Reply-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Discipline #126 D I S C I P L I N E The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 126, Friday, 25 February 1994 Today's Topics: Re: Crunchy Frog The naming of Larks' Tongues in Aspic Re: The Deep Mystery of SARTORI Revealed. Re: Discipline #125 Cheerful Larks' Tongues (Re: Discipline #125) "Dusty Rhodes" and Peter Gabriel (a correction) "If in Doubt, Roll", Thela Hun Ginjeet RoadShow (Road Photos) by Tony Levin Fripp/Gabriel, Fripp personality Reply to: Discipline #125 Robert Fripp autograph; my "brush with greatness" Re: Fripp is a ??? Adrian Belew NIN & Belew Re: Monty Python Subject: Bill's buds and Bob's snubs... USA - Second Edition FRIPP MYSTERY Buds and Snubs -- Correction [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 10:06:26 +0800 From: Dennis dot Montgomery at EBay dot Sun dot COM (Dennis Montgomery) Subject: Re: Crunchy Frog >memory fails me, Larks Tounges in Aspic, as well as several other Not Larks Tounges in Aspic, but some confection "garnished with larks vomit." KingCrimson*ELP*Marillion*Tull*TerracedGarden*GentleGiant*Minutemen**IQ*Fish** * _______ *Sepultura*Queen*Pentangle*Eloy*801*TinMachine*Zappa**BlackSabbatH U / \ a n | (. \ \ "Every day a little sadder, a little madder, someone get me w i \ >\ | a ladder" ...and who says Greg Lake writes awful lyrics? k v-- > |< | w e / >/ |Dennis Richards Montgomery:Software Engineer:Sun Microsystems i r | (. / / n s \_______/Candlemass*Focus*PFM*Dinosaur*Eno*SydBarrett*SexPistols*Esquire**d Zero**ThoughtIndustry***VanDerGraaf*SadLovers&Giants*Doors*Genesis**KateBush** [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 12:55:50 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Davis Subject: The naming of Larks' Tongues in Aspic Re: the recent discussion about where Larks' Tongues in Aspic got it's name, I recall reading an interview with someone in the band many moons ago where this was explained. The band had just finished either recording or rehearsing the piece, and one of the bandmembers said (paraphrasing here) "What are we going to call it?" Jamie Muir quickly said "Larks' Tongues in Aspic, of course". Sadly, I do not remember where I read this, but I definitely read it somewhere. Perhaps in the "Young Person's Guide" booklet? Bill Davis [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 11:02:27 PST From: "John Relph" Subject: Re: The Deep Mystery of SARTORI Revealed. Bill Forth writes: > >Grasshopper: "Sartori" is just a typo of satori. Yeah, did you see the "Kung Fu meets the Three Stooges" commercial during the Super Bowl? (We watched the game so we could tape the ads.) I was really hoping it was wordplay on "satori" and "sartorial splendour": a well-dressed man in Tangier reaching nirvana. I will continue to believe it as well. The subconscious works in mysterious ways. -- John [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 11:18:15 PST From: "John Relph" Subject: Re: Discipline #125 Michael A. Hall writes: > >In a related story, Is anyone reading this familiar with an early 80s punk >band called the Minutemen? Yes, quite a good band, much better than fIREHOSE, the band that was formed after D. Boon, lead singer and guitarist for MINUTEMEN, was killed in an auto accident. Pick up their albums _Double Nickels on the Dime_ and _Three Way Tie (for Last)_. Excellent. Poetry, punk, acoustic, soulful, you name it. > they at least share with the likes of Primus a Crimson-influenced >sound. I disagree. But I do think their sound is fresh and real. Christopher M Savage writes: > >I attended an Adrian Belew concert ("Absolutely Unplugged") last fall and >he assured the crowd that, indeed, there WILL be a new album and tour with >Crimson this summer. Did anybody pick up _The Acoustic Adrian Belew_? He's got a couple good tracks including an acoustic version of, what is it, "Matte Kudasai"? Decent material. r dot dittmeier at genie dot geis dot com writes: > >"Lizard" is actually the album with the "(I think)" notation; "Cirkus" is >one of the songs. The song with Jon Anderson is "Prince Rupert Awakes". I >agree that "Islands" is definitely much the better of the two albums, >although "Lizard" has (IMHO) the best cover art of any Crimson album. But >gee whiz, it almost seems as if Fripp was trying to alienate people with >it. I think _Lizard_ is much better than _Islands_. Although it does get a bit weird at times. Very jazzy. But Robert's acoustic playing is wonderful on "Cirkus", and "Indoor Games" and "Happy Family" are great pop songs, albeit twisted (of course). I can do without "Lady of the Making Water" but the remainder of the album is pretty good. Perhaps Mr Fripp does not like this album because it is pretty wild. Too much freedom means lack of framework? Speculation only. -- John [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 17:58:38 PST From: charly at hal dot com (Charly Rhoades) Subject: Cheerful Larks' Tongues (Re: Discipline #125) > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 11:19:22 GMT > From: Tony Brown > Subject: Crunchy Frog > > Hello all > > I've always assumed that 'Larks Tounges in Aspic' was derived from the > Monty Python sketch about the dodgy confectionary firm. Said firm had a box > of chocolates whose centres included Crunchy Frog ("lightly killed baby > frog"), Spring Surprise ("pop the chocolate in your mouth and two > spring-loaded steel bolts pierce your cheeks"), and, unless my (and others) > memory fails me, Larks Tounges in Aspic, as well as several other > unpleasantries. But I could bewrong. As far as the reference to the M. Python sketch goes, your details are a bit wrong. The exact phrase was "lark's vomit," which was a key ingredient to the Ram's Bladder Cup. Now I can't comment on what role this sketch might have played in the naming of Lark's Tongue.... >From the Python ftp archive, the following excerpt was taken from transcriptions of two of their live performances of the "Crunchy Frog Sketch": Q: Ram's Bladder Cup. Now what sort of confectionery is that?!? A: Oh, we use only the finest juicy chucks of fresh Cornish Ram's bladder, emptied, steamed, flavoured with sesame seeds, whipped into a fondue, and granished with lark's vomit. Q: LARK'S VOMIT?!?!?! A: Correct. Q: It doesn't say anything here about lark's vomit! A: Ah, it does, at the bottom of the label, after "monosodium glutamate." Q: I hardly think that's good enough! I think it'd be more appropriate if the box bore a great red label: "WARNING LARK'S VOMIT!!!" A: Our sales would plummet! Charly Rhoades This message provided for HaL Computer Systems informational purposes only charly at hal dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 12:51:16 -0700 From: David Ewing Subject: "Dusty Rhodes" and Peter Gabriel (a correction) (Michael E. Crawford) wrote: >> Way back in nineteen & seventy-something, peter gabriel toured to promote >> his first album after leaving Genesis. I saw the show in Dallas. Larry Fast >> had a bank of synthesizers next to the now forgotten drummer, Robert Fripp >> sat just offstage on a folding chair facing the band, & was introduced as >> "Dusty Roads" [...] Dave Lane then wrote: > Wasn't that the tour for the second album "peter gabriel", not the first > album "peter gabriel"? I taped a concert off the radio circa '78 that > featured stuff from the first two albums, and had Fripp, from offstage, and > unannounced, play on "White Shadow". Michael was correct. This was Gabriel's first solo tour of the U.S., occurring after his first album was released but before the second (if my memory serves me well, it was the spring of 1977). The radio broadcast was from the a show at the Roxy in Hollywood (I was lucky enough to be there). Gabriel did play some tunes that ended up (in slighty different form) on the second album. He opened with "On the Air" (although it was slightly different). He also played a song in which his voice was electronically doubled, singing a harmony several octaves higher than his own voice. He referred to the "voice" as a Martian or a spaceman. This song, also altered, appeared on the second album as "Indigo". I went to this show not knowing who was in the band, but hoping that Fripp would be present. My friends knew, but didn't tell me. I remember waiting in line outside the Roxy for several hours (it's a general admission club), and all of sudden hearing the sound check with an unmistakable soaring Fripp solo! Gabriel's second tour of the U.S. was in the fall of 1978, after the second album was released. I saw this show at the California Theatre in San Diego. I remember Gabriel introducing "Exposure" by apologizing that his friend, Mr. Fripp, couldn't make this tour, but that he had him on tape. They then played the song, accompanied by Fripp's part from the album on tape. Hope this cleared it up, Dave *************************************************************************** David A. Ewing Avalanche Development Company david at avalanche dot com Boulder, Colorado *************************************************************************** [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 19 Feb 94 15:21:22 -0500 From: jneumann at mcs dot kent dot edu (John Neumann) Subject: "If in Doubt, Roll", Thela Hun Ginjeet Sorry, I looked all through my copy of Bruford's book and can't find an ISBN #. However, I can provide this information: Modern Drummer Publications, Inc. 870 Pompton Avenue Cedar Grove NJ 07009 distributed by: Hal Leonard Publishing Corporation 8112 West Bluemound Road, Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53213 I believe the publisher's number for the book is HL06630298, as it begins with "HL" and there is no explanation for it being on the back cover. contains: Heart of the Sunrise Fracture Beelzebub In the Dead of Night/Presto Vivace Alaska/Time to Kill Hell's Bells One of a Kind, Part II Fainting in Coils The Sliding Floor Discipline (not whole song, just the basic 17/8 riff for drums and bass) Frame by Frame Industry Flags Infradig Impromptu, Too! The Drum Also Waltzes Split Seconds plus interesting commentary and exercises from Bill. It was $12.95 US when I got it at my local music store in Kent, Ohio. By the way, if you've never heard the first UK album, "UK", I highly recommend it, and I strongly advise NOT getting "Danger Money" (I listened to it "exactly once", as a mathematician might say). "UK" has a lot of jazzy harmonies yet rocks out. Nice flanged rototoms, too. I wanted to relate a story about Lark's Tongue's title. I was visiting a non-Crimson fan friend while carrying a newly-bought copy of "3 of a PP" with me. He saw the title "Lark's Tongue's..." and commented that it sounded very Middle Eastern, that perhaps that's an ethnic food. Maybe Muir felt that the music had a Middle-Eastern quality when he gave the album its name. "It sounds like lark's tongues in aspic, of course!". Actually, I think both of these things separately are considered delicacies. On the subject of anagrams and KC's music, I heard somewhere that "Thela Hun Ginjeet" is an anagram of "Heat in the Jungle". Try it, it works! I found that out long after asking my Indian friends if it meant anything in Hindi or Bengali. Now let's figure out what that other lyric, wait a minute, it's not in the archive, the one that sounds like "wah-tah rah-may" is. Perhaps the choice of an anagram for a title is symbolic of the "mixed-up" feel of the music. Was that Belew's idea or Fripp's? Belew seems to have very keen sense of wordplay and musical symbolism. It's funny that both "Indiscipline" and "Thela Hun Ginjeet" have self-referential lyrics. Note that the structure of "Two Hands" is palindromic to a great degree, which could represent the symmetry of two hands coming together. (What is the sound of a one-hand clap?). And I noticed that the drum pattern of "Dig Me", if played on one's stomach while reciting the lyrics, is strangely reminiscent of bongos played by Beat poets. Very appropriate, but perhaps just a coincidence. Maybe we should ask Bruford about that one. John Neumann Next week: Comparison and contrast of themes of anger and alienation in "Starless and Bible Black" and Howard Stern's "Private Parts". Just kidding. Bababooey. "These are words with a D this time!" [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 19 Feb 94 20:25:51 PST From: Paul Sherrill Subject: RoadShow (Road Photos) by Tony Levin Text item: Text_1 terry kroetsch f writes > 6/ Q: How do I get a copy of Levin's Roadshow book - I'll do anything. I can't remember if it's called Roadshow or Road Photos. I'm assuming that you are talking about his book of photos from various tours. Do others have this book? I have it and don't think I'll part with it soon(although I've been known to lapse into the finer points of capatilism (sp) at times). It's an excellent collection of photos, with a majority of them coming from Gabriel and Crimson tours. Even has a shot of Gabriel from a crazed San Jose concert where I can see a bunch of my buds who were at the front of the stage. It comes highly recommended. On a different note, I just recently got on this list and even more recently entered the digital age (read "bought a CD player"). My wife bought the Compact King Crimson. Are all the tracks on this remastered? What's the whole story behind this disc? If this has already been covered could someone point me to the source. paul [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: donstjohn at aol dot com Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 02:16:00 EST Subject: Fripp/Gabriel, Fripp personality <> This may have been done as a guest appearance on the 2nd tour, or may have predated the 2nd PG album, which Fripp produced. But his stint as "Dusty Rhodes" was on PG's first solo tour in 1977; the guitarist for the 2nd album tour in 1978 was Sid McGinnis, now the guitarist in the house band on David Letterman....that's quite an album, by the way; I wish Gabriel would restore a few tunes to his set. The whole Fripp "trilogy" of Exposure, PG 2nd and Daryl Hall's Sacred Songs makes for some challenging listening, IMO. Couldn't pass up the opportunity to address the whole "Fripp as asshole" question. I think perhaps a bit much is being made of people's singular experiences of the man; he's obviously a quite complex personality who has a great deal of room at either end of his emotional and social makeup. Moreover, he clearly has something of a disdain for most of the normal trappings of the rock industry (and having spent a bit of time today in a hotel lobby at the Gavin Report's industry convention, I can't blame him), and I'd think giving autographs is part of that. What real connection can be made in such an encounter? He's very pointed about the meaning of what he does and how he conducts himself, as is clear from Tamm's book, and this kinda doesn't fit what I know of him. Observe his attempt to blend into life in NYC for a couple of years; that's an overt attempt to avoid the trappings of "rock stardom." Albeit he's not above the occasional head game, it seems that those that get a chance to experience some "quality time" with him come off impressed. That says something, I think. Unfortunately, the fact that he plays fairly mindbending rock guitar consigns him to situations he doesn't prefer, and that you or I probably wouldn't either. I wouldn't take that personally. There's my $.02, American. Great list, and I look forward to more of it and the upcoming tour. BTW, Trey Gunn is bitchin'. Cheers, Don donstjohn at aol dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 02:34:50 est From: Sheeran_F at ODG dot ceo dot dg dot com Subject: Reply to: Discipline #125 RE: Larks' Tongues in Aspic. Sorry to burst your bubble... its just food. Its exactly what it sounds like: little bird tongues in tomato jello. Its a very extreme delicacy. I wouldn't be suprised if Muir just blurted it out as an album title, but his creativity was in thinking to attach this title to this album, not in connecting the words larks-tongues-in-aspic themselves. RE: Guitar lessons in Japan: I've heard sounds on this mailing list that Fripp and/or his disciples are giving a course on their approach to music in Japan in August or so. I'd like to participate. I'm curious as to how students are selected, too. Do all interested parties tend to get in, or is it a) applicants accepted till full, b) most interesting applicants get in, c) random, or d) what? Is the format just a one day thing, or what? Would I pick up much I haven't from this mailing list? Most importantly, WHO do I CONTACT?! :-) RE: Signatures. There isn't any point to getting a signature or trading greetings with a Fripp, I don't think. It won't improve his art or your ability to percieve it. He knows you love his music - you show up at the gigs and rave about them on this list :-), so you don't need to thank him personally either... If you get a chance to interact with them, treat these guys like people. Just a thought. FS Preceeding Message: ***** ___e_>_E_e___a_A_____> ***** From: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk:dg-smtp Date: ## 02/18/94 14:34 ## See document for message. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: mikelbiko at aol dot com Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 05:35:23 EST Subject: Robert Fripp autograph; my "brush with greatness" This is my first post to the list; great stuff! Not the usuall gibber-gabber I find on some of the other prog lists. Found some very illuminating and informed perspectives in issue #125. Thought you all might like to know that on the Marillion/ Fish list (Freaks at bnf dot com) a recent poll revealed that the favorite non-Marillion song by subscribers was "Starless" by KC - and I thought I would be the only one to pick that tune! I was astounded! On a related note, the Fripp book by Eric Tamm includes a comment by the author on "Starless", relating how he was moved to tears by the utter perfection of the piece. I cannot agree enough! "Red" has to be (IMHO) the greatest piece of "shredder prog" ever recorded. I can only hope the new band will be able to rekindle the power that the "Red" period ensemble was able to muster. But then, I guess that would be akin to lightening striking twice in the same place. Nonetheless, hope springs eternal.... Anyway, my main reason for posting was to relate my story about asking Robert for an autograph. KC performed their first ever Seattle show as part of the Discipline tour. The played a tiny hall called The Showbox (and played "Red" in their set, one of my all-time concert memories) and after the show, I saw Robert at the edge of the "backstage" area. He was apparently talking to a student of his, and after they had concluded their conversation, I meekly asked "Mr. Fripp" if he would mind signing an autograph for me. He politely responded "I'm sorry, but I've just signed a piece of my work" (I assume he meant the performance) and turned away. I was very dissapointed, until a friends' husband found me standing amid the crowd. He was a local rep for W.E.A. (Warner/Elektra/Atlantic) and he presented me with a fully autographed promo copy of "Discipline" that he had gotten from the band, as well as some other autographed goodies. After pulling me back down to the ground, he escorted me backstage, and introduced me to Tony and Adrian, who I chatted with for 10-15 minutes. Bill and Robert were nowhere to be seen. I have a different perspective on Bruford's absence from the new KC line-up: I had read that Robert is not working with Bruford because Bill is still handled by E.G. Management, and until that is changed, Robert will be unable to work professionally with him - I assume we are all aware of Fripp's problems with E.G. Is this perhaps the reason for Bill's non-presence in the new project, or does someone know for sure that there are other (more personal) disagreements between the two? That's about it for now; sorry about the long post. I also have a 40 page list of prog audio/video (many Hi-Fi stereo) shows to TRADE (I do not sell! Trades only!) Send a 59 cent self-addressed stamped envelope for a copy. I cannot send via E-mail, so please don't ask. 59 cent SASE to: Mikel Orsborn 317 SW 112th St. #314 Seattle WA 98146 U.S.A. mikelbiko at aol dot com "You get used to it...." Marillion [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: phv at equalizer dot cray dot com (Paolo Valladolid) Subject: Re: Fripp is a ??? Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 17:13:38 PST The "Fripp is an asshole" line was merely a quote from Musician magazine in the Letters to the Editor section. I just thought it was somewhat relevant to the recent discussion, considering that Fripp himself would follow up with a letter saying that he *agreed* with the original letter writer. This does not reflect my opinion of the man; after all, I've never met him. Fripp has in the past responded to reader's letters about him in Guitar Player and Musician. It would be interesting to see Fripp respond to some of the comments that have been made about him here, although its not really necessary for him to do so, as far as I'm concerned. A Guitar Player reader submitted a letter berating Fripp for one of his Guitar Player columns, suggesting among other things, that perhaps Fripp had hit his head on the door too many times. Fripp personally followed up with a long(!) letter berating the berater, but not without a little humor thrown in (like the admission to having struck his head by accident a few times against the low ceiling at a Guitar Craft seminar somewhere in Europe). Is Mr.Fripp planning to get Internet access? This seems to be a trend that applies to "pro" musicians as well as the general populace. I've seen Billy Idol fighting flame wars against his detractors in alt.cyberpunk. I've been told by Jeff (Preston) that Mr. and Mrs. Holdsworth are looking for an Internet provider for their area (they live not too far away from me, in Vista, California). Someone named "Adrian Belew" posted to alt.music.progressive that while "Sartori in Tangiers" was a "good jam", he preferred the _Discipline_ album to _Beat_. Eno reportedly has an Internet account. "Adrian Belew" may have been the real item; if memory serves, he was posting from Clark's BBS, which reportedly is somewhere in Illinois. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. -- Paolo Valladolid phv at equalizer dot cray dot com Cray Research Superservers, Inc. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: a906113 at tiuk dot ti dot com Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 16:21:00 GMT Subject: Adrian Belew Please excuse a slight Crimson/Fripp digression, but there've been a few postings recently which have alluded to an acoustic Adrian Belew release. Does anyone out there know if this is available in the UK? I'm also interested in any of his other solo material. I've currently got: Lone Rhino, Mr. Music Head, Young Lions, Inner Revolution, by Adrian Belew, and The Bears and Rise and Shine by the Bears. I know of at least one album I don't have (Twang Bar King), and I've only got Lone Rhino on vinyl. Are either of these out on CD? Are there any others? Regards, Iain. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:43:51 -0600 (CST) From: 26H3KESSLERR at vms dot csd dot mu dot edu Subject: NIN & Belew In the March '94 issue of "Musician" magazine there is an interview with Trent from Nine Inch Nails. He talks a bit about his use of Adrian Belew on the upcoming NIN release (Mar. 1 or so). It sounds as if he used the Rhino King's talents quite extensively throughout the album, in fact it seems as if it is the first time he used any guitarist to any great degree. Just thought I'd let you know. What I also noticed is how he described Belew as something like, "Totally cool, no attitude," which are my sentiments exactly, having the limited exposure to his personality that I have. BK [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: economy at mcs dot com (Jeff Economy) Subject: Re: Monty Python Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:40:28 -0600 (CST) Although "Lark's Tongues In Aspic" isn't one of the treats in the "Whizzo Quality Assortment", one suspects it could have been as Fripp later demonstrated his Python proclivities on "Haaden Two" from EXPOSURE. If you play a portion of it backwards, you can clearly hear Graham Chapman pronounce "One thing is for sure, a sheep is not a creature of the air" (from the "Flying Sheep" sketch)! --Jeff [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Roy SeGuine Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 11:09:00 -0500 Subject: Subject: Bill's buds and Bob's snubs... CH> I've interviewed BB at least three times, been CH> around him on other social occasions--he's CH> probably (other than Holdsworth) the most humble CH> of people who's ever been in a major (not to CH> mention nearly all major) British prog-bands. CH> He's one of those rare musicians who personifies CH> a "perfect English" gentlemen--and I've witnessed CH> his ill-temper upon occasion Be that as it may, I got a first hand impression of the Bru from one of his roadies as I helped him take Bill's drum kit apart after a show. He said on stage you see the Bruford smile and the childlike joy as he plays, but backstage he has quite the opposite demeanor if even one of his triangles was not strung taut enough for the set. Just one man's rumor. --- Roy SeGuine Cyberspace Architect *Likes to comb his hair with a dipper ride* [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 01:04:05 -0700 From: dalton at isidis dot colorado dot edu (lizard man) Subject: USA - Second Edition Not the definitive edition, but the SECOND Edition? What, new overdubs? A different concert/set of concerts entirely? As long as it has the track ASBURY PARK, i'll be happy. Yes, I know it's on Frame By Frame; but i have difficulty buying a boxed set containing mostly material i already own, just to get one disc of the Good Stuff. I don't have the Eno box set either, although i've wanted a copy of R.A.F. for ten years now. Anybody got good reasons why i should buy EITHER box, in addition to the two songs mentioned above? --lizard man [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 21:58:52 CST From: "REX FERMIER" Organization: From IBBS#1 (Chicago) - @ibbs1.com Subject: FRIPP MYSTERY Lark's Tongues in Aspic Finally, with the help of a shareware Anagram program I have been able to decode the secret message from Robert Fripp hidden in the anagram of Lark's Tongues in Aspic. I entered the album title in the program and set it to work. Literally hundreds of combinations were reviewed. These were deemed to false messages intended to throw off the casual fan. Some of these messages are: Utopia's Snack Lingers Utopia's Clank Singers Utopian Slacks Reign Slacker Utopians Sing Utopians Risk Glances Utopia's King Car Lens Carp Soaking Utensils One Slacking Upstairs Ink Congeals Upstairs Sirloin Snack Upstage Anal Sockets Uprising King Repasts Unsocial I actually LIKE Carp Soaking Utensils! BUT, the real hidden message is..... (pause for effect) )))----> UNCEASING SKI PATROLS ! <----((( Yessirebob! The deep cosmic meaning is... is.... Oh, who cares! I hope you think it was worth the wait! Rex Fermier -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + From IBBS#1 Metro Chicago + + ADDRESS REPLIES TO ID0510 at IBBS1 dot COM (REX FERMIER) + +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: C_HOARD%BAX dot compuserve dot com at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Date: 23 Feb 94 18:16:41 EST Subject: Buds and Snubs -- Correction Re #125: Bill's buds and Bob's snubs... I noticed when Toby (at long last) published 125, that my posting had been abbreviated somehow--either due to a botched upload or frazzled daemon, no doubt. Anyway, lest some of begin to think I've catfood for brains, I'll try to reconstruct from memory my comments about Bill Bruford--I'm on a plane between Hartford and Chicago at the moment--watching its shadow glide accross the icy waters of Lake Ontario... and I don't have the original file--so here goes: I find it unbelievable some of you are concerned or raising questions about Bill Bruford having friends... I've interviewed BB three times, been around him on other social occasions--he's probably (other than Holdsworth) the most humble of people who's ever been in a major (not to mention nearly all major) British prog-bands. He's one of those rare musicians who personifies a "perfect English" gentlemen--and I've witnessed his ill-temper upon occasion--and yet this glowing description of his personality still holds true. He generally loves mingling with his fans--takes the time to do so--and probably has more who counted him as a true friend than he knows what to do with. The instances I can remember BB pissed off or annoyed were during his (1979?) tour (One of A Kind). He was still somewhat bitter about being fired (along with AH) from UK by Wetton and Jobson; Jobson indeed confirmed this in another of my interviews. He was also annoyed by the fact that AH had left Bruford suddenly-- as AH always seemed to do in those days. I remember he railed on a bit about Wetton and Jobson wanting to make UK "a cross between ELP and Gloria Gaynor." Anyway--the first UK--is my nomination for best experiment by Crimsies sans Fripp, although Holdsworth said he was already looking for an out prior to being fired. I heard the whole tale from everybody in that band but Wetton on different occasions, and would have to say say Jobson and Wetton were the imperious ponces in this case; sorry if anybody out there really liked "Danger Money." Wetton must have worked too long with Fripp: Bruford lamented the fact that they insisted that AH--who'd played primarily fusion and jazz up to that point--to play the exact same solo every night! That was like a crime against nature to BB--and it was, indeed. I think I mentioned before that BB complained about Fripp "boxing" him out of any input regarding the Crimson box sets. I side with BB--he had co-composer and performance credits on much of the live material on both "Frame" and "Deceiver." So in the previous posting when Fripp was quoted as responding "Fripp is an asshole," I'd have to agree with him, at least part of the time. "Deceiver" is my favorite Crimson release (excluding "Court"), and is well worth the $54-57 price tag, when it can be found. It was egregious that BB had no written contribution to the booklet (otherwise OUTSTANDING)-- and Cross and Wetton did! It was interesting that Fripp was quoted as stating that he and Bruford had "musical" differences in Disc. 125. I would think BB would disagree with that statement strongly--musically--BB's and RF's compatability has been one of the most productive and evolving musical partnerships in progressive music. I think from BB's point of view, caring as much about the music as BB does, Fripp shifts from democratic facillitator to dictator--and disbands his best groups repeatedly just as they are poised for long-term commercial viability to immerse himself in self- examination and spiritual hiatuses. "Personal" differences would have been a more honest answer from RF to this question. --Hoardman [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] To join this mailing list or have your thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to Toby Howard at the following address: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk The Discipline archives are available on ftp.uwp.edu, in /pub/music/lists/discipline. The views expressed in Discipline are those of the individual authors only.