From discipline at arastar dot com Wed Aug 3 15:53:16 1994 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:55:08 +0800 From: discipline at arastar dot com Reply to: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: discipline at anthor dot arastar dot com Subject: Discipline 143 D I S C I P L I N E The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 143, Tuesday, 2 August 1994 Today's Topics: From the editor Adrian Belew tour Adrian Belew: HERE Toyah, anyone? Relief... Belew "I See You" video Futurevision/Best Buy The Mysteries of "The First Day" Packaging Belew shows taped? "Frame by Frame" used in World Cup Coverage further on lizard, and covers (album not song). No mention of the new RF String Quintet CD??? (none) That Big Steamin' Mallet Rhythm Section World Cup, Frame By Frame.... Fripp+Flea "collaboration" Hi, i'm..er...new here... Re: Discipline 142 Unpronouncable New Fripp/Orb album soo Bruford World Cup, part II Tony Levin conversation Weird/Rarities new crimp Re: Lexicon JamMan USA/new line-up [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: The editor Hello everyone. I'm back from holiday, and we're back in operation again. Best wishes to you all. FFWD is out in the UK, by the way. Toby [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 13:05:43 -0600 From: David Ewing Subject: Adrian Belew tour I saw the Adrian Belew with the Psychodots tour as it stopped in Boulder this past Wednesday (July 6th). As others have posted, it is a great show. For those who don't know, the Psychodots are the Bears minus Belew. Adrian plays almost all of the new album, some of his classic older tunes (including "Lone Rhinoceros" and "Big Electric Cat"), some Bears material, and three Crimson tunes ("Elephant Talk", "Matte Kudesai", and "Heartbeat"). While the roadies were trying to fix his amp, Adrian discussed the new Crimson. He conferred what we already know about the new lineup (Fripp, Bruford, Levin, Belew, Gunn, and Masteloto), saying that Fripp refers to this as a "double trio". He said that they have already begun recording and that their final recording session is scheduled for December. He said that the album should be out in March or April of next year. He also mentioned that they were recording at Peter Gabriel's studio in Bath. Adrian Belew may be the nicest man in the music business. After the show, he hung around and talked to the fans one on one. He autographed my copy of "The Acoustic Adrian Belew" and I chatted with him about the new Crimson. He said that with all the players it was pretty hard to tell who was playing what. By the way, "The Acoustic Adrian Belew is a CD that he is only available at his concerts. It consists of just Adrian's voice(s) and acoustic guitars. The songs: The Lone Rhinoceros, Peace On Earth, The Man in the Moon, The Rail Song, If I Fell (the Beatles tune), Burned By The Fire We Make, Matte Kudasai, Dream Life, Old Fat Cadillac, Crying (the Roy Orbison song), and Marth Adored It's an interesting CD which, stripped of all the production and his sonic guitar-playing, confirms what a fine song writer he is. Recommended. The next day, Belew and the Psychodots played a few songs at Studio C at radio station KBCO (bands who come through Boulder stop by the radio station and play short, acoustic sets that are broadcast live). I tried to tape it, but my four-month old tape deck decided to mangle my tapes instead. At any rate, they played the new single "Never Enough", "Lone Rhinoceros", and a funny Psychodots tune, "She's A Moaner". Belew repeated the Crimson information above. The interview and the repartee were pretty funny. Did anyone happen to tape this? At the end of the year, KBCO puts out a "Best of Studio C" compilation. Maybe Belew will be on it. Belew said that the tour was 60 days long, and covered most of the United States, except the South. Catch this show if they come to your town. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 8 Jul 94 13:44:54 PDT From: John Relph Subject: Adrian Belew: HERE I picked up the latest Belew release _HERE_ on CD the other day. As I have been moving, I hadn't a chance to listen to it until this morning, while I did a little work from home (waiting for the phone rep to show). At first listen, I really LIKE the album! Excellent stuff. I'll have to give it a few more spins and let y'all know which songs I like best. But based on my first listen I'd say it's a MUST BUY for Belew fans. Much better than many of his recent albums, possibly better than _Mr Music Head_. We'll see. -- John [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 14:01:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Gordon Subject: Toyah, anyone? As I have been receiveing the newsletter Discipline for a while now, I have yet to see very many mentions of the beloved Toyah Willcox. Is there (and I smile as I type this) a Toyah fan club out there? I have been a loyal fan of hers since Sheep farming in Barnet. Why aren't there any pics that I could download? If there is anyone at all associated with fripp and KC that deserves jpg's or gif's, it's Toyah. Gosh, does this make me a flamer? bruce, Lord of the Reedy River, purveyor of astrology, etymology and legerdemain. "...the twin suns sink, behind the lake black is the night, the balck stars rise many moons circle through the sky..." TW [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: AAronson at aol dot com Date: Sat, 09 Jul 94 09:08:10 EDT Subject: Relief... >> The "Cobain" credited on that particular remix of "Darshan" is Gary Cobain >> of Future Sound of London. Thank God. <> Just my 2c Adam Aronson Sr. Systems Engineer TransNet/Schering-Plough Pharmaceutical [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 15:02:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Patrick R. Leyden" Subject: Belew "I See You" video Someone mentioned that there was a video for Adrian's song "I See You." Is anyone lucky enough to have a copy? I would love to see it! -cuyahoga at astro dot ocis dot temple dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 20:40:28 -0600 From: nash at chem dot wisc dot edu (John R. Nash) Subject: Futurevision/Best Buy First off, I was at the Shank Hall, Milwaukee show as well. I don't have anything to add to the two reviews already posted, but I'd like to add my opinion that Adrian Belew is well worth seeing live. I had a wonderful time. Thanks to the band for requesting "no smoking" for the evening (something Fripp also does). The clear air let me enjoy the show without choking and sneezing. Secondly, I was in the chain store Best Buy today, buying another copy of Marillion's 'Brave' to replace the two that I have given as presents to friends. As I was flipping CD's I realized that the song over the store's background music was Adrian's 'Futurevision.' I assume that the store gets its music piped in by a commercial music vendor (with a "modern pop/rock" playlist). I have yet to hear this song on the radio, although I hope that it is a second single (assuming/hoping 'I See You' convinces them to release another one). It's a good sign that whatever company is piping in the music has picked up the track, which is an outstanding rock song, IMHO. I hope we can see the world's not black and white.... [-A.Belew] -john -===-John R. Nash-==-nash at chem dot wisc dot edu-==-UW-Madison Chem. Dept-===- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: jzitt at marlin dot ssnet dot com (Joseph Zitt) Subject: The Mysteries of "The First Day" Packaging Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 01:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Another clue to the Fripp/Sylvian versions controversy: The cassette of "The First Day" does not have "Bringing Down the Light", although a promo cassette I have of the album does include it. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 01:09:51 +0800 From: lukes at EBay dot Sun dot COM (John Lukes) Subject: Belew shows taped? I'm wondering if anyone captured any of Adrian Belew's recent live shows with the Psychodots? Every review I've read, so far, has been raving...but his tour didn't come out here, so I'd appreciate any info. Thanks, -JOHN [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: ckitchen at merle dot acns dot nwu dot edu Subject: "Frame by Frame" used in World Cup Coverage Date: Sun, 10 Jul 94 17:41:36 CDT I hope that someone besides me noticed that ABC sports used "Frame by Frame" as backround music for a "recap of the World Cup." As a die hard KC fan AND soccer fan not only am I delighted that the World Cup is right here in the US but also that somebody somewhere out there in network television has the taste and power to play King Crimson during prime viewing hours. Thrive, Andrew ______________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Kitchen "How would you compare your music to c/o ckitchen at merle dot acns dot nwu dot edu art?" after Sept 1st akitchen at umich dot edu "Oh, man, I dig Art; he really blows." ______________________________________________________________________________ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 12:12:30 +1000 From: keens at pitvax dot xx dot rmit dot edu dot au (Jeremy Keens) Subject: further on lizard, and covers (album not song). my question re happy families was why ringo=rufus and george=silas. was rufus a famous clown & ringo was the clown of the group? the only silas what hits my mind is silas marner, but i never read the book. john=jonah, paul=judas are the easy ones!! its a great cover - i would vote it my favourite except for the fact i am a heavy tom phillips fan and his starless and bible black (when his inner lining is included) is nicely typical of his art - including the humament snippet. Poseidon must be close to the worst - earthbound doesnt count. The thrid period works nicely as a series. the last para was a fill in to make this post look longer! jeremy [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 19:49:26 -0700 From: dbox at braintrust dot com (Don Box) Subject: No mention of the new RF String Quintet CD??? I had to discover this one by going into tower records. It IS really good, BTW. Does any one know if the California Guitar Trio performs out, and if so, where? DB [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: davidmw at utxsvs dot cc dot utexas dot edu Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 12:09:57 -0600 Howdy. I have a question for the readers of Discipline: How many videos did the 80s Crimson make and did they make any television appearences with this line up (the box set mentions the band appearing on ABC's "Fridays").Also, did that line up ever release any commercially available videotapes? Thanks. David [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 11 Jul 94 13:18:31 EDT From: Subject: That Big Steamin' Mallet Rhythm Section A missive to Crimsonia: >From: "Jessup, Andrew" >Re: The new sextet line-up: In light of the comments Fripp made in the 1984 >Musician interview about tensions within KC (specifically about Bruford's >unwillingness to supply a basic pulse, generally about feeling forced by >all the others to be the musical "ground" upon which they could build, but >not being offered the opportunity in kind), it strikes me that what they've >done is gone out and gotten a rhythm section. If this is the general idea, >one wonders how Trey and Pat (?) will feel about having to remain >earthbound... Having intereviewed both Bruford and Gunn in the past month in promotion of their solo projects--I'll paraphrase from memory some comments along these lines, as I may not have time to transcribe any quotes for another few weeks. In Gunn's case--we discussed the subject of how he felt about fitting in in the juggernaut '90s crimson. Having spoken with him at length and also listenned to "1000 Years" quite a bit (IMO this is THE definitive stick recording to date--not without some filler/experimental tracks I don't find very interesting--but with enough that stands out that I'd readily recommend it)... He felt Levin's approach to the stick was that there were "only two good strings to play." Levin is predominantly a bassist, who uses the stick as a bass instrument, whereas Gunn--if you hear the Fripp String Quartet, -- or even some stuff I didn't realize *wasn't* Fripp from the Fripp/Sylvian -- uses the instrument alternating between three applications: as a bass instrument, as a chordal/textural instrument, and as a lead melody; often Gunn combines these areas... Fripp, apparently, then--from what I gather--intends to draw on Gunn as much as another lead and textural voice--as a bassist; what's complimentary about Gunn and Levin is--Levin will really be the main bassist in the band--whereas Gunn will have more room to work with Fripp and Belew on an equal footing instrumentally in the higher registers. So from what Gunn said, it seems Levin will be quite happy to be the "earthbound" anchor -- and Pat Mastellato is apparently noted (I haven't really listenned to his work closely) for being a great groove drummer -- whereas Bruford is interested in embellishing, more along the lines of Jamie Muir... Bruford seemed quite pleased about the arrangement--I suppose anything would be better than having to tiptoe around the bombast of Allan White--Bruford mentioned he's played with other drummers on a number of tours--i.e. Phil Collins; he was genuinely excited by the new Crimson arrangement, and the prospect of working with Pat -- he said the "Rehearsal" EP was just "incredibly smoking" or some such. At any rate, all the conversation has got me curious as hell for a listen -- this is going to be a quite busy bout of orchestrated mayem-- as Belew, Fripp, Gunn, and Bruford may well all be melodic/chordal voices in the upper registers; that sort of ambition reminds me of an earlier incarnation which included Mel Collins and Keith Tippett--and for me, left an indelible stamp on the artistic frontiers of late 60s rock... Yours chillin' beneath that sheltering sky--Hoardman. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 13:38:53 -0500 From: nash at chem dot wisc dot edu (John R. Nash) Subject: World Cup, Frame By Frame.... It was a good weekend for hearing KC-related music, it seems. Not only did I hear Belew's "Futurevision" over the PA at Best Buy, but I also heard some Crimso while watching the World Cup. At the end of ABC's coverage of ROM-SWE, they showed a video montage of highlights of the Cup so far, set to "Frame by Frame." -===-John R. Nash-==-nash at chem dot wisc dot edu-==-UW-Madison Chem. Dept-===- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 00:40:49 -0400 From: "David Oliver" Subject: Fripp+Flea "collaboration" Some mention in Discipline #142 about a collaboration between Flea of Red Hot Chili Peppers, Kurt Cobain of Nirvana, and Robert Fripp. Well, actuallyt Fripp, Flea, and East Bay Ray (of Dead Kennedys) have done some work on a brand-spanking new album of Rai music. Rai is a North African, and usually Morroccan/Algerian, genre of music. On a new album by Cheikha Rimitti (or as the album says, just Rimitti) called _Sidi Mansour_ has come out just recently. I got mine at HMV here in Toronto, Ontario for CDN$20.99. And it is just Wonderful! Fripp does not add too much to the first half, the only part I've listened to so far, and his solo on the first track is buried in the mix. Great little solo, though. For those interested in world music and specifically North African and Rai, I urge you to grab it while you can. It's beautiful. Tomorrow I will probably listen to the whole thing to see if there's any more Fripp. But I like it anyway. Dave Oliver (yku01367 at yorku dot ca) Info: title: Sidi Mansour artist: Rimitti label: Absolute Records order#: ABSOLCD 2 UPC: 3-356576-712364 (C):1994 (this is either the label's or the distributor's address, it is unclear on the package) address: 15 Rue Des Goulvents 92000 Nanterre, France phone: (1) 41 20 90 50 fax: (1) 47 25 00 99 distribution: media 7 BTW: I just happened to find this (only copy!! heh heh...) if the Fripp section at HMV while looking for the Robert Fripp String Quartet CD. Is this out yet? There was a review in WIRED 2.07. Cheers, and happy hunting!~ -Dave [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: ez045395 at chip dot ucdavis dot edu Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 01:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hi, i'm..er...new here... Hello, everyone-- i just subscribed to this list, as i was just made aware of it's existence. i have several questions, most of which will have to wait, but one can't wait. Does anyone know if A. Belew will be playing anytime soon in the San Francisco Bay Area or Sacramento, CA? I saw him in '92, at the Crest Theatre in Sac, and it was absolutely incredible!!! i'd love to see him again, but the Chronicle hasn't had any ads lately that he'll be playing (probably because i haven't picked up the Chron in a couple of weeks...). News (from this list) that he played in San Diego spurs hope that he may come to No. CA. Anybody got any news??? Thanks! Helen hehanson at ucdavis dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 17:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Samuel H Theiner Subject: Re: Discipline 142 > [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] > > From: "David Altemir" > Date: 5 Jul 1994 9:03:32 CDT6CST > Subject: Re: Strings > > In Discipline 140 Ron Peterson writes > > > So when a > >string gets close to it's breaking point what actually causes it to break? > >A physicist might say that it's a quantum fluctuation. ..... Or, it seems possible that > >the thought of a human being might exist on that same quantum level and > >could cause changes at that level. The sum of all the fluctuations in > >existance at any moment is what determines what happens. > > >> The > >>reason there is an "indeterminacy" in the breakage point of a steel string > >>has more to do with the varaiations in the both the material comprising the > >>string and it's diameter.... Similarly, impurities in the steel composition > >>will alter the yield strength of the string locally, thereby leading to > >>"weak" spots in the string. > > Well, I'm a materials scientist and I'm intrigued by the recent turn this > KC newsletter has taken into the field of materials. But, the failure of a > guitar string has more to do with the distribution of existing microvoids > in the material and inconsistencies in the manufacturing of the string > (i.e., uneven heat treatment, variations in cold work, etc.) than just > changes in diameter and impurity concentrations. And let's not forget about flaws in the architecture of the guitar. And how about playing reeealy, reeeealy hard? 8-) Seriously, both these postings are absolutely true, but fail to give EXTERNAL causes for string breakage. No matter how perfect a string is, if you play it hard enough, it will break. (Or maybe, if it were possible to actually create a string with 0.0% defect, it would be impossible to break. Or it might disappear in a puff of logic...8-) How about we just say something vague (like a politician) such as "strings break due to a variety of stresses" and get back to Crimso discussions. -Sam [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: dhollist at iphase dot com (David Hollister) Subject: Unpronouncable Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 12:30:21 -0500 (CDT) Hey all. I've been lurking on the list for a little while and I'm curious... I've been a Crimson fan for about 10 years now. Shortly after I started getting into them, they broke up. I had heard word that a live album was supposedly in the works to follow Three of a Perfect Pair. While in a collectable type record shop one day, I saw up on the wall this album "Unpronouncable" which is a purple cover with a yellow picture of the impossible three-pronged illusion (whatever you call it). Sure enough, it's a live album. The sound quality is not good. It is put out by EG records. I presume it was released in early 1985. I of course bought it. Since then, though, I have never seen nor heard of any other copies of this record. Anybody else out there own this? Can anybody provide more details about it? Is it of any value? I've only played it about 5 times and it is in pretty much mint condition. I guess that purchase makes up for the complete idiocy I must have been experiencing when I sold my LP of Earthbound :( -- David Hollister Software Engineering dhollist at iphase dot com Interphase Corp. Dallas, TX 214-919-9303 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: KEN dot STUART at tigerteam dot org (KEN STUART) Subject: New Fripp/Orb album soo Date: Sun, 17 Jul 1994 18:28:00 GMT Organization: Tiger Team Information Network (510) 268-0102 Hello, We'll take this in chronological order (patience, patience :-) ). >Here's a few tantalizing bits of info on the new Crimson mini-CD called >"Frooom" or "Vrooom" depending on who you talk to. I couldn't help but note that if "Vrooom" were a German word, it would be pronounced "Frooom". :-) Also in #139 (I'm just catching up :-) ), someone mentioned that the new KC would be more popular because of Belew, Levin and Sylvian. Well, looking at sales and generally the number of people who know they exist :-), I would say that Belew's and Levin's popularity each are like 1% of Sylvian's. If there is any popularity to this KC than the last, then it will be due to the "First Day". However, in turn, Sylvian's popularity is like 10% of Bowie, so if the Bowie/Fripp/Eno album comes out before KC's, then that could make the most difference. Someone mentions about the Darshan single: >- One side is said to be mixed by the Grid, the other is titled >Darashna and additionally mixed by the Future Sound of London. > >- The credits are to Fripp/Sylvian/Gunn/ *Cobain* /(forgotten name): >who the frig is this Cobain? Cobain is Gary Cobain, one of the two members of Future Sound of London. Fripp appears on one track of their new 2-CD album "Lifeforms" BUT Ozric Tentacles ALSO appear on the same track, so good luck trying to figure out what's Fripp - as with the Orb stuff, the music is heavily processed, which it makes difficult to figure out who is what. My opinion about Lifeforms; the closest thing I could compare it to is Tangerine Dream's early album "Alpha Centauri" or some of Klaus Schulze's early work, in that there is a lot of atonal sounds/noises that convey the sense of "lifeforms" on another world. At first hearing, the music seems like ambient wallpaper, BUT I find that one only gets something out of it by concentrating on the music, ie not at all like "Music for Airports". Good for a late night drive.... My rating - 8/10. I'm much more enthusiastic about the FFWD album due out soon (Fripp/Fehlmann/Weston/Dr.Patterson)(see below). Clearly Fripp is an integral part, here. It is my understanding that this album was recorded earlier and held up so that it would not be released on the Orb's previous label Big Life, whom they have finally gotten clear of. Dr. Alex Patterson of the Orb used to be an A/R guy at the infamous E'G Records while Fripp was still under contract to them. The new Orb album "Pommes Fritz" is due soon as well, undoubtedly also recorded earlier as well. There is supposedly a "Fripp vs. The Orb" album in the can as well. Undoubtedly The Orb are wrestling with whether or not they should release an entire two years worth of music all this summer or not... For those who aren't aware (most everyone in the US), the Orb's music is a combination of "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts", Schulze/Ash Ra space music, and reggae dub music. In August 1992, their second album "U.F.Orb" hit number one on the UK album charts, undoutedly the most unconventional non-pop album to ever do so. Since the people who compile the charts define a "single" as "under 40 minutes", they released a 17 minute track from the album as a single, but lengthened it to 39:58 ! and it also did very well in the charts. I sent the following out to Discipline on July 1, but all mail on that day from this site got destroyed, so here it is again: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is the release info on one of two The_Orb/Fripp albums, from the "IDM" (Intelligent Dance Music) list: Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 00:32:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "flu'id (floo'-)" Subject: Orb on Orb To: IDM Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: idm-owner at techno dot Stanford dot EDU Thought this might be interesting, Kris Weston on FFWD: Album with Fripp is called FFWD and is released on 3rd week in August on Inter/modo/island and 50 other record companies so the cash is spread over as many fat gutted record company bastards as possible. Only joking, except about the album bit that is. Kris _______ (__,-, \ / /\ \ f l u i d /,_) \ \ flu'id (floo'-) (/ \\ brit at chopin dot udel dot edu :65 FD F9 9F F2 23 F8 CF: \) fluid at freezer dot cns dot udel dot edu :80 9C 11 AA 9F 92 0D 27: PS From Ken: all of the above e-mail addresses have changed in the last two weeks, so if you are interested in IDM, e-mail me for the current address, or for more info on The Orb, FSOL, etc. PPS E-mail can be confusing - fluid is NOT Kris Weston, he was forwarding Kris' message. Kris (of the Orb and FFWD) DOES post to alt.exotic-music, though. --- * UniQWK v2.0 * The Windows Mail Reader / Tiger Team Buddhist Information Network / / Modem (510) 268-0102 info at tigerteam dot org / [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 23:37:17 -0500 From: nash at chem dot wisc dot edu (John R. Nash) Subject: Bruford World Cup, part II OK, I think we have a Bruford fan working at ABC Sports... First we had "Frame by Frame" in one of the video clip montages. The US viewers of the Cup final know that the opening commentary was set to the tune of ABWH's "Order of the Universe." Nice to hear Bruford with a bit of exposure... -john nash -===-John R. Nash-==-nash at chem dot wisc dot edu-==-UW-Madison Chem. Dept-===- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 19:15:54 -0500 (EST) From: MOONLIT KNIGHT Subject: Tony Levin conversation Spoke briefly with Levin at the Great Woods WOMAD show, although his whole family was there and he was chasing his daughter, etc. He signed my Plus from Us, and when I asked about KC he said they're going to Argentienia at the end of August/behinnin of September, and that they won't tour the States until summer 1995. He said "So we have a year to get it together." My impression from what he said was that the EP really is just a quickie of sorts, that the band really does have to get to wheree they are producing the music that they really want to. Jeff [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 10:42:01 -0400 (EDT) From: terry kroetsch f Subject: Weird/Rarities Can anyone help me find a CD orcassette copy of ELP Rarities (Japanese?) and/or Weird Person's Guide to King Crimson? I am desperate and would KILL to hear these...Also, I hope someone transcribes Bill Bruford's great interview from Progression Magazine. I don't have the time. If someone thinks they can do it, I can send a copy of the interview... Thanks P.S. I have that WONDERFUL 1969-70 BBC In the Court of the Crimson King performance (that one song) but is there more from that session? And nothing from Wake of Poseidon performed live EVER? [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 31 Jul 94 13:53:15 EDT From: Patrick Keane Subject: new crimp Friends, September issue of "Guitar Player", Fret Wire-ROYAL RETURN: The new, improved King Crimson--Adrian Belew, Robert Fripp, Stick player Trey Gunn, bassist Tony Levin, and drummers Pat Mastelloto and Bill Bruford--has emerged from three weeks in a Woodstock, New York, recording studio with a new Japan-only mini-CD release and plan to tour. According to Adrian Belew, who's currently touring in support of his superb solo LP Here, the band re- corded three songs, a few instrumental pieces, and "a couple of blows, where everyone's just going wild." To "get the ball rolling," Crimson will embark on a five-week tour of Argentina this fall, followed by a stay at Peter Gabriel's Real World Studios in Bath, England, where the band will record a full album for worldwide release in April '95. "The stuff is incredible," says Belew. "We took it from where it left off, but already it's gone some- where new>" pk [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 21:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: Lexicon JamMan > do my best to quell. Lately I have been thinking about the lexicon JamMan > which seems an inexpensive way to get into Frippertronics(r) > or maybe more correctly Gunnertronics. Anyone out there tried this? Will a guitarist's answer suffice? Yes, it is a great way to mimic Frippertonics. I've only had the JamMan for a couple of weeks (got my 32 second up grade today!) and am still searching for my "voice" through it--I love Fripp, but I don't want to mindlessly copy his innovation. Like all effect processors, the JamMan has it's weak points (MIDI implementation), but is quite useful in many respects. I'm looking forward to trying live, on-the-fly, looping. If you have any specific questions, I'd be glad to try and answer them. Matt McCabe Able Cain finley at ecst dot csuchico dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 27 Jun 1994 15:07:21 U From: "Jessup, Andrew" Subject: USA/new line-up To: "Discipline newsletter" Re: USA--The second edition: My guess is that this would be a single-disc sampler from the Great Deceiver box (similar to the relationship between the Concise KC and Frame by Frame). If so, I'd say it's about even odds that it would consist entirely of the Providence show (basically, disc one of Great Deceiver with Schizoid Man substituted for the track Providence). Mind you, this isn't necessarily what I'm hoping for -- I'd rather have some live material from the 80's band. Re: The new sextet line-up: In light of the comments Fripp made in the 1984 Musician interview about tensions within KC (specifically about Bruford's unwillingness to supply a basic pulse, generally about feeling forced by all the others to be the musical "ground" upon which they could build, but not being offered the opportunity in kind), it strikes me that what they've done is gone out and gotten a rhythm section. If this is the general idea, one wonders how Trey and Pat (?) will feel about having to remain earthbound... [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] ----- ADMINISTRIVIA ----- ** POSTINGS Please send all postings to Toby Howard, at toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk. ** SUBSCRIPTIONS/ADDRESS CHANGES USA subscribers: please contact Ken Bibb at discipline-request at arastar dot com. 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