...and so it goes on. Throughout all this we've been well served by a huge supply of Paiste Cymbals, from piggy-backed trashy mini-cups to the roar of a huge China. What combinations of percussion timbres and sounds are used when, and how much has to be one of the greatest defining features of a track, and that's before you've even figured out what to play. Perhaps we all concentrate rather too much on how to play, rather than where and when to play. You'll love it or loath it, but the new King Crimson beast makes one heck of a CD. - Bill Bruford [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 19:30:31 -0500 From: gregdunn at indy dot net (Greg Dunn) Subject: missing concert(s)? Wow, I've really been running at the mouth lately. Just so excited to be part of the ET list, that's all... :) :) Actually a pertinent question here: is the concert list on the last page of "Frame by Frame"'s booklet supposed to be complete and unabridged? I saw no mention of any such comments in the booklet, so I'm wondering. Perhaps this has been discussed before, but I couldn't find it in the ET archives. Why am I asking? Because the Thursday, April 19 1984 concert in Indianapolis is not on the list! I have the ticket so I know the date is right. Anyone care to set me straight on this? Email is fine... I'd also like to briefly thank RF for his attention in assembling the tGD and FbF box sets. These are first-rate in terms of packaging, content, notes and sound quality. I recommend them to any die-hard Crimso out there -- especially if they can be found for under $50 each (I paid $45 and $49). The booklets are almost worth the price by themselves. -- | Greg Dunn | "Information is not knowledge; | | GregDunn at aol dot com | knowledge is not wisdom; | | gregdunn at indy dot net | wisdom is not truth." | | Greg at gdunn dot nawc-ad-indy dot navy dot mil | -- Frank Zappa | [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: JDEhm at eworld dot com Date: Sat, 01 Apr 95 19:04:33 PST Subject: The Best! Hello fellow Crimsonites. I just wanted to drop this note expressing my gratitude to Toby and all those who make this list the best anywhere. From transcribing long interviews to capturing the Fripp Compuserve forum and all the intelligent posts in between, this list shows how people with a common interest can come together and create pure synergy. And how many other lists can say that their *idols* (for a lack of a better term at the moment) actually acknowledge their fans by posting to the list. Three cheers to Robert and Tony! Keep up the great work everyone! Best Regards, JD [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 13:29:19 +0300 From: j at vrooom dot pp dot fi (Jukka Kukkonen) Subject: Fripp ballet music? B'Boom! During a recent websurf the following caught my attention: the Atlanta Ballet used Fripp's music in a modern dance performance in March:"...blackened stage to Robert Fripp's electronic musical score, a perfectly-timed strobe light catches the peak of his action and suspends his movements as he leaps through the air. The effect is a startling realization of every person's dream of flying..." Sheeesh! What music did they use? Surely a tape, not live. Probably not 'Forgotten Steps' either 8-). I'm curious about this, as I work for the Finnish National Opera and Ballet. Maybe a Fripp ballet in our grand brand new opera house? Hmmm...I'd choose live Crimson 8-) Come to think of it - I'm sure they could dance quite well (unlike that Phil Collins band which BB quit... 8-). 'Dance' has been an essential quality of KC since the day one. Remember 'The Dance of the Puppets' and 'Lady of the Dancing Water'? ---jukka (j at vrooom dot pp dot fi) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 08:42:49 -0400 (EDT) From: terry kroetsch f Subject: Re: League of their own... It is incredible news that Discipline is releasing a live from Toronto League of Gentlemen disc. This was a concert-going highlight in my life. El Mocombo (or THE El Mocombo as people insist on calling it - which breaks me up) is a small, intense *bar* hosting prime live experiences - Bruford, Fripp, UK first tour etc. This particular night no one knew what to expect and when Fripp suggested using the dance floor, we were the first up there, dancing madly in front of Fripp ands firends. It was an amazing, HOT show. Very fast and powerful. Get this disc! Does anyone have a ticket-phone-number for tickets for Ann Arbor show. I'd like to drive down It's a nice, old movie theatre on State St isn't it? Can someone e-mail me with info? [ Please call your local Telephone Directory Enquiry number for queries like this. PLEASE. :-) -- Toby ] Thanks, Terry Now Listening: Go On - Mr. Mister (there is a reason I got this for free and never played it until now. The drumming is.....prefunctory?) No sig is the best sig but my karma just ran over my dogma.......... [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:46:25 -0400 From: matottls at craft dot camp dot clarkson dot edu (Loren S. Matott) Subject: Elephant Talk Observation Hey, i was listening to E-talk the other day and a friend pinted something out to me. the verses are arranged in alphabetical oreder A-B-C-D-E!! This blew my mind, i have listed to the song countless of times and \ never noticed. My friend also alloewd me to listen to the live CD from the box set and I was impressed with MARS as well as the 80's track esp. Indiscipline! well it's goodbye. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: ANDREA at eworld dot com Date: Mon, 03 Apr 95 02:18:52 PDT Subject: THRAK is out... in Italy since last week ! One friend of mine discovered it last Friday. And, of course, Saturday morning I bought it ! Probably they started to ditribute it before in Italy because the Tour will start here in a month..... I can't describe it now completely , because I discover something new everytime I listen to it ! There's a lot from the 70s (a mellotron...), lot from Belew's way of writing songs, lot from the Sylvian-Fripp experience. I did not find many relations to the 80s work, apart few episodes. I really like vocal songs rather than instrumentals, I did not find really interesting THRAK on the minialbum, and still do in this new version. "Dinosaur", "Walking On Air" and" People" are my favourites, and also drums duet "B'Boom" is great as an intro for THRAK. Interesting notes; Tony Levin do not play Stick but is feautured with Basses and Upright Bass. It seems to me that Bruford plays more acoustic than electronics.... Ciao Andrea [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Mathews, Thomas J." Subject: FW: depression Date: Mon, 03 Apr 95 06:53:00 EST I thought this sad (funny?) enough to post. ---------- From: a friend in Vancouver i had flu it was probably depression about being in ireland while KC is in Vancouver a mind-body kind of thing electro-shock therapy helped i forgot all of their songs [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 17:32:52 BST From: Toby Howard Subject: Belew paper available I have placed in the archives a 1987 term paper written by Edward E. Shorer about the work of Adrian Belew. It's a little long to post in ET, but a very nice paper. It's ftp://ftp.cs.man.ac.uk/pub/toby/elephant-talk/articles/belew-paper Toby [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 03 Apr 95 11:06:15 EDT From: MAIL Subject: tickets I just got a ticket for the Sunday june 4th show in NYC. If anyone is interest ed in selling a ticket, or trading a ticket, to the saturday june 3rd show, ple ase e-mail me. Also, anyone who would like to get together for the nyc shows, please let me know. Thanks, michael jeter 718-372-8556 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 20:11:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mats Rydstr\vm Subject: euro tour...and various other topics Hi! I was wondering a thing about 'When I Say Stop, Continue'. Was that a jam that they did and then naming it WISSC due to the last 20 seconds or do you think it was thought out? I'm not that familiar with the way that Crimson works but I imagine them being very imaginative at jamming. Also, also after reading the long (130K) diary of KC found at the web-site I got the impression that this Jamie Muir-guy was a dangerous dude. Anyone with more info on him? Later... /Mats ________________________________________________________________________ / Mats Rydstrom - d94-mry at nada dot kth dot se - http://www.nada.kth.se/~d94-mry / /-----------------------------------------------------------------------/ / "We can hope for the future, though there may not be one" - ACOS / /_______________________________________________________________________/ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Erik Subject: various outdated info. Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 16:37:18 EDT Hello, Sorry if this was already posted, but I haven't had time to read much mailing list mail and can't keep up with everything like I"d like to. Also sorry that I didn't post this before, but I just found out shortly before it happened and probably isn't/wasn't very useful to people anyway. Radio Tres in Spain (where I am now) played all of KC's new one 2 Fridays ago. I actually wasn't able to listen to (or tape) it but as far as I know they just played the album (which isn't available here yet) in its entirety. Also, semi-KC related, there is a very interesting band named Loppybogymi that I saw a couple years ago (opening for fIREHOSE, I think) that some of the list memebers would probably like. I belive KC is thanked (along with Frank Zappa and other cool people) in their first independent cd release. They're from Nashville (where I was once) but think they've relocated to Detroit. Worth checking out if you get a chance. Erik, wishing KC would come to Spain too :( -- ____________________________________________________________________ "SATAN HAS BROUGHT YOU" (English translation) -last words to me from the father of my former host family in Spain, February 1995 ____________________________________________________________________ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 19:00:12 -0400 From: MiqSk8 at aol dot com Subject: stuff to sell:( bad news:( my cat got hit. had surgery got better got worse died i need lotsa money for the bill selling the following, shipping inc.: Pleasure In Pieces-frippertronics live, two albums m- $30 Eleven Improvisations-not really. guitar craft live cd. sound only mediocre, but essential for you completists. $15 Young person's. mint. $10 Absent lovers. montreal '84 show, one album, m- $15 John Wetton's King's Road, mint lp, $5 thanx from me, my wife, and oliver, r.i.p. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: JDEhm at eworld dot com Date: Mon, 03 Apr 95 21:00:32 PDT Subject: Three Of A Perfect Pair In ET #176 G.A. Radvansky writes: >Here's a thought(although completely incorrect, I'm sure): >Is the double trio idea that's been developed for the new KC >Fripp's way >making the band reflect some sort of Three Of A Perfect Pair? Although it may be incorrect, it certainly has a touch of irony/foreshadowing. Good observation G.R. Regards, JD Ehm [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 03 Apr 95 22:52:02 EDT From: HENRY FINKE <76751 dot 1006 at compuserve dot com> Subject: Disappoinment with New Crimson In the past few months, I've become familiar with ET and have read eagerly as news of the tour came over. However, it's time to leave lurking mode and speak my mind. I've been a fan long enough that I can remember the stir caused by "Court" and distinctly recall buying ITWOP. One of the floors in my college dorm had the cover of "Court" painted on the wall. I've seen and met Fripp in many venues and buy anything that has his name on it. And I must express my humble opinion that VROOM and THRAK just aren't up to snuff. Bluntly, they're well below that. What really convinced us all that Fripp was a guitar god was the 72-74 version of the band. Fripp was all the way out front, producing leads and sounds unlike anyone else. One turned out the lights and listened to the pure, sinuous, almost evil fuzz tones of Fripp's Les Paul. After Fripp broke the band and "hid" for a few years, he came back and seemed intent on doing whatever it took to disguise his guitar playing. The early Frippertronics shows were all loops and no leads. As some may recall, RF was on his "five year drive" and wanted to end "the vampiric relationship between performer and audience." This resulted in his efforts to not be a guitar god. Anyone remember the first Peter Gabriel tour? The lead guitarist was named Dusty Rhodes and was invisible-it was Fripp playing offstage!!!! I need say no more. After 74, RF's best work was as a hired gun, when he was paid to play on the songs of someone who recognized his talents. Listen to his work on albums by Bowie, Eno, Blondie, Talking Heads, The Roche Sisters, and many others. These are the places where his virtuosity shines through. On the other hand, listen to "White Shadow" on Gabriel's second LP (produced by RF); if you put on headphones, turn off all bass, and balance it all the way to the right, you might just catch the incredible guitar work. He did everything he could to completely bury it in the mix. In the context of groups and ensembles that RF created, one was hard pressed to find him out front. Even his recent work with David Sylvian is "guitar hero free"; nice compositions with no juice. The 80-83 KC, and now the most recent incarnation is undoubtedly musically the best in terms of raw talent, but the worst in terms of showcasing RF. Most of my fellow Crimheads absolutely hated AB during the first tour; not because he was a bad musician, but because RF hid behind him. KC was not a band that was supposed to showcase songs, they were ones to go off and play like madmen. I, for one, was not pleased to learn that AB was in the new band; again, nothing against him, just anger about the situation. Nowhere on VROOM are there any blistering guitar leads that make men quake in fear. (There aren't any leads at all, come to think of it.) Missing is the modal phrasing that makes ones' jaw drop. What made KC legendary was that they were an instrumental band with players like none else, stepping way out and pushing the envelope. Each could do and did amazing things.Most of the best work of the 72-74 band was improvisation, not composition!! The new version is an ensemble of great musicians content to let one person(AB) take the limelight, with little improvisation evident. Without the shield of a strong lead singer, I'm willing to bet we'd get a much more satisfying result. I'm sure the tour will be fine and that we'll be happy they're back. But Mr. Fripp, please do your stuff!!! We miss it dearly. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 00:46:24 -0700 From: fbellinger at pluto dot scripps dot edu (Rick Bellinger) Subject: Re: Master Levin In #176, Paul (a bass player) wrote (paraphrasing the first line): >"...No Stick from Levin, the master of the instrument?..." I know a few >stick players and each, while admitting Levin is a good stick player and an >awesome bassist, don't feel he's in the "master" category. I assume this is >because he's seen as a bassist who plays the stick, rather than a stick >player from the ground up. Or maybe stick players are just naturally >snobs...? Well, actually, most of us stick players probably are snobs. Just today, someone told me "you're the only stick player I know who isn't a cocky asshole." I thought he knew me better than that. Most of us bought the things because we arrogantly believed we were capable of doing everything- playing chords, bass and melody all at the same time, being the entire band. And actually, many can. But the ones who become really good tend to have a lot of humility. The instrument probably humbles people. Kind of a zenish ordeal, I guess. I would certainly concede that Mr. Levin is a far better all-around musician than I will ever be. But I think he would be the first to admit he is not quite a 'master' of the instrument. (I don't think there are any true stick masters- yet.) He is merely the most visable stick player. I read an interview with T.L. long ago, and he said that he often would play just one or two notes on the stick for an album track, and would be quite happy with it. He's always been a great support player; we don't yet know what he's really capable of, although we'll find out soon when he releases World Diary (I can't wait!) I don't mind people using Tony as a representative of the stick world, but realize that what he's recorded so far, as excellent as it is, touches on only a part of the stick's potential. Many players have gone much further- check out the discography on the stick web page. My personal recomendations would be Frank Jolliffe, Jim Lampi and Bob Culbertson. Of course, Trey Gunn has been one of the most inovative stick players around, but IMnotsoHO, I think he's far from reached his potential, and the stuff he puts out 5 years from now will dwarf what he's doing now. rick \\\ \\\ The midd\\\of the road is a dan\\\ous place to stand. \\\ \\\ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 13:12:20 BST From: cbackham at uk dot mdis dot com (Clive Backham) Subject: Marotta on Breathless? In ET #176, there were two references to Jerry Marotta's excellent drumming on Exposure's "Breathless". I don't want to get involved in the rather futile debate over Marotta's capabilities, but would just like to point out that he wasn't the only drummer on Exposure, and credits were not given for individual tracks. Anyhow, I don't think the drummer on "Breathless" is Marotta (nor does it sound like Phil Collins). My money is firmly on Narada Michael Walden(sp?). Clive Backham McDonnell Information Systems, UK email: cbackham at uk dot mdis dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 20:08:37 +0300 From: j at vrooom dot pp dot fi (Jukka Kukkonen) Subject: mellotron Surprised to hear Fripp play mellotron on THRAK. Last Crimson recording with mellotron was USA 20 years ago. Can't resist digging dinosaur bones: I think this might be the same instrument. Will he play it live? We'll see. -jukka [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 4 Apr 95 22:57 BST-1 From: gsouthall at cix dot compulink dot co dot uk (Garfield Southall) Subject: Thrak ! Having given many listenings to the new, eagerly awaited album, I can say I'm really enjoying it. I don't think the older versions of the VROOOM songs are supplanted by the new ones, but I do like the new central section of One Time. Has anybody else noticed a Beatles' feel to some of the songs? I though Dinosaur was particularly McCartneyish in melody and the end of People reminds me of 'I Want You (She's so heavy)'. Elsewhere the music is only as Crimson can play it, and the return of the mellotron is making me nostalgic & misty-eyed. Garfield Southall "as the mountains darken, glimmering dragonflies drift downstream" (Stuart Quine) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: David Maclennan Subject: THRAK promo Date: 05 Apr 1995 11:37:54 +1300 Got my first taste of THRAK yesterday, courtesy of a 4-track promo CD that my record dealer kindly gave me (the full album's due here in a week or three). The four tracks are: "Dinosaur" (edited), "Walking On Air", "People", and "VROOOM". The first three are Belew songs, as previously noted in "ET" (chosen for this EP, I suspect, because they are more radio-friendly than the instrumental tracks). The sound is superb, the playing excellent (fun to hear a Mellotron again on a '90s record!). I'm still not that crazy about Belew's songs, though. It's the melodies themselves that put me off, I think -- a bit too conventional-sounding. "Walking On Air" is positively saccharine, saved only by some fine playing by all concerned and a nice production. Catalog number is KCPRO1. Roll on the album! In the meantime, this EP will get a serious thrashing. -- David Maclennan [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 04 Apr 1995 20:03:13 -0400 (EDT) From: MKAEFER1 Subject: KC to appear on Letterman Hey friends, I just read on the Gibraltar prog rock mailing list that KC will be performing live on Late Night w/ Dave Letterman on Friday, May 19. Be sure to set your VCRs... Peace, Mark PS...I have heard all of THRAK, thanks to an advanced cassette sent to the radio station I work at...*holy shit*. :) I can't wait to see them. Don't forget April 25! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 15:36:47 +1100 From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James) Subject: Water? Seen on the Ambient list: >The Made To Measure series is worth serious investigation for ambient fans >who find that another FAX release leaves them hungry for something of a >little more substance. Check out David Cunningham's _Water_ release >(featuring Robert Fripp on the opening track) and Benjamin Lew's >mesmerising _Le Parfum du Raki_. Any info, folks? James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 05 Apr 1995 00:17:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Watcher Of The Skies (John P Mohan) Subject: My little bro; Tony Levin & NEXUS 1. I just recently got my 13-year old brother hooked on KC. He borrowed _Lark's Tongues_ and was impressed. He's a guitarist and idolizes Kurt Cobaina and the entire grunge movement in general, but it's nice to see him expanding his horizons and listening to the music that preceded and influenced grunge/punk/alternative/whatever in the first place. On a similar note, I once remember hearing about an interview in some guitar magazine in which the guitarist for Stone Temple Pilots mentioned that some of his top influences were Robert Fripp, Steve Hackett, and Steve Howe. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? :-| 2. It was great to get more info on _World Diary_ (from the Levin interview last week). I noticed that he collaborated with NEXUS. Well, they gave a concert at Grinnell College (in my hometown) last year, and they were incredible. At their forefront is Bob Becker, who is considered by some to be the best living marimba player in the world. I even came very close to talking to some of the NEXUS guys at a reception. This has led me to wonder: how far-fetched would it be for Levin to give some sort of solo performance at a place like Grinnell? This college, in case you don't know, is only about 1200 students strong, but has played hosts to such big names as Bruce Springsteen, the Police, Sebadoh, and most recently, Tracy Chapman. It has also seen appearances by such greats as Maynard Ferguson, Steward Copeland, and Jim Chapin...sorry if it sounds like I'm bragging; I guess I sort of am...but if Levin is considering touring for the album, either by himself or with others, and if it's supposed to be as intimate an experience as he makes it out to be...? Just tossing out ideas... I know that Levin himself occasionally reads ET, and I wonder what he'd think of such suggestions. He seems like such an open and amiable guy, and seems to want to be very accessible to his fans. I know that Grinnell would welcome him with open arms for concerts, lectures, bass clinics, etc...you name it. THRAKing all the way, JP Mohan mohanjp at ac dot grin dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Mike Green Date: 04 Apr 95 11:19:01 +0000 Subject: Book of Saturday Organization: Conqueror Midnightline Services Issue nine of Book of Saturday [ the KC fanzine ]now available. (R)eply or call +44 113 250 6433, and leave a message. In this issue : Frippertronics, Fantasy King Crimson, Cheerful Insanity in the House of GG&F, Discography, Pictures of Stickmen. 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