Reply-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Discipline #136 D I S C I P L I N E The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 136, Monday, 23 May 1994 Today's Topics: Welcome to Discipline A little techie tidbit Various and Sunday Is Belew on tour? Tony Levin Phantom Stick Player Exposure/new KC What's age got to do with it? New Stick Mailing List WEEKLY WEIRD NEWS predictions Don't believe all that you read 4 hands, 2 drummers musings on ticket prices New ORB Re: Fripp's musical death Re: Future Sound of London remixes and "exposure" book of saturday Eleven Improvisations [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: d dot zemel at genie dot geis dot com Date: Thu, 12 May 94 23:31:00 UTC Subject: Welcome to Discipline Hello to all! I'm new to Discipline and, first of all, I want to say how much I love the moderated e-mail format as opposed to the general disbursement of all kinds of letters to a mailing list. Secondly, I was very into the first two King Crimson albums when they first came out but, for some reason, never followed up any of their others. I got back into them as a result of a serious attack of Belewmania! I was driving one day, listening to the local college station and heard a song that prompted me to head to a phone to call the station to find out who that was. It was Adrian and I've gone nuts over him ever since. First I slowly accumulated the solo stuff, on CD where available, otherwise on vinyl. Then it was the Bears and then King Crimson. Finally came the stuff that Adrian was even marginally involved with---The Raisins, Psychodots, the odd album here and there that Adrian plays on and so on! (I take it that everyone's aware of his playing on the new Nine Inch Nails and the upcoming Laurie Anderson.) WOW! I've seen him twice in concert, both times in the same small club in Milwaukee where we were able to talk with him, get autographs and so on after the show. The last show I saw (the acoustic tour with the questions and answers), he mentioned the new King Crimson quite a bit (and played some snippets he had written for the new album) and said that Jerry Marotta was playing drums because, both being strong minded creative artists, there is quite a bit of tension between Bill Bruford and Robert. As a result, I'm a bit surprised about the inclusion of Bruford and the omission of Marotta in the recent mentions of the new lineup. Can anyone explain? As for Adrian's new album, it is indeed entitled HERE and it is absolutely outstanding. Very pop and not experimental. Everyone I know who's heard it thinks the music is nothing short of incredible (he plays everything, sings everything, wrote everything and produced everything) although I know someone who doesn't get into the overt "tree hugger" lyrics (as he describes it) of some of the songs. For me, those songs are just fine because I've had more than my share of people like Rush Limbaugh and the other ultra conservative troublemakers so nice "liberal" songs are welcome in my book. The new album is distributed by Caroline, on the new "Adrian Belew Presents" label. By the way, Adrian told us that he started out as a drummer and even played drums for a few songs at the first show I saw him at (with Rob Fetters and others). Well TTFN.... [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: pvallado at sdcc5 dot UCSD dot EDU (Paolo Valladolid) Subject: A little techie tidbit Date: Thu, 12 May 94 18:27:57 PDT I was looking throught Manny's Mailbox Music Catalog and I encountered a little blurb about the Tech 21 SansAmp PSA-1 (programable solid state preamp with tube emulation circuitry - really does sound like a tube amp from what I've heard in Mike Keneally's _hat_). It starts off like this: "Now on tour with Bryan Adams, Keith Scott, King Crimson..." -- Paolo Valladolid pvallado at sdcc5 dot ucsd dot edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet newsletter |\ |dedicated to the discussion of music technology as applied to | | |guitar and other stringed intruments. To subscribe, send email | | ----------------------------------------------------------------- | \ \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: heck at husc dot harvard dot edu Subject: Various and Sunday Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 01:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Well, that was a typo, actually--but, having made it, let me just say that I'm personally a big fan of that album.... Has there been any news at all of plans for a new Toyah album? If RF is reading, maybe he could ask her to tell us all? Please? Anyway, it's been a while since I posted, so let me start by saying that I'm thrilled to death about Bruford's (reported) inclusion in Crimson. I've been dreaming of such a line-up, remininscent of _Larks' Tongues_, for some time, but didn't dare expect it. And let me add my voice, too, to the chorus asking at least for a _limited_ US release of the Crimson EP, say, about 400 or so copies for readers of a certain familiar newsletter? I did think, as one poster put it, that Bruford seemed uninspired on the _Union_ tour. But, surely, that is all to his credit. That tour, IMHO, was totally disappointing, completely uninteresting musically, and made all the worse by an audience who couldn't tell musical ability for their lives. Bruford's most recent projects, admittedly, have been less than wholly successful. The Symphonic Yes thing was an interesting idea, but it didn't really fly--those things never have. Maybe one will. Who knows? But his work on _Door X_ was, to my mind, great, and his playing on Howe's _Turbulence_ is what saves that album. The live Earthworks album would be a tour de force (I was there, I know), if only it would be _released_. What's been lacking in his recent rock ventures, to my mind, is a band that can keep up with Bruford: And, to my mind, having solid musicians around one is absolutely crucial if a drummer is to perform. Drums, more than any other instrument, seem to _need_ other instruments off which to play. But even ABWH (which had its moments), though conceivably up to his standard, musically, was never an appropriate venue, because they didn't record together, but in studios scattered across the planet. (What might have been, by the way, is apparent on their live set: BUY IT!) The last time he was with anything like a 'rock' group who could play, and who gave themselves a chance to play, was on _Cloud About Mercury_, and there should be no disagreement about _that_ album's success. Hopefully, then, this version of Crimson will not only give Bruford an outfit his playing--if really let loose--will not simply overpower. It'll be great! All of that said, let me ask UK readers of _Discipline_ for a bit of help. I have the great good fortune to be going to London later this month and intend to do some _serious_ record shopping. I understand that new vinyl is still widely available, but what I'd really like to do is look for some good used stuff. I'm familiar enough with the town itself, but don't know much aobut the used vinyl scene. So can people direct me to a few favorite places where I might, say, be not totally unlikely to find a used copy of _Kneeling at the Shrine_, or _The First Day_, or some such thing? Cheers, Richard [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: "Mathews, Thomas J." Subject: Is Belew on tour? Date: Fri, 13 May 94 12:41:00 EST Eeeeek. I read last night that Adrian Belew is playing in Washington, DC in about three weeks. What a schedule he keeps. Is this a tour? I'm amazed that I didn't hear about this on this list before reading it in the local City Paper. /// I'm all for the twosome approach for the new KC. Sure hope they get to make a Doublemint Gum Commercial so they can make some real dough. ( Sure hope I get a cut for having such a great idea. ;) ) tj tjm4 at nch08a dot em dot cdc dot gov [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 12:58:37 -0400 (EDT) From: TAVARESAC at VAX dot ETOWN dot EDU Subject: Tony Levin Hi there! I know this subject may have been discussed already, but I need some information! Where can I get a discography of Levin and/or general information on his work? Any info would be greatly appreciated! If this subject has been discussed already on the list, could anyone send me private e-mail? Thanks, Andre Tavares tavaresac at vax dot etown dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Jeremy Ballard Bergsman Subject: Phantom Stick Player Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 10:31:22 -0700 (PDT) > >> I have (at least!) one question for now: late last year, I was shopping in > >> Oxford's Cornmarket, when I came across a busker who was playing and > >> advertising the Chapman Stick > > My bet is that it was Jim Lampi, an American stick player who has done > > some high profile busking in Denmark Street (London's main instrument > > shop street) paid for by the shops there. > > I saw this guy too, both in Oxford and (of all places) Bangor. It > DEFINITELY wasn't Jim Lampi, who I've met and been staggered by. This > stickist was younger (maybe 25ish, no more than 30) and had a tanned > complexion and shoulder-length hair. He was from California, and was > playing through 2 pignoses. Does this help any? There is a guy who plays the stick here in Mountain View, CA whose name is Bob Culbertson. He plays at Foggs every week. He has long, blond hair, is tan, and looks fairly young at first. Up close he looks more like he is in his mid to late 30's, which is consistant with his statement that he has been playing the stick for 18 years (?I think that's what he said.). He seemed to be doing mostly 70's and 80's rock covers. He also would sometimes play a few percussion instruments and a pedal-keyboard at the same time as the stick. Jeremy Bergsman jeremybb at leland dot stanford dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 11:13:26 -0700 From: Malcolm Humes Subject: Exposure/new KC >Subject: Hammill on Exposure CD; Sacred Songs? > Exposure was released on CD as EGCD41 with Hammill providing vocals on > "Disengage", presumably before the "Definitive Edition" was created. BTW, nobody called me on it (yet) but I think I was very wrong in part of my comments about Exposure/Daryl Hall vs. Hammill. I hadn't heard the Definitive version until a few days after posting that. I was under the impression that there were a number of songs with Daryl Hall's voice that had been cut and re-recorded (this part is indeed true, I think) and from lizard-man's post I assumed that perhaps Hall was on more tracks on the Definitive release than he is actually on. Hammill is indeed there. Not sure what's up with the versions of Disengage, I haven't had a good opportunity to compare them. Now can anyone imagine Daryl Hall singing in the new Crimson? I'll admit I never liked the guy much, but it wasn't until recently that I noticed (through Tamm and the cd cover) that Hall co-wrote much of Exposure - and I don't think that was just in words because he even gets credit on songs where the words are credited to Hammill or others. The version of "Exposure" performed live in the Fripp/Sylvian tour was certainly interesting. On the japanese recording I heard it sounds like the recording at the start is different. Other than the obvious part of it being spoken by a woman (Sylvian's wife?) instead of J.G. Bennett, it sounds to me as though the new recording says something like "...achieve pain without suffering" while the Bennett clip was, I think "... achieve the aim...." Perhaps it's just hard to hear the recording. I'm looking forward to the live Sylvian/Fripp release - the japanese show reflects a lot of Michael Brook's funky wah rhythm guitar, which is something that wasn't in the cd versions of the songs and was way low in the mix in the concert in Berkeley. Chad C. Beesley sez: > Secondly, I will not get excited about an 'impending' King Crimson return. Heretic! Hey, someone unsubscribe this guy! :^) > THE FIRST ISSUE MENTIONS AN IMPENDING CRIMSO RETURN! > That was about 6 years ago. Nope. Maybe 2+? I haven't had this job for 3 years yet and I saw the birth of Discipline from here... point is taken though, we've heard a lot of hype from Fripp and Belew over the last couple of years, but we've also heard some good reasons for the delay - the death of Fripp's mother seems to have had a major impact on Mr. Fripp's life and it's not surprising it has altered his career plans. Anyway, I think Discipline turns 3 years old later this year - looks like mid august. That puts the reforming Crimson rumors at 3 years old this summer. Three years since Fripp's Goldmine interview or Rolling Stone announcement where he said it would happen. And Fripp seems to have a thing for the number 3. I see no reason to doubt that Fripp is serious about following through or that they are really headed to the studio now as planned. Let's just hope we don't have some tragic plane crash in Argentina or a missing flight over the Bermuda Triangle. > I won't get my hopes up again. Until I see > an album or there is a ticket in my hand, I just won't believe it. Or as Flavor Flav sez, "Don't believe the hype!" But I believe it. It's happening. Fripp is just prolonging the process - some foreplay, foreshadowing - Fripp probably stopped along the way somewhere to take a few classes on psychology and marketing. Personally I believe the Japan only EP is just another poke at the "collectors" market that Robert seems to like to tease of late... - malcolm [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: 13 May 94 09:41:05 CST From: BLAIR at PRINTING dot UWEX dot EDU Subject: What's age got to do with it? Organization: University of Wisconsin-Extension Ottar Isberg wrote: >Fripp will be 48 when the record finally comes out which is rather >high for a creative musician. In my opinion this is a rather high >age to be creative. IN the age 20-30 the best work is usually done Oh boy...I've been a silent subscriber to this list for many months, but now I must speak my mind!!!! I've been listening to KC since 1984 or so, and I was young then and may have said something to that effect back then(I doubt it though)...but a comment like that cannot go unnoticed! What if Fripp were to read that? He'd probably blow it off anyway but I have a feeling that Ottar Isberg falls in between 20 and 30 yrs., whilst those of us over_that_ hill are perhaps inclined to disagree with his opinion. I do appreciate Ottar's comment though, because in got me to finally post with the list. Out of curiosity, what might be the average age of Discipline sub- scribers? I might be 33 and climbing..... Artists never lose their creativity IMHO, it just changes with time, as they grow, so does their style. In such a subjective industry I suppose anything is possible though... 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It is also > possible to have links to files accessible by services such as ftp and > gopher. Probably the most common WWW browser is xmosaic which is > freely available from the NCSA. > > cheers > Dave > > Dave Snowdon > Communications Research Group Tel: +44 (0)602 514226 > Department of Computer Science Fax: +44 (0)602 514254 > The University of Nottingham E-mail: dns at cs dot nott dot ac dot uk > Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK > > "This mind intentionally left blank" > -- Paolo Valladolid pvallado at sdcc5 dot ucsd dot edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet newsletter |\ |dedicated to the discussion of music technology as applied to | | |guitar and other stringed intruments. To subscribe, send email | | ----------------------------------------------------------------- | \ \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 16:39:20 -0700 From: Malcolm Humes Subject: WEEKLY WEIRD NEWS predictions and now for something completely different: Malcolm's pseudo-psychick WEEKLY WEIRD NEWS predictions for the new KC: the new EP will have 3 songs (1) followed by a full length CD (2) followed by a live cd of the tour (3) The new band will have: 3 drummers (Bill, Pat and Adrian) up to 6 hands fretting notes (2 sticks and 2 guitars) some of the music will function as a double trio, playing against each other. 3 artists will be chosen to do remixes of the CD5 to hold us over until the tour and the full length disc. (Brian Eno, The Orb and Ryuichi Sakamoto?) The three lps by the new band will in some ways touch on themes of "the head, the heart and the hands". The concept theme of the new KC release will be inter-connectivity, with songs about networking, sockets, hypertext, bandwidth, rebooting and computer sex. Fripp will profess a new revolution in music - the musical equivalent of hypertext. Songs with multiple and randomizable entry points and changes. The CD-Rom version will include all of Fripp's tour diaries to date, with hypertext links densely threaded by topics such as E.G., Bruford, and critics and concert reviews. David Lynch will produce the next KC video and multi-media production. The Virtual-Reality King Crimson game/experience will get pulled from the market after an aging hippie dies in fright from using LSD with the product. Lynch and Fripp will collaborate on an amusement installation at the Real World Amusement Park titled "In the belly of the Crimson King" that fuses the story of Jonah and the Whale with Hershell Gordon Lewis's 2000 Maniacs gore film. Joe Bob Briggs will be the MC for the opening ceremony. Bill Bruford will bring a real gamelan and tibeten bells to KC before he retires to a monestary after whacking Fripp with a bullroarer. Marc Anderson >from Steve Tibbetts band will replace Bruford... Tony Levin will join the "hair-club for men" and start appearing on late-night infomercials on TV. He'll do a solo collaboration with Genesis P-Orridge and William S. Burroughs. Fripp will come out of the closet with his intense addiction to chocolates, as alluded to in the interview between Fripp and McLaughlin some years ago. He drops out in mid-tour to enter a 30 day rehab program. During the 12-step program he swears off Gurdieff and Bennett and turns Mormon. Belew will get arrested with a minor in a hotel room with police raiding the room and seizing videos - Belew will be known as the Rob Lowe of the 90's and will be sentenced to do time but jumps bail and moves to europe (a la Polanski) and can never enter or tour the US again. (c) May 13,1994 WEEKLY WEIRD NEWS (I didn't write this, it was channeled to me by Shirley MacLaine, who was using the Ouija board that Fripp threw in the East River years ago.) - malcolm [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: MikelBiko at aol dot com Date: Sat, 14 May 94 04:21:11 EDT Subject: Don't believe all that you read Despite recent assertions that Bruford is back, I have yet to begin to believe. My first impression was that it was a mistake, and I have seen nothing yet that would lead me to believe otherwise. Doesn't all this talk about BB back in the band stem from some magazine article? Has it been confirmed anywhere else? I wouldn't put it past the articles' author to be confused, and picking the wrong name out of the hat. Fripp has stated in an interview last year that until Bruford's out of the clutches of EG Management, he will be unable to work with him, and I don't believe that has been resolved. Although Robert appears to have finished with his crusade against EG, I doubt he was being flippant when he said he couldn't work with BB while he was under contract to them. Anyone got any reliable data? [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: jneumann at mcs dot kent dot edu (John Neumann) Subject: 4 hands, 2 drummers Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 09:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Douglas Miller says: > Pat must be there for the backbeat, so that Bill can go mad whenever he wants. Actually, I bet that's not the case, at least not all of the time. Stravinsky wrote much of his chamber music with pairs of instruments from the same family, e.g. "The Soldier's Tale", with violin and upright bass, clarinet and bassoon, etc. Given Fripp's obsession with patterns and symmetry it makes sense that he might form a group with 2 guitars, 2 bass (or stick), and 2 drummers. For example, on "Discipline", Adrian and Robert play a 5/4 figure while Bill and Tony do a 17/8 figure at the same time. Someone a few issues back hoped that the 2 drummers would use the same sort of interplay that Fripp and Belew used. I don't think this is far-fetched. If the two sticks also have parts like this, the result should be wild! Think of the stereo sensation. John Neumann [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 20:16:28 -0500 From: nash at chem dot wisc dot edu (John R. Nash) Subject: musings on ticket prices With the current epidemic of reunions, there has been a lot of discussion in the media about spiraling ticket prices. Since there is an impending "reunion" tour of King Crimson coming sometime soon, it seems relevant to wonder how much ticket prices are likely to be. I have never seen King Crimson live. I hope to change that soon. Does anyone remember what the average ticket price was the last time Crimso toured? How about tickets for Sylvian/Fripp? My feeling is that they would be in the range of $25-$35. As far as I've seen, the band has never gone for extravagant sets with laser holography and flying pigs attacking the audience, so that would tend to keep costs down somewhat. My feelings on the matter of the "show" vs. the "music": my favorite concert videos are Stop Making Sense and Three of a Perfect Pair Live in Japan, both of which had minimal "special effects." Pink Floyd, U2, and Genesis are supposed to go all out with their shows; I don't mind paying extra for such an extravaganza (if I can even get tickets). I hope that Crimso will continue to show restraint in the staging of their show. A final note: they're charging $119 for all reserved seats for the Eagles reunion tour (at the Apline Valley date, at any rate). For that price, the group _better_ be actually freezing over Hell during the performance. I'll give it a miss. -===-John R. Nash-==-nash at chem dot wisc dot edu-==-UW-Madison Chem. Dept-===- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 10:04:36 +0200 From: E dot Roos at BURO dot KUN dot nl Subject: New ORB Hi all. In the list of new releases I read that in the UK on May 31 the new Orb-album called 'Pomme Fritz' will be released. Does anyone know if this is the album on which mr. Fripp plays? --Eric [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: ottari at ismennt dot is (Ottar Isberg) Subject: Re: Fripp's musical death Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 21:19:47 +0000 (GMT) Thank you all for paying attention to my article on Fripps age or rather musical age. Let's just hope he will read this in time and counteract (that is play some thrilling music). He has been playing music therories for the last decade but with a hint of an afterglow on the new Silvian&Fripp album which shows that the light is on. With two drummers we can expect some crazy duels between Marotta (or was it the other one) and Bill Bruford on stage (remember Chester Thompson and Phil Collins thank you OrnOrrason [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 19 May 94 00:36:01 BST From: br at inf dot rl dot ac dot uk Subject: Re: Future Sound of London Ken>Phil> Last night on the UK's radio 3, there was a session from Ken>Phil> The Future Sound of London (I know they sound like a Ken>Phil> god-awful UK dance-mix-crap outfit :-) ... a newish Ken>Phil> electronic music bunch from, guess where, London. They Ken>Phil> played a 30 minute set of electronic ambience (quite Ken>Phil> good) that had a really nice section of Frippertronics Ken>Phil> in it. This Saturday, they are giving a live performance Ken>Phil> on the UK's Radio 1 (terrible popular chart radio) and Ken>Phil> Fripp is going to be playing with them. Well worth Ken>Phil> checking out. Wish I'd heard that first broadcast. I heard the Saturday one, and, well FSoL sounded just like the Orb to me. I quite like the Orb, so was quite happy... but what little Frippery there was in the 2-hour broadcast came across like just another sample. Lots of very pleasant, mellow sounds, just less Fripp than I was hoping for. FSoL appeared to broadcast for two hours non-stop, but that damn deejay wothisname kept interrupting on every half-hour, either just to tell us we were listening to Radio 1 (which I knew, though perhaps some of the audience may well have forgotten this since his last interruption:-) or for a news bulletin (which I'd heard umpteen times already). Most intrusive, and not at all inducive to the "chill out" that we were evidently supposed to experience (or perform, I'm not quite up on all this new-fangled jargon...) I suppose this half-hourly interruption would be a boon to anyone who'd sat by their lofi with a couple of C60's :-) (Me, I used a video...shame my tuner's crap.) The concert started with a treated voice spouting some load of gibberish about being a multimedia broadcast and how you could log in on phone number (given precisely once, I believe) and receive visual images. Assuming it was all part of the "let's sound terrifically state-of-the-art" facade, I ignored it. Only to read in today's NME that it was true! And (as the dj said) they were broadcasting live from their own (non BBC) studio, down some digital transmission line to the Beeb. So was it? Or were NME just falling for the bull? Did anyone else try this? Cheers, Brian [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 19 May 94 15:22:41 -0700 From: David A. Craig Subject: remixes and "exposure" i am thoroughly confused. i have two copies of the exposure cd, one from when it was very first issued, and a definitive edition. both credit hamil for vocals on "disengage", and both versions are indeed the same, and in fact rthe same rather disturbing track i recall from the lp (but i no longer own a turntable so i can't verify that last). yet people have claimed the definitive edition contains a remixed version with daryl hall doing a less grating version of "disengage" ? somebody please explain! david [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 19 May 94 15:37:37 -0700 From: David A. Craig Subject: Book of Saturday i would be interested in getting information about this, what is it, "fanzine"? what do people think of it? anyhting worth pursuing? also, are there any other such things worth knowing about? [[ You can contact Book of Saturday direct at 2 Greenhills, Leeds LS19 6NP United Kingdom Tel: 0532 506433 -- Toby ]] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 20 May 94 15:57:51 PDT From: John Relph Subject: Eleven Improvisations I recently saw a new bootleg CD at a record store. It's called _eleven improvisations_, by Robert Fripp, a recording of Frippertronics from London in 1987. Has anybody heard this CD? If so, is the sound quality good? I might buy it if the sound quality is good enough. Here's the info from the Fripp discography: 1993 Nov 12? Robert Fripp: eleven improvisations Bootleg, recorded live in London, England, January 8, 1987. 7'29 Improvisation #001 8'04 Improvisation #002 5'14 Improvisation #003 1'38 Improvisation #004 5'02 Improvisation #005 14'03 Improvisation #006 16'11 Improvisation #007 2'38 Improvisation #008 1'52 Improvisation #009 9.24 Improvisation #010 3'44 Improvisation #011 CD EU? MooNCHILD 931112 Keep your eyes open. -- John -- http://idaho.ig.com/~relph/jmr.html [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] To join this mailing list or have your thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to Toby Howard at the following address: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk The Discipline archives are available on ftp.uwp.edu, in /pub/music/lists/discipline. The views expressed in Discipline are those of the individual authors only.