Elephant Talk #1249 (as text)

3 January 2007

Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2006 0900
From: Toby Howard
Subject: Happy New Year

Happy New Year to all!

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Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 10:31:42 -0600
From: Jeff B <ET06644 at elephant-talk dot com>
Subject: Seeking CLUB16 and CLUB19

Hello King Crimson fans,

If anyone out there has a spare copy of either of the the two following CD titles that they'd like to sell, please contact me as I am interested in purchasing them.

Both are from the King Crimson Collectors' Club, but are now unavailable.

You can contact me at jeff012 at centurytel dot net


Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:09:47 -0500
From: Chris Van Valen <ET00469 at elephant-talk dot com>
Subject: Re: Gatefold covers

The Japanese mini-LP cover of TCoL is a gatefold. TPTB, Elektrik and Level Five are not.

Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:14:20 -0200
From: Pedro Moreno <ET02582 at elephant-talk dot com>
Subject: Photograph, art, and discipline

Hi! This is my very first post to the ET newsletter, so greetings to you all!

About the subject of Fripp-photograph,

If Fripp gets photographed by people he hired to do so, who other than himself is responsible for his actions? Such a discussion could only be carried by demons, wishing secretly to somehow acquire a novelty they do not understand. A man's choice is his, and touching that would be touching his freedom.

However, when a member of the audience takes a picture of Robert, his reaction is not quite so accepting; as already mentioned, he is liable to simply walk offstage as an answer. Yes. So what?

Obviously, he is interacting, and not being cut away from stage, but leaving -- making a choice. Folks, there's the basic difference here; Robert has already agreed to get photographed by the pros, so it's happening of his accord, in a professional relationship. You are, most likely, not his friend or his buddy. You appreciate his art. He appreciates that. That's about it.

So, when the moment is there, which you worked for and paid with money, what is the moment about? To think you will be there and carefully listen to King Crimson only to become an emptiness where KC echoes indefinitely would be silly. You are not a simple thing, no one is, and anyone can appreciate art. So you will articulate what you get from the stage. Very good. That's your bit, and it can be infinitely savoured. At that crucial moment, what the audience gets transforms it, as it reacts to the music. And then, inevitably, this reaction from the audience; this transformation, which can be feeble, temporary, fantastic...; it reaches the source of the music. And there, it is likewise tasted by those people, who also inevitably react and are transformed. And thus the cycle works, and there can be no question it does. But heed!

They are there to speak, you are there to listen. That's been agreed upon prior to your arrival at the moment. But no agreement about photographs. Not personally, at least, since it is known that he doesn't welcome photographs. So I guess very few people actually take pictures not knowing he doesn't like it.

Robert Fripp is sending a message when he walks offstage. To each his own. You can do whatever you want. But you have to see the reactions to your actions, and if you want them too.

And if you can't understand another person's choice, don't meddle. And if you can, don't meddle either. You have a life of your own to make all the choices you want.

So, basically, it's about not forgetting who you are and where you are. And about having respect and a wish to collaborate.

Truthfully yours,
Pedro Moreno

Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 08:12:48 +0200
From: jarmo.muukka <ET00848 at elephant-talk dot com>
Subject: Re: Fripp photos and ProjeKct 2


I do not think that those photos of Mr. Fripp on Live Groove have been taken by a flash photographer. See the shadows on his face, for example. Professional photographer has tools that can be used without a flash. I am just an amateur (photography is just a hobby), but I have such tools and I know from personal experience that concert photos without a flash are much better than photos with flash. Just use correct aperture, shutter speed and ISO level. For example f/2.8, 1/200 and ISO 800 gives good results, but this depends on ambient light of course.


Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 03:59:55 -0600
From: Paul Hubers <ET04881 at elephant-talk dot com>
Subject: Frippertronics on YouTube

This is 1979 appearance of Fripp on The Midnight Special TV program playing Frippertronics posted on YouTube. http://youtube.com/watch?v=klnog_IKzTM

I also see that The Midnight Special is being released on DVD and I'm looking forward to getting a copy of KC's appearance playing Easy Money and Larks' Tongues.

Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:09:48 -0500
From: Jim Lange <ET04737 at elephant-talk dot com>
Subject: The Indiscipline of Indiscipline

It seems to me that AB was referring to a letter (or phone call) that his wife sent him regarding the recent completion of a sculpture. Could be wrong on the exact point, but nonsense fun or not, the songs seems to speak about the creative act.

I remember the fun AB had, back in the 80's, behind the drum set: "Playing little games...". Toying with the audience, delaying the return of the full force of the ensemble. What a kick!

But I repeat myself when under stress....

Jim Lange

Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:43:01 -0500
From: drg55 <ET05452 at elephant-talk dot com>
Subject: Pictures of an Indian City

Vince was filling in for Shawn Bishop on Behind the lines, DLBN, and played "Pictures of an Indian city" - a cover of the "Wake of Poseidon" track with sounds like sitars, I found it very amusing and ordered the cd "Bruised Romantic Glee Club" by Jakko Jakoszyk, which also contains a cover of "Islands", one of my all time KC favourites.


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