Elephant Talk #1247 (as text)

21 November 2006

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:31:19 +0000
From: jdanna03 at comcast dot net
Subject: Origin of the name King Crimson

I have noticed that the name King Crimson has been mentioned (by Peter Sinfield and Robert Fripp) as referring to Beelzebub--Lord of the Flies. Specifically, does the name refer to the psychotropic mushroom Amanita muscaria, the fly agaric, which has long been associated with Beelzebub? See reference below:

The fly-agaric seems to have been sacred to Beelzebub ("Lord of the Flies") alias Atabyrius, a Hittite god who had an oracle on Tabor. The fact is that the fly-agaric, which has recently been identified by R. Gordon Wasson with the Indian ambrosia called Soma, is highly hallucinogenic. It has two varieties, one with birch as its host-tree, the other which uses the pine. Its juice when taken with wine or beer -- as in Dionysus's ancient Feast of Ambrosia -- is said to induce reckless courage, sexual lust and super-human energy.

This mushroom itself is crimson (how else would the king be crimson) and has a long history of religious usage. Does this also coincide with the religious sound of the title song within the first King Crimson album?

Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:41:38 -0500
From: "Antonacopoulos, Glenn" <glenn dot antonacopoulos at ngc dot com>
Subject: Discipline symbol


I thank you very much for providing the FAQ to those of us who love King Crimson.

I see that the "mark" on the cover of Discipline is copywrighted by the artist (and untitled?), maybe this had something to do with the difiuclty in finding the album on CD, I don't know. And I see people have tried to make sense of Adrian Belew lyrics that I always thought were just wonderful nonsense.

So I always thought that the lyrics to "Indiscipline" were just meant to be funny. But certain people always wanted to know what he is talking about, and point to the fact that Belew looks at his guitar during the song. But a friend of mine once insisted that he had figured it out - the lyrics refer to the "mark" on the cover of the album, because no matter how you break it down, it remains consistent.

Food for thought, and I am cc'ing my friend.


Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:30:59 -0200
From: "Sylvio Passos - GMail" <sylviopassos at gmail dot com>
Subject: King Crimson BRASIL


See http://www.kingcrimson.com.br


Sylvio Passos
Caixa Postal 12.106 - Ag. Santana
Sao Paulo - SP - CEP: 02013-970 - BRASIL
tel/fax (11) 6948 2983
celular  (11) 8304 4568
SITE 1: http://www.raulrockclub.com.br
SITE 2: http://groups.msn.com/KomunaRaulseixistika
SITE 3: http://www.raulrockclub.com.br/expo
SITE 4: http://sylviopassos.multiply.com

Veja o video  "Meu Amigo Raul" acessando o link abaixo.


Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:22:17 -0400
From: drg55 at netscape dot net
Subject: Situation Vacant internet DJ

I has now been just over a year since I first tuned into Prog'opolis with Vince and Daisy on thedividingline.com, the best damn King Crimson show on the planet (ok it was the only one).

Sadly the show runs out of steam and Vince and Daisy are calling a halt, next Saturday.

I have most King Crimson cds, so there wasn't much to learn there, yet in the past year I have gained a far better personal appreciation of the many fine musicians who at one time played with KC. Is there a better band than this? I think not.

Vince, a musician himself, was professional as any paid DJ in putting together the play list, and Daisy maintained the support of the listeners who came into chat during the show.

Away from the twisted marketing driven commercial stations, the internet is one place good music can reign supreme. Hopefully Prog'opolis has helped spread the word about King Crimson to another generation. If anyone would like to take up the mantle of a Crimson focused program, contact Shawn Bishop at the Dividing Line Broadcast Network.

Davo http://www.myspace.com/davo4prog

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:32:37 +0000
From: progopolis <ET06244 at elephant-talk dot com>
Subject: Prog'opolis: The Final Chapter

Excerpt from last week's TV Guide:

DLBN: "Prog'opolis: The Final Chapter" (2006) *** Starring: Vince Font, Daisy Jane Font Zombies created by a chemical fire attack a couple celebrating the final broadcast of their popular internet radio show. Low-budget Halloween frightfest co-stars Madeline Kahn, Roy Orbison, Adrian Belew, Shawn Bishop. {Comedy/Horror/Musical, 301mins)

REPLAY THIS SHOW: Show page: http://www.thedividingline.com/p Stream the show: http://www.thedividingline.com/parchive.pls Download the archive: http://www.thedividingline.com/archives/parchive.ogg

PROG'OPOLIS: The Final Broadcast (10.28.06)
Styx - The Grand Illusion (4.35)

King Crimson - Three Of A Perfect Pair (4.13)
Porcupine Tree - Blackest Eyes (4.23)
Radiohead - Fake Plastic Trees (4.50)
Yes - Siberian Khatru (8.53)

Tony Levin - Sabre Dance (5.07)
Adrian Belew - Welcome To Prog'opolis! (0.03)
Adrian Belew - Dinosaur (acoustic) 5.44)
Camel - Rhayader (3.01)
Camel - Rhayader Goes To Town (5.20)
Davo's Prog Taxi - Prog'opolis Lessons (0.08)
Crimson Jazz Trio - Red (5.59)

Variant - The Vince and Daisy Belews (5.56)
Erik from Variant - Prog'opolis Punker (0.08)
Variant - Carrin' Carrion (10.23)
Steve Hackett - Every Day (6.14)
Alistair Henry - The Momentary Dementia News (7.36)
Emerson, Lake & Palmer - From The Beginning (4.11)

Marillion - Ocean Cloud (17.58)
Brems from IZZ - Prog'opolis (0.11)
IZZ - The Bar Song (4.09)
Madeline Khan - I'm Tired (5.19)

Kino - Letting Go (5.25)
Peter Gabriel - Solsbury Hill (4.21)
Prog'opolis - The Spider Incident (1.03)
Anthony Phillips - Um And Aargh (4.53)
Genesis - Turn It On Again (3.46)

Gong - Expresso (5.58)
Kate Bush - Pi (6.09)
Headshear - Complex Nothing (4.33) REQUEST

Donny Who Loved Bowling - Eczema Bop (4.23)
Christopher Petkus - Licking Boots (2.56)
Donny Who Loved Bowling - Mother (3.13)
Joe Griffin - Year Of The Car Crash (5.56)
Donny Who Loved Bowling - In Heaven (2.17)

Steve Hackett - Spectral Mornings (6.33) REQUEST
U.K. - Rendezvous 6-02 (5.00)
Shawn Bishop - Goodbye V + D (2.48)
Genesis - The Lamia (6.57)

Marillion - Misplaced Childhood Redux (17.03)
Riverside - The Time I Was Daydreaming (4.52)
Vienna Teng - Transcontinental, 1:30AM (3.46)
Ozric Tentacles - Vedavox (2.51) REQUEST
Fractal - Friptomoogosity (live) (5.11)
Camel - Long Goodbyes (5.14)

Supertramp - Goodbye Stranger (5.48)

PROG. It does a body good.

Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 23:37:56 +1100
From: Sean Curtin <ET06756 at elephant-talk dot com>
Subject: Crimson music in the movie Children Of Men.

Hello there fellow ETers,

This may have already been mentioned(havn't read the posts for a few weeks now), but in case it hasn't, I just wanted to let you all know how awesome it was to hear "In The Court Of The Crimson King", in the recent movie release "Children Of Men". The peice fit so well and was that 20th Century Schizoid I heard in the background on one of the outcasts radio's?

A highly recommended movie for any ETer and made all the more splendid with this great classic peice getting played. The movie has a gritty feel and the ending would have fit well in an episode of Blakes 7, which by the way made it even better. The sound was spectacular with the effects actually mixed properly and not just a stack of bass where there shouldn't be(any one get sick and tired of seeing a movie at the cinema and when something minor like a glass breaks, there's a rediculously loud booming bass sound? It's totally dumb when they do that and ruins any hope of realism at all). At the end of the day it could just be the cinema I go to, but I assure you that if it can sound great in this cinema then it will be great with some of the other cinemas out there.

All the best and may neuro surgeons scream for more,

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:47:22 -0700
From: Christopher Heckman <ET06763 at elephant-talk dot com>
Subject: Windows Vista & Fripp

The following article appeared in Saturday's papers. [Feel free to edit for word wrapping.]

--- Christopher Heckman

18 months of work provides the tone for Windows Vista

Allison Linn
Associated Press
Nov. 11, 2006 12:00 AM

SEATTLE - Some musicians spend 18 months working on an album. At Microsoft Corp., it took that long to perfect just four seconds of sound.

Of course, this isn't just any four-second clip. It's the sound - a soft da-dum, da-dum, with a lush fade-out - that millions of computer users will hear every day, and perhaps thousands of times in total, when they turn on computers running Microsoft's forthcoming Windows Vista operating system.

To set the right tone - clean, simple, but with "some long-term legs," according to Microsoft's Steve Ball - the softwaremaker recruited musician Robert Fripp.

Fripp, best known for his work with the 1970s rock band King Crimson, recorded hours of his signature layered, guitar-driven sound for the project, under the close direction of Ball and others at Microsoft. Then, it was Ball's job to sort through those hours of live recordings to pull out just the right few seconds.

Fripp's involvement is not surprising. His occasional collaborator, Brian Eno, recorded sounds for Windows 95. Also, Ball, the Microsoft group program manager for Windows audio visual excellence has in the past been Fripp's student and business partner.

Ball, a self-proclaimed renaissance man who is an engineer and a musician, considered the work of about 10 musicians for the project. Some of those people were influential in the final four seconds as well.

Redmond-based Microsoft seriously debated several other sounds before settling on the final startup sound about three weeks ago. The rejects included a longer, more-lush clip and a quick, techno-sounding piece. While many people liked an upbeat ditty with a clapping rhythm, it was eventually rejected for sounding too much like a commercial. Ball said the hand-clapping also seemed like too "human" a sound when paired with the new graphic for Vista.

"There's nothing that's especially human about our new Windows animation," he said.

The short startup clip that was eventually chosen is meant to evoke the rhythm of the words "Win-dows Vis-ta!" and Ball hopes the sound will serve as a calling card for the operating system. It also consists of four chords: one for every color in the new Windows graphic that appears as the sound plays. It's no coincidence that it's also four seconds long.

There are 45 Vista sounds that Microsoft has spent the past year and a half perfecting, including the dings you hear when you get a new e-mail, receive an error message or log off your computer. Generally, these are more muted, less jarring variations of the prompts familiar to Windows XP users.

If it seems like overkill to go to all that trouble for a few seconds of sound, consider this: Microsoft estimates that the clips such as the e-mail alert will be played trillions of times in years to come. That's a lot of opportunity to annoy, offend - or, if the job is done right - please or appease computer users the world over.

One major concern was that the startup sound not grow grating after a time.

"You want a sound that people will love the first time they hear it, but it's a paradox to also say, Oh and by the way, we need people to love it the tenth, or the hundredth or the thousandth time they hear it,' " Ball said.

Mike Stok