From elephant-talk at arastar dot comFri Oct 14 15:00:45 1994 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 09:44:33 +0800 From: elephant-talk at arastar dot com Reply to: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: elephant-talk at anthor dot arastar dot com Subject: Elephant-talk digest v94 #152 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 152, Friday, 14 October 1994 Today's Topics: Possible Productions information Phil Keaggy and KC Re: Elephant Talk #152. several things Gastr Del Sol RFSQ and CGT Re: Elephant-talk digest v94 #151 mid-70s Crimso was LOUD! Re: Angels in the architecture Re: Angels In The Architecture Television and KC CrimHistory? Re: Elephant-talk digest v94 #151 Crimson with Muir Re: Elephant-talk digest v94 #151 Re: ET #151 KC On Tour In search for Centipede New Sylvian/Fripp Releases Re: #1(2) Re: Discipline Mail List [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: DINOKILLER at aol dot com Date: Tue, 11 Oct 94 20:54:58 EDT Subject: Possible Productions information An answer to the question most asked from those who ordered. The VROOOM CD will be mailed most likely on Nov 4th and 1999 will be mailed on Nov 11th. If I have 1999 in time I will send it with VROOOM. The second question was about when the US tour would be and I can only say that May had been mentioned but I wouldn't bet your life on it. Thanks for the response and let me know what else you're looking for. All suggestions are appreciated even though I can't respond to every one. On a personal note, I was fortunate enough to go to Buenas Aires for 5 of the concerts and it was great. The set included: VROOOM Frame by frame Discipline Sex, Sleep, Eat, Drink, Dream Indiscipline Red One Time Thrak Heartbeat Matte Kudasai VROOOM VROOOM Elephant Talk (Instrumental) Talking Drum/Larks Tongues in Aspic Part 2 encore (Instrumental) Sleepless 2nd encore VROOOM The sound was rich. With SIX players there was so much to listen to. My favorite period being the Larks era I was amazed at how Robert's soundscape took the place of the mellotron during Talking Drum. I didn't miss it at all and I'm a big mellotron fan. That was a highpoint for me. Also, when they played Heartbeat, the crowd sang along (perfectly) and Adrian stopped singing as the crowd took the vocals away. Seeing that Spanish is the main language, it was quite a moment hearing over 500 people sing Heartbeat phonetically. All of the shows had their highpoints. - Mark Perry - [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: STA3N2AA Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 17:06:26 GMT Subject: Phil Keaggy and KC I hope other readers will forgive this rather KC un-related posting, but in the last Elephant Talk, there was a list of readers other musical interests; and amongst them I was amazed to see Phil Keaggy's name. Although very new to this guy's music, I think he is a HIGHLY underrated guitar player with an almost incomparable variety of styles - his instrumental work is very dramatic and moving; 'March of the Clouds' could be Steve Hackett meets the Enid! - and most of his vocal work is Christian based - always musically strong. Will anyone own up to this entry - please mail me if you can fill me in details of his activities and (rather hard to find!) back-catalogue. Although I've now got a pretty decent collection; my first taste of Crimson came when someone taped me the LTIA album, backed with an album by OSIRIS who I'm told came from Bahrain of all places! I've no idea where you'd find this album and I have no info on it whatsoever - but it really is quite beautiful prog-rock and very complimentary to the 72-74 sound of KC .. info please someone....? Best wishes to all, Steve Gibbons (Leeds, UK) Happy family one hand clap..four went on and none came back (EH??!!) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: ottari at ismennt dot is (Ottar Isberg) Subject: Re: Elephant Talk #152. Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 17:06:17 +0000 (GMT) ELEPHANT TALK ON TV Dear readers Last night the regular TV program "Parlament News" or Thingfrettir in Icelandic started for the season. I was quite surprised when I heard the opening, it was actually Elephant Talk. A rather unusual program tune. However Crimson tunes are often used on this TV station, it appears that their Music director is a fan. I have recently got the RFSQ record, A Bridge Between. I must say that I am very happy with that record. Some tunes are really good, I would like to mention especially "Hope" which is plain beutiful. I wonder who plays the main guitar melody, but that man is tastful. Does anybody know?. Great work Fripp!. My best regards Orn Orrason Multi Detector Systems Ltd Reykjavik Iceland Fax (354) 1 11273 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "William M. Maciejewski" Subject: several things Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 15:38:34 -0400 (EDT) First, in response to Dave Fisher's hearty recommendation of Einsturzende Neubauten and Fugazi, let me add my own. These bands are among my favorites. With regards to Neubauten, if you're not into the "German-guys-banging-on- sheet-metal" motif, first you might want to check out their latest release, "Tabula Rasa," where, as the singer puts it, they finally discovered a few more musical qualities in their music. Very good music, lots of percussion on homemade instruments (in fact a compilation cd of theirs was my chosen "wake-up" music this morning :) ) and personally, I LIKE sheet metal. Anyway, on another note, I want to know about.. oh wait, I just got just this second an email called "Possible Productions online ordering." This timing is incredible! Thanks Toby and Ken! seeya -bill [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 15:35:49 -0600 From: jklein at midway dot uchicago dot edu (Joshua Klein) Subject: Gastr Del Sol Another band of particular interest for fans of King Crimson is Gastr Del Sol. They are a Chicago band spawned out of the city's avante garde scene and punk roots. I recently saw them live, and the interplay between David Grubbs (guitars, vocals, moogs), Jim O'Rourke (guitars and synths), thier drummer was nothing short of amazing. The clashing guitars are not unlike Belew/Fripp era Crimson, at least when it comes to complexity and odd times, though the band as a whole is a little more challenging to accept (they lack 80s KC's pop sensibilities). I highly recommend their last album Crookt, Crackt, or Fly on Chicago's Drag City Label as well as their first album (whose name escapes me at the moment), though the band has to be seen live in one of its many incarnations to be fully appreciated. Happy hunting! Josh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ jklein at midway dot uchicago dot edu: "This is a public service announcement...with guitars!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 9 Oct 1994 15:51:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Gordon Subject: RFSQ and CGT Hi y'all, I received copies of R. Fripp String quintet in the post the other day and I have been just thrilled! Really and truly! Thankx Mark for including the CGT CD as well. If any of you are connected with college radio, please play these cd's, please. These are some of the most important tracks produced in the music industry in the last few years. There is no equal. Bach, surf music, originals...sounds like one of my shows...oops! that was supposed to be in parentheses! bruce, Lord of the Reedy River, purveyor of astrology, etymology and legerdemain. ps: now where can I get the Changeling on CD for a reasonable price? bg [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: abostick at netcom dot com (Alan Bostick) Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v94 #151 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 1994 23:19:31 -0700 Organization: Arrogant Opinions 'R' Us -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 20:43:01 -0500 (CDT) > From: Dan Parham > Subject: Angels In The Architecture > > Six - eight years ago I heard a piece on public radio called Angels In The > Architecture. Fripp was mentioned, but I don't know if it was a Fripp > album, or piece, or if he (Fripp) was just mentioned as performing on it. > If anyone knows about this album, I would appreciate any info that might > help me get a copy. > > Thanks dparham ANGELS IN THE ARCHITECTURE is a compilation CD from E.G. Records/Editions E.G., released in 1987. Track list for the disk is: 1. The Gunfighter (Harold Budd) 2. The Plateaux of Mirrors (Harold Budd/Brian Eno) 3. Voices (Roger Eno) 4. A Place in the Wilderness (Roger Eno) 5. Split Seconds (Bill Bruford/Patrick Moraz) 6. Kleine Blume Irgendwo [Little Flower Somewhere] (Hans-Joachim Roedelius) 7. Delta Rain Dream (Jon Hassell/Brian Eno) 8. Distant Village (Michael Brook) 9. Prelude and Yodel (Penguin Cafe Orchestra) 10. The Sound of Someone You Love Who's Going Away and It Doesn't Matter (Penguin Cafe Orchestra 11. Europe 80-1 (Phil Manzanera) 12. 1988 (Robert Fripp) 13. The Chords That Bind (Robert Fripp) 14. Meditation II (Laraaji) It's a nice sampler of the stuff E.G. has put out over the years, and a pointer to things one might have missed. (Not a very helpful pointer, though: the liner notes do not identify the original albums from which the tracks were taken.) I found the disk as a cutout about four years ago. I should expect that it's no longer available. | I dreamed I dwelt in marble halls, Alan Bostick | And woke to find it true; abostick at netcom dot com | I wasn't born for an age like this; finger for PGP public key | Was Smith? Was Jones? Were you? Key fingerprint: | -- George Orwell 50 22 FB 46 41 A3 17 9D F7 33 E1 4E 1C 89 79 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQB1AwUBLpjf3OVevBgtmhnpAQHfBAMAkNVLq2zHWmXYXnhZUwfxWj68RV5OfpjQ YFjKpDAPcP3mJZ/KDXABPzXnqz1GSTXHAI1dRWdDWx/QhRpdH8mNyovbYXJvECtM +sgOo8EL9tThids+HS2mG28HB2U/TFNQ =wAnu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 10:10:21 -0600 From: David Ewing Subject: mid-70s Crimso was LOUD! Peter Stoller wrote: > King Crimson actually had a reputation for playing > at lower volumes than the average rock band (although I understand Wetton > did push his amp towards 11 as time went on), relying on musical energy to > get the crowd's blood pumping. Say what? The Wetton-era Crimson had a reputation for being one of the LOUDEST bands in the known universe. Sure, they had quiet moments (eg, "Trio"), but their loud songs ("...Schizoid Man, "Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Part II", etc.) were ferocious live. In the spring of 1974, my brother saw them at the Shrine Auditorium in L.A. (for some reason, I had my head up my butt and missed this show) and returned complaining it was the most painfully loud show he had ever seen. He said that people were tearing up their ticket stubs and stuffing them in their ears for protection. David Cross's violin was particularly piercing. *************************************************************************** David A. Ewing Avalanche Development Company david at avalanche dot com Boulder, Colorado *************************************************************************** [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 10 Oct 1994 12:22:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Ashley Collins Subject: Re: Angels in the architecture There's a lyric in Paul Simon's "You Can Call Me Al," which also features Adrian Belew on guitar synth. Any connection or just a coincidence? Ashley Collins acollins at cap dot gwu dot edu P. S. If this has been addressed before, or if it's in some FAQ, just disregard this posting; I don't need to know badly enough to waste bandwidth and annoy the hell out of countless subscribers. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 17:03:02 +1200 From: james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Angels In The Architecture Dan Parham wrote: >>Six - eight years ago I heard a piece on public radio called Angels In The >>>>Architecture. Fripp was mentioned, but I don't know if it was a Fripp >>album, >>or piece, or if he (Fripp) was just mentioned as performing on it. If anyone >>>>knows about this album, I would appreciate any info that might help me get >>a >>copy. >[ This was an EG Records sampler album, including tracks by the Penguin Cafe >>Orchestra, Harold Budd, Roger Eno, Phil Manzanera, Fripp, others. The Fripp >>track was a frippertronics piece from Let the Power Fall (if I remember. I >have it at home but haven't seen it for ages!). -- Toby] Full Track listing is: The Gunfighter (Harold Budd); Plateaux of Mirrors (Budd/B.Eno); Voices (Roger Eno); A Place in the Wilderness (R. Eno); Split Seconds (Bill Bruford/ Patrick Moraz); Kleine Blume Irgendwo (Hans-Joachim Roedelius); Delta Rain Dream (Jon Hassell/B. Eno); Distant Village (Michael Brook); Prelude and Yodel (Penguin Cafe Orchestra); The Sound of Someone you love who's going away and it doesn't matter (PCO); Europe 80-1 (Phil Manzanera); 1988 (Fripp); The Chords that Bind (Fripp); Meditation II (Laraaji). EEGCD 47, released 1987. James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya jivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james dot dignan at stonebow dot otago dot ac dot nz steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: malzahn at umcc dot umich dot edu (Eric Malzahn) Subject: Television and KC Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 00:15:29 -0400 (EDT) I've been listening to the first two albums by the New York City band Television for a while now and was wondering if anyone else sees similarities between Television and the King Crimson of the 80's. Television's "Marquee Moon" and "Adventure" came out in the late 70's before "Discipline" was released, but during the time that Robert Fripp was living in NYC. What I've noticed is that both King Crimson (80's) and Television are based around the interplay of two disparate and wonderfully inventive guitarists. Both bands use ostinato's extensively. Vocals are rough and sometimes bizarre -- Belew likes to yell, Tom Verlaine likes to whine. The rhythm sections of both bands are extremely tight and jazz-oriented -- the bassists adding counterpoint. Television's music is comprised of the basic rock setup -- guitar, bass, drums, vocal (with piano thrown in once in a while). They're pretty much against the big broad seventy's progressive sounds of Genesis, Kansas, Yes, and early Crimson. No mellotron's allowed. Now, when I first started listening to the three Crimson albums from the 80's I got the impression they sort of had this attitude too. Nothing is overblown. The music is not drowned in the instrumentation. Now, are these just coincidental similarities? Or was it just the mood of the late seventy's New York scene? I'm willing to go one step further and suggest that Robert Fripp heard Television back then and really liked what he heard. Anyway you look at it, both these bands are incredibly talented. I strongly recommend that anyone who hasn't heard Television give a listen to both "Marquee Moon" and "Adventure." If you like those, their self-titled 1992 release is really good too. I'd also like to whole-heartedly backup Dave Fisher's endorsement of Sonic Youth, My Bloody Valentine, and Fugazi. All are amazing bands that put on great shows. Crimson fans might be a little taken back by MBV's style of mega-distorted chord strumming at ear-shattering volumes, but the effect is quite ethereal and makes for an interesting show at the very least. Their album "Loveless" is definitely one of the best records I've heard this decade. While I'm at it, another great band to check out is Shellac who's record "At Action Park" is currently only available on vinyl. That is, until next week when the CD comes out. Shellac includes independent producer extraordinaire Steve Albini who produced albums by Nirvana and the Pixies as well as several other independent rock bands. Shellac is probably the tightest and most talented indie-rock band currently in existence. Definitely worth a listen. -- Eric [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 10:44:00 -0400 (EDT) From: CHURCHILL at CSUSYS dot CTSTATEU dot EDU Subject: CrimHistory? A long time KC fan (from '69) and new Elephant-Talk subscriber, I have two questions, hopefully not too redundant. First, has anyone written a history of KC? In print? Available? Second, since my vinyl ("In the Court..." to "Red") is now apparantly in someone *elses* attic, I am looking at cd replacements. "Essential" is the obvious choice, but in looking at the songs I noticed that disc 1 has nothing from "Lizard". Was there a reson for this exclusion? I always liked that album (at least in '71!). Thanks. Rick churchill at csusys dot ctstateu dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 11 Oct 94 11:25:01 EDT From: brzrkr at unipress dot com Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v94 #151 In ET151, 'MrWarwick at aol dot com' writes concerning 'Re: Crimson transcriptions' > > a> Some incredible guitarist sits down and transcribes King Crimsons music > to paper by figuring it all out note for note and then writing it down or I don't believe it takes all that incredible a guitarist, just incredible patience and perseverance. Also, a collective effort from this assemblage would be much more effective than any single guitarist, even after "peer reviews" to check the correctness of the transcription. I would certainly volunteer to help. I could transcribe 'Red' for you readily (it's one of my very most favorite songs). Pat Hickey ***SPH brzrkr at unipress dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 11:50:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "Theodore Gregory Hill Jr." Subject: Crimson with Muir Do any recordings out there exist with the late '72/early '73 Crimson performing with Muir? other than the Lark's Tongues album, I haven't seen anything else. Eric Tamm in his bio on Fripp said that this was an incredible time in the band's career. Also, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if a video from this period existed. On October 17, 1972, this Crimson appeared at something call the Beat club, Bremen tv. Someone must have a copy of this. Help! Ted [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Subject: Re: Elephant-talk digest v94 #151 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 12:57:27 EDT From: John Saylor [x] >From: MrWarwick at aol dot com >Subject: Re: Crimson transcriptions >In this age of mass information overload, there is one phylum of musical >interest that I believe is sorely needed to be distributed in these days of >modern times. That is, most precisely, printed transcripts of music by >Robert Fripp. While I agree that the music of Fripp [alone & with the various Crimson incarnations] is valuable, and worth close attention, I am not sure transcriptions are the best way to promote this. My thinking is that the music is the most important thing, and that a CD might be a better way to store and transmit the music than a written score is. This is a somewhat non-traditional view, but in terms of raw information, I think the case can be made that a CD gives you more than a score. Also, traditional notation would not be right for some of the material. I think something like Terry Riley's or Steve Reich's or George Crumb's notational practices might be a better starting place than the Symphonies of Beethoven. But this kind of work is best left to the creators and my guess is that Fripp is too busy creating new work to try and tackle the problem of adequate linear notation for his music. Also, he may agree with me that recordings serve the same archival purposes as scores do [he may not]. >However, as long as something is printed on acid >free paper, it'll last for hundreds of years. Of course, there is the issue of whether anyone will care about Fripp hundreds of years from now. But that is another question entirely. >but I think it would be a great service to >guitarists, nay, musicians anywhere and everywhere to be able to study the >finer works by KC Transcriptions are not the only way to study music, use your ears and your mind to figure out something! >Who knows? Perhaps some XXIV c. grad student could do his thesis on >moto perpetua in Fracture! Argh! As a former graduate music student I can say that once his music is deemed "worthy" of a dissertation it will mean that it has been analyzed to death and that there is a certain interpretation of the music that has been universally acknowledged- a sure sign of lifelessness. jsaylor [disagreeing, but not maliciously] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 11 Oct 94 12:54:12 EDT From: "N. Rob Leas" <74511 dot 775 at compuserve dot com> Subject: Re: ET #151 >From: >"Neal and Jack and Me" is also a horrible pun. Sorry. I must be slow, but I don't see the pun. Could you please elucidate? >From: James Bickers >Subject: Bad Religion covering KC? >In the latest Elephant Talk, someone mentioned that Bad Religion did a >version of 21st CSM called "21st Century Digital Boy." I just got through >listening to it again, and I see absolutely no similarity between the two. >There is such a song; it is the last track on "Stranger than Fiction." >Other than the first two words of the title, they seem to have nothing in >common. The last few lines of "Boy" are the first of "Man"; if not exactly, some of the (non-ubiquitous) words are the same >From: astarling at octrf dot on dot ca >does anyone know what Bill Bruford is up to these days? He is alive and well and living in Argentina! R. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: David Maclennan Subject: KC On Tour Date: 12 Oct 1994 14:57:14 +1300 An open request to Robert Fripp and the rest of KC: If you embark on a "world" tour, please remember that there are countries south of the Equator! So many bands don't. No previous incarnation of KC ever ventured into this part of the world, so here's hoping the new one makes it to New Zealand this time. There's lots of closet Crimheads here, some (like me) of very long standing! It would certainly make a change from grunge or rap acts, which is all we seem to get down here these days. Wellington Town Hall awaits, guys! (BTW, re the correspondence on "Neal and Jack and Me", it amazes me that so many people seem unaware of Messrs Casady, Kerouac & Co! "Ignorance of your culture is not considered cool" [Ralph Records flyer ca.1979]. Cheers, David Maclennan [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:43:53 +0100 From: E dot Roos at BURO dot KUN dot nl Subject: In search for Centipede Hi! I hope there's someone who can help me on the following. According to the Robert Fripp discography by John Relph Revision 3.3f (25 August 1994), mr. Fripp plays guitar on two albums from the band "Keith Tippett's Centipede". Or according to the discography of Canterbury Bands (available on ftp.uwp.edu) this band is called "Centipede". Centipede made two albums: * Centipede, 1970, LP, [Unknown label; also available on CD] * Septober Energy, 1971, LP [Neon; re-released in 1974 by RCA]. Not only mr. Fripp appears on these albums, but members of various '70s line-ups of King Crimson as well. They are: Ian McDonald, Boz Burrell, Marc Charig, Harry Miller, Nick Evans, Keith Tippett. There are also quite a few musicians from the " '70s progressive rock scene" who play on these albums. To name a few: Robert Wyatt, Elton Dean, Roy Babbington, Hugh Hopper. Reading the names of all these fabulous musicians appearing in Centipede, made me eager to hear their music. So I went to the local CD-shop here in Nijmegen, the Netherlands. The man in the shop looked for me in his database, containing 170,000 CD's available in Western Europe. There wasn't an entry on "Centipede" or "Keith Tippett's Centipede". Then I phoned a guy who owns a second hand record store. And although he's about 20 years in business, he told me that he never had layed a hand on these albums. He actually didn't even know of their existence. I concluded that the material I'm looking for is very obscure and probably not available anymore. In the Netherlands at least. Now I have the following questions for you. 1. Does anyone knows/owns one of the albums? 2. Is the owner of the album(s) willing to put them on tape for me? Of course I'll pay for it - I don't believe anyone who owns such rare material is willing to sell it to me. Thank you. Eric Roos e dot roos at buro dot kun dot nl [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Greg Picklesimer Subject: New Sylvian/Fripp Releases Date: Wed, 12 Oct 94 16:59:19 MDT I was checking out several CD shops in Denver yesterday and came across several interesting things. First, I located an import Sylvian/Fripp CD that may be the one previously mentioned by Toby. It was a special edition on 24K Gold with a 32 page booklet for $28. None of the songs were listed on the outer packaging so I can't be sure it's the same, but the title was Damage. Any further comments on this release would be appreciated. [ Sounds exactly like the 'Damage' release I have -- Toby ] Secondly, one of the shops also listed a domestic (US) release for Sylvian/Fripp Live for 10/18. Does anyone have any info about this disc. Same as Damage or not? Greg [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 14 Oct 1994 00:48:51 +0800 From: kbibb at arastar dot com (Ken Bibb) Subject: Re: #1(2) Re: Discipline Mail List From: Keelo at aol dot com Date: Tue, 11 Oct 94 21:38:19 EDT Subject: Re: #1(2) Re: Discipline Mail List Crimson is in BA. I was there on business and fortunate to a catch a show at the Prix D'Ami. Very much like the the "3 Pair" sound to me. Songs included Red, Larks Part 2, Talking Drum, Frame by Frame, Indiscipline, Elephant Talk, Sleepless, and Heartbeat. Very intense. Bruford was exceptional. Keelo [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ----- ADMINISTRIVIA ----- ** POSTINGS Please send all postings to Toby Howard, at toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk. ** SUBSCRIPTIONS/ADDRESS CHANGES USA subscribers: please contact Ken Bibb at elephant-talk-request at arastar dot com. 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